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17-01-2018, 10:00 AM | #1 | ||
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Agree with Robinson. The extreme left are taking over the Labour Party and it can only end in tears for all of us if they ever get any real power. If today’s controlling PC is anything to go by we will be living in a nanny state with not only opposing opinions being completely censored but free thought becoming a thing of the past. A scary prospect in what is supposed to be the free West. We are supposed be going forwards - but in reality we will be going backwards and swapping one set of victims for another. That is not progress. |
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17-01-2018, 11:04 AM | #2 | |||
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The Left is definitely taking over the Labour party. And Momentum will stop at nothing to get Marxists into power. They are aggressive in their campaigning in a way that's not been seen before. They will argue, whether they're right or wrong, and if they're losing they'll accuse you of all sorts of things. They'/re also the noisiest. The Left have no worries about one of their number hanging up a banner that says "hang the Tories" but would squeal like pigs if that message was reversed. You only have to take a look at the language used on this very forum against anyone who's not Labour. It's a worry. We need a strong Labour party... but the more the Left push, the harder people in the centre will push back. We don't need extreme Left or extreme Right... we don't need extreme anything. And I'm sure that at the next General election all those people who don't discuss their vote for fear of being abused by someone who's a bit frantic about it all, will use their vote like they always do.
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17-01-2018, 11:09 AM | #3 | ||
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Load of tripe again.
However,even if it was remotely true, I will take the leftist clique over this rotten,hardline,gutless and heartless extreme right wing clique we have in govt.at present and their massively deceitful leader. Last edited by joeysteele; 17-01-2018 at 11:10 AM. |
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17-01-2018, 11:12 AM | #4 | |||
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Yes, that's the ticket... go for the extreme Left (which is what Corbyn is) over the centre and the right. I would encourage people to do that. Because I doubt Corbyn, despite the efforts of Momentum, will ever get into power.
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17-01-2018, 11:25 AM | #5 | ||
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I agree we need a stronger more central Labour Party if there is any chance of getting better than what we currently have - which is far from perfect - but the current Labour government would be an even bigger disaster. No extremes should be the name of the game. Last edited by Brillopad; 17-01-2018 at 11:25 AM. |
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17-01-2018, 11:36 AM | #6 | ||
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I wouldn't be so sure he won't get into power,especially the way this lot are continuing to go as to incompetent,heartless and hardline actions. If this lot are in any way good govt.then all powers that be need to help the UK. You were way off the mark in June last year,I think you have another shock to come in the next election too. I never believed Corbyn could win enough seats to lead a govt,majority or minority one. He surprised me and I think he well may do again. His is the only real alternative to this govt. I think you may have to witness it's an alternative voters,and the new voters next time will want too. Last edited by joeysteele; 17-01-2018 at 11:51 AM. |
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17-01-2018, 11:50 AM | #7 | |||
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You have to ask the reason behind so many people becoming hard left.
Could it be that Tory style capitalism and corruption has become so corrosive that people are becoming heartily sick of it?
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17-01-2018, 12:00 PM | #8 | ||
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People will need to think hard about what Party is most likely to cause the most damage in the long-run. Older voters are more likely to have personal experience of that. |
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17-01-2018, 12:12 PM | #9 | ||
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cORbyNs LeFTisT CLiQue!!
...I'm actually not a huge fan these days to be fair. I don't see why we can't have a genuinely, properly, centre oriented party that ALSO has a commitment to fair social policies to support low incomes and disabilities comfortably (meaning, not on a subsistence existence and also not piling pressure and stress onto people who need it least). Basically we need a party that realises two things: 1) Capitalism isn't ideal and there are huge problems, but it's the only viable system we have and it's so ingrained at this point that we have to accept that there's no way to change the momentum behind it. 2) Capitism WILL INEVITABLY FAIL if we don't accept that some level - an increased level - of socialism is 100% necessary in the foundations of our economy to prop up the upper levels. People need to be able to live full, proper, engaging lives (buy homes, go on holidays, survive without getting into masses of debt) in low wage employment. It is as essential to right wing thinking as it is left. Until people realise that our only current survival option is, paradoxically, right-wing economics with an increased focus on social policies that increase spending power and general life comfort, then we're kind of ****ed. No matter how much you want to believe that people should only get to be comfortable / have spending power "later in life once they've werked rly hard" - Right wing economics does not function without consumers. People on low and low-middle incomes MUST have spending power. It's that simple. But also, no matter how much you want to believe that we can have a fully inclusive and harmonious socialist society - we are WAY past that point and slamming the brakes on the system as it is, will collapse the entire things. Sure everyone can be equal... in that no one will have much of anything. Basically... in order for there to be people that are doing well, there sadly have to be people who are not doing so well (right wing thinking - Corbyn doesn't like / doesn't get this). At the same time, in order to keep that system functioning, the people who are not doing so well have to be supported in such a way that means that they ARE doing well enough to live normal, comfortable lives (left wing thinking - the Tories do not get this and believe that a system that works for those nearer the top can function on the backs of miserable people indefinitely, which it cannot and will not). Basically... there's really no one to vote for right now. It's an impossible situation that is potentially unfixable on a UK-wide scale. It COULD work on a smaller scale, e.g. for Scotland, but that ship has pretty much sailed now . |
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17-01-2018, 12:14 PM | #10 | ||
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17-01-2018, 12:31 PM | #11 | |||
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I remember when the left were seen as namsy pamsy tree huggers. Now they are seen as revolutionists that want to take us down the socialist route. How things have changed!
The problem with both parties is, the divide is too big. The left see the right as enemies of the state and vice versa. The Right had its time at being a one party state and I believe if the Left get in at the next election, that too will have its time. I'm not hard left... anything but. I would just like to see more social services serving its public. Services like the NHS, libraries, the postal service and possibly national rail. I don't want to live in a socialist country anymore than I want to live in a neoliberal style one. I don't want a government that runs its business on the backs of limited companies and I don't want a country that follow Marxist philosophy. Like you TS, I want good governance and I believe we can get that with Corbyn. I've always followed The Green Party and I find the way they are presently holding hands with Labour, somewhat reassuring because they aren't hard liners
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17-01-2018, 12:37 PM | #12 | ||
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It will all end in tears, disillusion and disappointment for them because the majority of people in our country are decent, tolerant and have no time for hard done by martyrs who think the world owes them a living and opinions opposing their own should be silenced by hysterical offence - taking. As others have said, extremism of any kind is not the answer. History has shown that time and again. |
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17-01-2018, 12:43 PM | #13 | ||
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17-01-2018, 12:46 PM | #14 | ||
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It’s scary to watch.No Labour votes from me again while this hard left element hold the power in Labour.
The woman who got most votes Yasmin Dar spoke at a rally last year to celebrate the 38th anniversary of the Iranian Khomeini-ist Islamic revolution.The regime responsible for shooting unarmed protesters. “We’re here for a celebration.It’s a happy time,this is the third year i’ve been.It’s always in my diary” Chairman of Labours disputes panel Christine Shawcroft says we should invite Islamic State for cups of tea rather than bombing them. Refaily Politics BBC2 |
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17-01-2018, 12:50 PM | #15 | ||
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At the rate things are going, I will have to spoil my ballot the next time. There is noone to vote for. Labour is ridiculous, Tories are horrible, Lib dems are useless but they have no chance anyway. Its all a huge ****ing mess.
I cannot believe how much i thought Corbyn was amazing maybe 6 months back. Momentum are ****ing arseholes too. I do agree with a lot of Corbyns politics, but some stuff is extremely important to me and I am polar opposites with him/the party on
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It’s all a bit of a mess really.
If labour split into two separate parties, Labour and Momentum, then a clearer picture would emerge for voters. Giving voters the option of how far off centre they would like to go. |
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17-01-2018, 01:05 PM | #18 | ||
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I want Jess Phillips to lead the new Labour party too. Though that wouldn't happen
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17-01-2018, 01:18 PM | #21 | ||
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All you would end up with would be continuous Conservative govt.near without any real organised opposition. As happened when centrists split Labour in the 80s with forming the SDP, thereby ensuring Margaret Thatchers run of absolute power,with the Cons in govt for an astonishing 18 years. What's really needed is a change to proper PR as a voting system to curb extremes. PR is something the Cons would never support however. Last edited by joeysteele; 17-01-2018 at 01:38 PM. |
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17-01-2018, 01:48 PM | #22 | ||
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Many people predicted that Corbyn’s hardline extremist political views would soon come to the fore and that is exactly what is happening. I imagine, that due to the current political climate, he feels the time is right and quite likely with a bit of aggressive pushing from Momentum.
In my opinion Corbyn is either every bit as hardline as much has suggested or he is fast becoming Momentum’s puppet. We have a lot to fear from such a government with long-term consequences. |
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17-01-2018, 01:53 PM | #23 | |||
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I think the likes of such people are monsters who have gone all out to take something positive and turn it into something negative with all their trivial nonsense. Quote:
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17-01-2018, 02:15 PM | #24 | ||
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No, I don't believe you are hard left DM.
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This Red Army analogy you keep painting about Corbyn is nonsense. Hit out at the hard liners by all means but Corbyn isn't one of them. Tony Robinson is a TV personality and like me, a Labour supporter and his views are no less important than the next Labour supporter. The difference is, because of who he is, his views get published in main stream media. It means nothing unless you want it to mean something.
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