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Like a fine whiskey
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Not sure why Israel bothers anymore. So many people have so much to say. It's a song contest ffs...
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Talking about the "Far Right being on the rise" whilst not calling out threatening behaviour, bullying, and booing a contestant just because she represented Israel is what one would call distorting the full story, but surely these Music Industry people wouldn't omit all of the facts would they?
But I will ultimately agree with them that if Russia has to be banned from the competition for genocide then so should Israel. Personally though I would have both countries take part.
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Russia illegally crossed a national border to invade a sovereign state. Israel retaliated to a terrorist atrocity where people were murdered, tortured, burned and captured after years of daily rocket assaults into Israel from the roofs of Palestinian schools and hospitals. It's not the same. But I'm so sick of these calls by some no mark no one's ever heard of, for Israel to be excluded. I wish they would just withdraw so they don't get booed again. Booed by a mainly gay audience who, in Palestine, would get a short flight off a roof.
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Schrödinger's Quato
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Perhaps controversially I'd like politics to be kept out of the consideration entirely and for that to apply across the board - i.e. no I don't think Israel should be banned... but I don't think Russia should be banned either. If there's a rule on "warring nations" it needs to be applied consistently but yeah I'd side with letting Russia enter rather than kicking Israel out.
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I don't even watch it anymore because of them allowing Israel to participate, I used to enjoy it so much too.
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Schrödinger's Quato
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It's definitely a harder watch these days than it once was but not because of any one participant... it's more that while it was always semi-political, these days it feels very "tense" which is odd for what it is. Last year less so than 2023, to be fair, 2023 was very odd viewing.
TBH it would all be less of an issue if they'd actually stuck with it being a Europe-wide contest... given that neither Israel nor Russia* are part of Europe. (Yes I know Russia is partly on the European continent but it's not really Europe is it). |
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The Italian Job
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Don't ban anyone. If they're in they're in.
Yes it's a song contest, leave the politics out of it.
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TeamDiegoPooth <3
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who cares about what other broadcasters think, i don't anymore
Israel are allowed to participate, as they don't actually invade a different country (and no, palestine ain't a country) unlike Russia who got rightfully banned after invading Ukraine, same as Belarus also rightfully banned after they had a pro-dictatorship entry in 2021 as well as them supporting Russia quite actively in the war against ukraine Yuval doesn't deserve this AT ALL, she literally had to hide beneath dead bodies on October 7th to survive, it's a miracle she is now here in Basel with a wonderful ballad and quite a promising show act it seems
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Eurovision 2025 Favourite: Israel (RICH QUEEN Yuval Raphael - New Day Will Rise) |
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Like a fine whiskey
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What’s your stance on them banning Russia? Out of curiosity?
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TeamDiegoPooth <3
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and here was me thinking they wouldn't get too much criticism this year, because of the broadcaster and the government not being responsible for the finances of this years participation, Yuval and her family are (auntie Ronit is a self made successful cosmetics entrepeneur, that explains that) and tbh Yuval herself is a survivor of October 7th nova festival massacre, had to hide beneath dead bodies to protect herself from shrapnel and bullets, one would think that is quite a traumatic experience, but how she overcame that and being such a solid singer she is as of today, i can only say respect to this queen
but anyway her staging, it gives me a Greatest Showman sort of vibe, the staging deffo does the song justice, gives it that extra layer of glamour, old hollywood touch, and looks wise Yuval is on par or even more beautiful than Gal Gadot ![]()
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Eurovision 2025 Favourite: Israel (RICH QUEEN Yuval Raphael - New Day Will Rise) |
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self-oscillating
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Russia is the aggressor, Israel is not, i thought that distinction was pretty obvious.
People say politics need to be kept out of "fill in the blank" but it never is, never has been and never will be |
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The competition starts next week and they do this now? Yeah i don’t see it working
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Sami Allerdici
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Wow @Nicky91
Thanks for that information.. A survivor, if terrorism, getting austrocised by a bunch if LGBTQ fanatics...sums it will up really well. Defo brain rot.. |
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Schrödinger's Quato
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I think politics should be kept out of it as much as possible and if I'm being honest, I think there's a heavy political dogwhistle buried in the Israel entry -- I don't think it's a coincidence that they're sending an October 7th survivor, I think it's 100% politically motivated. That's nothing against the artist herself. But everyone knew what the response would be. |
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self-oscillating
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my argument is simply that politics is never kept out of anything that is supposed to be above politics. Think the olympics, football, eurovision etc etc etc .... politics always drives decisions and its not a new thing. The olympics was politicised by Hitler way back at the 2nd world war. Then the usa refused to go, russia refused to go, there was a terrorist attack .... it's had all sorts. Look at eurovision voting and it has always been political. Look at football and their taking the knee and the reaction to it being held in qatar. Politics invades everything
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Flag shagger.
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I'm sure that once the Israel/Palestine thing is all over, Palestine and the terrorists who run it will give a big shout out to the LGBTQ+ community for all their support.
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TeamDiegoPooth <3
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although at her arrival in Basel, she received a warmer welcome than Eden Golan last year in Malmo, so that's at least something of an improvement i guess
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