[arista]

Typical.




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35504185


One Lady just live on BBCNewsHD
said she will now switch to Conservative.

[A Muslim women's group has written to Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn
claiming women have been stopped from
becoming councillors by Muslim men in the party.
Muslim Women's Network UK demanded an
inquiry into "systematic misogyny displayed by
significant numbers of Muslim male local councillors".
"They don't like women to be heard,
to be empowered," it told BBC Newsnight.]

[joeysteele]

Well she was likely never really Labour in the first place IF she is heading to the current Conservatives,this Conservative leadership and cabinet as to its policies, is against almost everything that the Labour party at any time has ever stood for.

IF this is happening it needs to be fully and openly investigated and dealt with strongly.

However, if there is one party that in no way should be seen as a home for disgruntled Labour members,then that Party is the present Conservative party.
If she thinks at all like this present Conservative party, then for me, they are welcome to her and good riddance to her and anyone thinking like her too.

[Kizzy]

What? and she feels safe in the knowledge she won't be marginalised by conservatives?...yeah, good luck there love.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well she was likely never really Labour in the first place IF she is heading to the current Conservatives,this Conservative leadership and cabinet as to its policies, is against almost everything that the Labour party at any time has ever stood for.

IF this is happening it needs to be fully and openly investigated and dealt with strongly.

However, if there is one party that in no way should be seen as a home for disgruntled Labour members,then that Party is the present Conservative party.
If she thinks at all like this present Conservative party, then for me, they are welcome to her and good riddance to her and anyone thinking like her too.

Yes the Labour Leader can not Hide
from this problem
He must speak about this
or its going Front Page

[Vicky.]

I don't see what Corbyn is meant to do about the backwards attitudes of the Muslim male counselors that she speaks about?

[LeatherTrumpet]

the religion of peace at it again?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't see what Corbyn is meant to do about the backwards attitudes of the Muslim male counselors that she speaks about?

He Must
They are Labour Councillors

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't see what Corbyn is meant to do about the backwards attitudes of the Muslim male counselors that she speaks about?

I totally agree Vicky. You may not know this, but I am no Corbyn fan but he is not to blame here.

This is the very thin edge of the huge wedge in Islamic equality which is held in place with the aid of Sharia Law - something which caused such a fuss on here on another thread.

Male chauvinism is alive and well and positively thriving among some Islamic men.

I do agree with Arista, that though Corbyn is not to blame for this, he is responsible as Party Leader for investigating it and ferretting out these stone age attitudes towards women amongst the Muslim male party members.

[DemolitionRed]

I'm fairly certain Corbyn will look at this with the seriousness it deserves. As for the woman who's going to go Conservative now; they got it right about her, she was never a serious contender.

[MTVN]

Not surprised that a blind eye would be turned to this sort of thing, in a situation like this Labour can take a much more small c conservative attitude than the actual Conservatives do: we won't disrupt the status quo lest we dare come across as opposed to the Muslim community. It's a bit like how Labour meetings in Oldham had the audience segregated between males and females.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not surprised that a blind eye would be turned to this sort of thing, in a situation like this Labour can take a much more small c conservative attitude than the actual Conservatives do: we won't disrupt the status quo lest we dare come across as opposed to the Muslim community. It's a bit like how Labour meetings in Oldham had the audience segregated between males and females.

Bang on right Matt, which is in itself, a form of allowing PC to determine actions rather than what is right and proper.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm fairly certain Corbyn will look at this with the seriousness it deserves. As for the woman who's going to go Conservative now; they got it right about her, she was never a serious contender.

He will and hopefully sooner rather than later.
As for the lady saying she is going to the Conservatives, good luck to her,heading to the Party already investigating itself for bullying that is alleged to have led to the committing of suicide of one of its members.
So she could be jumping out the frying pan into the fire if she goes there.

I think all Parties have problems as to several things and none are perfect and in fact never will be.
You change things by staying put and working to make things better not running away always looking for that elusive perfect scenario.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think all Parties have problems as to several things and none are perfect and in fact never will be.
You change things by staying put and working to make things better not running away always looking for that elusive perfect scenario.

Exactly. The wonderful thing about politics is, they are constantly evolving and party members are the tools who can influence, improve or even make changes to the bits we don't like.

[bitontheslide]

I think what some are alluding to here is that it is because Labour follow the path of PC correctness much more so than the Tories, it is this "freedom" that has allowed the woman's rejection to take place as no-one has the balls to put the men in their place. An interesting concept.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think what some are alluding to here is that it is because Labour follow the path of PC correctness much more so than the Tories, it is this "freedom" that has allowed the woman's rejection to take place as no-one has the balls to put the men in their place. An interesting concept.

You say this like it's a bad thing...
Are you suggesting conservatives live by different rules to the rest of us? Do as I say not as I do?
Politically correct suggests that is the expected standard. As said there are all kinds of dirty trick at play as said with bullying and recently a leaked email suggesting a smear campaign.
Personally I'd say it was odd this broke at the same time as the suggested smear story too

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You say this like it's a bad thing...
Are you suggesting conservatives live by different rules to the rest of us? Do as I say not as I do?
Politically correct suggests that is the expected standard. As said there are all kinds of dirty trick at play as said with bullying and recently a leaked email suggesting a smear campaign.
Personally I'd say it was odd this broke at the same time as the suggested smear story too

I'm saying what is an undeniable fact the labour party is much more PC aware than the conservative party. As to if thats an insult or not, that's for the reader to decide based on their own opinions

[Toy Soldier]

Tory-plant propaganda?

I'm not saying this doesn't happen, I'm sure it does, and that's a serious issue.

If the article had purely been "Muslim woman marginalised in Labour" and even vaguely mentioned "considers switching to another party", fine.

But no. The article is BASED not on the fact that she feels shut out, but specifically on the fact that she wants to switch from Labour to Conservative.

That is the over-riding message.

Labour smearing? Check. Tory trumpet blowing? Check. Exploitation of current emotive issues (Muslims AND women! Whammy!)? Double check.

Our survey says: *bing bing bing bing* Tory press bullshyeet. .

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Tory-plant propaganda?

I'm not saying this doesn't happen, I'm sure it does, and that's a serious issue.

If the article had purely been "Muslim woman marginalised in Labour" and even vaguely mentioned "considers switching to another party", fine.

But no. The article is BASED not on the fact that she feels shut out, but specifically on the fact that she wants to switch from Labour to Conservative.

That is the over-riding message.

Labour smearing? Check. Tory trumpet blowing? Check. Exploitation of current emotive issues (Muslims AND women! Whammy!)? Double check.

Our survey says: *bing bing bing bing* Tory press bullshyeet. .

The article isn't based on that at all though. It's a report by Muslim Women's Network UK, a group which has also called on the PM to do more to remove the barriers to political participation for ethnic minority women. In fact the Conservatives aren't even mentioned in the OP article, that's just something arista has apparently seen on the news.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The article isn't based on that at all though. It's a report by Muslim Women's Network UK, a group which has also called on the PM to do more to remove the barriers to political participation for ethnic minority women. In fact the Conservatives aren't even mentioned in the OP article, that's just something arista has apparently seen on the news.

On the BBC.... Nuff said.

[JoshBB]

This thread is a few days old but I'm going to put my comments here anyway. If what she says is true, then that's disgusting because nobody should be prevented into parliament on the basis of their religion, and Labour should be ashamed. But somehow I doubt that the party who elected the first two muslim women MPs is worse for muslims' opportunity than the tories. Labour also has pretty good affirmative action as far as I have researched (and even those against 'positive discrimination' would agree with that), and for that reason I cannot imagine they would actively discriminate against muslim women.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

This thread is a few days old but I'm going to put my comments here anyway. If what she says is true, then that's disgusting because nobody should be prevented into parliament on the basis of their religion, and Labour should be ashamed. But somehow I doubt that the party who elected the first two muslim women MPs is worse for muslims' opportunity than the tories. Labour also has pretty good affirmative action as far as I have researched (and even those against 'positive discrimination' would agree with that), and for that reason I cannot imagine they would actively discriminate against muslim women.

We're talking about councillors, not MPs, so Parliament isn't in the equation. Government and local government are not the same things.

There is a selection process when you become a councillor. If you plan to represent a party and not stand as an independent you have firstly to apply and become an approved candidate. After you are approved you are put forward for selection. It is at that selection, by the party involved, that you are either chosen to stand as a candidate for the party, or you are not. I'm sure lots of people get as far as selection and are not chosen. I doubt very much this woman was not selected because she's a Muslim, it's more likely it's because she didn't have the experience or that there was a much better candidate.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

This thread is a few days old but I'm going to put my comments here anyway. If what she says is true, then that's disgusting because nobody should be prevented into parliament on the basis of their religion, and Labour should be ashamed. But somehow I doubt that the party who elected the first two muslim women MPs is worse for muslims' opportunity than the tories. Labour also has pretty good affirmative action as far as I have researched (and even those against 'positive discrimination' would agree with that), and for that reason I cannot imagine they would actively discriminate against muslim women.

you seem to be suggesting muslim men wouldn't discriminate against muslim women ? which is what seems to be happening here

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

We're talking about councillors, not MPs, so Parliament isn't in the equation. Government and local government are not the same things.

There is a selection process when you become a councillor. If you plan to represent a party and not stand as an independent you have firstly to apply and become an approved candidate. After you are approved you are put forward for selection. It is at that selection, by the party involved, that you are either chosen to stand as a candidate for the party, or you are not. I'm sure lots of people get as far as selection and are not chosen. I doubt very much this woman was not selected because she's a Muslim, it's more likely it's because she didn't have the experience or that there was a much better candidate.

It does state in the article she did not have the support of even her own father as well as other men in her party specifically due to gender issues.
How can we aid women to break down these walls especially within these communities if we deny they exist?
She has very honestly suggested that patriarchal attitudes contributed to her non selection, that sentiment is echoed by others, to not acknowledge it is not progressive.