[arista]

[The Schengen Agreement was
signed by Belgium, France, German,
Luxembourg and the Netherlands
in June 1985, and created
a passport-free travel zone.
All 26 European countries
that are part of the area
have removed checkpoints
between each other,
creating a single external border]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3kYZL6NnL


Hungary can not handle the High Numbers.


The German Merkel woman
can not tell us to take more
Go and have them in your Fat Nation

[Kizzy]

'The image of a Syrian child face down in the sand after his tiny body was washed ashore has sparked international outcry over the failure to find a solution to the migrant crisis.
This is what we know so far about the young boy, who was found washed up on Bodrum beach in Turkey.
The toddler has been named by Turkish media as three-year-old Aylan Kurdi.
Aylan is reportedly from the town of Kobani in Syria, which has seen heavy fighting between IS militants and Kurdish forces.
According to Canadian media, the family were trying to reach Canada, where an aunt has lived for 20 years
The National Post reports that the family had previously tried and failed to obtain a privately-sponsored refugee visa in June.
The hashtag "KiyiyaVuranInsanlik" - "humanity washed ashore" became the top trending topic on Twitter after an image of Aylan, who was found washed up on a beach near Bodrum, Turkey, was shared online.
The picture has sparked international outcry over the failure to find a solution to the migrant crisis.
Aylan is believed to have died alongside his five-year-old brother Galip, who had been travelling in the same boat.
The boys are believed to be two of 11 Syrian refugees who died after trying to cross the Mediterranean on two boats bound for the Greek island of Kos.
The two boats, carrying a total of 23 people, had set off separately from the Akyarlar area of the Bodrum peninsula.'

http://www.itv.com/news/2015-09-02/w...ach-in-turkey/

[smudgie]

It's a right old mess.
Hungary seem to have the right idea, making sure people are legally allowed to travel before letting them on their way.
Perhaps if the borders were put back it would put people off risking their lives and their kids lives crossing the sea.
Time to look closer to home for a solution, perhaps on their own Continent, there must be some safe havens surely.

[empire]

the more we let in, the more the far right will gain power, in europe, if parties will put the interests of outsiders first, rather than the voters, then you can't blame the voters for heading for the right wing parties,

[Niamh.]

After seeing that picture of that dead little boy, I just can't understand the lack of empathy coming from people on this subject

[Kizzy]

Some things just never change... this island mentality being just one, the opinion of 3rd generation immigrants really baffle me however, this article is from 2002 but relevant.

'There's a doleful little game that staff at the Refugee Council sometimes play. They show visitors press cuttings about refugees and asylum seekers from the 1900s, 1930s and today, and ask them to guess when they were published. Most people get it wrong. They assume that Jewish refugees were welcomed, at least in the 1930s, with a tolerance that has traditionally been seen as a beacon of Britishness. They're shocked to discover that rabid intolerance - among both press and government - has a strong British pedigree. As Tony Kushner, professor of history at the University of Southampton, says, "The Daily Mail has been an anti-alien newspaper since the 1900s. There's great continuity.'

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/j...publicservices

[Niamh.]

^ Refugees from WW11 is a good example actually, I didn't know how well those people were received but people like to look back and think they would have helped them, why is now any different? Why are these people less human than those?

All I know is if I was in their shoes I'd probably be trying to get out too

[Cherie]

A guy called into 5live this am saying he previously supported UKIPs stance on immigrants but having spoken to refugees at first hand during a holiday to Cos he changed his mind, he said it was heartbreaking to see families carrying their possessions as they fled war zones, I think this picture and the story behind it might actually go some way to Europe actually tackling this crisis rather than ignoring it

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

^ Refugees from WW11 is a good example actually, I didn't know how well those people were received but people like to look back and think they would have helped them, why is now any different? Why are these people less human than those?

All I know is if I was in their shoes I'd probably be trying to get out too

Also we took on a lot of refugees in WW2 and the economy was really quite bad back then.. idk why people are acting like we can't afford them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Also we took on a lot of refugees in WW2 and the economy was really quite bad back then.. idk why people are acting like we can't afford them.

Greed, Also we are confusing economic migrants with refugees which is what they are

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Also we took on a lot of refugees in WW2 and the economy was really quite bad back then.. idk why people are acting like we can't afford them.

Yeah I was talking about WW2

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Greed, Also we are confusing economic migrants with refugees which is what they are

It's so sad. I'm really glad though that people seem to be waking up a little bit with compassion towards these refugees.

Thing is, if these syrian refugees were economic migrants then 1.2 million of them wouldn't have gone to Turkey and 1.8 million would not have gone to Lebanon. We took 147 of them by the way, which is appalling considering the economy we have.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I was talking about WW2

My bad.

If I remember rightly from history though, a lot of the children back then were evacuated.. many to other countries. Thank god they didn't decide their economies were too weak and they had 'a housing crisis'.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

My bad.

If I remember rightly from history though, a lot of the children back then were evacuated.. many to other countries. Thank god they didn't decide their economies were too weak and they had 'a housing crisis'.

yep and as an Irish person, I'm disgusted by the attitudes I'm hearing from fellow Irish people over here when Ireland had a similar situation during the Potato famine in the 19th century when Irish people tried to escape to other countries in order to survive, on ships that were known as Coffin Ships ..........I'm sure you can guess why they were called that

[rubymoo]

It's a complete and utter mess, my heart goes out to the families who are fleeing from persecution and a better life, i think these people need to be fast tracked, and is there no way the whole world can help out?

The problem is that IS promised to send thousands of militants into Europe, who's to say they aren't filtering in with the desperate refugees? Plotting their next move?

There's no way of knowing who these people are, their intentions, or their past.

I know in my heart that if i was in danger and so were my family, then i also would be fleeing, and i would hope that there would be help, but we now live in a highly dangerous and suspicious world, on one hand the human side says help these people and yet on the other hand these people could potentially threaten our country.

Of course these are my opinions and i hope i haven't offended anyone, i know if there were refugees in my town living on the street/park i would be one of the first ones there helping out.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

yep and as an Irish person, I'm disgusted by the attitudes I'm hearing from fellow Irish people over here when Ireland had a similar situation during the Potato famine in the 19th century when Irish people tried to escape to other countries in order to survive, on ships that were known as Coffin Ships ..........I'm sure you can guess why they were called that

I find Some Irish people to be extremely racist and xenophobic

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

It's a complete and utter mess, my heart goes out to the families who are fleeing from persecution and a better life, i think these people need to be fast tracked, and is there no way the whole world can help out?

The problem is that IS promised to send thousands of militants into Europe, who's to say they aren't filtering in with the desperate refugees? Plotting their next move?

There's no way of knowing who these people are, their intentions, or their past.

I know in my heart that if i was in danger and so were my family, then i also would be fleeing, and i would hope that there would be help, but we now live in a highly dangerous and suspicious world, on one hand the human side says help these people and yet on the other hand these people could potentially threaten our country.

Of course these are my opinions and i hope i haven't offended anyone, i know if there were refugees in my town living on the street/park i would be one of the first ones there helping out.

There does need to be some form of processing, the buck passing is disgusting

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There does need to be some form of processing, the buck passing is disgusting

Maybe they could ask everyone if they want to relocate, get the whole world on the move, if people from this country want to move to other countries, (for example i'd like to give Canada a shot) then let us go to Cananda and that leaves 4 places in the UK to be filled.

[Kizzy]

Seen my sig Ruby? many are terrified into going along with whatever inhumane actions our govt suggested because of the 'threat' of terrorism.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Seen my sig Ruby? many are terrified into going along with whatever inhumane actions our govt suggested because of the 'threat' of terrorism.

Yeah i get that Kizzy and sadly there are a lot of people who are scared, how i see it is the migrants are here now, there's a situation that needs dealing with and the migrants need processing asap, we can't let the threat of terrorism point us in the wrong direction, and i'm a big believer in what will be will be, to me this is a world problem, even though they are on European soil.

I would gladly accept those plane tickets and citizenship into Canada though!

[Ammi]

..some of the comments on one of the news pages below the image of the Syrian child are quite shocking and lacking in any compassion at all...


Go to another African state, there are other safe countries other than Europe. All they do is DEMAND! They want to be drip fed benefits!


Oh that old trick. Using kids to pull at the heart strings. It's the same with the ads on TV the charities use to get more money out of gullible people


Take them in now and in a few years it will be the your Anglo-Saxon non Muslim descendants that will be lying face down in the road. Sad but true



Aesop explained, many centuries ago, that the injured snake you pity and care for will bite you when it recovers.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..some of the comments on one of the news pages below the image of the Syrian child are quite shocking and lacking in any compassion at all...


Go to another African state, there are other safe countries other than Europe. All they do is DEMAND! They want to be drip fed benefits!


Oh that old trick. Using kids to pull at the heart strings. It's the same with the ads on TV the charities use to get more money out of gullible people


Take them in now and in a few years it will be the your Anglo-Saxon non Muslim descendants that will be lying face down in the road. Sad but true



Aesop explained, many centuries ago, that the injured snake you pity and care for will bite you when it recovers.

Pretty shocking and sad

[Kizzy]

Because ' I'm alright jack' is the phrase that trips off the tongue, all countries that have had a hand in the destabilisation of the area for whatever reason has an obligation to be part of the solution.

[kirklancaster]

There ARE genuine tragic cases, and I grieve just as much as anyone for innocent children and genuine refugees, and - yes - something must be worked out to help these genuine refugees, but - I'm sorry - the pic above which Arista posted, and a thousand others, are telling by the fact that they are 99.99% YOUNG MEN.

The GREAT MAJORITY of these 'refugees' are flooding Europe through 'ASPIRATION' not 'DESPERATION'.

I'm sorry, but it is a fact.

And it is another fact that the UK CANNOT accommodate ALL those desiring to come here - no matter how much we may wish it, and no matter how many times we say that it is 'THE HUMANITARIAN' thing to do.

What is urgently needed is a thorough vetting procedure to ensure that all the fit young men who are fleeing from NOTHING are refused entry so that GENUINE refugees CAN be allowed entry into the UK with all the help we can - then - afford to give them.

Sorry.

[Toy Soldier]

I just can't with this ****, from people who have the gall to call others less than human. Most of these are normal people who were living just fine in their own countries until their world was destroyed. Our countries didn't just play "a part" in that destruction, they are at the very heart of it, and yet it's excuse after excuse for why we can't do more to help them. Selfishness, greed and paranoia. That's our world now.

Let's face it, the world is crumbling. It has a couple of centuries left in it at absolute ****ing maximum, so yeah, I think we can afford to spend the time we have left helping others to live their lives today rather than rejecting them in some desperate and hopeless scrabble to "have more for ourselves" tomorrow.