[Nicky91]

why are the jewish people getting the favourite treatment


while you also have many many innocent palestinian victims, caused by stupid moron Netanyahu and his lunatic IDF



what makes the jewish people better than the innocent palestinian civilians




and no i'm not antisemitic for the last time, but sorry i can't simply ignore the palestinian victims



already bad enough we have a war for almost 75 years there, so i can't simply pick a side and ignore the other side their casualties


i feel also bad i made myself quite unpopular through these stressful times



both sides have wrong people leading them, and yes Hamas are terrorists, they basically are leading Palestine into the grave but IDF are in the wrong either, by just thinking of the palestinian civilians as ''expendable collateral damage''


like what the **** aren't people with common sense use their common sense and go for the cleanest, most efficient way to deal with terrorists, without too much loss of innocent life



i didn't want to post this in the Israel-Hamas thread not to derail the official news topic any further

[joeysteele]

A lot of thought provoking content there from you Nicky.

I just want to say, no you are NOT antisemetic.
It gets wildly branded about in veiled accusations both on here on and off this forum.
Plus in the wider world outside too.

For myself this senseless slaughter of innocents from both sides, is heartbreaking.
Hamas are evil terrorists, Israel is right to pursue and attempt to eradicate them from Palestine.
How many more innocent lives of even children which are likely to result in that aim, is both heartbreaking and frightening.
For ALL concerned on both sides.

[Soldier Boy]

Unfortunately, as middle-eastern Muslims they're seen (quite openly) as less than human by many of the people making the decisions here -- they refer to them as animals, vermin, barbarians.

I wouldn't worry too much about feeling unpopular on here as a number of members have made it very clear that they're aligned with this thinking and that, indeed, collateral damage in this situation is "acceptable" (so long as it's just The Others dying). The "poor Israel and think of the hostages" is a paper-thin veneer over a general western supremist ideology. It's only going to decline further -- just yesterday we had "The Enemy Within" propaganda creeping onto the forum... perhaps the person posting it doesn't know the implications or history of that ideology... perhaps they do .

Worse yet there are plenty of pockets of people both online and in politics who seem outright thirsty for the violence. They wanted this long before recent events kicked off. This is a long-desired justification to, at this point quite blatantly, seek to begin a purge of the middle east.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Unfortunately, as middle-eastern Muslims they're seen (quite openly) as less than human by many of the people making the decisions here -- they refer to them as animals, vermin, barbarians.

I wouldn't worry too much about feeling unpopular on here as a number of members have made it very clear that they're aligned with this thinking and that, indeed, collateral damage in this situation is "acceptable" (so long as it's just The Others dying). The "poor Israel and think of the hostages" is a paper-thin veneer over a general western supremist ideology. It's only going to decline further -- just yesterday we had "The Enemy Within" propaganda creeping onto the forum... perhaps the person posting it doesn't know the implications or history of that ideology... perhaps they do .

Worse yet there are plenty of pockets of people both online and in politics who seem outright thirsty for the violence. They wanted this long before recent events kicked off. This is a long-desired justification to, at this point quite blatantly, seek to begin a purge of the middle east.

I think this is why the coverage and discourse in Ireland is a bit different to most of the rest of western countries. It's comparable to how Irish people were treated and spoken about not that long ago.

[LeatherTrumpet]

"why are the jewish people getting the favourite treatment"

no point making another thread about this and starting it with a statement you cant back up

Lets see the evidence and then we can discuss

[Cherie]

I can't imagine where you get the idea the Palestinians have been forgotten about there are thousands marching every weekend in all UK cities, what does appear to be forgotten is the slaughter visited upon Israel on 7th October, the hostages, and the subsequent effect the carpet bombing of Gaza is having on Jews who live outside Israel and how their lives are being impacted despite in the main not agreeing with the IDF or Israels response, its a mess on all sides and its hard to see this ending well for anyone

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I can't imagine where you get the idea the Palestinians have been forgotten about there are thousands marching every weekend in all UK cities, what does appear to be forgotten is the slaughter visited upon Israel on 7th October, the hostages, and the subsequent effect the carpet bombing of Gaza is having on Jews who live outside Israel and how their lives are being impacted despite in the main not agreeing with the IDF or Israels response, its a mess on all sides and its hard to see this ending well for anyone

I really hope I'm wrong but I'm more and more convinced that the entire situation is a precursor to justifying the removal of Iran from the board, and essentially securing Israel + Saudi (US proxy) as having full control of the Middle East.

I guess they couldn't do imaginary WMD's again, people would have been sus.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think this is why the coverage and discourse in Ireland is a bit different to most of the rest of western countries. It's comparable to how Irish people were treated and spoken about not that long ago.

During the troubles, I never felt unsafe in the UK, yes there were stupid people who said stupid things, or thought all Irish people were members of the IRA but in the main there were no issues, I think you lived here for a period of that time too? I don't think Jews in Britain or anywhere in the world no matter what their views feel 100% safe today

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

During the troubles, I never felt unsafe in the UK, yes there were stupid people who said stupid things, or thought all Irish people were members of the IRA but in the main there were no issues, I think you lived here for a period of that time too? I don't think Jews in Britain or anywhere in the world no matter what their views feel 100% safe today

In the 90's I definitely felt some backlash but generally it was ok. I was more talking a little further back than that though about Irish people being referred as savages etc

https://medium.com/special-collectio...e-3c9196f2c28d

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

During the troubles, I never felt unsafe in the UK, yes there were stupid people who said stupid things, or thought all Irish people were members of the IRA but in the main there were no issues, I think you lived here for a period of that time too? I don't think Jews in Britain or anywhere in the world no matter what their views feel 100% safe today

Well, there's no such thing as visibly Irish.

I don't say that flippantly - I know accents are a thing and I know that people are and have been persecuted on the basis of an accent - but it's worth pointing out that there's an element of Othering that can only occur with race. A huge proportion of Britain has Irish blood somewhere in their past - not so with Jews/Muslims.

I can also tell you for a fact that the situation was not the same in the West of Scotland and there was lots (and lots) of sectarian violence ... but the whole place is bright Orange so that's unsurprising. One step away from National Front.

[smudgie]

I don’t think anyone is being ignored.
Or their plight.
My heart goes out to all the victims of this war.
I do however blame Hamas for it, and those other terrorists that support them.
You can’t go and slaughter all those innocent people and not expect retaliation.
I am sure we would all love a peaceful solution but you can’t reason with terrorists.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I can't imagine where you get the idea the Palestinians have been forgotten about there are thousands marching every weekend in all UK cities, what does appear to be forgotten is the slaughter visited upon Israel on 7th October, the hostages, and the subsequent effect the carpet bombing of Gaza is having on Jews who live outside Israel and how their lives are being impacted despite in the main not agreeing with the IDF or Israels response, its a mess on all sides and its hard to see this ending well for anyone

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by smudgie

You can’t go and slaughter all those innocent people and not expect retaliation.

This is the foundational pillar of extremism/terrorism and terrorist recruitment.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Humza Useless spending 24/7 bleating about a ceasefire

There was a ceasefire on the 6th October

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Humza Useless spending 24/7 bleating about a ceasefire

There was a ceasefire on the 6th October

Community notes:
The ground invasion of Gaza began on the 27th of October.

[Liam-]

Also there wasn’t a ceasefire on the 6th at all, Palestinians were being slaughtered for 75 years indiscriminately before the 6th

[arista]

"so we're supposed to ignore the palestinian victims? "

No Nicky

Watch UK Ch4HDnews at 7PM

All Victims on both sides
are featured.

Ignore the sad bbc

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

In the 90's I definitely felt some backlash but generally it was ok. I was more talking a little further back than that though about Irish people being referred as savages etc

https://medium.com/special-collectio...e-3c9196f2c28d

Yeah I get the point you are making, I am just trying to draw from my own experience of being in England during some of the 'Troubles' that I never felt unsafe but I don't think the current situation Jews find themselves is the same

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yeah I get the point you are making, I am just trying to draw from my own experience of being in England during some of the 'Troubles' that I never felt unsafe but I don't think the current situation Jews find themselves is the same

I was just making that specific point about the dehumanising language and how similar it was to how we Irish we're labelled and spoken about at one point in time.

Unfortunately I think both religious groups may be feeling unsafe in Britain at the moment, I definitely understand that

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I was just making that specific point about the dehumanising language and how similar it was to how we Irish we're labelled and spoken about at one point in time.

Unfortunately I think both religious groups may be feeling unsafe in Britain at the moment, I definitely understand that

The visible support is for the Palestinians though via the numbers that turn out at Marches , (even though the UK is allegedly very racist) so they can take comfort from that at least, Jews in the meantime have been told not to wear Jewish jewellery or Kippagh and have security on their schools

[bitontheslide]

There were no protests around the world when Russia refused a humanitarian ceasefire in Ukraine. Why is it different in Gazza?

Don't people find that strange?

I think it's because people don't see it as country vs country, but as religion vs religion and as Jewish people are in the minority across the world except in Israel, it's an unfair contest wherever you are. Jewish people are overwhelmed everywhere except Israel by muslims

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There were no protests around the world when Russia refused a humanitarian ceasefire in Ukraine. Why is it different in Gazza?

Don't people find that strange?

Because world governments weren't backing Russia. I don't think this is very mysterious, no.

[Nicky91]

because Russia were the same as Hamas, also vile terrorists

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Because world governments weren't backing Russia. I don't think this is very mysterious, no.

many of the world governments are not backing Israel either

This is a religious jihad, and people better start seeing it before its too late

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think it's because people don't see it as country vs country, but as religion vs religion and as Jewish people are in the minority across the world except in Israel, it's an unfair contest wherever you are. Jewish people are overwhelmed everywhere except Israel by muslims

This could perhaps be a point but when Israel itself is clear that being Jewish is not just about Judaism but is a distinct racial and cultural heritage inseparable from Israel there's not really a lot that can be done about that. "Country vs Country" as opposed to "Religion vs Religion" is a very thin (or in their own view, nonexistent) differential when it comes to Israel and that's at Israel's own insistence, as well as baked into the founding if Israel as a modern state. It was the WHOLE point.