[kirklancaster]

HERE IS SOME TRUTH TO THINK ABOUT:

1) Most MEPS are taking up to £200,000 00 per year from their 'jobs' on the Brussel's 'GRAVY TRAIN'.

2) That INCLUDES Farage should he so wish.

3) What type of DISHONEST man fights tooth and nail for 17 years to see his country exit the corrupt mess of an EU, and VOTE himself out of a £200K pa Job?

4) Farage has no ulterior motive for fighting so long for Brexit.

5) Any fools accusing Farage of wanting the UK out because he hates Immigrants, OVERLOOK the fact, that he could have NOT fought for Brexit for 17 years, KEPT HIS BIG FAT SALARY from the EU GRAVY TRAIN, and STILL been PUBLICLY AND RADICALLY ANTI-IMMIGRATION.

6. Another point overlooked by his detractors - HOW DOES FARAGE GIVING UP HIS CUSHY MEP JOB FOR THE PRIME REASON OF STOPPING IMMIGRATION VIA BREXIT, MAKE ANY SENSE IF HE KNEW THAT BREXIT WOULD NOT STOP IMMIGRATION - AS SOME OF YOU MAINTAIN HE KNEW?

No, Farage is THE most honest political figure in the UK.

Now:

Now let us take a look at Dave Cameron, to see if HIS excruciatingly dishonest, all out assault to KEEP us in the EU, could have had any ulterior motives:

OOPS:

SAMANTHA CAMERON'S FATHER RAKES IN MILLIONS IN EU SUBSIDIES

DAVID Cameron's aristocrat father-in-law is raking in millions of pounds in taxpayer-funded EU farming subsidies, an investigation by Express.co.uk can reveal.

Sir Reginald Adrian Berkeley Sheffield, 8th Baronet, receives eye-watering sums of money from Brussels to help fund the upkeep of his sprawling Lincolnshire estate.

The aristocrat, who is the father of Samantha Cameron, is just one of a number of wealthy landowners who get huge pots of cash paid out by the EU's controversial Common Agricultural Policy (CAP).

Today an investigation by this website exposes how the 58 billion Euro (£46BN) scheme, which was set up to help impoverished farmers, is now being exploited by Britain's landed elite to bankroll their huge inherited estates.

Amazingly the taxpayer-funded programme is handing over hundreds of millions of pounds of our cash to rich aristocrats, fox hunting associations and local councils.

The revelation Sir Reginald is such a large recipient will prove hugely embarrassing for Mr Cameron, who has been accused of burying a huge "conflict of interest" over his leadership role in the campaign to keep Britain in the EU.

It backs up the assertion put forward in a speech by Iain Duncan Smith this week that Brussels project has become a "force for social injustice" that only benefits the rich.

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) figures hidden from the public but seen by Express.co.uk reveal the PM's father-in-law has received at least £614,577.26 in CAP payments since 2008.

Official figures for the scheme, which has been running in its current format since 1999, do not go back to beyond that, but independent data compiled from Freedom of Information requests by an online watchdog indicate Sir Reginald's companies may have received as much as £2.7million in the last 15 years.

In 2014 alone - the last year for which official figures are available - the Baronet's farming operations received an astonishing £262,442.38 from Brussels.

Of that, £209,965.24 was channeled through Normanby Estate Farms, the company responsible for managing his sprawling 3,000 acre ancestral estate outside Scunthorpe.

A further £38,846.10 was handed over to Normanby Farms Ltd, and £13,631.04 went to the family's overarching parent company, Normanby Estate Holdings Ltd.

Of the total, an overwhelming £232,515.34 was dished out under the 'single area payment scheme' - meaning it was paid to Sir Reginald purely on the basis of how much land he owns.

The rest of the cash was disbursed to help fund various environmentally friendly schemes the aristocrat, who is thought to be worth £20m, has agreed to carry out on his land.
One well-placed source told Express.co.uk: "In my opinion David Cameron has a massive conflict of interest."

Sir Reginald - an Old Etonian who also earns almost £350,000 a year by hosting wind turbines on his land - is not the only member of the landed classes who is raking in huge sums of money from Brussels.

William Pleydell-Bouverie, the 9th Earl of Radnor, was handed £453,618.76 in 2014 to pay for the upkeep of the ancestral seat Longford Castle, near Salisbury in Wiltshire.

The moated estate, which boasts a multi-million pound art collection featuring paintings by a number of classical masters, is administered by a private company called Longford Farms Limited of which the Earl is a director.

One of his principal tenants is Minette Batters, the Deputy President of the National Farmers Union (NFU), who recently broke the organisation's tradition of being politically impartial by coming out strongly in support of Brussels, sparking resignations.

The source said: "I'm sure Minette Batters has been leant on to push the NFU to push the case for staying in the EU."

Elsewhere Ralph George Algernon Percy, 12th Duke of Northumberland, received £149,547.62 through his Northumberland Estates company which manages the family seat at Alnwick Castle, in Northumberland, where Harry Potter was filmed.

The Duke, who owns 130,000 acres of land across the north West, Scotland, Surrey, London and Tyneside, also received £208,587.76 for his holdings south of Edinburgh, whilst £34,203.37 went to companies registered at the Albury Estate, near Guildford, Surrey, which is owned by the Percy family.

And Arthur Charles Valerian Wellesley, the 9th Duke of Wellington, owns the Stratfield Saye Estates Management Company Limited, which received a more modest £10,560.00.

The source, who is well-placed within the farming community, said many members of Britain's elite are now using taxpayer-funded EU cash to bankroll the further expansion of their estates.

They said: "A very small fraction of the wealthiest of the population are 'cleaning up' on the bulk of all the money paid by the EU.

"These very, very wealthy people are getting staggering amounts of money to help them keep castles and art collections and thousands of acres of land.

"Some of these people are extremely influential and it is all inherited - they've done nothing for it."

They added: "These subsidies were designed a long, long time ago to help the small farmers of southern Europe with a dozen sheep on a hillside, but now remarkably you have the wealthiest in the land getting all the agricultural subsidies.

"This all has to be tackled because there's a great deal of unfairness, that the haves are being given huge amounts of money for doing absolutely nothing.

"This is an issue so shrouded in mystery and they aren't going to be very happy at all when all this comes out."

AND - AS WITH ALL THINGS CONCERNING THE 'REMAIN' CAMP - HERE'S A LOVELY TYPICAL PIECE OF CONVOLUTED 'DOUBLE SPEAK':

A spokeswoman for the NFU said CAP payments "did play a part" in its decision to back Brussels, but insisted considerations such as availability of labour and trade with the rest of Europe were also major factors.

She said the decision was not just taken by Mrs Batters but was signed off by 90 members of the NFU Council,*** which represents farmers big and small across the UK, adding that the organisation wanted to "take a stance and show leadership" in the EU debate.

The NFU is not actively campaigning on behalf of the EU, and is not advising its members on how to vote.

KIRK LOVES THAT CONFUSING EU-STYLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 'NFU COUNCIL' AND NFU AND HOW ABOUT:

"the organisation wanted to "take a stance and show leadership" in the EU debate"

BUT - BUT - WAIT FOR IT:

"The NFU is not actively campaigning on behalf of the EU, and is not advising its members on how to vote.".

"Take a stance and show leadership, but is not actively campaigning on behalf of the EU and not advising its members how to vote"Show - That's PRIME B.S. HOWEVER YOU LOOK AT IT.

PREDICTABLY; "Normanby Estate Farms did not return our calls. A spokesman for the Prime Minister declined to comment."


Remember my; 'Sheriff of Nottingham Tax'? - The ROBBING of the POOR to pay to the RICH? Well this is just that.

If I asked all of you to each find 10,000 ordinary, TAX PAYING FAMILIES who were STRUGGLING, and to take say, £30 per week from them, pool it, then send ALL the £300,000 to Sir Reginald Adrian Berkeley Sheffield, 8th Baronet, who earns over £500,000 per year and is worth at least £20 million pounds - you would tell me to FECK OFF.

But this is EXACTLY for the best part of 4 decades while we have been in the EU.

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN: IT IS THE BIGGEST 'MONEY LAUNDERING SCAM' EVER CREATED AND DAMAGES THE POOR AND VULNERABLE.

Every Billion pounds that we pay the EU, the EU takes its MASSIVE SHARE then pays GRANTS and SUBSIDIES of WHAT IS LEFT of our OWN MONEY, but SUCH is the TOTALLY BRILLIANTLY CONCEIVED SCAM, the BULK of that money NEVER REACHES those WHOSE TAX MONEY PAID IT - IT IS LEGALLY DIVERTED TO THE 10% CORPORATE ELITE who ARE ALREADY WEALTHY beyond DECENCY.

AS I SAI

"From EACH regardless of his NEED, to EACH according to his GREED"

THIS IS WHY CAMERON AND HIS ELITIST CRONIES AND THE EU OVERLORDS ARE SO DESPERATE TO KEEP BRITAIN IN THE EU.

MORE TO FOLLOW.

[Liberty4eva]

Nigel Farage seems like a very honest and sincere man. I saw an interview with him last night and he is concerned that the issues raised during the Brexit campaign are being sidelined. He clearly wants to lose his job as quickly as possible. You guys should make him PM.

[Kizzy]

And the poorest boroughs, what about their EU funding? The MP for Middlesborough yesterday was saying how the loss of EU funding to his town will be catastrophic...what do we say to them?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And the poorest boroughs, what about their EU funding? The MP for Middlesborough yesterday was saying how the loss of EU funding to his town will be catastrophic...what do we say to them?

Kizzy, if this town gets money from the EU, then where does the EU get that money? Does it fall from the sky and land in the EU parliament or something?

[reece(:]

Farage is a joke, CAPITALISED words won't change that

[letmein]

Farage never in a million years though it would pass thus never saw an end to his gravy train.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And the poorest boroughs, what about their EU funding? The MP for Middlesborough yesterday was saying how the loss of EU funding to his town will be catastrophic...what do we say to them?

Pay me HALF A TRILLION POUNDS and I WILL FUND THEM.

It is our OWN money, and instead of we Brits being in a state of denial, or whinging and whining - it is time to ACCEPT the MANY ugly TRUTHS about the EU, and STAY OUT, so we the people, can ORGANISE ourselves - regardless of outdated Red or Blue political persuasions - and FORCE OUR SO_CALLED GOVERNMENT TO SAVE BILLIONS OF POUNDS OF OUR MONEY FROM GOING INTO THEIRS AND THEIR CRONIES AND THE EU OVERLORD'S PRIVATE POCKETS, before a TINY FRACTION OF WHAT IS LEFT IS THROWN 'CRUMB-LIKE' BACK TO THE UK TO APPEASE THE PEASANTS.

I WILL HELP ORGANISE IT IF NEED BE.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by letmein

Farage never in a million years though it would pass thus never saw an end to his gravy train.

IT WAS FARAGE WHO EXPOSED THE GRAVY TRAIN.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Farage is a joke, CAPITALISED words won't change that

No - you are right, and no matter how many times you say he is a joke does not make him one.

And THE STYLE I choose to type in has nothing to do with the issue, unless you want to get personal?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Kizzy, if this town gets money from the EU, then where does the EU get that money? Does it fall from the sky and land in the EU parliament or something?

From the EU member states, my question is where will Middlesboro get it's funding from now?

[Johnnyuk123]

Nigel is well on his way to a Knighthood and rightly so.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

From the EU member states, my question is where will Middlesboro get it's funding from now?

Couldn't the UK money that they send to the EU just be sent to this town? I am not sure you fully understand that you will have more money to do what you want with now.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

No, Farage is THE most honest political figure in the UK.

For a thread entitled "the TRUTH", this sounds awfully like an opinion, not a fact

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

For a thread entitled "the TRUTH", this sounds awfully like an opinion, not a fact

Kirk does not lie.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

From the EU member states, my question is where will Middlesboro get it's funding from now?

I just answered you above,and Liberty4eva reiterated - just as with the NHS and other services, it is UP TO US to FORCE OUR SERVANTS, THE GOVERNMENT, to take over the EU subsidies. After discarding those to their ELITIST cronies of course.

I am being deadly serious - we have had the Governments we have deserved, and it is time that we all took CONTROL of what ALL these Corrupt bastards do with the power and the money once we have given it to them.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

HIS excruciatingly dishonest,

Again, this is just an opinion, without evidence that he lied at any point.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

For a thread entitled "the TRUTH", this sounds awfully like an opinion, not a fact

Do you require help pointing you to ALL the facts? Why don't you debunk them then?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

Again, this is just an opinion, without evidence that he lied at any point.

Stick with this thread and you will have ALL the FACTS that he DEILIBERATELY LIED that any reasonable person could wish for. I am only just beginning.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Do you require help pointing you to ALL the facts? Why don't you debunk them then?

It's the job of the person making the claim to provide evidence. There is no way of knowing or even measuring who the most honest political figure in the UK is, therefore it is simply an opinion, and not the "TRUTH".

I'm happy to concede David Cameron is dishonest if ypu can show me evidence of a lie he has told.

[MB.]

I'm not sure why you're trying to persuade people to your case considering the vote was held nearly a week ago and the disastrous economic effects and mass-public racism orgy to which it led can be seen as clear as day

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I just answered you above,and Liberty4eva reiterated - just as with the NHS and other services, it is UP TO US to FORCE OUR SERVANTS, THE GOVERNMENT, to take over the EU subsidies. After discarding those to their ELITIST cronies of course.

I am being deadly serious - we have had the Governments we have deserved, and it is time that we all took CONTROL of what ALL these Corrupt bastards do with the power and the money once we have given it to them.

Of the £34 million that farage stated we send to the EU how much will be spent on Middlesboro then given that george osborne has stated we are entering a new phase of austerity?

My guess is none as they all lied.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Kirk does not lie.

Thank you Johnny - I am here to be shot down if I do lie, or debunked with counter facts.

I am so sick of all the mistruths about the EU, that I decided to do this thread, and I was hoping to get away from being sniped or adverse comments being made which have nothing to do with the issues being posted.

This 'Referendum' fracas is beyond political persuasions or political figure fan bases - it will create a huge schism in Great Britain if it is not TRUTHFULLY discussed and some sort of resolution reached.

[Liberty4eva]

One thing I don't see from any of the pro-EUers is disgust with the gravy-train in Brussels. Are there any Remainers who have the guts to at least admit how disgusting the whole system is?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

It's the job of the person making the claim to provide evidence. There is no way of knowing or even measuring who the most honest political figure in the UK is, therefore it is simply an opinion, and not the "TRUTH".

I'm happy to concede David Cameron is dishonest if ypu can show me evidence of a lie he has told.

He said he would not step down as MP. There you go.

[Toy Soldier]

Looking forward to being £30 a week better off then!

...except that I, you, and everyone else knows that that is not going to happen. Not ONE of these "hard working" individuals you talk about is going to be financially better off in any real way for being out of the EU. Do you think the govt. will cut any of the tax that currently goes out to the EU? Not a chance. Will any of the towns or areas that receive EU help currently, have that help mirrored by London once we are out? Highly unlikely.

So yeah. The people being "ripped off" by the EU right now in your example are NOT going to be any better off now that we're out. It's bull****. At the same time, the overall cost of removing ourselves from the EU is ---DEFINITELY--- going to hurt the vulnerable most. You know it.

So what is the point? No real person's real life is going to be any better in any real way for any of this. Utter mess.