[Brillopad]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...vin-williamson

I guess it boils down to two main issues. Do we get rid of the few to protect the many or do we put the rights of the few above the rights of the many.

Do we work on the vague and fanciful notion that such people can be ‘reintegrated’ or do we focus on what is more important - the safety of the vast majority of British citizens including our children.

[LeatherTrumpet]

im hoping this gets done anyway, no need to publicise it, just get it done.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

im hoping this gets done anyway, no need to publicise it, just get it done.

Agreed.

[thesheriff443]

The knee jerk reaction Is to kill them, but some will say, they should be put in prison.

We don't kill child killers or serial killers they get put in prison in this country.

My view is, if you take a life, you don't deserve to keep your life.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

The knee jerk reaction Is to kill them, but some will say, they should be put in prison.

We don't kill child killers or serial killers they get put in prison in this country.

My view is, if you take a life, you don't deserve to keep your life.

If we knew they would get life fair enough. But many have come back and are still walking the streets.

Besides these crimes were committed overseas so our main concern has to be for the protection of the people here. We know these people are dangerous and full of hate and it will only be a matter of time.

Why should anyone lose their lives to protect their rights if indeed you believe they have any after what they have done which is commit murder and treason against our country.

[Saph]

kill them tbh

[smudgie]

If they are killed in action then I don't have a problem with it.
If they want to come back then a court of law should deal with them, perhaps in these circumstances they should be tried for treason, and bring back the death penalty for treason. Providing it can be proven they were willing to kill British people then I think that's reasonable.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If we knew they would get life fair enough. But many have come back and are still walking the streets.

Besides these crimes were committed overseas so our main concern has to be for the protection of the people here. We know these people are dangerous and full of hate and it will only be a matter of time.

Why should anyone lose their lives to protect their rights if indeed you believe they have any after what they have done which is commit murder and treason against our country.

People come from all over the world and kill people in this country not in the name of religion.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

People come from all over the world and kill people in this country not in the name of religion.

They do indeed but we generally don’t know who they are beforehand and therefore can do little to stop them.

If you knew a loved one of yours would be a victim of one of the returning jihadists would you still be happy to let them back I wonder. Innocent children could die as the direct result of a decision to let them back. You may think that is a price worth paying - I most certainly don’t.

[Oliver_W]

I've often thought a cheaper and safer solution to monitoring the Jihadis etc would be for them to "meet with accidents" tbh.

[Kizzy]

I don't agree with state sponsored murder no, keep them alive for info radicalisation is real why do you think the govt is pouring so much money in AI?....It works.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

They do indeed but we generally don’t know who they are beforehand and therefore can do little to stop them.

If you knew a loved one of yours would be a victim of one of the returning jihadists would you still be happy to let them back I wonder. Innocent children could die as the direct result of a decision to let them back. You may think that is a price worth paying - I most certainly don’t.

We face a threat from 3000 extremists already in this country, should we kill them just in case they might kill.

We don't even kill those that have killed in this country, instead we prosecute the soldiers that risk their lives to keep us safe.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

We face a threat from 3000 extremists already in this country, should we kill them just in case they might kill.

We don't even kill those that have killed in this country, instead we prosecute the soldiers that risk their lives to keep us safe.

They haven’t committed treason, yet!

Your last point demonstrates what a joke this country is. Our soldiers are heros but have suffered at the hands of PC.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

They haven’t committed treason, yet!

Your last point demonstrates what a joke this country is. Our soldiers are heros but have suffered at the hands of PC.

I totally agree with you, we live in a messed up world.

[Tom4784]

Obviously in a war setting you have no choice but to kill the enemy on the battlefield otherwise captured terrorists should face justice, executing them only turns them into martyrs. Imprisoning them for life does not turn their story into a recruiting tool for others.

[bitontheslide]

If they aren't killed on the battlefield, should we be sending hit squads out to other countries to take out those that are considered "undesirable"? If so, that's a slippery slope I think.

If they aren't killed on the battlefield and they are British citizens, then, if they return to the UK, they would need to go through the court system. That's what our society is all about.

[Northern Monkey]

They should not be allowed back in the country and should be treated as enemy combatants and as many as possible taken out in the arena of battle.
There’s already enough Jihadis in our prison system radicalising gullible inmates.

[Toy Soldier]

It's a tough one really. If they're not originally British citizens (born and raised) then they shouldn't be accepted back into Britain for obvious security reasons. Sending out groups to specifically hunt them down in other countries seems a bit... err... "war-crimey" I guess.

But then there are those who are British born and raised - what to do there? You can't really say "don't let them back in", they are our responsibility, by not letting them back on UK soil... they don't just evaporate... they are still out there in the world free to main and kill in countries that, supposedly, we are trying to help liberate from these people. And as the UK does not have the death penalty - the ONLY obvious answer is that they should be brought back into Britain and then prosecuted for treason and, presumably, murder and other crimes.

[Brillopad]

https://www.itv.com/news/2017-12-12/...error-attacks/

Over 400 returned so far, most of which are free to plant bombs and go on stabbing frenzies anywhere in Britain. We are all unwitting potential victims in the making - for what - to preserve the ‘rights’ of terrorists and murderers at the expense of the safety of the many so we can say we are better than them!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

https://www.itv.com/news/2017-12-12/...error-attacks/

Over 400 returned so far, most of which are free to plant bombs and go on stabbing frenzies anywhere in Britain. We are all unwitting potential victims in the making - for what - to preserve the ‘rights’ of terrorists and murderers at the expense of the safety of the many so we can say we are better than them!

Human rights apply to everyone otherwise they don't work. For someone that claims to care about the Military and veterans you do seem quick to throw away rights they fought and died to protect when it suits you.

We must have faith that justice will win the day and that people who fought for IS will face justice the right way. The second we change the law to satiate a sense of bloodlust is the second we lose.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Human rights apply to everyone otherwise they don't work. For someone that claims to care about the Military and veterans you do seem quick to throw away rights they fought and died to protect when it suits you.

We must have faith that justice will win the day and that people who fought for IS will face justice the right way. The second we change the law to satiate a sense of bloodlust is the second we lose.

Veterans fought and died to defend and protect the freedoms of their families and fellow countrymen, not terrorists. That is insulting them in my opinion. You really think they died to preserve the rights of terrorists over the safety and lives of children. They would probably turn in their graves if they could see what these people are getting away with and how some are trying to justify it - all in the name of so-called progress. Who are you trying to kid!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Veterans fought and died to defend and protect the freedoms of their families and fellow countrymen, not terrorists. That is insulting them in my opinion.

Those terrorists ARE British though and as such they are entitled to a trial if captured. It's best to capture terrorists when possible, use them for information and dish out life sentences and rob them of the martyrdom of dying for their cause would provide.

Human Rights apply to every citizen of the UK, you can't pick and choose. You are either for Human Rights for everyone or you are completely against it, it is quite a black and white issue. You are on one side of the fence or the other.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Those terrorists ARE British though and as such they are entitled to a trial if captured. It's best to capture terrorists when possible, use them for information and dish out life sentences and rob them of the martyrdom of dying for their cause would provide.

Human Rights apply to every citizen of the UK, you can't pick and choose. You are either for Human Rights for everyone or you are completely against it, it is quite a black and white issue. You are on one side of the fence or the other.

https://www.itv.com/news/2017-12-12/...error-attacks/

I care about the human rights of their future victims and there will be many. I care about the human rights of the innocent not terrorists. When people commit such atrocities they lose any entitlement to any human rights.

[Livia]

If they're British born and want to return we should be allowed to make them stateless. Of course, we can't do that under international law, but it would make sense. There are SO many Islamic countries that would suit them so much better, countries where women aren't protected and where gay people are murdered... sounds like the perfect environment for them. That said, wherever possible, kill them.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

https://www.itv.com/news/2017-12-12/...error-attacks/

I care about the human rights of their future victims and there will be many. I care about the human rights of the innocent not terrorists. When people commit such atrocities they lose any entitlement to any human rights.

So you don't care about Human Rights, like I said before, you can't pick and choose. You're either all in or all out.