[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Hollow win.
Frankly meaningless.

The whole thing was a meaningless waste of time, tbh.
Does anyone really think Israel cares if the UK asks for a ceasefire?
Have they nothing better to do?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The whole thing was a meaningless waste of time, tbh.
Does anyone really think Israel cares if the UK asks for a ceasefire?
Have they nothing better to do?

Exactly what I said to Mr C last night, complete waste of time, Nethanyahu is not listening to Biden why would the UK have any influence and even less so now after this farce

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The whole thing was a meaningless waste of time, tbh.
Does anyone really think Israel cares if the UK asks for a ceasefire?
Have they nothing better to do?

Its blatant anti-semistism and tribalism (Israel somehow = right-wing capitalism)

embarrassing from the left

and

We have a problem with Islamist extremism in England that requires immediate and drastic action.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The whole thing was a meaningless waste of time, tbh.
Does anyone really think Israel cares if the UK asks for a ceasefire?
Have they nothing better to do?

The way I see it now as and I agree with all you say above.

I think the SNP used this ceasefire motion to try to expose divisions in both Parties.

The SNP motion without either Labour or Con amendments would have been voted down by the government voting numbers anyhow.
So were the SNP really serious.

For me, the one who came across the worst though was Stephen Flynn, he was rightly annoyed but came across too aggressive.

Really however, the whole parliamentary process needs updating.
It doesn't serve anyone now.
It's Party leadership dictating to MPs what they should think and do, immaterial of what they feel as to their own conscience on very serious issues.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Patrick O'Flynn (Political Commentator):

Being widely reported that the Speaker allowed the Lab amendment because so many Lab MPs were scared of potential violence if they could not vote for it.

*FROM ISLAMISTS*.

That's the story: Islamic radicals have warped British democracy via implied threats of violence.

[bitontheslide]

snp and the tories walked out, so it was hardly a democratic vote

It was all political show boating. The simple fact is that the uk parliament is as fractured as the relationship between israel and hamas, it's just that there were no guns in parliament

[arista]

So far,
59 MP's
sign a no-confidence motion in the Hoyle.

That number is going up as they speak

SkyNewsHD Live

[bitontheslide]

the speaker ought to be finished, we will see

[arista]

Yes, he was advised to not change things,
last night.

[bitontheslide]

The speaker based his decision on the threat and intimidation being made to labour mp's .... and we can't have our parliament give in to that. That is why he must go

[arista]

Some of the MP's
demanding he goes

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The speaker based his decision on the threat and intimidation being made to labour mp's .... and we can't have our parliament give in to that. That is why he must go

Yes many on the Media
are saying the same

[Cherie]

Very worrying trend, think alot of MPs will step down due to the fear of violence against them and their families and who could blame them?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Very worrying trend, think alot of MPs will step down due to the fear of violence against them and their families and who could blame them?

If only some political figure had warned the UK about this like 10 years ago...

[LeatherTrumpet]

or even a chap called Stephen

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Very worrying trend, think alot of MPs will step down due to the fear of violence against them and their families and who could blame them?

Yes we
need Law and Order.

Male MP's need a gun.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

or even a chap called Stephen

No way on him
LT.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Very worrying trend, think alot of MPs will step down due to the fear of violence against them and their families and who could blame them?

I agree, no one could or should blame anyone concerned about fear of violence against them, standing down.

It's been a long ambition of mine to seek to be an MP.
However I am seriously thinking of, REALLY do I want to risk putting myself into that arena.

Politics has sunk further down the gutter than it's ever been in post war.
In recent times there's been the stabbing of Stephen Timms , the vicious brutal murder of Jo Cox, then the brutal murder of David Amess.

However there are really terrifying threats now being made against MPs of ALL Parties.
Plus not only against them but their families and friends too.

Politics is too divisive.
Not helped by the awful current leaders of all political Parties.
I cannot see any way currently around that very sadly and in fact worryingly.

[bitontheslide]

The MP's say they are being threatened, but the language they choose to use against political opponents encourages it

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The MP's say they are being threatened, but the language they choose to use against political opponents encourages it

You are spot on there too.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The MP's say they are being threatened, but the language they choose to use against political opponents encourages it

Like when that aggressive extreme left labour woman called Conservatives "scum"

[Gusto Brunt]

I've never actually liked this Speaker. He seems arrogant and not remotely likeable.

You can be a great Speaker without being a big mouth bully.

I think he should go.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Like when that aggressive extreme left Labour woman called Conservatives "scum"

Yes causing threats on some Conservative MP's