Is It or isn't it Racism?

[Skillzini]

Sakia, Maxwell, Anthony and craig!

They seperate themselves from the other ethnic members, when Anthony held back from making his comment about Derek (which i'm 90% sure was going to racially motivated) they all seemed to know what he was going to say...!

Me personally i thought Maxwell would be the first person to make a racist comment in the house, I never had Anthony pegged for a that, even though how he kept banging on about "not" wanting Makoski just cause he aint had a black woman before.

By the way Craig is such a DIC(K) head..... the way he has switched sides is unbelievable, actually it's not the first time in life he's joined the other team is it.

Thoughts comment please

[Lance]

I don't think that it has anything got to do with race.

They aren't seperating themselves because of race,although it will be inetresting to see the new HM's come in and see what happens theer as regarding groupings.TBH if you are saying those three have seperated according to race it's just as easy to say so have the others.

I do think what Anthony said to Derek was very unfair...he called himmalteaser head.:nono:

[Skillzini]

I agree somewhat, maybe it's not full blown rasicm maybe i should say tribalism, as in they are more the "norm" of english society.

why are people calling Science a thief...? Didn't Maxwell do the same thing with the shopping list...?

Isn't craig a shambles of a man...how dare him and Maxwell take their tops off .....ugggghhh...

[Azzy]

Oh get a grip man .
Why is it that it's always white people who are called racist??
Has it ever occured to you that Science hates white people , because he acts that way the way he claims to be so hard done to, the way he cries about his life being so tough 'cos he's black (like this is the 1900's ) .

It's a known fact that people find it easier to get along with people of their own ethnic group . Some more open minded peple of all races find it easy to communicate with people of all races , and that's happened in the BB house , everyone gets along it's just that their friends happen to be of a certain race .... so what ???
It certainly isn't racist , and I wish people would stop using that word so freely , because it makes actual acts of racism seem more trivial (because if we keep saying things are racist when they're nothing of the kind , people will stop listening and true acts of racism will be ignored .... thats why political correctness is one of the biggest threats in our society).

Anyway while we're on the subject of discrimmination , hows about we put the spotlight on you :

"By the way Craig is such a DIC(K) head..... the way he has switched sides is unbelievable, actually it's not the first time in life he's joined the other team is it."

Whats wrong ???Are you homophobic ??? Bit of a gay-basher are we ???
******ing hypocritical tw*t , come back when you've been told the facts of life .:mad:

[Lance]

Azzt at th eend of the day they are entitled to their opinion.

I too feel that if anyone in the house is anyway racist it is Science.Unless your from the hood your no good and don't deserve to be on the planet.:nono:

But I do think it is more tribalism.

Again I have to make reference to the English humour and way of life.Saskia Ant and Max are typically English,no doubt about it and so they will enjoy each others company more,not that they are excluding th eothers because of their race.

[Skillzini]

OKAY...!!

I never said white people are only racist.

Derek actually made a comment about joining the BNP because of Science.

LIFE is Harder when your black in England. FACT.

I don't agree with homosexuality that's my opinion, if they're are racist that's their opinion and they're welcome to it and if the shoe fits wear it.

Racism is racism no matter how great or trivial, a racist joke isn't going to kill someone but it's racist.

How the hell can being P.C be a threat to society as far as i can see being ignorant is.

[Lance]

Originally posted by Skillzini

LIFE is Harder when your black in England. FACT.


Thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation there...never include them in your arguments or you will fall flat on your face.

Life is not harder for all black people.

[Skillzini]

LOL.

If that is all that I said that can be commented on, I conclude.

Their is always an exception to the rule.

"only a sith deals in absolutes"

[Yoshimi]

Does anyone remember when science said Leeds was like LA. That comment has made me laugh to myslef many times. I smile when I think of it. Hilarious. Really I don't think any of them are racist... I think British society has moved on, and the housemates are representative of that.

[Lizzyitus]

I'm sure on the first show, during introductions of each housemate, they said Saskia supported the BNP!!!

She seemed to find it amusing when Anthony stopped himself from making a racist comment to Derek.

It was in reference to Derek mentioning Geordies being miners!

When Anthony said one of his mates said "knowing your luck they'll be a black girl in there, and I've never been with anyone with a better tan than me!"
I thought it was tactless and ignorant.

That's what I think of their little gang.

[Yoshimi]

Nah thats not racist... when ppl make jokes like that it shows they've gone beyond racism to acceptance. You can joke about things that you like. :wavey:

[Americano]

Originally posted by Lance
Originally posted by Skillzini

LIFE is Harder when your black in England. FACT.


Thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation there...never include them in your arguments or you will fall flat on your face.

Life is not harder for all black people.

oh come on.. stop nit picking we all know what he was saying

to try and claim otherwise is just ignorant of Britian today.

[Pipergun]

I would love to put them down another notch on my scale :devil:

But, I have to be fair, and say that I don't believe that it has anything to do with being racist, I think they just click with each other more than the others. :hugesmile:

Am surprised that I'm not criticising them for once!! :blush:

Pipez. :xyxwave:

[Sven]

I thought it was a bit racist when Anthony called Derek "Malteser Head". Hahahahahaha!!!!!

[Kore]

that is complete bullsh*t...


ethnicity has nothing whatsoever to do with it, and makosi is clever to think this.

trying to gang the public and housemates onto them 4.

[Lance]

Originally posted by Americano
Originally posted by Lance
Originally posted by Skillzini

LIFE is Harder when your black in England. FACT.


Thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation there...never include them in your arguments or you will fall flat on your face.

Life is not harder for all black people.

oh come on.. stop nit picking we all know what he was saying

to try and claim otherwise is just ignorant of Britian today.

For your information I am not British.

[Kore]

Originally posted by Lance


For your information I am not British.

i think he meant english speaking europeans :rolleyes:

[Lance]

Well as long as he isn't classing me as British.

I remember someone saying that Irish were second class British,now that miffed me off.

[Kore]

Originally posted by Lance
Well as long as he isn't classing me as British.

I remember someone saying that Irish were second class British,now that miffed me off.

on holiday this girl asked if i was irish..

i said 'no, welsh'.. and she said:

"same thing, both second class", i could have slapped a cake in her face :mad:

[Lance]

Hmm I know isn't it the most annoying thing?

I'm not generalising here but a lot of English people think they reign supreme because they are English.

For anyone with this opinion may I just remind everyone that it was the Irish who overthrew English rule,and if this is the road we are going down English are second class normans.

[Kore]

mike is a great guy tho :laugh:

[Lance]

Oh I'm not downing anyone in particular here...just those with that attitude.

[Kore]

Originally posted by Lance
Oh I'm not downing anyone in particular here...just those with that attitude.

same ere of course.

if we did that, we'd be stereotyping.

and i hate people who stereotype :mad::laugh:

[Lance]

Oh God,like I'd ever do that.:laugh:

[Bb_Nutta]

of course it's got nothing to do with race! i just think they find the others easier to get on with!

[Bb_Nutta]

Originally posted by Kore
Originally posted by Lance
Well as long as he isn't classing me as British.

I remember someone saying that Irish were second class British,now that miffed me off.

on holiday this girl asked if i was irish..

i said 'no, welsh'.. and she said:

"same thing, both second class", i could have slapped a cake in her face :mad:

oh. my. god! what a snob! =0

[kd]

That little bitch craig made a racist remark and so did maxwell today. I used to see people like this in my school and they are exactly the same. Me being someone of colour, I would always try and be social and could speak to a lot of people and break barriers. I would have all to gain, while they have nothing to lose except a good person, and there would always be the little groups that shut themselves away. But I don't hate anyone, just the people who are racist and trying to keep barriers between us and distance themselves because of colour. Not blaming anyone, I have to live a harder life and don't fit into society as much as I would like to, and I appreciate the people here who understand with an open mind. Its bulls#it, we shouldn't let idiots like maxwell, saskia, craig or anthony have what they don't deserve. To this day, I have heard them all say something really stupid and narrow minded. The thing with saskia and BNP is mad too, she is quarter asian, just shows how stupid, twisted and ignorant she is. They are all wannabes who follow what they see and hear, it's pathetic!. We all need to move forward, love eachother and try to socially accept eachother as much as we can before ignorance. Peace!

[hass]

nope not rasist at all, the others are boring and bitchy! the foursome are all funny and get on better with eachother than the rest of the group!

[Azzy]

Originally posted by Americano
Originally posted by Lance
Originally posted by Skillzini

LIFE is Harder when your black in England. FACT.


Thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation there...never include them in your arguments or you will fall flat on your face.

Life is not harder for all black people.

oh come on.. stop nit picking we all know what he was saying

to try and claim otherwise is just ignorant of Britian today.

I Disagree . Life can be equally hard for all races . I'm half-arab and lived in a predominanatly black and asian area and believe me , some of them bring their "hard life" on themselves by dropping out of school to become a gangsta and deal crack then they wonder why they're not welcomed with open arms when they go for a job .
You see because my mothers white I see both sides of the coin , people do tend to speak out for their own kind except white people (they feel as though they have to walk around on eggshells when the issue of race/asylum/terrorism...etc... crops up , and those that speak their mind get branded racist). Well I don't have a "kind" and I'll say it as I see it , all races are as capable of racism , all can have a hard life , all can be discrimminated against .But as far as the general attitude to race goes in society these days , things have never been more fair and equal , and for people to still be making out life's harder for minorities in this day and age is ridiculous .
Let me tell you , I'm certainly glad I'm not living in the middle east where my ancestry lies or I'd have been on trial and possibly executed for leaving my religion (I was supposed to be a muslim ) , and Africa is rife with poverty , AIDS , and famine .

Any black , arab or asian living in Britain is lucky to be here and thats the bottom line , so lets cut the s**t.
Conversation over.....:xyxwave:

[Azzy]

BTW -
The BNP aren't actually a racist party , it's just that their policies attract racists because their politics fit their agenda (perhaps not perfectly).

I know Sikhs and even blacks who voted BNP .
From what I can gather the papers made them out to be worse than they are . Don't believe everything you hear .
George Galloway's RESPECT party are worse because their followers are a bunch of jew hating , islamic extremists , yet that a***holes on TV all the time.

[Romantic Old Bird]

Not sure about all these instances.

HOWEVER one thing I have seen and heard from Team Maxwell which was blatant racism was Anthony's comment to Derek when he called him 'Malteser head'.

Now I know there are now white maltesers as well, but I am in NO doubt the reference was racist. This was follwed shortly afterwards by a lot of semi-whispers about 'what they were thinking but weren't allowed to say' to describe him. They then did say them to each other and it was blanked out by BB.

This was a few nights ago and OH and I were stunned that they weren't called in to the diary room and warned about their behaviour.

[hass]

no his head is just shaped like a malteser, i dont think he meant that to be a racist comment myself!:conf:

[Azzy]

Originally posted by hass
no his head is just shaped like a malteser, i dont think he meant that to be a racist comment myself!:conf:

Exactly , it's not racist if anything it's chocolatist .

If he'd have said it about science it wouldn't make sense , and it doesn't apply to all blacks just Derek 'cos his head does look like a Malteser . just like if someone called Maxwell "white Malteser head" it wouldn't make sense but with Marco from BB5 it would .:joker:

Do you get me???

Nowt to it mate .
Just chill!!! :dazzler:

[hass]

and if he said white malteser head then that would of been rasict because hes stating the colour lol :xyxwave:

[Yoshimi]

Yeh but malteasers are a good thing right? So why's it racist. If she said you're a coffee cream head.. fair enough thats insulting - no one likes those things!

[Romantic Old Bird]

Sorry, I still think it was a racist comment. Especially as their conversation continued along the same vein.

[Yoshimi]

yeh I was just trivialising... its borderline. Maxwell does seem the type to like "Jim Davidson" style "blue/racist" jokes

[hellohello]

when sas said that when she smelled her breath she was saying that everything coming out her mouth is bulsh**

[Kore]

omg its idiotic how people could think it was a racist comment. it blows my mind :bored:

[shawzer]

kore maxwell is the most boring housemate in there apart from vannessa all he do is sit down all day and moan about cider

[Kore]

hes one of the most entertaining tbh.

[JL]

The only racist type thing I rememer was Maxwell and Roberto's little squabble, I think Maxwell said something to Roberto like, "All your ever saying is mamma mia" and some other stuff in an italian accent which wasn't really fair coz italians are gorgeous anyway!
:love:

[Kore]

and when makosi made fun of all football fans, branding them all hooligans.
maxwell wasnt stereotyping he was talking to roberto, and not to italian people in general.

[kd]

Originally posted by Azzy
Originally posted by Americano
Originally posted by Lance
Originally posted by Skillzini

LIFE is Harder when your black in England. FACT.


Thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation there...never include them in your arguments or you will fall flat on your face.

Life is not harder for all black people.

oh come on.. stop nit picking we all know what he was saying

to try and claim otherwise is just ignorant of Britian today.

I Disagree . Life can be equally hard for all races . I'm half-arab and lived in a predominanatly black and asian area and believe me , some of them bring their "hard life" on themselves by dropping out of school to become a gangsta and deal crack then they wonder why they're not welcomed with open arms when they go for a job .
You see because my mothers white I see both sides of the coin , people do tend to speak out for their own kind except white people (they feel as though they have to walk around on eggshells when the issue of race/asylum/terrorism...etc... crops up , and those that speak their mind get branded racist). Well I don't have a "kind" and I'll say it as I see it , all races are as capable of racism , all can have a hard life , all can be discrimminated against .But as far as the general attitude to race goes in society these days , things have never been more fair and equal , and for people to still be making out life's harder for minorities in this day and age is ridiculous .
Let me tell you , I'm certainly glad I'm not living in the middle east where my ancestry lies or I'd have been on trial and possibly executed for leaving my religion (I was supposed to be a muslim ) , and Africa is rife with poverty , AIDS , and famine .

Any black , arab or asian living in Britain is lucky to be here and thats the bottom line , so lets cut the s**t.
Conversation over.....:xyxwave:


Ok, I understand what you are trying to say. But I can't help to think you really don't understand and some of what you said is ignorant. The truth is, you are mixed english/arab and most likely you will be light skinned and accepted more by your looks more than some other people. You have nothing attached to your looks and most likely fit in the same way as saskia(being quarter asian, but it would never arise as she seems like she could be english) would. I am not saying any race is better than another, I am just stating facts. Me being a different race, means I have to work a bit harder to get my place in a job someone else has easier access to, and then I would have to keep up the hard work to please my manager. Aswel as convincing I am far from the stereotype and having to prove myself to people who might think I look like a 'gangster'. Everyone can have a hard time, but to fit into society and working class it's hard for people like me. And I'm not complaining, I choose to live here, thats just the way it is. And I'm sorry, but we don't all have the same education as you do so please don't look into something and make comments when you are not actually a full witness to it. I have family members that were smart and tried to finish school too, but failed like me, not because they wanted to be 'gangstas' like you say, but because the education system let me and them down in our area, so they found selling drugs was a reliable option for them after being turned down from numerous jobs. It really is easy for someone to criticize and claim they know exactly what is going on inside the bubble they see on front of them. But the truth is, you never will know until you are inside that bubble experiencing it, as it is completely different to what you thought. I am not trying to argue or anything with you, I am just hoping you understand there is more to being a man with skin colour than wanting to be a 'gangsta'. We choose from our options, and sometimes, there is no option but the reliable one which we have to resort to. Anyway, I would go on for ages, so I will have to stop. The only race i favour, is the human race. Peace to everyone!!

[Sunny_01]

I knew this would happen - it was only a matter of time before the race card was played. At the end of the day we are all people and so are the HMs - does it matter what has gone before us to allow us to have the lives that we have now. Yes we have to respect history a lot but we dont have to live it!

I think that to be honest they are just from complete oppostie backgrounds and have generated to the ones that they are most like. I know I woul probs do the same.

At the end of the day you can only like who you like and no-one can make you do any different and we can no like everyone in this world now can we!

[hass]

At the end of the day


you have caught it LoL :joker::dance:

[GlitterEyes]

Im 50/50 on this . I think Makosi, Kemal and Vanessa stick together and play on their colour alot aswell as their backgrounds but I think science & derek are very much free spirits in the house. I dont think anyone is racist as such but i think the public will be slightly racist and vote for the saskia, max, ant and craig group. Big brother has mixed alot of ethnics in this year and it has formed bonds...but more with the Makosi group. I dont think Ant is racist but i think he just tries to be 'funny'.

[JessRF]

No it's not to do with racism. In Makosi's group are all the ones that like to bitch and that is what split them. They then chose Craig because he was willing to have a laugh and be picked on by Anthony and Maxwell. I don't think they even noticed that they were the only full white people there and in their group. I notice that it's always the black people that bring up the issue and make a deal. Plus do you ever see white people acting like Science, it is always those black rapper types that are loud, intimidating and refuse to socialise.

[stoney12]

"Try Big Brother Zimbabwe,love you might do better on there"Craig,live streaming,sunday night just before being birdied out.A racsist comment.

[selfinflicted]

Oh dear, oh deary me. It looks like the left wing establishment have succeeded in their mission to brainwash people in the west and turn them all into 'right-on' pc thought police, scrutinising every non-ethnics words and actions, waiting for any slightly non-pc comment so they can jump up and shout their favourite word - "RACIST".
I wonder who really suffers from racism in Britain today? What with ethnic quotas in all kinds of industries and public services, guaranteeing non-whites get preference and are hired over higher-qualified whites. There has just been a prosecution in the met police whereby three white officers who were hung out to dry and 'made an example of' won a case of unfair dismissal. In other words, a modern day witch hunt took place.
I read daily of 'ethnic' gangs of Asians or blacks terrorising, mugging and raping almost exclusively white passers by. Nobody utters a word. Sure, there are many white gangs who do the same. But contrast the coverage in the media of the Stephen Lawrence or Damilola Taylor cases, with that of Kriss Donald, Lee Walker, Michael Swindells, Gemma Atkinson, Stuart Watt etc etc, all murdered in racist attacks, but virtually ignored in our corrupt, bias media. I bet you've never heard of any of them.
Our left wing schools are brainwashing our children to believe that any white achievements in history were 'evil' while glossing over any savage or barbaric behaviour from our 'ethnic brothers'.
Meanwhile, people like science, the most arrogant, braindead example of a stereotype since Victor last year, walks around wailing that lifes not fair. The guy has a chip the size of Belgium on his shoulder. Learn some humility mate, realise that big egos are not attractive traits to have, and then maybe people will treat you with your much sought after, but little deserved, "respeck".

[rjack]

You couldnt be more spot on . The lefty pc thought police will call you racist but that is completely spot on . This is my first post on here . I was a victim of the pc police state official site banning me for a comment that was not in the least bit racist . It drives me up the wall !!! the way the p.c have taken over . I know Im not racist and thats what matters . My favourite is Dereck for a start!!!! This is just another example this thread of the pc brainwashing people. They can never bring themselves to admit that there is racism on all areas. I am a pluralist and pro diversity . Therefore I dont subsribe to the notion for instance that all races are equally as intelligent or that women are as good as men at everything and visa versa . The pc brigade are what George Orwell described in 1984 they want everyone to have no power of thought and no difference . They would love Britain to become a police state. I despise the BNP's policies but in a free society I respect their right to say those views , as I would except the radical left wing like Galloway . Freedom is being eroded by these idealist fascists . They mean well but are completely mis guided and counter productive . Freedom of speech rocks dont you dare stop it!!

[makosi]

Originally posted by Skillzini




I Disagree . Life can be equally hard for all races . I'm half-arab and lived in a predominanatly black and asian area and believe me , some of them bring their "hard life" on themselves by dropping out of school to become a gangsta and deal crack then they wonder why they're not welcomed with open arms when they go for a job .

Any black , arab or asian living in Britain is lucky to be here and thats the bottom line , so lets cut the s**t.
Conversation over.....:xyxwave: [/quote]

This person sounds really thick and twisted as if he has just returned from a BNP rally. Who does he mean by 'them'.

Listen idiot, I live in Glasgow, the murder capital of Europe, and I don't see the few blacks committing many crimes. I wonder if this 'hard live' you talk about also applies to the white population of Glasgow, where crime levels are severe. Are Glaswegians also lucky to live in Britain like their black and Asian counterparts?

You diddy muppet. Crime is everywhere in the world, and if you had any understanding of equality, you would not be saying such rubbish about black and asian people being lucky to live in the UK. Black and Asian people, as well as other races, form an intergral part of the success Britain has enjoyed.

[makosi]

Originally posted by Azzy
BTW -
The BNP aren't actually a racist party ,


Are you that simple?????

[GlitterEyes]

*sighs*

[Kore]

we are all humans, living on Planet Earth.

end of

[makosi]

Originally posted by JessRF
Plus do you ever see white people acting like Science, it is always those black rapper types that are loud, intimidating and refuse to socialise.


Are you saying that because white people, from your understanding, do not behave like Science, he must be some sort of inferior person? Listen muppet, the world is full of people from different cultures. Go and travel the world, and perhaps you would not feel so intimidated when you see a black person.

Loads of white people have made lots of dosh rapping, Eminem, Vanilla Ice, House of Pain; all of whom are probably louder than Science, who is just a baby at heart. You will find many guys at London schools, from all races, adopting a black persona to be cool. If you didn't have preconceived ideas about black people, you would not be talking such rubbish. Go and get an education, you dumbo.

[GlitterEyes]

The thing I dont like about Science is he bigs himself up to be someone when he is just another average contestant. No matter if he was black or white that doesnt matter thats just how i see him. I find him annoying.

[Kore]

yeah science annoys me because of his childish attitude

[kd]

I agree with all of makosis last replies completely:thumbs:

[makosi]

Originally posted by Azzy

Has it ever occured to you that Science hates white people

Where's your evidence??????? Is that a fact, or an opinion based on your ill conceived misconception stemming from your ignorance and fear?

I can't imagine any Black person, who is racist against white people, going on Big Brother. It would be like asking a BNP person to go on African BB.

I believe there is evidence to suggest Sakia's group is overtly racist. Not because they are always together, and because they share in their sly dumbness - but their general comments and attitude clearly reveal this fact. It is so so obvious. That's exactly how racist people behave. Common as muck. Science is only defending himself against the racist threesome who keep ganging up on him. Victor would have slapped them all down.

The two newcomers are completely different, and far more broadminded and mature.

[makosi]

Originally posted by GlitterEyes
The thing I dont like about Science is he bigs himself up to be someone when he is just another average contestant. No matter if he was black or white that doesnt matter thats just how i see him. I find him annoying.

He did annoy me at first, but he is just a simple guy who has a good heart. The moment the terrible threesome were ganging up on him, I began to support him all the way. Can't stand bullies, especially racist bullies.

[Kore]

Originally posted by makosi
Originally posted by GlitterEyes
The thing I dont like about Science is he bigs himself up to be someone when he is just another average contestant. No matter if he was black or white that doesnt matter thats just how i see him. I find him annoying.

He did annoy me at first, but he is just a simple guy who has a good heart. The moment the terrible threesome were ganging up on him, I began to support him all the way. Can't stand bullies, especially racist bullies.

racist bullies? what the hell are you on about?

stop making things up.

[makosi]

Originally posted by hass
no his head is just shaped like a malteser, i dont think he meant that to be a racist comment myself!:conf:


You simply don't make ignorant comments that can easily be intepreted as racist when you possess racial awareness. This guy is not only thick, but a racist bully, and he certainly wouldn't say that to a black person on the street. Of course it was racist. Would he have made the same comment had Derek been white? Of course not, he was purely making reference to Derek's colour.

[Kore]

Originally posted by makosi
Originally posted by hass
no his head is just shaped like a malteser, i dont think he meant that to be a racist comment myself!:conf:


You simply don't make ignorant comments that can easily be intepreted as racist when you possess racial awareness. This guy is not only thick, but a racist bully, and he certainly wouldn't say that to a black person on the street. Of course it was racist. Would he have made the same comment had Derek been white? Of course not, he was purely making reference to Derek's colour.

i hate racists.

but anthony wasnt being racist there!
people call other people names all the time. people with bowl cut hair 'moptop head'. people with mullet hair 'pinapple head'.


its exactly the same thing

[kd]

I agree science did go on a bit too much about living in bad areas (council estates) not 'ghetto'. But when he gets into arguments, he has a good reason for each one, it's not just because he feels like it. He is not being arrogant or bigging himself up in anyway at all. People say he's arrogant, but all he is doing is looking after himself, whether it be about food, hygiene, sharing and whatever else hes argued about. When people were failing the pirate task and ignoring him as captain, he wasn't shouting at them was he, he just let them do what they wanted. It's because he speeks his mind and is direct with people if there is any issues, he gets called ignorant. If you grow up with certain discipline, you express your point direct, and not just badmouth that person behind their back amongst friends. I am the same. I won't hate someone just if my friend is being bitchy(which they aren't at all anyway) and doesn't like them like craig does. But if someone is suposed to clean up or has stolen, or done something towards me. I will definately be shouting at them and telling them straight how I don't like what they did. Its better than letting things linger while people build up hate for eachother. Would you call that ignorant?. Also, science has always apologised to everyone he argued with too, now thats not arrogant is it?. I think he must just seem like scrooge to people that don't know people like that or haven't grown up in families like that. I have people who are strict in my family, one example is my uncle would shout at me and slap me in the face when I was 16 for throwing a chocolate sweet rapper on the floor and make a big deal of it, I hated him and other people in my family, but a few years later, it made sense, and I saw that he cared and he wasn't ignorant or arrogant. It's just our backgrounds which might be different. But the one who calls others arrogant, ignorant or whatever is the one who is arrogant themselves for trying to point it out. We don't all grow up the same, but we can learn deceny and respect, no one is perfect, so what makes you better than the next.

[makosi]

racist bullies? what the hell are you on about?

stop making things up. [/quote]

I don't have to make anything up, just have to watch the programme, and have a little bit of intelligence to see what is going on. Because the three of them are so thick, everyone can see through them, apart from you. Sorry to disapoint you, but the producers are having a field day because racism has never before surfaced on any of their shows, and any friction brings in loads of dosh. Wake up and smell the coffee!!!

[kd]

I can see the racism from people who are as transparent as a window. They have showed it plenty already. Its something that can't be explained to people that don't see it. But something that can be understood and seen by the people who know or who have witnessed it all throughout life. Its there no doubt!!

[Arneldo]

it hasnt got anything to do with race! you fools!

[kd]

It hasn't got anything to do with it, but some of it has been in there!

[makosi]

Originally posted by Kore

its exactly the same thing

I thought it was Maxwell who made the comment? But the point I was making is that the comment would not have been made had Derek been white. It is therefore racist because reference is distinctly being made to his colour while making a degrading comment.

It is often the case that racism is revealed unintentionally, but the act still amounts to racism.

As for Anthony, he kept calling Science you ugly this and that. Did he really mean to add something? Think about that racist stereotype saying!!!!!

[Kore]

Originally posted by makosi
racist bullies? what the hell are you on about?

stop making things up.

I don't have to make anything up, just have to watch the programme, and have a little bit of intelligence to see what is going on. Because the three of them are so thick, everyone can see through them, apart from you. Sorry to disapoint you, but the producers are having a field day because racism has never before surfaced on any of their shows, and any friction brings in loads of dosh. Wake up and smell the coffee!!! [/quote]

i have plenty of intelligence, fool.
your making yourself look an idiot, calling them all thick especially.. unless you know their examination results of course.

the producers are majorly unfair to maxwell, anthony and craig, they are massive fans of makosi and science. so editing does come into it.

at any little thing you brand them racist. people like you should wake up and see the world around you.

[makosi]

Originally posted by bb4eva[/i]
it hasnt got anything to do with race! you fools! [/quote]

Sorry, you are the fool for not seeing it. You will probably see the truth on DVD when it has become old news!!!!

[Kore]

Originally posted by makosi
Originally posted by Kore

its exactly the same thing

I thought it was Maxwell who made the comment? But the point I was making is that the comment would not have been made had Derek been white. It is therefore racist because reference is distinctly being made to his colour while making a degrading comment.

It is often the case that racism is revealed unintentionally, but the act still amounts to racism.

As for Anthony, he kept calling Science you ugly this and that. Did he really mean to add something? Think about that racist stereotype saying!!!!!

no maxwell didnt say it.

and you keep jumping to conclusions... you twist the comment they make and always connect it too racism, and im sorry that is plain pathetic.

i know when i see racism, and i havnt seen no evidence of it in this years big brother.

[Kore]

Originally posted by makosi
Originally posted by bb4eva[/i]
it hasnt got anything to do with race! you fools!

Sorry, you are the fool for not seeing it. You will probably see the truth on DVD when it has become old news!!!! [/quote]

i dont need the DVD, ive already seen it.

so i am no fool.

[makosi]

i have plenty of intelligence, fool.
your making yourself look an idiot, calling them all thick especially.. unless you know their examination results of course.

the producers are majorly unfair to maxwell, anthony and craig, they are massive fans of makosi and science. so editing does come into it.

at any little thing you brand them racist. people like you should wake up and see the world around you. [/quote]

It's not that the producers are being so unkind to Maxwell and his doppy friends. The producers realise that they are thick and making fools of themselves - and I don't need to look at their examination results to know they are thick.

Of course, it is my prerogative to challenge racism, and it is your prerogative to feel threatened whenever someone challenges racism. If you had any understanding of racism, you would realise that it is usually carried out in a subtle manner, but what is interesting about this show is that the dumb threesome cannot hide their racist feelings, and are rightfully being exploited by the producers for their dumb actions. They are getting worse by the minute.

[makosi]

i dont need the DVD, ive already seen it.

so i am no fool. [/quote]

You are indeed a fool. It has not come out on DVD because the programme has not finished. You obviously did not get my joke. It must be past your bedtime!!!!!

[makosi]

Originally posted by Kore
and you keep jumping to conclusions... you twist the comment they make and always connect it too racism, and I'm sorry that is plain pathetic.



Please correct me if I am wrong, dumbo, I thought this thread was about racism. Go elsewhere if you feel threatened and don't wish to participate in this topic

[coooliereal808]

How can saying that craig is a dickhead be homophobic .Craig is simply a dickhead by character. Plain and simple. For someone who tallks about using the word racism freely and then accuses others of being homophobhic freely, I think you are very confused and can't appreciate other people's opinions. Craig has evidentlly switched sides, severaltimes infact and who said it is anything to do with his sexuality. Evidently the only twat, is azzy, a confused one at that. Just because Science said something about white people does not mean he hates them. Don't twist things to your bias point of view. You seem to be a low class thug like Maxwell talking the occasional piece of sense when you can muster the strength to be 'civilised. Evidently you have a problem with everyone who is not white and accuse and stereotype them as always victimizing themselves. Fair enough people do get along better with people of the same ethnic group. But when you single someone out because of their colour and are nasty to them and do not make an effort to get along with them or are less nice to them because of their race, then you are going to have a problem.


Maxwell is tramp with his ***** following him like a dog. Yoshimi, don't be naive. If something is rude it is rude. Why do people always have to associate accepting rudeness with being 'liberal'. The reason why they get on well , is because they all shallow have no brain and are just tactical. scheming. All boring brainless airheads with nothing constructive to say. the jokes they make a re rubbish and they act like school kids. that's what they have in common. they are immature whole the other group examine them, dissect them and susst hem out because they have sense and depth and don't like shallow characters. Maxwelll and co are 'common' and that is why they get along.


Azzy you are just a fool, and stereotyping people does not help. The way you and Kore parade your ignorance, just proves me right. So you are saying that there are other races who do not drug deal or drop out of school. Why are you relying on an American stereotype to judge a whole race. No wonder you support that tramp Maxwell. No one cares if you are half arab. that does not make your opinion more important credible , non- prejudice or believeable just because you are of color.



I am sure that you are glad your mother is white, as she partially relieves you of any colour and gives you something to be 'proud of' . The reason why whites walk around on egg shells concerning issues of race, is because they have an on going history of racism and making other people's lives difficult because of their colour. What you said about Africa shows exactly who you are. Did you know Africa is a continent? Britain seems rife with paedophiles, people from this country going on holiday to countries in africa and Asia to abuse children and pay for sex,and do all the other nasty things that they would not want to be caught dead doing, larger louts, football hooligans, porn star wannabes , white trash, people stealing from their companies to finance extravagant lifestyles, sex orgy parties, obesity, eating disorders, teen pregnancy, people molesting and having sex with their own children and psoting it on the internet.



You think you know everything. Just because you have colour in you, you can't speak for everyone else who does and do snot mean you know both sides of the coin. You are an arrogant prick like Maxwell. Someone mixed who evidently prefers and 'over embraces' their white side and thinks that way. You are confused and twisted and your 'imbalance' is blatant. If you think other people don't know what goes on inside of the head of somone 'mixed' you are very wrong . You are very transparent.

[coooliereal808]

Makosi did not stereotype all football fans as hooligans. Maxwelll is a lout and a tramp, and she had seen this behaviour, so she commented rightly so. She said that Saskia would go from footballers to football hooligans. so don't twist it 'kore'. Chocolatist? You're fool. I am sure you are one those mixed people who values their white side and thanks God they have white in them and thinks they are above people of colour. I am sure you also wish you were completely white.


Sunny_01 is just another fool stereotyping anyone who is not white as 'victimizing themselves' and playing the 'race card'.

Glitter eyes, another bigoted idiot: Everyone spoke to everyone at first they did not stick with each other on the basis of colour. But now, the thugs have separated from the divas simple. If you are going to say that Makosi and Kemal are playing on race then what are the others doing? You are blatantly bias. JessF is obviously another bias ignorant thickie so I won't even bother. Do you ever see any other race acting like lager louts and makng such displays of rudeness all the time, especially about alcohol and always wanting to 'get pissed'? Maxwell's life ambition is to get 'pissed' . Do you ever see other races acting like that?. Are you honestly saying Maxwell is not loud and intimidating? Was he not the one that was 'getting physical' with Science , when Science wanted to drink the wine? Grabbing his shoulder. Look at the way he shouts and swears. he may raisehis voice but Science talks sense. When does she act like Maxwell? Do you ever see other races acting like white trash?


You do remember how he acted whenever he does not get any alcohol do you? Do you ever see other race s constantly getting arrested at night, drunk out of their minds having sex on lawns and in clubs, wanking eachother on tv. If Makosi turned it into a race thing , then why do you not see the other lot trying to befriend them or get along with them? Maxwell and co separated themselves from the beginning.

That goes for 'selfinflicted as well'. I read daily reports of white people prostituting and raping their own children, mugging, selling drugs, football hooligans, stabbings, drink driving, junior white trash terrorsing their neighbour hoods, endless paedophiles, getting arrested for prostitution and receving such services, white trash churning out babies and draining decent hardworking members of society like me of their hard earned money. Infact according to statistics 1 in every 4 men is a paedophile. What does that tell you?

Why don't people like Kore stop this stupidness about 'editing' not favouring certain people. Anthony,Max, Saskia and craig are simply showing their true colours, and the people that are saying the opposite are just in denial. You make yourself look so stupid.

This thread was a good idea. It shows the bigoted ignorance behind people who were perhaps once thought to be simply 'fans' of big brother. The same people who support the ignorant thick housemates are the same people who are bigots and proveed themselve to have ignorant theorries and be wastes of time when people talk common sense and logic to them. Thankyou very much. We have alll enjoyed the show of your true colours. I'm not sure if i have ever seen such a high count biigoted lloser s all gatherd in one forum (apart from the national front of course) :xyxwave::xyxwave::xyxwave: :laugh::laugh::laugh: All these bigots in here are a joke. They are so keen on the rubbish they say,and so confident in their ignorance it is UNBELIEVEBLE.

[coooliereal808]

The bigoted crap I hear fro so many people in this forum is exactly why races stay separated. They say this and that is nothing to do with racism and then look at the comments they make. They go onto make judgements on the basis of race. What a bunch of freaks! They don't even know the error of their ways and think it is 'normal' and 'fair' the way they think. They think these things about other races and then go and talk about how they and others are not racist. If not racist then bigoted, if not that, then ignorant. If not that, then prejudice and constanly stereo-typing . If not that then ALL of the above, so how can they expect people to respect their stupidity? I guess the idiots in the house represent the ones in this forum, who in turn support them. The idiots in the house are just a representative sample of those in society and certain people in the forum. That is why they are supported, not because they are entertaining, good, mentally stimulating, funny, great characters or respectful.

[GlitterEyes]

When Kemal enterted the house he picked out Makosi and said something along the lines of "im going to like you" are you telling me he would of done that if she was white? I think not! It was Makosi that even brought the race thing up mentioning that they were all together against the ones in the garden.

[makosi]

It was Makosi that even brought the race thing up mentioning that they were all together against the ones in the garden. [/quote]

Listen, take the glitter out of your eyes you thick person.

It is irrelevant who brought up the issue of racism. The fact is that it is present for everyone to see, and racism should not be a taboo subject. The level of racism has brought a Turkish person, Italian, African, and three persons of West Indian descent (I presume) together, when in fact, they are all very different, and perhaps would not have been friends otherwise.

There are so many tell-tale signs about a racist, and the thick gang of four are revealing all these signs; hence the reason the producers are winning. In fact, non-racist people simply do not behave like the gang of four. Compare these thick idiots to the Irish lady. No comparison. I would say the gang of four would embarrass most white people, while the ignorant minority would be admiring their dumbness.

Did you hear Maxwell trying to analyse the names of the three new constantans in his attempt to guess their origin. Poor lad of a lager lout obviously felt threatened.

[harry]

This question of racist - I said in another thread that I hoped the the Team split was not because of the racist issue.

Makosi did bring it up so does that make her a racist? Because until she said about it it had never cross my mind!!

There was a survey recently saying how many ethnic friends we have - well again until it was brought up I'd never thought about it.

My friends and people are all the same in my eyes and it is one issue that never comes to my mind.

[makosi]

[quote]Originally posted by GlitterEyes
When Kemal enterted the house he picked out Makosi and said something along the lines of "im going to like you"

So what, you dunce of an idiot. So would most men. She has an amazing character, and full of confidence. perhaps, you are just as daft as Maxwell, who feels threatened by a strong black woman.

Did you see how cool she was when evil Saskia acted like if she was on the Jerry Springer show, complaining about the booze? What a monster of a woman. Imaging introducing that to your family.

[InTheHood]

Some of them are racist.

The white group, inparticular Max and Saskia clearly are, but so is Makosi. She's from a country with a big black/white divide. Still doesn't excuse it

Derek, I wouldn't say was or Anthony.

It's a bit on both sides

[harry]

I thought the funniest thing about the row over the cider was the remarks about Makosi hair being a weave - she thought if was hysterical.

Saskia - again showed us how thick she is - is you are going to be rude then think before you speak.

Also - Jerry Springer like - Makosi said "I don't believe you are rowing over cider!!!"

How cheap is that Saskia - champers made BUT cider!

[makosi]

The following was taken from another site

Saskia actually said 'youve got a chip on your shoulder like 'you people' always do'.
Craig (in trying to show off to his new 'friends) also told Makosi she should go on BB Zimbabwe as she might have a better chance of winning that one.
They're disgusting - i dont know about Team Smug, more like Team Bigot. How many racist comments can people brush to one side? I always thought it was a crime to incite racial hatred.

[InTheHood]

Makosi also described Saskia as 'her sort'

What did she mean by that?

[makosi]

Originally posted by InTheHood
Some of them are racist.

The white group, inparticular Max and Saskia clearly are, but so is Makosi. She's from a country with a big black/white divide.


In the hood, you appear more dumb than dumb. How can you say that makosi must be racist because of the country in which she was born. You must be the thickest person in the world after Max

[InTheHood]

Originally posted by makosi
Originally posted by InTheHood
Some of them are racist.

The white group, inparticular Max and Saskia clearly are, but so is Makosi. She's from a country with a big black/white divide.


In the hood, you appear more dumb than dumb. How can you say that makosi must be racist because of the country in which she was born. You must be the thickest person in the world after Max

Me dumb?

Where did I say that? I said she was racist. In a new sentence I said, part of the reason could be that she's from a culture where their is a black/white divide

[James]

OK, thread locked time. Instead of a discussion about possible racism amongst the Big Brother housemates this thread has degenerated into a slagging contest to see who can insult another forum member the most.

There was some other bickering previously in this thread, should have locked it then.

I wish people would discuss the housemates and show, and not other forum members.