[Cherie]

After the disastrous council elections, and apparently a huge rebellion is planned for axing PIP, also I notice Jobbie who managed to pivot all the freebies he and Rachel Reeves enjoy/enoyed, the Winter fuel allowance, attacking the farmers (do we want home grown goods or no? have we not learned from getting gas from Russia), and attacking the disabled into a positive , has finally reached his red line and doesn't appear to have anything positive to say, I noticed this before the Council elections last week, so I just wonder...how long Sir Keir might stay in post

[bots]

it's much more difficult to ditch a labour leader than a tory leader so i don't think it would happen in the short term. Joey is probably more familiar with the process

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bots

it's much more difficult to ditch a labour leader than a tory leader so i don't think it would happen in the short term. Joey is probably more familiar with the process

why is that, I would have thought it would be the same for everyone, so letters of no confidence are not a thing? look forward to Joey posting

[Quantum Boy]

Maybe toast by design; people view politics very hierarchically so doing a load of horrible **** under one leader then swapping them out for a fresh face can be a good way to preserve a disgruntled voter base whilst still implementing the nasty stuff you wanted to get through.

[Livia]

Kier, or Angela. Not sure which is worse. I think Starmer will cling on to the leadership with every fibre of his being.

[joeysteele]

Labour generally sticks with it's leaders no matter what.
One exemption was between Gordon Brown and Tony Blair as Brown got impatient to to succeed him so worked strongly behind the scenes against him after the 2005 election.

Even Corbyn in his 4+ years as leader got to fight 2 elections.
Plus despite the heavy unrest in the Party with him personally and many defections too..

Neil Kinnock despite losing badly in 1987 was left in place to fight another in 1992.

That sort of loyalty I rather admired.

Now, I'd rather see Starmer not there as leader but the worst for me is the Chancellor and she won't be going anywhere bar some really devastating scandal.
With the majority he has, I can't see him NOT fighting the next election personally, despite the disappointment and even anger I know exists now with the members.
I can't see any no confidence scenarios coming up in the next few years, not even any leadership challenges.

The hope will be from Labour MPs, and although I'm no longer a Labour member
However it's still my hope too.
That in the coming years and by the time 2028 is reached, people will look back and feel better off and hoping things will have improved by then..
However I'm not sure things will improve enough.
Although he does not need to call an election until JULY 2029, with it not held until around mid August 2029.

I think he'll be there unchallenged, there'll not be any no confidence motions in him from the Labour Party.
So he'll be there to fight the next election unless he himself decides to stand down.
He could however end up with some large rebellion from Labour MPs in certain policy votes.
Which I hope comes on the new proposed PIP criteria.

[bots]

I remember when Corbyn was challenged, it required something like 20% of mps to vote for a change, but there was no automatic system for that to then trigger a wider vote by the labour party membership. I do remember it was somewhat complicated

[Zizu]

I’d rather they kept Starmer if the alternative is Angela bloody Rayner .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bots

I remember when Corbyn was challenged, it required something like 20% of mps to vote for a change, but there was no automatic system for that to then trigger a wider vote by the labour party membership. I do remember it was somewhat complicated

This was a virtual non event and a farce.
Corbyn, despite all the unrest against him in the parliamentary sense, actually got a higher overall vote than he'd got in 2015.

Angela Eagle made loads of noise on challenging then sheepishly pulled out
Leaving Owen Smith to face the challenge.

It was believed that as you were indicating, that Corbyn would not get the necessary percentage of MPs to stand again.
However the ruling of the National Executive was that as the incumbent leader he didn't need that.
He would be automatically on the ballot .

It ended as an absolute waste of time and an absolute farce.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’d rather they kept Starmer if the alternative is Angela bloody Rayner .

If there was a change of leadership it could not be any of the current top team, they are all culpable and have defended the indefensible

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If there was a change of leadership it could not be any of the current top team, they are all culpable and have defended the indefensible

She is a an extremely ambitious and determined b1tch !

I would imagine that they are all petrified of her

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

She is a an extremely ambitious and determined b1tch !

I would imagine that they are all petrified of her

No need to describe her in that fashion,they are all ambitious, look at Bojo, dibbed and dobbed on Brexit but eventually came down on vote leave because it furthered his career

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No need to describe her in that fashion,they are all ambitious, look at Bojo, dibbed and dobbed on Brexit but eventually came down on vote leave because it furthered his career

I actually detest everything about her

Sorry

[bots]

given the number of mp's that labour has, the candidates for cabinet posts are pretty slim pickings. Also, the deputy leadership is an elected role that is independent of leader. It's changed compared to how it used to be years ago