[Abra]

Originally Posted by Alf

So the LGBTQXYZ Nazi Police are coming after people's basic freedoms yet again.

The LGBTQ movement is such an authoritarian movement. That's undeniable, it's plain to see right here if this is true. No wonder the older homosexuals don't want anything to do with it.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Abra

And they're ageist.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by Alf

And they're ageist.

[Northern Monkey]

I do agree about the edit though, deffo not something that should be hidden. Definite bias, and Kerry is doing my tits in now ,so if she did get kicked

[Jordan.]

She shouldn't be kicked out the back door. She deserves to know she is disliked and evicted by the public.

[parmnion]

I'm loving kelly and hallies dynamics together to be honest.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Abra

At least he knows its a cloud, the gen z's would not have a scooby doo as they never look up from their iphone 13's

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

At least he knows its a cloud, the gen z's would not have a scooby doo as they never look up from their iphone 13's

That's where they look at the cloud.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

At least he knows its a cloud, the gen z's would not have a scooby doo as they never look up from their iphone 13's

A what?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abra

Using the word "gay" in the place of saying something is bad or negative is definitely homophobic, lmao.

That's your opinion. I tend to not be so trigger hair upset by the use of words. Context and intent matter to me.

Originally Posted by Abra

I'm not saying she's a deliberately homophobic person, but it definitely feels like a bit of a Freudian slip

To you. Not to me.

There has been nothing that she has said or done that suggests that she has any dislike or hate toward gay people.

Calling people homophobes based on the use of a single unapproved word just feels so 2016 Tumblr. I thought that we had moved past that cringe.

[Glenn.]

She’s just a very stupid unintelligent woman and if you don’t agree that what she’s said is problematic then you’re just as unintelligent as she is imo

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

She’s just a very stupid unintelligent woman and if you don’t agree that what she’s said is problematic then you’re just as unintelligent as she is imo

I'm not gonna get into personal attacks over a TV show.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

That's your opinion. I tend to not be so trigger hair upset by the use of words. Context and intent matter to me.



To you. Not to me.

There has been nothing that she has said or done that suggests that she has any dislike or hate toward gay people.

Calling people homophobes based on the use of a single unapproved word just feels so 2016 Tumblr. I thought that we had moved past that cringe.

Sorry but no amount of mental gymnastics will stop "gay" being used as a negative term being homophobic. Whether that bothers you or not is entirely up to you, that doesn't change the fact it's homophobic. You don't have to be a pick me to feel like you're above "2016 Tumblr".

[Glenn.]

I wasn’t being personal with anyone on here.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abra

Sorry but no amount of mental gymnastics will stop "gay" being used as a negative term being homophobic. Whether that bothers you or not is entirely up to you, that doesn't change the fact it's homophobic. You don't have to be a pick me to feel like you're above "2016 Tumblr".

It's not 'mental gymnastics' lol, it's just me saying that context and intent matter and that words on their own are not 'problematic' to me.

it isn't a fact on your part, btw, it's a subjective opinion.

I don't understand what you mean by a 'pick me' in this context. Please explain?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

It's not 'mental gymnastics' lol, it's just me saying that context and intent matter and that words on their own are not 'problematic' to me.

it isn't a fact on your part, btw, it's a subjective opinion.

I don't understand what you mean by a 'pick me' in this context. Please explain?

Her intent was to describe people in a negative way and chose to use the word gay to do that. That’s your context. Using the term gay in a negative way to insult people is homophobic no matter how you want to wrap it up.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Her intent was to describe people in a negative way and chose to use the word gay to do that. That’s your context. Using the term gay in a negative way to insult people is homophobic no matter how you want to wrap it up.

There is no way to say that... You don't know what's inside her head or her intent.

Was her intent to harm or hurt or show hate or dislike towards gay people? I see no evidence of that. In fact, it would feel directly against the attitudes she has shown up to now.

I have seen no evidence of her disliking or hating gays and a single word used like that is not enough to condemn her. And I say all this not even liking her.

Those types of labels are weaponised and used far too easily, IMO, often with full knowledge of the damage they can do. It's just a game that I do not play.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

It's not 'mental gymnastics' lol, it's just me saying that context and intent matter and that words on their own are not 'problematic' to me.

it isn't a fact on your part, btw, it's a subjective opinion.

I don't understand what you mean by a 'pick me' in this context. Please explain?

Yeah... and the context was that Kerry used the word "gay" as an adjective to describe something negative that she didn't like. Homophobia doesn't have to be directed towards a specific person or a specific group of people, or be coming from a particular place of bigotry to be homophobia. By your own logic, someone using "black" or a racial term to describe something negative wouldn't be racism. Even with the context of the situation being taken into consideration, it was homophobic. It's not subjective at all. The only thing that is subjective is whether it bothers you or not, which like I said, is entirely up to you.

"Pick me" is a term that basically means somebody who acts as a contrarian.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abra

Yeah... and the context was that Kerry used the word "gay" as an adjective to describe something negative that she didn't like. Homophobia doesn't have to be directed towards a specific person or a specific group of people, or be coming from a particular place of bigotry to be homophobia. By your own logic, someone using "black" or a racial term to describe something negative wouldn't be racism. Even with the context of the situation being taken into consideration, it was homophobic. It's not subjective at all. The only thing that is subjective is whether it bothers you or not, which like I said, is entirely up to you.

"Pick me" is a term that basically means somebody who acts as a contrarian.

I am not a contrarian just because I disagree with you on this. We all have our own opinions, that's the point of the forum.

Black is used all the time to describe bad things... Black magic, black sheep, etc... Using those terms would not be racist.

I am sorry, but yes, it is subjective. No one gets to set the law of the universe on these matters. No one's world view is the cosmic truth.

What homophobia DOES need to do though is to show a hatred or dislike of gay people. That's it's literal definition. I see none of that from Kerry. As I say, she has actually shown the complete opposite attitude.

Honestly, the term 'homophobe' is not well served by being so over used for tiny issues like this. It cheapens it and robs it of it's power.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Abra

Sorry but no amount of mental gymnastics will stop "gay" being used as a negative term being homophobic. Whether that bothers you or not is entirely up to you, that doesn't change the fact it's homophobic. You don't have to be a pick me to feel like you're above "2016 Tumblr".

How on earth do you know that gay has always been used negatively.in every single conversation and scenario across the UK.

The word dont belong to anyone, and if commonly used enough to describe something then it should be accepted., just like when gay meant being joyfully and merry, before it was stolen by the biggest grinches on the planet to mean something else, that nobody apart from the grinches could talk about.


Get over yourself darling.


Kerry's convo was a convo with friends, one where calling a friends idea gay is actually a gentle way of
shutting a stupid idea down by using a term of endearment to do so.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I am not a contrarian just because I disagree with you on this. We all have our own opinions, that's the point of the forum.

Black is used all the time to describe bad things... Black magic, black sheep, etc... Using those terms would not be racist.

I am sorry, but yes, it is subjective. No one gets to set the law of the universe on these matters. No one's world view is the cosmic truth.

What homophobia DOES need to do though is to show a hatred or dislike of gay people. That's it's literal definition. I see none of that from Kerry. As I say, she has actually shown the complete opposite attitude.

Honestly, the term 'homophobe' is not well served by being so over used for tiny issues like this. It cheapens it and robs it of it's power.

I was obviously referring to black as in race, not the colour black, and I'm pretty sure you knew that, so I'm not sure why you're resorting to acting obtuse and pretending like you weren't aware of that or that it went over your head.

Your interpretation of what homophobia is or isn't is very "I have a black friend so I can't be racist", you're either incredibly naive or incredibly contrarian.

If homophobia needs to show a dislike of gay people, I would say using "gay" as an adjective to describe something you don't like is a pretty good start. Your argument simply doesn't stack up the way you think it does.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by parmnion

How on earth do you know that gay has always been used negatively.in every single conversation and scenario across the UK.

The word dont belong to anyone, and if commonly used enough to describe something then it should be accepted., just like when gay meant being joyfully and merry, before it was stolen by the biggest grinches on the planet to mean something else, that nobody apart from the grinches could talk about.


Get over yourself darling.


Kerry's convo was a convo with friends, one where calling a friends idea gay is actually a gentle way of
shutting a stupid idea down by using a term of endearment to do so.

Where did I say that "gay has always been used negatively in every single conversation and scenario across the UK"? It would be easier to debate with you if you weren't just making things up and we were actually debating on the same intellectual level. If you really want to act like there's a chance that Kerry's use of the word had no connotations to the internationally recognised modern definition of the word gay you're completely delusional.

"A term of endearment"

Nothing more out of touch than a straight person trying to educate a gay person on what is or isn't homophobic, when you're actually just imposing your own ignorance. Your masked slipped a bit with that "grinches" comment though, no wonder you're so eager to defend homophobia. Birds of a feather and all

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abra

I was obviously referring to black as in race, not the colour black, and I'm pretty sure you knew that, so I'm not sure why you're resorting to acting obtuse and pretending like you weren't aware of that or that it went over your head.

Your interpretation of what homophobia is or isn't is very "I have a black friend so I can't be racist", you're either incredibly naive or incredibly contrarian.

OK, I see that you are going to fall into personal attacks so I will bow out here. It's clear that I disagree with your views I guess and there is nothing really more to say past what I have said.

Have fun.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

OK, I see that you are going to fall into personal attacks so I will bow out here. It's clear that I disagree with your views I guess and there is nothing really more to say past what I have said.

Have fun.

There was no personal attacks in that post You were acting obtuse and I pointed that out, I'm sorry that it bothered you. Your argument fell apart so now you're just saying anything.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abra

There was no personal attacks in that post You were acting obtuse and I pointed that out, I'm sorry that it bothered you. Your argument fell apart so now you're just saying anything.

OK