[Niamh.]

The absolute nerve of them to even have brought this case against them in the first place!

A TRANSGENDER rights organisation has lost its case to have the controversial LGB alliance stripped of its charitable status - in what is thought to be the first case of its kind in the UK.

The group, Mermaids, launched the appeal in June 2021 arguing that LGB alliance "shouldn't be recognised as a charity because it was focused on hostile anti-trans activism and not (as it claimed) on the promotion of lesbian, gay and bisexual rights".

The case was heard from September to November 2022 and the tribunal's decision was given today.

LGB alliance celebrated their victory in the case on Twitter, saying: "We are delighted that the tribunal found in our favour and that Mermaids and the LGBT Consortium have failed in their bid to remove our charitable status."

Mermaids have released a statement on their website following the ruling today.

The group argued the outcome of the case still puts a "huge question mark" over the charity's status as judges were "split" on the decision - one arguing in favour of Mermaids and one against.

[Liam-]

Wrong decision, it’s very obviously not a charity, it doesn’t help anyone, it’s a hate group, who’s members are vastly straight, who’s only focus is to eradicate trans people from society

[Oliver_W]

The last thing Mermaids needs is people looking in their direction. Serve the creeps right if it ended up with them losing theirs.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Wrong decision, it’s very obviously not a charity, it doesn’t help anyone, it’s a hate group, who’s members are vastly straight, who’s only focus is to eradicate trans people from society

Which of their "policies" or actions lead you to that conclusion? What information do you have that eluded the tribunal?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Wrong decision, it’s very obviously not a charity, it doesn’t help anyone, it’s a hate group, who’s members are vastly straight, who’s only focus is to eradicate trans people from society

You clearly believe the propaganda over the actual evidence the court decided was sufficient

[Liam-]

I believe their actions and their words, their only goal is to harm and strip away the rights of trans people, like I said, the vast majority of the ‘members’ are straight people, the organisation has got nothing to do with gay rights

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I believe their actions and their words, their only goal is to harm and strip away the rights of trans people, like I said, the vast majority of the ‘members’ are straight people, the organisation has got nothing to do with gay rights

Which actions and words?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I believe their actions and their words, their only goal is to harm and strip away the rights of trans people, like I said, the vast majority of the ‘members’ are straight people, the organisation has got nothing to do with gay rights

The court beg to differ Liam. I see a massive split in the LGBT community lately since the more traditional groups like Stonewall have decided to change what homosexuality even is. Same sex attraction is suddenly transphobic. There's an absolute need for new charities who still believe in that surely whether you believe it or not?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The court beg to differ Liam. I see a massive split in the LGBT community lately since the more traditional groups like Stonewall have decided to change what homosexuality even is. Same sex attraction is suddenly transphobic. There's an absolute need for new charities who still believe in that surely whether or not you believe it or not?

A ‘massive split’? You see what you want to see, you see the people that agree with you and that leads you to vastly overestimate the amount of support the anti-trans movement has, especially in the lgbt community

There isn’t a need for an organisation that purposefully targets trans people no, because trans people aren’t destroying anything, the bigots who don’t like trans people are trying to create the divide so they can get their own way

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You see what you want to see, you see the people that agree with you

There's a lot of that around.

Originally Posted by Liam-

There isn’t a need for an organisation that purposefully targets trans people

How are they targeting trans people?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

A ‘massive split’? You see what you want to see, you see the people that agree with you and that leads you to vastly overestimate the amount of support the anti-trans movement has, especially in the lgbt community

There isn’t a need for an organisation that purposefully targets trans people no, because trans people aren’t destroying anything, the bigots who don’t like trans people are trying to create the divide so they can get their own way

I mean when Stonewall have promoted the workshop Overcoming the Cotton Ceiling, that in itself is enough reason for lesbians to want to break away and start their own group that focuses on actual lesbians surely? What makes you think that the LGB Alliance is mostly straight people btw? I know one of the founders is Allison Bailey, the Lesbian who won her own case against her employers for discrimination because of her belief in biology. Is she a bigot for only being attracted to people of her own sex?

[thesheriff443]

There was a split decision?
One of the judges ruled in Favour of the trans group so there must of been some truth to the accusations

[LeatherTrumpet]

We promote the rights of lesbians, bisexuals & gay men, as recognised by
biological sex.

"We are proponents of respectful free speech and we seek dialogue with all to
present our views and to learn from others.

We lift up LGB people by preserving their history, celebrating their
achievements and by working to create the conditions in which lesbian, gay and
bisexual people can thrive to enjoy happy and fulfilled lives."

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I mean when Stonewall have promoted the workshop Overcoming the Cotton Ceiling, that in itself is enough reason for lesbians to want to break away and start their own group that focuses on actual lesbians surely? What makes you think that the LGB Alliance is mostly straight people btw? I know one of the founders is Allison Bailey, the Lesbian who won her own case against her employers for discrimination because of her belief in biology. Is she a bigot for only being attracted to people of her own sex?

Ah, the ‘lesbians are being forced out’ propaganda

It came out in that case that more than 70% of the members of the organisation are straight, she’s the one that admitted that iirc.

No, she’s a bigot for setting up an organisation founded on the belief that trans people are lesser and don’t deserve rights and dignity in society

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Ah, the ‘lesbians are being forced out’ propaganda

It came out in that case that more than 70% of the members of the organisation are straight, she’s the one that admitted that iirc.

No, she’s a bigot for setting up an organisation founded on the belief that trans people are lesser and don’t deserve rights and dignity in society

No comment on The Cotton Ceiling Workshop promoted by Stonewall then? What are your thoughts on that? Trying to coerce lesbians to sleep with biological men?

One could argue that a very large portion of the LGBTQI ++++++ groups are straight too

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, she’s a bigot for setting up an organisation founded on the belief that trans people are lesser and don’t deserve rights and dignity in society

When has she expressed this belief?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

• to eradicate trans people from society
• their only goal is to harm and strip away the rights of trans people
• that purposefully targets trans
• the bigots who don’t like trans people are trying to create the divide
• she’s a bigot
• that trans people are lesser and don’t deserve rights and dignity in society

that is quite the rap sheet for page one

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Wrong decision, it’s very obviously not a charity, it doesn’t help anyone, it’s a hate group, who’s members are vastly straight, who’s only focus is to eradicate trans people from society

Load of crap..

https://twitter.com/AllianceLGB/stat...76577341894658

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that is quite the rap sheet for page one

Along with absolutely zero evidence!

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Wrong decision, it’s very obviously not a charity, it doesn’t help anyone, it’s a hate group, who’s members are vastly straight, who’s only focus is to eradicate trans people from society

People have repeatedly asked you to justify this or provide any sort of example of it and you haven't been able to. At some point you're going to have to accept that you're just a resonance chamber for other people's opinions. You can't back them for yourself because you didn't reason them out for yourself. All I can say is, one day, at least try. You might come to the same conclusion but at least you'll be able to back it when asked.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

People have repeatedly asked you to justify this or provide any sort of example of it and you haven't been able to. At some point you're going to have to accept that you're just a resonance chamber for other people's opinions. You can't back them for yourself because you didn't reason them out for yourself. All I can say is, one day, at least try. You might come to the same conclusion but at least you'll be able to back it when asked.

Exactly. I gave him a pretty solid example of why lesbians might feel the need to regroup and start their own charities and he just called it propaganda so he either doesn't know what the Cotton ceiling is or he doesn't actually care how the "L's" are being treated and thinks they should just shut up

[Liam-]

Or, I just don’t feel the need to justify myself or my opinions to people who have no actual interest in listening to anyone other than the people who dislike the same people they do.

I’ve learned my lesson to not get involved in discussions with people who have no real outputs other than ‘trans people bad’ now I just post my opinions and leave it at that

[Niamh.]

Ok Liam

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Or, I just don’t feel the need to justify myself or my opinions to people who have no actual interest in listening to anyone other than the people who dislike the same people they do.

I’ve learned my lesson to not get involved in discussions with people who have no real outputs other than ‘trans people bad’ now I just post my opinions and leave it at that

not really opinions tho mate

you are just calling people names over and over

: o/

[Niamh.]

Just in case Liam or anyone else doesn't know what the Cotton Ceiling is, here you go :

Spoiler:

The term “cotton ceiling” (2012) invented by a trans activist and porn performer, to describe the “difficulties” faced by men who identify as “trans lesbians” in being accepted as “real lesbians”. They found that lesbians were okay for men who ID as lesbians to join their communities but were somehow reluctant to choose them as sexual partners. We know that 80% of trans people are non-op, meaning their male genitals are intact.

The term “cotton ceiling” is copied from the term “glass ceiling”.

The glass ceiling describes the invisible barrier women face to attain a higher position in their field of work because men are gatekeeping positions of power, keeping them for themselves.

The “cotton ceiling” however, refers to the knickers worn by the lesbian: the cotton of the knickers being the barrier the males who identify as lesbians struggle to penetrate. This barrier is seen as denying his validity as a “real woman” and as a lesbian, as only a sexual experience with a lesbian would make him a “real lesbian“.

Lesbians , who are not consenting, are accused of using their genitals to “gate keep womanhood”, denying “trans lesbians” their “rights” to be real lesbians by accessing lesbians sexually.

The term consensual is important because the lesbian has to agree (under extreme pressure and coercion and/or violence) to the sexual relationship for validation to magically happen.

Lesbians explained that they did not want to have sexual relationships with people with penises, the term penis was rebranded “girldick”, “lady stick”, “lady’s penis”.

In this “logic”, the penis, in virtue of being attached to a male who identifies as female, automatically becomes a female organ. Lesbians who still refuse to consider “trans lesbians” as sexual partners are called “terfs”, “transphobes” and “vagina fetishists”.

Because Lesbians are seen as privileged to men who identify as women because we are so called “Cis” (not trans) we are said to oppress men who identify as lesbians.

Lesbians’ refusal to have sex with men is the way we oppress them.

But it does go even further than this.

We are told that transwomen are real women therefore if lesbians refuse to have sex with people with penises, they cannot be lesbians at all.

So men who ID as lesbians are real lesbians and lesbians who are females are not real lesbians unless they have sex with men who ID as lesbians.

Did I lose you?

The reversal is complete.

https://www.filia.org.uk/latest-news...cotton-ceiling