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arista · 29-05-2015, 05:15 PM

reported on ITV1 London news

[Effort: The bus is lifted slightly off the ground as the commuters
work to free the trapped man in Walthamstow during the evening rush hour]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3bY5X7A7P

Sadly The Bus driver had no idea

kirklancaster · 29-05-2015, 06:12 PM

Incidents such as this restores a little Faith uh Arista?

Kizzy · 30-05-2015, 12:12 AM

I read about this wish I'd posted it now it was really heartwarming

Hope the guy is recovering, this will be something to tell the grandkids!

Ninastar · 30-05-2015, 12:27 AM

Wow... things like this really give me faith in humanity <3

(not the cyclist being run over, of course)

Toy Soldier · 30-05-2015, 12:28 AM

The sentiment is heartwarming but - not to rain on the parade - but they could quite easily have made his injuries worse or ended up hurting someone else...

MTVN · 30-05-2015, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The sentiment is heartwarming but - not to rain on the parade - but they could quite easily have made his injuries worse or ended up hurting someone else...

I don't know, all they could ever do with a bus like that is lift it a couple of inches to get him out, don't think they could have made it worse

I'd be more disconcerted over the guy who thought it reasonable to ride a unicycle down a busy London street

Kizzy · 30-05-2015, 02:02 AM

They could if they released pressure from a severed artery he'd bleed out... dragging him free could've also caused spinal injury but who cares they moved a bus!

Ninastar · 30-05-2015, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The sentiment is heartwarming but - not to rain on the parade - but they could quite easily have made his injuries worse or ended up hurting someone else...

i just laughed so much omfg... I can imagine the headlines now

'50 London civilians have been killed trying to save one cyclist who was trapped under a double decker bus.'

Cherie · 30-05-2015, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The sentiment is heartwarming but - not to rain on the parade - but they could quite easily have made his injuries worse or ended up hurting someone else...

I get what you are saying, but in the heat of the moment I think they did the right thing, well done Londoners

Toy Soldier · 30-05-2015, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't know, all they could ever do with a bus like that is lift it a couple of inches to get him out, don't think they could have made it worse

I'd be more disconcerted over the guy who thought it reasonable to ride a unicycle down a busy London street

Well to start with as Kizzy has replied,

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

They could if they released pressure from a severed artery he'd bleed out... dragging him free could've also caused spinal injury but who cares they moved a bus!

From people's description of the injury it sounds like his leg was badly crushed (probably between the bus wheel and the bike - ouch). From one witness description in the link it sounds like he may well have lost his leg in hospital, unless they're exaggerating. For all the people knew, the pressure of the bus was all that was holding his leg together, and releasing him could have caused him to bleed to death in seconds via the major femoral artery. Alternatively, even the artery was fine at this point, they could have lifted it an inch but then slipped before he was free and severed the artery themselves. And then yes there's always the risk of spinal injury, although it may have been obvious that it was just his leg that was crushed (from the pictures and descriptions of his injury).

Basically... Yes it sounds like the man was in agony, but unless his life was in immediate danger (e.g. If it looked like he was already bleeding out and there was no way to stop the bleeding without moving him) then they should have waited for an ambulance to assess his injury and the fire service to jack up the bus...

Makes a less interesting story, though

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Cherie · 30-05-2015, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well to start with as Kizzy has replied,

From people's description of the injury it sounds like his leg was badly crushed (probably between the bus wheel and the bike - ouch). From one witness description in the link it sounds like he may well have lost his leg in hospital, unless they're exaggerating. For all the people knew, the pressure of the bus was all that was holding his leg together, and releasing him could have caused him to bleed to death in seconds via the major femoral artery. Alternatively, even the artery was fine at this point, they could have lifted it an inch but then slipped before he was free and severed the artery themselves. And then yes there's always the risk of spinal injury, although it may have been obvious that it was just his leg that was crushed (from the pictures and descriptions of his injury).

Basically... Yes it sounds like the man was in agony, but unless his life was in immediate danger (e.g. If it looked like he was already bleeding out and there was no way to stop the bleeding without moving him) then they should have waited for an ambulance to assess his injury and the fire service to jack up the bus...

Makes a less interesting story, though

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Shame you weren't there to advise , who knows maybe there was a medic in the crowd?

Toy Soldier · 30-05-2015, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

I get what you are saying, but in the heat of the moment I think they did the right thing, well done Londoners

It's not the right thing, though, even officially... The highway code is quite clear about the fact that you should never move a road traffic accident victim unless they are in clear imminent danger. There can even be questions about it in the driving theory test. If you chose the "I'd move them" option, it would be the wrong answer!

Toy Soldier · 30-05-2015, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Shame you weren't there to advise , who knows maybe there was a medic in the crowd?

If there was and they advised this then I hope they're up for review

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Cherie · 30-05-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not the right thing, though, even officially... The highway code is quite clear about the fact that you should never move a road traffic accident victim unless they are in clear imminent danger. There can even be questions about it in the driving theory test. If you chose the "I'd move them" option, it would be the wrong answer!

Jesus, by the book eh remind me not to be with you during a diaster

Toy Soldier · 30-05-2015, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Jesus, by the book eh remind me not to be with you during a diaster

There's a reason for it, though, if you don't know what you're doing you could kill or paralyse someone. It's different if you know no help is coming and have no choice, then you have to take the risk, but the emergency services would have been on the scene for this pretty quickly.

Ammi · 30-05-2015, 10:02 AM

..he was conscious..?..there is always the danger of him falling into unconsciousness with his injuries and pain, which could have happened at any second and then every second it took for the paramedics to get there would have been of vital importance for possible brain damage and the extent of it...I agree TS, of course it was against 'the correct way'...but in this particular case, he is being cared for in hospital and hopefully will recover and have a good quality to his life if he does lose his leg..and I would imagine be so thankful to those people..it won't change and doesn't change any correct medical procedure for any other situation in the future...he could have been paralysed or could have lost his life....or he could have had severe brain damage or a degree of brain damage or could have lost his life...