[Kizzy]

In 2010 osborne touted austerity as a 5yr fix for the economy, now hammond is projecting it won't end till 2025!

We are in the grip of the 2nd great depression but as pointed out it is not an economic necessity it's a political strategy.

So the question is, by shrinking the state is this achieved by cutting off the lifelines for those most in need, if yes could this be considered eugenics?


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a8255756.html

[DemolitionRed]

So homelessness has doubled since 2010 and they are going to let it continue. Its taken a decade for people to wake up and realize they are being robbed. Whilst some are still happy to remain oblivious and believe its all for the greater good, the general feeling about austerity isn't good.

[arista]

5 May 2022
is the next official date of the General Election
of course that date could change,
but 2025 - who will be in power?

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So homelessness has doubled since 2010 and they are going to let it continue. Its taken a decade for people to wake up and realize they are being robbed. Whilst some are still happy to remain oblivious and believe its all for the greater good, the general feeling about austerity isn't good.

All Over the Whole World
not just the UK.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

5 May 2022
is the next official date of the General Election
of course that date could change,
but 2025 - who will be in power?

The way things are going - Vladimir Putin.

[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The way things are going - Vladimir Putin.

Well Kirk
that would be Fun.


My bunker would be busy

[parmnion]

Not surprised homelessness has risen considering the amount of new citizens we are allowing in.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Not surprised homelessness has risen considering the amount of new citizens we are allowing in.

Not forgetting us older beggars just wont pop off.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Not surprised homelessness has risen considering the amount of new citizens we are allowing in.

Exactly this ,I sometimes think some people think the powers that be can just click there fingers and solve these problems,it's like trying to put 2 litres into a one litre jug.Loads of people here aswell that shouldn't be,

[DemolitionRed]

Recessions have a habit of reversing themselves without austerity. The big depression of 1930 recovered quickly without austerity and it achieved that by growth, not cuts.

The governments of this country have been successfully running an over-drought since the late sixteen hundreds. Deficits (not the same as debt) are good because they allow spending and because spending comes before tax (something the general papers don't seem to get) collected taxes will eventually cancel that debt. If they don't collect enough taxes its not a problem because the government have the ability to cancel their own debt (MP John Redwood http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2018/03...twin-deficits/)

Our economy is deflated enough. Its time for growth because if we continue saving and continue to stifle growth we will shrink further and as a nation, I don't believe we can afford to shrink much more.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Exactly this ,I sometimes think some people think the powers that be can just click there fingers and solve these problems,it's like trying to put 2 litres into a one litre jug.Loads of people here aswell that shouldn't be,

Nobody is suggesting anyone clicks their fingers! So you think continued austerity is something to do with 'loads of people here that shouldn't be'?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Nobody is suggesting anyone clicks their fingers! So you think continued austerity is something to do with 'loads of people here that shouldn't be'?

We aren’t responsible for those loads of people here that shouldn’t be so why should we be providing for them?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

We aren’t responsible for those loads of people here that shouldn’t be so why should we be providing for them?

Yes okay but what does this have to do with austerity?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yes okay but what does this have to do with austerity?

You’re the one saying the government should stop austerity to provide for people who have no right to be here.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You’re the one saying the government should stop austerity to provide for people who have no right to be here.

Really? can you point out where I said this?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Really? can you point out where I said this?

“So you think austerity is something to do with loads of people here who shouldn’t be’.

I read that a certain way. Reading it another way I think People have been sneaking into this country, or outstaying their welcome for decades - add the huge increase in recent years and I would say all those extra people are adding to the burden.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You’re the one saying the government should stop austerity to provide for people who have no right to be here.

Are you saying they are right not providing for anyone because in your mind some people do not belong here?... :/

Fuzziest logic ever.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

“So you think austerity is something to do with loads of people here who shouldn’t be’.

I read that a certain way. Reading it another way I think People have been sneaking into this country, or outstaying their welcome for decades - add the huge increase in recent years and I would say all those extra people are adding to the burden.

Extra people has got zilch, diddly-squat, nunya, Jack-**** to do with austerity but if you want to rock on with that baffling belief, I'll converse with you on this subject no further.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Extra people has got zilch, diddly-squat, nunya, Jack-**** to do with austerity but if you want to rock on with that baffling belief, I'll converse with you on this subject no further.

I think what Brillo's trying to say is ... if all the surplus people were on welfare, that'd be a lot of money being spent, and austerity would mean less of them were being given money ... ?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I think what Brillo's trying to say is ... if all the surplus people were on welfare, that'd be a lot of money being spent, and austerity would mean less of them were being given money ... ?

Well that is very presumptuous and very wrong ... Austerity isn't simply focused on welfare is it?

[Marsh.]

Wow, anything and everything somehow will always be pointed back at the pesky immigrants.

[kirklancaster]

I do not understand this thread??? We are NOWHERE remotely near THE 'Great Depression'

[Toy Soldier]

We may not be in "the great depression" but we are in a serious mess. Towns outside of major city centres are dirty, falling apart, full of empty / boarded up buildings, lacking in decent amenities or even in any way being a desirable place to be. Also, having just driven from Scotland to London, I can quite confidently say that our roads are absolutely shocking nation wide. An actual disgrace, even on the motorways and major A roads. Barely fit for purpose and in some places just blatantly dangerous.

And things are only going to get worse if some money doesn't start being spent somewhere. WHY are some people so insistent that living in a dirty, grubby, un-modern and embarrassing country is somehow a badge of honour?? "Oh look at us! We spend so little money! We're so frugal! Look at all of our horrible, decaying mess!"

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We may not be in "the great depression" but we are in a serious mess. Towns outside of major city centres are dirty, falling apart, full of empty / boarded up buildings, lacking in decent amenities or even in any way being a desirable place to be. Also, having just driven from Scotland to London, I can quite confidently say that our roads are absolutely shocking nation wide. An actual disgrace, even on the motorways and major A roads. Barely fit for purpose and in some places just blatantly dangerous.

And things are only going to get worse if some money doesn't start being spent somewhere. WHY are some people so insistent that living in a dirty, grubby, un-modern and embarrassing country is somehow a badge of honour?? "Oh look at us! We spend so little money! We're so frugal! Look at all of our horrible, decaying mess!"

I see what you are saying, but i am in the middle of a weeks holiday in my hometown in scotland...i hardly recognise it now after 6 yrs away as its been tarted up that much.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I see what you are saying, but i am in the middle of a weeks holiday in my hometown in scotland...i hardly recognise it now after 6 yrs away as its been tarted up that much.

At the same time that I'm on a week down in London... Are you avoiding me, Parmy?