[Kazanne]

John Venables one half of the cretins that murdered James Bulger is back in prison AGAIN after vile images are found again on his computer, when are the British Judicial system going to wake up and lock this cretin up for life .
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hild-porn.html

and it all rattles on again for Denise and Ralph who really have been let down on this case.

[AnnieK]

Sick bastard....he has proved now that he is incapable of rehabilitation. Time to throw away the key imo

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Sick bastard....he has proved now that he is incapable of rehabilitation. Time to throw away the key imo

Well,Annie we were promised after they came out the young offenders institute they were in that if they broke the law they would be recalled to prison and kept there,this didn't happen with Venables,he was recalled a few years back and let back out again and here we are ,he is back in there,time to stop molly coddling these two,as you say chuck the blooming key away.

[arista]

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

He is in a secure unit,shame they dont let him mingle with the other offenders.

[bitontheslide]

I'm fairly confident that he will get what's coming to him at some point. It's a matter of time, and the hope that he doesn't get the opportunity to destroy anyone elses lives in the meantime

[Kizzy]

He's a psychopath, give him ian bradys cell and leave him there.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm fairly confident that he will get what's coming to him at some point. It's a matter of time, and the hope that he doesn't get the opportunity to destroy anyone elses lives in the meantime

Id be wanting to find out what or who destroyed his life.

[LeatherTrumpet]

this is why he should have been executed and incinerated in a morning, years ago

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

this is why he should have been executed and incinerated in a morning, years ago

Now that sounds more like it .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Id be wanting to find out what or who destroyed his life.

would you really? I think it has already been established he came from an abusive background with no boundaries, given his age when he was incarcerated he has had many years in rehabilitation, something a lot of adults who came from abusive backgrounds never had any access to and have managed to go on and live their lives without resorting to type.

Throw away the key this time, he is a danger to be out on the streets

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

would you really? I think it has already been established he came from an abusive background with no boundaries, given his age when he was incarcerated he has had many years in rehabilitation, something a lot of adults who came from abusive backgrounds never had any access to and have managed to go on and live their lives without resorting to type.

Throw away the key this time, he is a danger to be out on the streets

It's not that simple really, you can't just say that "not all abused kids go bad so theres no reason that any abused kid should go bad"... Psychology is nuanced and complex, and some people simply break.

That said; some broken people are dangerous and "unfixable", and that has to be accepted too. I fully believe that both of those boys are both criminals AND victims, and that tragically one / some of the people guilty for what happened - whoever is responsible for creating the monsters - will never feel the full force of the law for what happened.

In fact, most serial killers and some of the world's most dangerous people were once victims. But that doesn't mean it's safe, or a good idea, to let them back into society. I guess you can compare it to dogs? Pretty much all vicious dogs that attack and maul people have been physically abused extensively. But that doesn't mean it's a good idea to rehome them... They are always going to be a hair away from hurting someone else.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Cherie

would you really? I think it has already been established he came from an abusive background with no boundaries, given his age when he was incarcerated he has had many years in rehabilitation, something a lot of adults who came from abusive backgrounds never had any access to and have managed to go on and live their lives without resorting to type.

Throw away the key this time, he is a danger to be out on the streets

Exactly right, James Bulgers family have had to watch and endure the mollycoddling this vile creature has been unfairly given. He is disgusting.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not that simple really, you can't just say that "not all abused kids go bad so theres no reason that any abused kid should go bad"... Psychology is nuanced and complex, and some people simply break.

That said; some broken people are dangerous and "unfixable", and that has to be accepted too. I fully believe that both of those boys are both criminals AND victims, and that tragically one / some of the people guilty for what happened - whoever is responsible for creating the monsters - will never feel the full force of the law for what happened.

In fact, most serial killers and some of the world's most dangerous people were once victims. But that doesn't mean it's safe, or a good idea, to let them back into society. I guess you can compare it to dogs? Pretty much all vicious dogs that attack and maul people have been physically abused extensively. But that doesn't mean it's a good idea to rehome them... They are always going to be a hair away from hurting someone else.

My point is that he want taken into custody at such a young age that "rehabilitation" if it were going to work in his case would have had some impact by now, he has been in prison longer than he has been with his parents or whoever he lived with, nature v nuture, I go for nature here

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not that simple really, you can't just say that "not all abused kids go bad so theres no reason that any abused kid should go bad"... Psychology is nuanced and complex, and some people simply break.

That said; some broken people are dangerous and "unfixable", and that has to be accepted too. I fully believe that both of those boys are both criminals AND victims, and that tragically one / some of the people guilty for what happened - whoever is responsible for creating the monsters - will never feel the full force of the law for what happened.

In fact, most serial killers and some of the world's most dangerous people were once victims. But that doesn't mean it's safe, or a good idea, to let them back into society. I guess you can compare it to dogs? Pretty much all vicious dogs that attack and maul people have been physically abused extensively. But that doesn't mean it's a good idea to rehome them... They are always going to be a hair away from hurting someone else.

yes and like dogs these people should be exterminated immediately and without hand wringing. Dogs and humans are no different.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Exactly right, James Bulgers family have had to watch and endure the mollycoddling this vile creature has been unfairly given. He is disgusting.

That's right hijaxers, My mom knows this family on the fathers side, he is an absolutely broken man. This thing Venables has had every opportunity to turn his life around,instead he continues to be the vermin and filthy gett he has always been,and the money that we have paid out TWICE for his new identity could have been so much better used,he is an adult now,no excuses lock the pervert up for good, and if people want to see broken,go look up Ralph Bulger and tell him Venables has a hard life,poor sod!!!! they just didn't destroy James (in the most horrendous way)they destroyed his whole family,bastards.

[joeysteele]

This annoys me, this horrific and tragic case was enough for me to ensure this individual was out of society for life.
Here it goes again.
All the opportunities of new identities, no doubt being run after too by professionals as to help,that most could only dream of.

For me however,this in the news again,must constantly tear his Mum and dad apart,having it highlighted again as this person who took away their wonderful son,gets headlines.

The horror of that cruel act must be with them every day anyway, then to have to see what this persons done with new freedom.
Must disgust but really hurt them more and more.

Really sick.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This annoys me, this horrific and tragic case was enough for me to ensure this individual was out of society for life.
Here it goes again.
All the opportunities of new identities, no doubt being run after too by professionals as to help,that most could only dream of.

For me however,this in the news again,must constantly tear his Mum and dad apart,having it highlighted again as this person who took away their wonderful son,gets headlines.

The horror of that cruel act must be with them every day anyway, then to have to see what this persons done with new freedom.
Must disgust but really hurt them more and more.

Really sick.

Imo Joey,justice was never done for James, there was always the do gooders that knew better than anyone else and wanted to go easy on them,yeah,looks like it.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes and like dogs these people should be exterminated immediately and without hand wringing. Dogs and humans are no different.

I personally couldn't ever advocate the death sentence for a child under any circumstances, what sort of world would it be then? However, once they've reached adulthood if they are still clearly dangerous then I think they should at that point be treated as though the original crime was committed by an adult.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I personally couldn't ever advocate the death sentence for a child under any circumstances, what sort of world would it be then? However, once they've reached adulthood if they are still clearly dangerous then I think they should at that point be treated as though the original crime was committed by an adult.

i did not mean as a child I meant as an adult when he reoffended

[jet]

It's absolutely disgusting. No doubt they were spoilt rotten by the do - gooders and given lots of attention by those eager to 'fix' them. They were probably better treated than they would have been if they hadn't committed that horrendous crime and stayed at home and better treated than many children from dysfunctional families.
That dirty murderous bastard needs to stay locked up for ever now.

[Livia]

He should be locked up for the rest of his life. Sadly, there are people already worrying about his rehabilitation and his human rights. They'll make sure he's paroled as soon as possible... and so it goes on. Concerned people will want to find out what makes him tick and try to mend him. Personally I'd be happy to see him hang.

[Lostie!]

Should have never been free to walk the streets in the first place.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Should have never been free to walk the streets in the first place.

Lostie, what's that in your sig? Is it a TV series?
(sorry for being momentarily off-topic)

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

He should be locked up for the rest of his life. Sadly, there are people already worrying about his rehabilitation and his human rights. They'll make sure he's paroled as soon as possible... and so it goes on. Concerned people will want to find out what makes him tick and try to mend him. Personally I'd be happy to see him hang.

I think it is quite important to figure out what "makes him tick" or what clear psychological problems or damage lead to these incidents - though not with the goal being to try to mend or rehabilitate him... I think it's pretty clear that it will never be safe to have him in society; if he's obtaining child porn then it's pretty clear that he still has no empathy in relation to what he did, and he is still getting thrills from kids suffering... Him reoffending and hurting someone is almost a certainty if he got the opportunity.

But it's still worth examining what "created him" in the first place, so that in future, carers / schools / social services etc. are better equipped to identify risk early and intervene long before something tragic happens.

I don't believe that anyone is "born evil" - there is some reason or set of circumstances that turned these kids into cruel murderers.