[Kate!]

My moneys on Ed Miliband, who I detest anyway but he's such an easy target right now, a veritable sitting duck.

Heaven forbid Keir should attribute the blame to himself no no no.

[Livia]

Milliband. But not Reeves. I think she may have some dirt on him maybe...?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kate!

My moneys on Ed Miliband, who I detest anyway but he's such an easy target right now, a veritable sitting duck.

Heaven forbid Keir should attribute the blame to himself no no no.

Is Badenoch likely to blame herself???

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Is Badenoch likely to blame herself???

Not for me I don't think. She inherited an awful role. The Tory brand is completely screwed regardless of the leader

I do think Jenrick is the better communicator though

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Is Badenoch likely to blame herself???

Whatabout whatabout ...

[Liam-]

If he has any sense, which he doesn’t, he’d get rid of Reeves and Streeting

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If he has any sense, which he doesn’t, he’d get rid of Reeves and Streeting

Agreed.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not for me I don't think. She inherited an awful role. The Tory brand is completely screwed regardless of the leader

I do think Jenrick is the better communicator though

Have to say I don't like Jenrick but he is a better communicator I agree.
As one of the panel today on the election programming he was very strong.

As for Starmer, he's tied himself too much with the plans of Reeves.
I think she's a big problem, being the first female chancellor seems to have gone to her head.
She is who is planning the financial plans obviously and while Prime Minister's usually do abide by their Chancellors directions.
I really think the winter fuel payment awful action plus the welfare cuts plans too.
Are very much HER demands.
I would hold her more responsible for the awful first year.

He really won't be able to change any course unless he changes Chancellor because I can't see Reeves budging an inch.
So if he won't engineer that change I think he'll too continue to fail.
Just as Badenoch will and is failing to register.

I'd more blame Reeves because she also just dismisses the concerns of members, just doesn't seem to even want to listen.
Chancellor's though are the ones usually the most powerful in governments.

[Kate!]

Oh come on Joey...there's no show without Punch. Punch being Starmer. There's no way he'd let her pull the strings to anywhere near that extent. It's not her that wears the trousers.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Oh come on Joey...there's no show without Punch. Punch being Starmer. There's no way he'd let her pull the strings to anywhere near that extent. It's not her that wears the trousers.

She's got more balls than he does, regardless of job titles I think she absolutely wears the trousers, or at least choses the ones Starmer wears.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Oh come on Joey...there's no show without Punch. Punch being Starmer. There's no way he'd let her pull the strings to anywhere near that extent. It's not her that wears the trousers.

Shows possibly how little you know then actually.
Anyway I was answering MTVN.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Shows possibly how little you know then actually.
Anyway I was answering MTVN.

Rude. So you were answering Matt. That means I can't comment? No. You're just blindly defending a scumbag.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Shows possibly how little you know then actually.
Anyway I was answering MTVN.

It’s proved my point I made in the other thread earlier.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It’s proved my point I made in the other thread earlier.

Wtf you bleating about now.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Rude. So you were answering Matt. That means I can't comment? No. You're just blindly defending a scumbag.

I really don't want to talk to you Kate
I really do not.
Sorry.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If he has any sense, which he doesn’t, he’d get rid of Reeves and Streeting

Bit of a turn around from you? not 4 weeks ago you were applauding Rachels approach to the disabled getting them back to work....whats changed in 4 weeks?

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I really don't want to talk to you Kate
I really do not.
Sorry.

Hard lines. I can reply as I see fit on here. It's a forum. You were rude. You met my post with hostility because you don't like what I said about Starmer. Right to reply.

People do not like him. He's a horrible horrible man. He will scapegoat whoever he can over this you mark my words. Rachel Reeves is not immune. He's destroyed the ethos of the Labour Party and its values, surrounding himself with yes men and women. Everything Labour ever stood for is gone.

Not saying Rachel Reeves is a saint even remotely either. She's heartless. But the buck stops with him. Rachel, David Lammy, Angela Rayner...the list goes on. All of them dance to his tune.

He's a tinpot self serving dictator. He is an emotionless robot. Grasping and greedy. Takes everything he can get and has no shame.

He has zero respect or care for his constituents. It's ludicrous. This is not the Labour that I knew and loved. I can't envisage ever voting for them again.

You don't want to talk to me because you have no valid response. There is no defence for what this man has done. Screwed pensioners and farmers, instigated fear of free speech from anyone who dares speak out against him, abused his position by taking endless foreign jaunts, accepting free stuff all over the shop, concerts, clothing, shall I go on? He's a liar, proven. Promised the earth to get into power and delivered the opposite. Shame on him. Oh wait, he has no shame.

Don't tell me please that I know next to nothing and then refuse point blank to answer me when I reply. I'm surprised at you.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Hard lines. I can reply as I see fit on here. It's a forum. You were rude. You met my post with hostility because you don't like what I said about Starmer. Right to reply.

People do not like him. He's a horrible horrible man. He will scapegoat whoever he can over this you mark my words. Rachel Reeves is not immune. He's destroyed the ethos of the Labour Party and its values, surrounding himself with yes men and women. Everything Labour ever stood for is gone.

Not saying Rachel Reeves is a saint even remotely either. She's heartless. But the buck stops with him. Rachel, David Lammy, Angela Rayner...the list goes on. All of them dance to his tune.

He's a tinpot self serving dictator. He is an emotionless robot. Grasping and greedy. Takes everything he can get and has no shame.

He has zero respect or care for his constituents. It's ludicrous. This is not the Labour that I knew and loved. I can't envisage ever voting for them again.

You don't want to talk to me because you have no valid response. There is no defence for what this man has done. Screwed pensioners and farmers, instigated fear of free speech from anyone who dares speak out against him, abused his position by taking endless foreign jaunts, accepting free stuff all over the shop, concerts, clothing, shall I go on? He's a liar, proven. Promised the earth to get into power and delivered the opposite. Shame on him. Oh wait, he has no shame.

Don't tell me please that I know next to nothing and then refuse point blank to answer me when I reply. I'm surprised at you.

That's absolutely fine.
If anyone is rude it's more yourself but you get away with it.

I should tell you anything I like when you accuse me of defending scumbags.
Something most others who know me here know I wouldn't do.

However I'm not going to waste time on you at all now.
Also please stop private messaging me too .......!!!!!

[Gusto Brunt]

Maybe not Reeves, but perhaps that liar Jonathan Reynolds.

Reynolds committed a serious crime calling himself a solicitor for years, when he isn't.

He's easily booted out.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That's absolutely fine.
If anyone is rude it's more yourself but you get away with it.

I should tell you anything I like when you accuse me of defending scumbags.
Something most others who know me here know I wouldn't do.

However I'm not going to waste time on you at all now.
Also please stop private messaging me too .......!!!!!

You were equally as rude as you think I was.

You tried to shut me down from responding to you?

And I'm confused. Which is it? Are you saying that you didn't defend him? You did. You blamed Reeves for everything. Or are you saying that he's not a scumbag? Which he is?

He's the Prime Minister. If he's so weak that Reeves is responsible for everything and he's just a hapless puppet then he's no right being in the job! He makes the decisions, he gets all the perks and privileges. I am correct that he'll scapegoat someone. As you are...throwing Reeves to the wolves.

I'm done. Will not address you in any way again. Sad it came to this. People have said much worse to you on occasion than I did in this thread.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That's absolutely fine.
If anyone is rude it's more yourself but you get away with it.

I should tell you anything I like when you accuse me of defending scumbags.
Something most others who know me here know I wouldn't do.

However I'm not going to waste time on you at all now.
Also please stop private messaging me too .......!!!!!

Its shocking the amount of bullying she gets away with on here I agree, you didn’t say anything wrong, she just doesn’t like to be challenged on anything

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Its shocking the amount of bullying she gets away with on here I agree, you didn’t say anything wrong, she just doesn’t like to be challenged on anything

Lol. Ffs. I didn't bully Joey. I just disagreed with him. Get a pissing grip. He shut me down from having the right to reply. It's my opinion that Starmer is a twat. Joey didn't challenge me? I challenged him? If you can be arsed to properly read it. Just fire away with your hatred.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Its shocking the amount of bullying she gets away with on here I agree, you didn’t say anything wrong, she just doesn’t like to be challenged on anything