[jet]

Ashleigh is the only original female HM left standing so she is the top girl of the series!
Helen doesn't count because if she hadn't had the free pass she would have been long gone.
So Ashleigh is this years top female! WELL DONE ASHLEIGH!

[rionablue]

Don't like her so no I don't agree

[Bridget51]

Totally agree. Really hope she wins and if not at least beat Helen and Ash. As the twat Stephen will be gone on Friday I haven't included him. Go Ashleigh and well done so far

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by jet

Ashleigh is the only original female HM left standing so she is the top girl of the series!
Helen doesn't count because if she hadn't had the free pass she would have been long gone.
So Ashleigh is this years top female! WELL DONE ASHLEIGH!

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Don't like her so no I don't agree

How can you not agree with a fact? She is the last original female HM standing without a free pass...

[Livia]

I agree. If it was a showdown between Helen and Ashleigh, even people who didn't like Ashleigh would vote for her over Helen if you ask me.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

Ashleigh is already the top original female HM, as of the moment Danielle was evicted. She is the last one standing legitimately without the help of a free pass. Even if by some miracle Helen won, it wouldn't be a 100% legitimate win because she most definitely would have been evicted earlier on and most people would see it as an assisted win because of the free pass - as no way would she have won without it. A hollow victory indeed.
So Ashleigh has beat them all as the legitimate top girl even if she doesn't win.

[oblong]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Don't like her so no I don't agree

whether you like her or not, its true. She is the last standing original female housemate in the series

[Marsh.]

If Helen is not counted because "without her pass she'd have been evicted weeks ago" then Ashleigh doesn't count either because there's various times she'll have been evicted. Including last week, if Biannca hadn't been evicted then Ashleigh would've gone.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by jet

Ashleigh is already the top original female HM, as of the moment Danielle was evicted. She is the last one standing legitimately without the help of a free pass. Even if by some miracle Helen won, it wouldn't be a 100% legitimate win because she most definitely would have been evicted earlier on and most people would see it as an assisted win because of the free pass - as no way would she have won without it. A hollow victory indeed.
So Ashleigh has beat them all as the legitimate top girl even if she doesn't win.

Helen hasn't been up, granted, but if she was, she would have survived so your argument is purely circumstantial. many winners have gone through the whole show and never been up for eviction so does that make their win any less valid. As long as Helen gets the final vote over Ashleigh, it invalidates your claims because to beat the rest, you must beat the best and Ashleigh cant hold a candle to Helen in a one to one in any walk of life.

[divergent]

She's deffo the longest standing female, love her!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Don't like her so no I don't agree

I think she is fortunate to be still there to be honest.

While it is true Helen likely wouldn't be either, without Helen Ashleigh would have had few highlights or much relevance in the house at all for the whole series.

They both have to a degree, benefited from the other being in the house so long to enable them more storylines.I admit to that.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

If Helen is not counted because "without her pass she'd have been evicted weeks ago" then Ashleigh doesn't count either because there's various times she'll have been evicted. Including last week, if Biannca hadn't been evicted then Ashleigh would've gone.

Stop pulling a Winston, you silly thing you.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

Helen has "some" of the public, Ashleigh has MORE of the public.
Helen has "some" of the excitable forum users, Ashleigh has MORE of the excitable forum users.

More people love Ashleigh.
More people hate Helen.
The intensity of support for Ashleigh is greater than the intensity of support for Helen.
The hate towards Helen is more intense than the hate towards Ashleigh.

Helen v Ashleigh 1v1 eviction, Helen is evicted

Ashleigh survived a 4 way eviction against 3 people where the total amount of hate for all 3 combined was less than the hate aimed at Helen.

What are you basing your "Helen is loved by the public" on?

[jet]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Helen hasn't been up, granted, but if she was, she would have survived so your argument is purely circumstantial. many winners have gone through the whole show and never been up for eviction so does that make their win any less valid. As long as Helen gets the final vote over Ashleigh, it invalidates your claims because to beat the rest, you must beat the best and Ashleigh cant hold a candle to Helen in a one to one in any walk of life.

You are funny.

[Jase.]

Originally Posted by oblong

whether you like her or not, its true. She is the last standing original female housemate in the series

exactly lol

[Alf]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Surmising that Ashleigh would beat Helen in a show down is not quite right as Helen would wipe the floor with her. Helen has the public and Ashleigh has a few very verbal and extremely excitable forum members. Its the public that vote and as yet a nasty self absorbed bitch still hasn't won BB. Helen might be a bitch but she relates to a lot of chavs and voters on a similar level. Little lord Fontleroy with a box of tissues at his computer side does not vote.

Have you been popping acid?

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by jet

How can you not agree with a fact? She is the last original female HM standing without a free pass...

She got very lucky as there were a few weeks if she had been put up she would have been out. What I don't agree with is that in my eyes she is not the top girl. I class top girl as the girl that I liked the best not the one who got the furthest

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Stop pulling a Winston, you silly thing you.

I'm cutting through the bullsh*t love. This forum loves the "one rule for one and another for everyone else" line of thinking.

But I notice the responses I get from you when you've ran out of counter arguments.

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Helen hasn't been up, granted, but if she was, she would have survived so your argument is purely circumstantial. many winners have gone through the whole show and never been up for eviction so does that make their win any less valid. As long as Helen gets the final vote over Ashleigh, it invalidates your claims because to beat the rest, you must beat the best and Ashleigh cant hold a candle to Helen in a one to one in any walk of life.

Very true, most accurate post I have seen this year.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Helen has "some" of the public, Ashleigh has MORE of the public.
Helen has "some" of the excitable forum users, Ashleigh has MORE of the excitable forum users.

More people love Ashleigh.
More people hate Helen.
The intensity of support for Ashleigh is greater than the intensity of support for Helen.
The hate towards Helen is more intense than the hate towards Ashleigh.

Helen v Ashleigh 1v1 eviction, Helen is evicted

Ashleigh survived a 4 way eviction against 3 people where the total amount of hate for all 3 combined was less than the hate aimed at Helen.

What are you basing your "Helen is loved by the public" on?

I have noticed that in your profile, it says nothing of you being related to Mystic meg so until Helen goes up for public scrutiny, we will need to shelve this hero worship. If you think Ashleigh is a be all and end all winner then show me the money honey, place a bet on her and if you don't bet, then your undying love will do. Sadly Helens supporters don't need to go on the campaign trail like a failing politician to convince people she is good, we already know this fact.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think she is fortunate to be still there to be honest.

While it is true Helen likely wouldn't be either, without Helen Ashleigh would have had few highlights or much relevance in the house at all for the whole series.

They both have to a degree, benefited from the other being in the house so long to enable them more storylines.I admit to that.

Ashleigh is still there because the public kept her there, and the new HM's kept her there, so she is there legitimately. It's Helen who is very very fortunate to be still there.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Very true, most accurate post I have seen this year.

Thank you kind sir, its a change to get positive comments in this lonely world of defending Helen.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I have noticed that in your profile, it says nothing of you being related to Mystic meg so until Helen goes up for public scrutiny, we will need to shelve this hero worship. If you think Ashleigh is a be all and end all winner then show me the money honey, place a bet on her and if you don't bet, then your undying love will do. Sadly Helens supporters don't need to go on the campaign trail like a failing politician to convince people she is good, we already know this fact.

You are getting funnier by the minute. Whatever will you come up with next?

[jet]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Thank you kind sir, its a change to get positive comments in this lonely world of defending Helen.

Do you ever stop to think WHY it's a lonely world?