[GoldHeart]

Predators are taking advantage of the system,they know all they have to do is put on a wig and say they're a woman and that's it.

I'm sure there was one having a tantrum about not being able to get into a women's only gym, why not just go to a gym in general??. Why does it have to be a 'women's only ' gym .

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Well it IS rare. The transphobes will be lapping up these rare occasions.

It’s appalling that this happened but let’s not ignore the underpinning train of thought from the transphobes who will use this like it happens a hundred times over everyday.

It's rare for trans people to kill themselves but that hasn't stopped certain people from using it as a justification for allowing male-bodied people to make women's refuges, specifically set up as a place for women to feel safe (note: not just to BE safe, to FEEL safe) demonstrably less safe for women.

So apparently it's OK to pretend that rare things are common, so long as it fits one's own agenda.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

By all means provide links to all these attacks

There have been numerous examples posted on here over the last few months and -- importantly -- that's WITHOUT the wide-scale acceptance of easy self-ID that's being actively pushed for in the name of trans rights. It's a clear indication of a safeguarding problem that could be a much larger problem IF these pieces of legislation are allowed to change, and yet whenever people complain or point that out they're branded transphobic and told to keep quiet. It's nothing short of gaslighting.

Originally Posted by Glenn.

People need to stop seeing all transpeople as predators ..

I suppose we should just do away with things like enhanced disclosure documents for people working with vulnerable people and children, then? "Because people need to stop seeing all adults as predators".

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I suppose we should just do away with things like enhanced disclosure documents for people working with vulnerable people and children, then? "Because people need to stop seeing all adults as predators".

That has been done away with already so certain boxes can be ticked in the workforce.

[parmnion]

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Canada
Evil Rapist

I always knew that the Canadians were evil.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Well women can be put on the register too no?

I would take a guess that you're right.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I suppose we should just do away with things like enhanced disclosure documents for people working with vulnerable people and children, then? "Because people need to stop seeing all adults as predators".

mic drop

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I would take a guess that you're right.

Glenn is the type of person ....when a shop is robbed and 5 bottle's of vodka and wine is stolen , he would then say ... "but what about all the other shops where they steal sweeties and bread" . Basically downplaying the alcohol robbery as other robberies happen ,so yeah mentality of ' crap happens' .

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Glenn is the type of person ....when a shop is robbed and 5 bottle's of vodka and wine is stolen , he would then say ... "but what about all the other shops where they steal sweeties and bread" . Basically downplaying the alcohol robbery as other robberies happen ,so yeah mentality of ' crap happens' .

What because I’m not buying into the hysteria that all trans people are predators? Get a grip.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

What because I’m not buying into the hysteria that all trans people are predators? Get a grip.

Again you're not listening but only twisting everyone's words on here.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Again you're not listening but only twisting everyone's words on here.

That makes zero sense. What are you even saying?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Again you're not listening but only twisting everyone's words on here.

He is gas lighting...he knows full well we are talking about men who pretend to be women in order to gain advantage, whether that be predatory, or an easier life in prison, or financial, its just easier to throw the word transphobe around rather than acknowledge reality

[Glenn.]

I’m talking about people using very rare occurrences to push an agenda.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I’m talking about people using very rare occurrences to push an agenda.

But in the process you choose to ignore the fact that just because something is "rare" doesn't mean that it should be swept aside when considering safeguarding concerns. Whether you mean it to or not, it simply comes across as not really giving a **** about women's safety in the name of "inclusivity".

[Soldier Boy]

Me crashing my car is "rare". In fact... I've driven it on thousands of journies. I drive it every day. I've NEVER crashed it and I've never had anyone crash into me ... that's how rare it is for me to crash my car.

Shall I stop wearing my seatbelt? I have a bad shoulder and sometimes the pressure from the seatbelt makes it hurt. Seems like I should just do away with the seatbelt. Evidence suggests it's unnecessary?

[Cherie]

Its like saying murder is rare in some sleepy village somewhere, in fact its been the first murder in 100s of years so lets just ignore it as its not likely to happen again Men in womens prisons in Scotland is not rare...we just didn't hear about it until Isla whats his name,

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Its like saying murder is rare in some sleepy village somewhere, in fact its been the first murder in 100s of years so lets just ignore it as its not likely to happen again Men in womens prisons in Scotland is not rare...we just didn't hear about it until Isla whats his name,

Isla Man?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

But in the process you choose to ignore the fact that just because something is "rare" doesn't mean that it should be swept aside when considering safeguarding concerns. Whether you mean it to or not, it simply comes across as not really giving a **** about women's safety in the name of "inclusivity".

By all means show me where I said it should be swept aside

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

By all means show me where I said it should be swept aside

I didn't say you said it should be swept aside - I said you do sweep it aside. You minimise it and brand it not important, by constantly responding with little more than "it's rare". But that defeats the entire premise of the thing you're arguing for; trans people wanting the use of women's shelters, toilets and changing areas is also relatively rare.

[Vanessa]

I don't believe that all trans people are predators.
There are bad people everywhere.
In this case it was a women's refuge, it should be women only.
Otherwise it's not safe.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't believe that all trans people are predators.
There are bad people everywhere.
In this case it was a women's refuge, it should be women only.
Otherwise it's not safe.

Some people would argue that transwomen are women, so should be in their shelters :eyeroll:

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

Isla Man?

[LeatherTrumpet]

JK Rowling opened a Woman only rape crisis center late last year in Edinburgh.

the existing Rape crisis center was being run by a biological male trans person called Mridul Wadhwa....



On the right

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Some people would argue that transwomen are women, so should be in their shelters :eyeroll:

They should open a shelter for trans women, as that would solve the issue. It's just too much of a risk to say yes to every 'trans woman ' into a women's only shelter.