[Liberty4eva]

If you had a vote, who would you vote for?

[Brother Leon]

Jill Stein, which would be a wasted vote. The main two are beyond dreadful.

[Shaun]

Wouldn't consider a Trump presidency worthy enough to entertain the third options even if they were to become more serious contenders in the future.

I don't vote between Lab/Con over here but then the alternative PM candidates are rarely as dangerous and embarrassing as Trump.

[Vicky.]

Hilary but only because its realistically going to be between her and Trump. Much like in our elections, I usually only vote Labour as its always between them and the tories...otherwise I would vote differently

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Hillary. I like Jill Stein but the possibility of a Trump presidency would be too terrifying to contemplate voting for anyone other than the democrat.

[the truth]

i would have to abstain both candidates are appalling

[Maru]

Well, I voted in the US primary for Cruz in TX when at the time he was still able to defeat Trump. I wanted to avoid an inevitable Hillary/Trump ticket and even that vote I wasn't 100% happy with. (I was OK with it)

Personally, I don't feel responsible enough for the overall outcome to vote for either Trump or Hillary. I would not like to see a Trump win, but on the other hand why should I go completely against my principles and give my vote to Hillary when only a small percentage of the population could be bothered to attend the primary. If people don't like the ticket then they should've voted in the primary, those bastards. It's that simple.

So yes, it's a "wasted" vote in some people's eyes, but I'm not voting to please the majority.

I was thinking about Green party but then I read Jill Stein was more or less advocating for a Trump win by splitting the vote against Hillary to stop "neoliberalism" which also stops "neofascism" (or some crap). Her intentions seem suspect. Here's the quote.

What we know from history, and what we know from the current situation, we are seeing a rise in right-wing extremism, not just in the United States, and it’s not just Donald Trump, it’s also throughout countries in Europe. What is driving this? It is policies like NAFTA, like globalization, like the dominance of the banks, like the Wall Street bailouts, like the Wall Street meltdown thanks to deregulation. Who gave us those policies? The Clintons were leading the way on those policies! The answer to neo-fascism is stopping neo-liberalism. Putting another Clinton in the White House will fan the flames of this right-wing extremism. We have known that for a long time ever since Nazi Germany. We are going to stand up to Donald Trump and to stand up to Hillary Clinton!

I don't know much about Gary Johnson but I may go that route even though in general I don't agree with what most libertarians I have had the pleasure to debate with. Though I do want to see more financial responsibility in our government and feel it's more important than some of the other more popular issues going on.

Tbqf, I'd be fine with a write-in or a "no confidence" vote at this point.

[joeysteele]

No doubt in my mind at all Hilary Clinton.

[Pete.]

Delete this I voted Trump by accident!!!

I meant to vote for miss Hillary!

[Toy Soldier]

I have some serious reservations about Hildawg but I would find myself in the position of having to vote for her, simply because the implications of someone like Trump getting that sort of power, with the messages he's been spreading, are unthinkable.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by the truth

i would have to abstain both candidates are appalling

Me too

[bitontheslide]

i wouldn't vote either, but one of these two is going to win, and that means a scary next 4 years

[Livia]

Hilary... but only because she's the best of a bad bunch in my opinion.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Delete this I voted Trump by accident!!!

I meant to vote for miss Hillary!

I actually frowned with confusion when I saw your name on the Trump list

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I actually frowned with confusion when I saw your name on the Trump list

A mess

Let me stream Rise for a bit to support Hilary

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Delete this I voted Trump by accident!!!

I meant to vote for miss Hillary!

Saved yourself from a cute drag!

[Kizzy]

Bernie

[Tom4784]

Has to be Hildawg by default.

[Jamie89]

Hilary. I don't know much about the others tbh except Trump, she's pretty lucky he's in the race

Originally Posted by Pete.

A mess

Let me stream Rise for a bit to support Hilary

[BBfanUSA]

There's not one single candidate with redeemable qualities in this election

Trump is just enabling the truthers
Clinton is a bit fishy
Johnson wants essentially small gov and allow big business to run wild
Stein...Stein is the worst of them all, she wants to offset student debt by printing more money...that's not how you offset debt. South America says hi. Plus she recently made a visit to Russia, and was at a state dinner with Putin, and says she wants to shutter every overseas US army base and end every major weapons program (Drones should be sacked but that's not the only program)

What's left? One party issue candidates? Nazi or Communist?

[the truth]

trump could have won this if hed just calmed down with his ott rants, forgotten the petty fighting and started writing some serious policies...he is right on trade right on tariffs right to penalise those companies taking masses of jobs abroad and right to at least address the problem of radical islam jihadism and the problems coming from mexico etc he was right on ttip and right on the brexit situation and corporate greed
trouble is his rhetoric is so ott and his solutions sound bat crazy..hes wrong on bannning all muslims for limited period, he talks tough on isis but where are his plans?
hes worng on guns. hes right to want to keep social security benefits and right to increase veterans payments....but more needs to go to mental health and gun controls too...hes right to want to curb the middle eastern wars too...this is the irony here, hilary will be a much bigger warmonger than trump....shes backed by the people supplying the bombs.....but trumps pro gun stance is absurd....automatic weapons should be 100% banned forever, period

hes all over the place on obamacare too? he never clarifies what he wants to change? he wants premiums down but how? ive no doubt theres zillions wrong with it as its grown so massively so quickly....but private insurance should come down in time with competition and increasing numbers of people...But what is hilary for? Despite endless campaigning and endless awful teleprompter speeches, shes said nothing of any depth on any of these subjects and flip flopped on civil partnerships and gay marriage for donkeys years too...Shes dropped the assassination comments on obama and had her team smear and defraud poor old bernie sanders too

hilary is simply appalling, the decisions shes made to arm the wrong people right across the middle east, then shes used public email accounts to issue these secret orders? all the wepaons have fallen into all the wrong hands, masses of cover ups have ensued , the middle east and radical jihadism has become worse than ever under her 8 year tenure as foreign secretary...shes a corporate lackey to the core...the clintons have been embroiled weith endless corruption and fraudulent business deals for decaes....in fact the nerve of her when she claims trump implied an assassiaation attempt , when she did the exact same to obama in 2008?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by the truth

trump could have won this if hed just calmed down with his ott rants, forgotten the petty fighting and started writing some serious policies...he is right on trade right on tariffs right to enalise those companies taking masses of jobs abroad and right to at least address the problem of radical islam jihadism and the problems coming from mexico etc he was right on ttip and right on the brexit situation and corporate greed
trouble is his rhetoric is so ott and his solutions sound bat crazy..hes wrong on bannning all muslims for limited period, he talks tough on isis but where are his plans?
hes worng on guns. hes right to want to keep social security benefits and right to increase veterans payments....but more needs to go to mental health and gun controls too...hes right to want to curb the middle eastern wars too...this is the irony here, hilary will be a much bigger warmonger than trump....shes backed by the people supplying the bombs.....but trumps pro gun stance is absurd....automatic weapons should be 100% banned forever, period

hes all over the place on obamacare too? he never clarifies what he wants to change? he wants premiums down but how? ive no doubt theres zillions wrong with it as its grown so massively so quickly....but private insurance should come down in time with competition and increasing numbers of people

hilary is simply appalling, the decisions shes made to arm the wrong people right across the middle east, then shes used public email accounts to issue these secret orders? all the wepaons have fallen into all the wrong hands, masses of cover ups have ensued , the middle east and radical jihadism has become worse than ever under her 8 year tenure as foreign secretary...shes a corporate lackey to the core...the clintons have been embroiled weith endless corruption and fraudulent business deals for decaes....in fact the nerve of her when she claims trump implied an assassiaation attempt , when she did the exact same to obama in 2008?

You talk like the election has already been decided. Don't count on it. There are going to be 3 debates and the debates is where Trump is likely to excel and Hillary will sputter (you can't bring a teleprompter there).

One of the things that is hardly ever discussed is the enthusiasm gap between Trump and Hillary. I may be the only person here who can say this but I have been to a Trump rally and have seen Trump in person. The rally I went to was in Houston and the line to get in was the longest line I have ever seen. People were standing outside for hours in the summer humidity. And the ovation he got from 5 thousand or so people who were standing up was so loud. The demographics of the crowd would surprise some people here: men, women, young and old and even sizable number of minorities. There were even a few black people who were selling Trump merchandise to the long line of people as they were waiting.

I don't agree with everything he says (his position on water-boarding repulses me). However, he doesn't want to destroy the US. Angela Merkel and others in Europe are destroying their countries by allowing those Migrants in for what reasons I can only speculate. Hillary, if elected, will follow their example.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

You talk like the election has already been decided. Don't count on it. There are going to be 3 debates and the debates is where Trump is likely to excel and Hillary will sputter (you can't bring a teleprompter there).

One of the things that is hardly ever discussed is the enthusiasm gap between Trump and Hillary. I may be the only person here who can say this but I have been to a Trump rally and have seen Trump in person. The rally I went to was in Houston and the line to get in was the longest line I have ever seen. People were standing outside for hours in the summer humidity. And the ovation he got from 5 thousand or so people who were standing up was so loud. The demographics of the crowd would surprise some people here: men, women, young and old and even sizable number of minorities. There were even a few black people who were selling Trump merchandise to the long line of people as they were waiting.

I don't agree with everything he says (his position on water-boarding repulses me). However, he doesn't want to destroy the US. Angela Merkel and others in Europe are destroying their countries by allowing those Migrants in for what reasons I can only speculate. Hillary, if elected, will follow their example.

Oh howdy neighbor

A deputy friend of ours worked at the rally, but that's about as close as I would come to one. There's just too many altercations or otherwise not so civil things that are going on these days that I wouldn't want to run the risk of getting ransacked in a crowd or bottled for no damn reason. I can get Trump TV 24/7 in my living room just by turning on cable news.

Someone made a good comment on Gawker/Jezebel that I thought was relevant about how debates may actually do Trump a favor. Especially point #3. From this article.

Right now Democrats should be praying Trump drops out of debates.

Ok, I'll bite. And why should they be praying?

3 reasons:

1. Things are going great for them. Trump is a walking, talking campaign ad for Hillary(who people, generally, don’t like much). It’s hard to imagine there are a ton of people supporting Trump right now who aren’t going to support him no matter what. That really leaves nowhere to go but down.

2. The optics of it are good for Democrats. They get to call him a coward who’s ducking the fight.

3. I think there’s a really serious chance Trump “wins” the debate. Not in any serious substantive way, Hillary will be well informed and he’ll spend his time trying to **** in his own hand and throw it at her. The problem is that A) the ****-throwing might play and B) the media’s inherent bias towards conflict and their desire to paint it as a horse-race will probably read any situation where Trump doesn’t get his pants pulled down as a victory for him because he “exceeded expectations” or “avoided a knockout blow” or somesuch. Clinton’s not a great speaker and I don’t think she did well against Bernie when they shared a stage.

My opinion is neither have a choke hold on the narrative in this country so it could still swing either way. This country is more divided than it's people realize and so there's still the risk people may not show up to the polls under the assumption he couldn't win. Many of us never thought he would even make it past the primary and yet here we are...

[EspeonBB]

I don't like Hillary but she's way better than Trump

[the truth]

Originally Posted by EspeonBB

I don't like Hillary but she's way better than Trump

at what?