[King Gizzard]

Coalition of chaos indeed

Mess

[joeysteele]

They've even cancelled a Queens speech for next year too,this one to cover 2 years.

It's said because of brexit but I have a suspicion she and the Cons possibly fear a defeating next year's.

It is a mess, as this deal whenever it comes,by the division it may cause will be shown.

[Jack_]

There's also reports that the DUP have said 'negotiations haven't gone as expected' and that they shouldn't be taken for granted. I do still think the Queen's Speech will pass, but anyone that thinks this government isn't on borrowed time is lying to themselves

You know, the cynic in me wonders if there's any chance there's some political gameplaying going on here. The Tories and the DUP agree to eventually bring down their own administration, let Corbyn try to get legislation passed but make it difficult for him and show him to be ineffective, in the meantime regroup and get a new Tory leader, and then prepare for another election by voting down his government. I've probably just watched too much House of Cards though

[bitontheslide]

if labour were to play this smart, they would approve the queens speech then go for a vote of no confidence at the first failed vote after.

It's a mess for sure, but what to do, people were moaning that they were being propped up by a dodgy group, now its clear they are not .... and people still moan

[Brother Leon]

Let's see how much of a formality the Queens speech is. No way should a proposed government without a Majority pass.

[the truth]

Labour oppose everything anyways, thats what mindless protestors do. But put a protest party in charge and you have serious problems. We only have austerity because of labour in the first place lol They also brought in tuition fee,s hospital car parking charges, deregulation of the banks, which in turn saw banks lend insane amounts of money that could never be paid back in a lifetime...but the liberal students dont get taught that do they...It doesnt suit their left wing agenda to actually teach the full truth... First off,every labour mp would need to buy a calculator each

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if labour were to play this smart, they would approve the queens speech then go for a vote of no confidence at the first failed vote after.

It's a mess for sure, but what to do, people were moaning that they were being propped up by a dodgy group, now its clear they are not .... and people still moan

I genuinely think the best thing Labour can do is allow the Tories to continue to implode. let the speech pass, let them deal with the mess that will be Brexit. If Labour had to deal with it then we would hear for the next 50 years how they bankrupted the country through the Brexit deal and how they can't be trusted, yadayadayada. Like how Labour still get the blame for the global recession.

Leave May to it. The longer she is there the more the party eats itself.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

Labour oppose everything anyways, thats what mindless protestors do. But put a protest party in charge and you have serious problems. We only have austerity because of labour in the first place lol They also brought in tuition fee,s hospital car parking charges, deregulation of the banks, which in turn saw banks lend insane amounts of money that could never be paid back in a lifetime...but the liberal students dont get taught that do they...It doesnt suit their left wing agenda to actually teach the full truth... First off,every labour mp would need to buy a calculator each

The opposition in opposing shocker eh

And we don't have austerity because of Labour. We have austeiry as the Conservatives want it that way. Austerity actually slows growth too, so **** knows why they went down that route...also..the banking crash would have been even worse under the Tories as they wanted LESS regulation on the banks.

[Withano]

Tbf. The tories are better off without them imo. It would completely alienate a lot of their supporters

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Tbf. The tories are better off without them imo. It would completely alienate a lot of their supporters

Yes was a ridiculous attempt at a power grab from May (floundering after not getting the majority she was so certain she would get...awww). Should have just went with minority to start with. Aligning themselves with the DUP did them no favours at all and I am positive a lot of Tory members are unhappy with it

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes was a ridiculous attempt at a power grab from May (floundering after not getting the majority she was so certain she would get...awww). Should have just went with minority to start with. Aligning themselves with the DUP did them no favours at all and I am positive a lot of Tory members are unhappy with it

Completely agree

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes was a ridiculous attempt at a power grab from May (floundering after not getting the majority she was so certain she would get...awww). Should have just went with minority to start with. Aligning themselves with the DUP did them no favours at all and I am positive a lot of Tory members are unhappy with it

No it wasn't, its standard practice and protocol that she has been following. There is a process that is followed when setting up a government, and one thing she shouldn't be criticised for is following that process. The party with the most seats has 30? days to form a government after an election. If she doesn't achieve that then its back to the people and another round of electioneering

Its grim, and May can be criticised for a lot (and rightly so in my opinion) but following due process shouldn't be one of them.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

No it wasn't, its standard practice and protocol that she has been following. There is a process that is followed when setting up a government, and one thing she shouldn't be criticised for is following that process. The party with the most seats has 30? days to form a government after an election. If she doesn't achieve that then its back to the people and another round of electioneering

Its grim, and May can be criticised for a lot (and rightly so in my opinion) but following due process shouldn't be one of them.

I think people are just questioning her personal, and the tories as a whole, moral integrity when the DUP were even considered. All other parties wouldnt touch them with a 50 foot barge pole.
Im not sure if the coalition isnt going ahead out of a lack of want or a lack of success from the tories, but it does work better for them in the long run imo.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There's also reports that the DUP have said 'negotiations haven't gone as expected' and that they shouldn't be taken for granted. I do still think the Queen's Speech will pass, but anyone that thinks this government isn't on borrowed time is lying to themselves

You know, the cynic in me wonders if there's any chance there's some political gameplaying going on here. The Tories and the DUP agree to eventually bring down their own administration, let Corbyn try to get legislation passed but make it difficult for him and show him to be ineffective, in the meantime regroup and get a new Tory leader, and then prepare for another election by voting down his government. I've probably just watched too much House of Cards though

Don't think it would take too much to show him as ineffective.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Coalition of chaos indeed

Mess

Thursday
couple of days, not to bad

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Don't think it would take too much to show him as ineffective.

Trite

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Trite

Trite but true.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Trite but true.

Can you foresee the future, then? Nothing is 'true' until it happens

And yes...I know what your reply will be

[Kizzy]

In Belfast other DUP sources said that “backbiting from Tory backbenchers” against their party had stiffened their resolve to “dig in.”

They said complaints by Tory MPs about having to deal with the DUP had gone down badly.

“They attempted to bounce us into a deal on Saturday night and then we had the backbenchers saying that we were unsavoury etc.

“There is also a feeling within the DUP that if we can get extra spending in Northern Ireland in, say, the local NHS to bring down waiting lists here, then there would be a barrage of complaints from English, Scottish and Welsh Tories over the special treatment our part of the UK was receiving.

“Conservative high command ought to stop their backbenchers whinging about the DUP and show our party some respect,” the DUP sources added.

They think they have the tories over a barrel...they don't the EU have us over that barrel and will NOT allow any concessions for the DUP.

This house of cards is about to fold, wonder what will happen tomorrow...Will there be a queens speech if there is no formal coalition?

[Kizzy]

Tick tock...

The Democratic Unionist Party is believed to be demanding £2bn as its price for propping up Theresa May in power, plunging the talks into fresh jeopardy.

The party wants £1bn pumped into the health service in Northern Ireland and a similar figure for infrastructure projects, the BBC was told.

The huge sums appear to be the roadblock to an agreement, which the Prime Minister desperately needs to guarantee her a Commons majority on key votes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7800766.html

[reece(:]

Tories are going to implode.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Tick tock...

The Democratic Unionist Party is believed to be demanding £2bn as its price for propping up Theresa May in power, plunging the talks into fresh jeopardy.

The party wants £1bn pumped into the health service in Northern Ireland and a similar figure for infrastructure projects, the BBC was told.

The huge sums appear to be the roadblock to an agreement, which the Prime Minister desperately needs to guarantee her a Commons majority on key votes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7800766.html

So they want the Tories to use £2 billion of the public's cash to buy themselves into power? Hmmmm not dodgy at all then.

[Mystic Mock]

DUP would be smart not to get into bed with the Tories after what the Tories did to the Lib Dems in the last coalition.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So they want the Tories to use £2 billion of the public's cash to buy themselves into power? Hmmmm not dodgy at all then.

Can this be explained away? Oh well the NHS can do without a few more beds to make sure Maybot inc maintains power. :/

[Withano]

This entire election just seems fake. Like an elaborate practical joke. A tiny party demanding 2 billion from the largest party so they can both have power. That doesnt sound real! The largest party contemplating using the most backward party that would serve no purpose but alienating a large proportion of their supporters doesnt sound real!

Just call another snap and give Corbyn the win imo.