[Ammi]

…we did watch it in the movie club, maybe I recommended it…?…I can’t recall…but it’s strange the aspects/perspectives that we can focus on with these things…mine was more on the world that she created/they all created in the minds because of abuse and violence and exploitations etc….and that’s why I was so impacted emotionally as well because those dream sequences were the furthest thing from reality and the reality was so sad and awful…but yeah, I totally get what you feel about it also…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…we did watch it in the movie club, maybe I recommended it…?…I can’t recall…but it’s strange the aspects/perspectives that we can focus on with these things…mine was more on the world that she created/they all created in the minds because of abuse and violence and exploitations etc….and that’s why I was so impacted emotionally as well because those dream sequences were the furthest thing from reality and the reality was so sad and awful…but yeah, I totally get what you feel about it also…

Yeah you did, that was when i watched it for the first time, I put the link to the thread in my previous post

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah you did, that was when i watched it for the first time, I put the link to the thread in my previous post

…yeah I just had a quick speed glance at that …and interesting that I saw other aspects of it on a second watch and didn’t focus on the same things ….

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah I just had a quick speed glance at that …and interesting that I saw other aspects of it on a second watch and didn’t focus on the same things ….

It was definitely a good one for the movie club though because there was a lot to discuss with it. We should start that up again actually, that was fun

[Ammi]

…I also think when we watch movies…?…in general for me anyway, it depends on our own emotions or vibe at the time in how we perceive things…which is why we can rewatch and rewatch and rewatch and find something ‘new’ every time with every watch for some movies…same with books that we read…part of us is in the story we’re watching…/…emotionally I mean…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I also think when we watch movies…?…in general for me anyway, it depends on our own emotions or vibe at the time in how we perceive things…which is why we can rewatch and rewatch and rewatch and find something ‘new’ every time with every watch for some movies…same with books that we read…part of us is in the story we’re watching…/…emotionally I mean…

Oh yeah for sure, this is really sad but I remember trying to read PS I Love You and I had to stop because I just cried every time I picked it up It was probably because I was the same age as the main character at the time and I couldn't stop imagining losing Gavin which is one of my worst fears

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…we did watch it in the movie club, maybe I recommended it…?…I can’t recall…but it’s strange the aspects/perspectives that we can focus on with these things…mine was more on the world that she created/they all created in the minds because of abuse and violence and exploitations etc….and that’s why I was so impacted emotionally as well because those dream sequences were the furthest thing from reality and the reality was so sad and awful…but yeah, I totally get what you feel about it also…

I'm pretty sure that was always my take Ammi - looking at it in a "matrixy" way, Babydoll is a representation of the character's self-image in her own "Mind Matrix" an exaggerated and hyper-sexualised exploitative representation of the male gaze. I think absolutely key to the message is remembering (on a second watch) that Sweet Pea and Babydoll can be thought of as the same person, or for another interesting perspective, that Babydoll (like the rest of the female cast) doesn't exist at all and the whole story is actually from the perspective of Sweet Pea.

[Niamh.]

My issue with it was that it felt like it was trying to pass itself off as a female empowering film but it was 100% meant for a male audience and what men think is female empowerment.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I'm pretty sure that was always my take Ammi - looking at it in a "matrixy" way, Babydoll is a representation of the character's self-image in her own "Mind Matrix" an exaggerated and hyper-sexualised exploitative representation of the male gaze. I think absolutely key to the message is remembering (on a second watch) that Sweet Pea and Babydoll can be thought of as the same person, or for another interesting perspective, that Babydoll (like the rest of the female cast) doesn't exist at all and the whole story is actually from the perspective of Sweet Pea.

….as I say, I think that with very layered and thought provoking topics and characters etc…some does come from us/the emotional vibe that we have while we’re watching and that can change and ‘flip’ a perspective, if you like…I don’t know when your first watch was but being a father of daughters etc and having concerns about ‘today’s world’…it would be interesting to see your views in comparison to last time…and the eyes that you’re watching it through now…because these things don’t remain fixed, do they….

…I don’t want to give too much away but for me it was similar to the series Crowded Room in how young and sadly damaged minds and memories find their ‘safe place’ to block and to reinvent at times also…

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My issue with it was that it felt like it was trying to pass itself off as a female empowering film but it was 100% meant for a male audience and what men think is female empowerment.

….I guess because in her head, she wasn’t a victim and she wasn’t disturbed or damaged by her past …her ‘fighting battles’ took on the part of her ‘mind battles’ and she overcame in her dreams…I do see it wasn’t well done and especially in the world of today …but the first time I watched it, it felt that it was her only ‘escapism’ and it’s a familiar thing with childhood trauma as well….the reality of her world was what stayed with me and the real impact of it….

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The whole point of critics is that they see films you haven't so you can avoid going to see crap like this

Sometimes though I have seen them bash good Films imo.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

….I guess because in her head, she wasn’t a victim and she wasn’t disturbed or damaged by her past …her ‘fighting battles’ took on the part of her ‘mind battles’ and she overcame in her dreams…I do see it wasn’t well done and especially in the world of today …but the first time I watched it, it felt that it was her only ‘escapism’ and it’s a familiar thing with childhood trauma as well….the reality of her world was what stayed with me and the real impact of it….

I just don't think it was a believable dream world a woman who's been abused and sexualised by men would come up with. Dancing around like a sexy knife wielding school girl. It seems like an idea a man might think a traumatised woman might come up with though

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

+1

exactly

we all have different tastes tbh


and not the first time either critics are harsh on Dakota, seems like they are extra hard on her just because she is the daughter of the hunky Miami Vice heartthrob and one hit wonder music star Don Johnson



most low rated films i tend to like (most of The Asylum from Syfy i enjoyed a lot, which got 2.0's or even below that) films, series should be lighthearted entertainment, nothing too heavy, or to overthink the story

that said one top rated film i am gonna watch when it is on Disney is Poor Things and i might like that one too

That's more than fair enough, Nicky.

One Asylum Film I do want to check out is Ape Vs. Mecha Ape, the name just grabs my attention.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just don't think it was a believable dream world a woman who's been abused and sexualised by men would come up with. Dancing around like a sexy knife wielding school girl. It seems like an idea a man might think a traumatised women might come up with though

…yeah, honestly I get that totally…how it was ‘through a male gaze’ and part of that sexualising…adding to it, not countering it…but on a first watch and from my own memory, that hadn’t been my focus…and maybe that’s because I’ve had experience of psychological damage in childhood and coping mechanisms….that’s why it was good to revisit it as well….placing focus on other aspects much more…

[Ammi]

…it’s also the value of movie clubs/book clubs etc because we get the chance to look at story content through many different eyes…and a more complete way of viewing…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s also the value of movie clubs/book clubs etc because we get the chance to look at story content through many different eyes…and a more complete way of viewing…

Absolutely

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just don't think it was a believable dream world a woman who's been abused and sexualised by men would come up with. Dancing around like a sexy knife wielding school girl. It seems like an idea a man might think a traumatised woman might come up with though

Tbf, they're probably trying to make the scenes be entertaining in a morbid kind of way.

I haven't seen the Film tbf, but that would be my guess based off of this particular post.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf, they're probably trying to make the scenes be entertaining in a morbid kind of way.

I haven't seen the Film tbf, but that would be my guess based off of this particular post.

That's fine but don't claim to be anything more than the usual sexy-girl-in-skimpy-outfits then and certainly don't claim to be a film about female empowerment

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's fine but don't claim to be anything more than the usual sexy-girl-in -skimpy-outfits then and certainly don't claim to be a film about female empowerment

Some Films unfortunately do use deceptive marketing tactics to get people to watch their Film, that otherwise wouldn't watch it.

I personally don't like a Film deceiving me either, so I can see where you're coming from.

[Swan]

The rate at which they pump out these superhero movies over the past 10 years or so is relentless. There are bound to be a few the critics won't like. Personally i have hardly any interest in any superhero 'verse anymore.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Swan

The rate at which they pump out these superhero movies over the past 10 years or so is relentless. There are bound to be a few the critics won't like. Personally i have hardly any interest in any superhero 'verse anymore.

Cant wait for Marvel Floggo - The Dead Horse

In cinemas 2014

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's more than fair enough, Nicky.

One Asylum Film I do want to check out is Ape Vs. Mecha Ape, the name just grabs my attention.

Mega Shark vs Crocosaurus is a good one, it also had Robert Picardo (ST Voy EMH) in it and Jaleel White (Urkel)


the two, three, five, six headed shark attack films are also enjoyable, three has legendary Danny Trejo in it

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Swan

The rate at which they pump out these superhero movies over the past 10 years or so is relentless. There are bound to be a few the critics won't like. Personally i have hardly any interest in any superhero 'verse anymore.

Blade is one to look forward to i think, Mahersha Ali how he'll do compared to Wesley Snipes's OG (i like Mahersha ever since The 4400 series)


critics only care for the snoozes which always tend to do well at the Oscars, Golden Globes, if there is hardly any interest i have for, it is these predictable award events, where only the borefests tend to be winning prizes at


we should be doing a TiBB Movie Awards or something and then the proper way, with many more categories, for all genres basically, eligible are the releases of the year

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Mega Shark vs Crocosaurus is a good one, it also had Robert Picardo (ST Voy EMH) in it and Jaleel White (Urkel)


the two, three, five, six headed shark attack films are also enjoyable, three has legendary Danny Trejo in it

I'll have to start my journey of Asylum Movies soon.

Especially as the only other thing that I'm really doing entertainment wise is watch my Brother play Tif- I mean Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Blade is one to look forward to i think, Mahersha Ali how he'll do compared to Wesley Snipes's OG (i like Mahersha ever since The 4400 series)


critics only care for the snoozes which always tend to do well at the Oscars, Golden Globes, if there is hardly any interest i have for, it is these predictable award events, where only the borefests tend to be winning prizes at


we should be doing a TiBB Movie Awards or something and then the proper way, with many more categories, for all genres basically, eligible are the releases of the year

I do like the idea tbh.