Why all the hate threads????

[Sunny_01]

I am so confused :shocked: I have been posting here for a fair few years now and have never seen as many official "hate threads" why have these nasty little threads popped up? I have always enjoyed the fact that we were different to the channel 4 site in that we actually talked about and debated events within the house.

I am really disappointed in the way this has changed the whole site to be honest come on guys can we get back to more of the talking and less of the arguing please :colour:

[Fangz]

It is up to people to post about the things they feel strongly about, and you have to admit, there has been some disgusting behaviour this year, from most, if not all the housemates.

[Slartibartfast]

Well said Sunny.

Through my possibly rose tinted glasses, I seem to remember last year being much better debating. Yes there was some hating going on but it was generally better structured and formed part of a good debating thread which actually had some other point apart from "I hate X".

It seems even the mods and admins are posting less.

I suppose when something becomes more popular you have to accept a drop in quality, but I join you in your plea for more talking and less arguing. Remember all, "it's good to talk" :colour:

[lilmissnaughty]

I see your point. But sometimes the hm's get on your nerves so much you just have to let off steam:laugh:

[fluffysquirrels]

I do agree with this post, ther are loads of hate threads flying around and it really isn't that necessary, god knows how many anti maxwell ones there are. I just went on Punch a Celeb and he is number one all time celeb to punch! He's above the likes of Jacko and Crazy Frog! Check it out. www.punchaceleb.com

[hass]

i know, give up its sad :nono::spin2:

[Linny]

I believe there are a lot of younger people posting on the boards who cannot always articulate their words well enough to post a constructive view without resorting to hateful threads. Of course not all do that ( she says with baited breath before she gets hammered by a teen ) but a lot do.

[tigerbeer]

We seem to have picked up a lot of the posters who have been excluded from the Official Site and other BB forums.

All the regular sites have been having problems this year, mainly with every statement being turned into a 'RACE' issue. DS:BB in particular had a massive problem but seem to be on top of it now.

The fact that the Inmates have split into seperate camps is not helping and channel 4 don't seem to be able to resolve this issue, or not yet anyway.

[BigSister]

I agree and I am posting less incase I get shot down for not agreeing with a certain thread. I remember last year the anti Jason Vic threads but some were funny this year it seems like a war

[Ruth]

I came here because I didn't like the general feeling of the official forum. I actually really like it here, but I am a bit surprised sometimes, not just by all the 'I hate' threads, but by the way that some forum members address each other.

[Linny]

Originally posted by BigSister
I agree and I am posting less incase I get shot down for not agreeing with a certain thread. I remember last year the anti Jason Vic threads but some were funny this year it seems like a war

I wouldnt worry too much Big Sister. It seems that many of the threads just seem to stop dead after someone posts a long interesting point of view about a person or subject. Its almost like some younger members just cant compete on that stimulating level. However I do think its a shame :bored: I have just spent a few moments on digital spy and as the previous poster stated that doesnt seem too bad, however I did go back and check out the official BB web site and was shocked by some of the threads there. That was the main reason I came to this board as it seemed more sensible.

[BigSister]

The ch4 forum is just so rude sometimes!

[InTheHood]

I came here too as the Official BB board is full of weirdos.

It seems some of them have made their way here.

If someone has to hate to make themselves feel better about their own insecurities, I just wish they stick to one thread.

The anti Maxwell threads are far too many. I'm not a Maxwell fan, but it's ridiculous.

I personally watch BB for enjoyment, not because I want to hate 1 person. I enjoy the interesting debates, but lately they are reduced, or seemingly are, due to silly threads which involve text speech, capital letters and hate threads.

I even got told to F Off by some kid yesterday, I nearly wet myself with laughter at the little brat :bouncy:

[Ruth]

I agree. I actually really don't like Maxwell, but there are too many threads about him - and also Makosi - which seem to exist just for someone to say "I hate them." My own belief is that to hate someone who you don't know is not good for you at all. I don't like some of the housemates, but I don't hate any of them, and would not wish any malice on any them.

[James]

As I said before I'm seeing the word 'hate' a lot on the forum at the moment. I mean I've always thought hating Big Brother housemates was a bit over-the-top despite how annoying you might find them.

Another thing is these 'official' hate threads. :conf: I don't know what makes them official, so I think I might remove that word.

As far as forum members being insulted and attacked that is unacceptable and against the rules so if you see a post like that use the report button. There are so many posts that I don't read all of them.

Oh, another thing is swearing. I think there's too much of it at the moment and it contributes to an aggresive and negative atmosphere. There are filters which edit swear words but people are getting round them by using a single star, which defeats the purpose of them.

I'll probably have to make a new 'sticky' post about all this.

[Sunny_01]

What a relief to see that I am not the only person that was feeling this way! - James I have every faith that you and the mods do your best to fight the battle against all the swearing etc.

I understand that there are a lot more younger posters here this year and to be honest I think that is fantastic BUT i dont think that age is an excuse for not being able to get a point across my 11 year old daughter can get her point across without being rude or using text talk.

I really enjoy a good debate and have no issue with my opinion being challenged as long is it isnt in a rude way - if there is a good argument to my opinion being challenged it just gives me food for thought and ensures that I think through my reply.

Come on lets get some real talking done here!!!!!

[InTheHood]

See a thread I started last night http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=34374

I'm glad I'm not the only one here with some kind of decency. Seems their are many of you :hello:

[Mike]

The big difference between this year and the past BB is that there seems to have been alot more younger people register on here and sometimes they take trying to get their point across too far.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by InTheHood
I'm glad I'm not the only one here with some kind of decency. Seems their are many of you :hello:

I believe most of the people on here are decent people, but there will always be people who don't put their point across very well.

On another note, I really can't stand text talk - it makes my head ache to read it!

[Kore]

all those little kids are the ones that like makosi and voted crazy frog... :(

and the ones who claim they are chavs i bet :bored:..lol

grr i hate chavs

[InTheHood]

I think a few of them have multiple usernames

[Kore]

and those that keep making anti-maxwell threads are making multiple threads about it:sleep:

[Sunny_01]

Kore you are a perfect example of what I have been trying to say - when you first started posting here you were pretty young but still able to get your point across in a really cool way - we all respected what you said ( and still do) and you came up with some hilarious reasons for why you liked and disliked people without having to use text talk or swearing at others or posting in an agressive manner - that might just be because you are cute though :spin2:

[Kore]

i loved the lot that posted here last year, too bad tha nadia lovers defeated JC members :xyxwave:

where is hooly, xishax and amy anyway?

i see lance, you and she devil and my fellow jc mates tho..lol.

even still this years lot on this forum are cool, there are one or two who abuse people for not thinking the way they do etc... or use alot of txt speak

[Mike]

Last year was great fun, the debates we had were brilliant.

[InTheHood]

Kore, meet Sunny, you've pulled :joker:

[Kore]

Originally posted by InTheHood
Kore, meet Sunny, you've pulled :joker:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Sunny_01]

Kore knows that I love him already he is an angel hehehe :xyxwave:

[BigSister]

Amy comes on but usually just to post articles SD comes on under Samz now and Hooly well you know me about that

[Seer]

Originally posted by Ruth
I agree. I actually really don't like Maxwell, but there are too many threads about him - and also Makosi - which seem to exist just for someone to say "I hate them." My own belief is that to hate someone who you don't know is not good for you at all. I don't like some of the housemates, but I don't hate any of them, and would not wish any malice on any them.

I think alot of the anti-Makosi threads are probably made by pro Maxwell people in retaliation to keep seeing anti-Max threads and vice versa as they are seen as threats to eachother.I can remember alot of the same thing last year between pro Nadia and pro Victor supporters especially the text messages that used to run along the bottom of the screen during live action(don't see it this year) but then it was always "luv nads go home Vic" "slick Vic to win Nads to go" etc What does my head in with Makosi though is i couldn't even stand her if she was an outsider to win but the fact she is one of the favourites *********g infuriates me more:devil:

[rachb]

I'm so pleased this thread was started:hello:
Life is far too short for hating:shocked:
It's ok to feel strongly about housemates but I think they all add something like or dislike them.
We always have differeing views on housemates but have always kept things friendly which is one of the main reasons I've stayed here so long:spin2:

[Amy]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I am really disappointed in the way this has changed the whole site to be honest

Never noticed this post but will agree 100% about this!!!! All the hate, swearing and arguing has changed my love for this site some what! I feel, at times, like I'm on another forum. What happened to posting and having a debate without resorting to swearing and calling people thick? We're all here to relax and talk about a show we all like together as well as giving our own opinion without being told we're stupid or fools. :bored: Someone mentioned to me the other day they were "scared" to post their opinion as someone may argue with them :bored:

[James]

In addition to this message (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=34488#pid135013), I've 'topped' this thread.

:thumbs:

[fluffysquirrels]

I know i've bickered with people before, but everyone must learn to just ignore those with strong opinions who decide to take the argument to another level and become personal.

It takes a warrior to walk away from a fight.

[Linny]

*One cannot debate with single mindled mentality* It's paramount to bashing ones head against a brick wall and why would one?

[Ruth]

Yep, you're right. I have my favourite housemates and housemates I don't particularly like, but I would never criticise or insult someone just because they feel differently - we're all entitled to our opinion. I have noticed quite a few posts along the lines of "Are you *******ing stupid" and "you must be thick" etc., and I think it's a shame that people who post things like that can't find the words to express themselves in a better way.

I would say though that as a relative newbie to the forum, I do think the vast majority of people on here are great and open to good debate - it's only a minority who spoil things a bit.

[Razmataz]

Hate Threads are negative and even though i kinda enjoy replying and putting my posts into them id rather talk about fave housemates etc etc etc

[Kore]

someones fave thread is somebody elses hate thread...

so it kinds of cancels itself out really

[Lance]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I am so confused :shocked: I have been posting here for a fair few years now and have never seen as many official "hate threads" why have these nasty little threads popped up? I have always enjoyed the fact that we were different to the channel 4 site in that we actually talked about and debated events within the house.

I am really disappointed in the way this has changed the whole site to be honest come on guys can we get back to more of the talking and less of the arguing please :colour:

Could not agree more Sunny.It's the exact same first comment I made when I saw 3 hate threads on one page.

Why can't people just talk about something and create a good thread like "Vanessa To Win" or something...it's a shame really.I really enjoyed TiBB last year but this year it's very different.:bored:

[James]

We've got a new 'zero tolerance' policy about insulting posts and swearing. Hopefully this should improve the atmosphere on the board.

Lots of warnings today.

[fluffysquirrels]

I've only begun usiing this forum this year and it is rather disturbing how many hateful comments are being written on here, no need for it in this day and age surely??

[Red Moon]

fluffysquirrels

it's wasn't like this last year. We use have digs at each other in a fun way and there was none of the nastiness you are seeing at the moment on the board. I think part of what we are seeing is a reaction to the show this year. The housemates clearly have strong and sometimes hateful feeling to others in the house and this spilling over onto the threads.

Red

[fluffysquirrels]

I agree, i don't understand why the moderators aren't more strict? WHy not threaten to boot or log IP addresses etc etc. There are some rather yobbish characters on here sometimes with some horrible language. It's nice to see someone has started some 'I Like....' threads at last.

[Red Moon]

The Moderators are doing a great job. It's difficult for them they are not full time and they can't read everything and they want to watch big brother too. The best we can do to help is to keep hitting that report button when we see the yobbish posts.

The problem with banning i/p addresses is they can be change, for example I have ADSL and if I restart my router I get a new i/p address to play with!

However recording the i/p address and login times could be done but what would you do with them. You could write to their Internet Service Provider, but do you think they would take action and lose a customer?

[Sunny_01]

Thanks James for taking the feelings of everyone on board - you are a star. I wouldnt thank you for having the thankless task of trying to keep up with and moderate this site buts its fantastic to know you are trying.

Maybe we can get some good old debates going now!!!

[Red Moon]

I'm with you there Sunny. We had some wonderful debates last year.

[Lance]

Originally posted by Red Moon
fluffysquirrels

it's wasn't like this last year. We use have digs at each other in a fun way and there was none of the nastiness you are seeing at the moment on the board. I think part of what we are seeing is a reaction to the show this year. The housemates clearly have strong and sometimes hateful feeling to others in the house and this spilling over onto the threads.

Red

Yeah Red,I remember the good old days of last year.i do find myself coming on here less and less though because of so much negativity,I like just having a nice debate or chat about the antics of those in the house.

And last year we just had a bit of fun,nothing half as aggressive as it is this year...from some people,there is still the odd person out there who you can have a good lengthy debate with without it getting heated.:bored:

[coooliereal808]

I made my very first post just the other day and let me tell everyone something. The ridiculous, rude, bigoted, bias and twisted nonsense I saw going on in several threads, especially from people who are in this thread now was absolutely ridiculous, so those same people are no one to talk. The excuses for what they said were even more disgraceful. They swore themselves. The ones that did not swear also said really bad things. It does not matter how old you are, when someone feels wronged they will talk about it. Swearing depends on who does it. For some people it is merely 'staple vocabulary' thrown around. Others use it to get their point across or whne they feel seriously wronged or when someone has done it to them. When you have a group of people with a certain 'mind set', just as that Anthony group on BB, they of course are going to become comfortable and set in their ways, because they have others supporting them and when anyone else who comes along with a different opinion , especially to stand up against the wrong that this group of people do, they refuse to be corrected.




Age has absolutely NOTHING to with maturity. This forum makes it evident To put it really , really simply, why are there not more childrens correctional facilities than jails? Adults commit plenty of crime and do plenty of bad things, there are younger generations more mature than certain adults. You do not become an adult , simply by 'ageing'. Maturity and wisdom comes from experience and making the choice to mature. Now when I see those same bigoted and immature hypocrites tallking about the quality of other people I can not believe it. They have only bought me to conclude, that when a twisted group of individuals gets together, anyone who opposes them will look out of place.


It must be taken into consideration that this year we are dealing with annoying ,mean, rude and selfish housemates, so people's reactions are not going to that 'pleasant' to 'unpleasant people'. It is the housemates causing such reactions. They cannot do the things they do and expect people to go and have a 'picnic' about it.

[Slartibartfast]

I've read the above posts a few times, and am still none the wiser as to what actually is being said. Apart from a few broad sweeping and IMO factually incorrect generalisations and conclusions, I'm not really sure what the overall message is.

If it's that you think people should swear and that we should expect it because of the way the housemates act(final paragraph seems to say this) then it's a simple reply. If the mods and admins say no swearing, then there's no swearing. We agree to abide by their rules when we sign up. Yes, I've swore in a few threads and it has been auto-censored, but the position is clear now. Zero tolerance. Thats their decision and we either follow it or face the inevitable consequences.

To give you credit though, I think your's is the first post I have seen to actually spell "hypocrite" correctly. Kudos for that at least.

[Lance]

Originally posted by Kore
all those little kids are the ones that like makosi and voted crazy frog... :(

and the ones who claim they are chavs i bet :bored:..lol

grr i hate chavs

Kore how can you hate chavs and like Maxwell.Isn't he the definition of a chav or am I missing something?:laugh:

[Azzy]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I am so confused :shocked: I have been posting here for a fair few years now and have never seen as many official "hate threads" why have these nasty little threads popped up? I have always enjoyed the fact that we were different to the channel 4 site in that we actually talked about and debated events within the house.

I am really disappointed in the way this has changed the whole site to be honest come on guys can we get back to more of the talking and less of the arguing please :colour:

There are so many hate-able people in the house !!!:rolleyes:

[Kore]

Originally posted by Lance
Originally posted by Kore
all those little kids are the ones that like makosi and voted crazy frog... :(

and the ones who claim they are chavs i bet :bored:..lol

grr i hate chavs

Kore how can you hate chavs and like Maxwell.Isn't he the definition of a chav or am I missing something?:laugh:

:laugh:maxwell isnt a chav, lance!!! heh:thumbs::spin::thumbs:

[Linny]

Never could figure out what a 'Chav' really really meant or is there some other subtle meaning behind the word and i am just missing the point?

[~Kizwiz~]

I dont think there is a need to swear or bully if you can get your point across in a reasonable way.... I would pay much more respect to someone who dicussed a veiw without bringing it down to a slanging match
:hugesmile:

[coooliereal808]

Naive people are not respected either. They are a nuisance and looked upon with disdane. Especially where they try and apply 'utopian politics' to real simple everyday life and in a 'free environment' , discussing sensitive topics, where at least minimal deviance is nothing new.

A few words, on how speech determines someones 'quality'. No one is trying to excuse swearing. Who was bullying? I know I wasn't. This idea that just because someone swears or exchanges insults, they are 'this and that', is naive, because the people who I see acting all sophisticated and 'quiet and mature' are the same people who slag people off behind their backs, when they are ready. They know how to act and they know how to protect their image. Or even if they do not insult or swear, these same people will sit back and laugh, if the negative attention, swearing and insults is directed at someone they hate.


I see these same people who supposedly have 'clean mouths' going about ruining people in their own way. They have different 'strategies' . A little rumour here. A little gossip there. It does not take much. Dropping hints here and there to make people turn against others or treat them like an out cast or badlly, or look down on them. Words are nothing. It is who is saying them. Especially if they are someone who professes to being nice. These people often put nasty ideas into people's heads and then others end up doing their dirty work for them and they still have a nice image. Are still a nice person.

People really do have to get real. The words people use do not determine their character, as in the 20th and 20th century, even within the last decade, rapid paces of change have taken place and many things have taken on different , ambiguous or varied meanings altogether. swearing is nothing. Mundane. Banalised. A mere smack on the wrist. There are people who manipulate this idea that if you do not say certain words you are a good, deecent, civilised, mature or just simply 'better person' than someone who does. They manipulate it by acting a certain way and not using certain words, to carve a perfect image...but on the inside? You don't even want to know what they are capable of and what these peopl do around like minded people, with whom they can 'get away' with doing/saying bad things. Trust me, the worst people keep it on the inside because they have something to hide. They are more wary and guarded as they know that if people knew the real them, they would be seen in a totally different light and people would not like them.

The conclusion? Words are nothing. Don't make such a fuss. Life isn't always going to be 'rosy'. and 'picture perfect'. If it gets too hot , leave the kitchen, because people are not always goign to act the way you want. There are things I don't like and have to put up with. It is life. Personalities clash. No 2 people are the same.

[James]

I'll put this here, it's not in response to the previous message.

I don't know where to start with this. Of the other TiBB admin, Mark has been unable to get online much recently and Kaz has been on holiday. Amy has not been online as often.

So I'm essentially moderating this board on my own. It's taking me long enough to read the posts, never mind deal with them.

People are blatently ignoring the rule not to insult other members. If you don't have this rule it just becomes a free-for-all which can lead to anarchy. There are assumptions being made about forum members characters which never happen as result of which Big Brother housemates they like and dislike - this should never happen

It's all getting out of hand.

[Z]

hmmmmmmmm...

seems to me you should maybe sort through the worst offenders James and maybe have a short term ban...?

*im not trying to stir trouble here, just helping out*

[Amy]

Originally posted by James
I'll put this here, it's not in response to the previous message.

I don't know where to start with this. Of the other TiBB admin, Mark has been unable to get online much recently and Kaz has been on holiday. Amy has not been online as often.

So I'm essentially moderating this board on my own. It's taking me long enough to read the posts, never mind deal with them.

People are blatently ignoring the rule not to insult other members. If you don't have this rule it just becomes a free-for-all which can lead to anarchy. There are assumptions being made about forum members characters which never happen as result of which Big Brother housemates they like and dislike - this should never happen

It's all getting out of hand.

I'm disappointed that James had to take this board offline through silly arguments that need not happen we are all supposed to be grown up enough to realise that this TELEVISION SHOW is what it is just a television show! I for one do not like every single housemate in the house but I do NOT feel the need to start an argument saying how much I hate certain housemates and hope they leave this, for one thing, starts arguments! All these Racist posts! Why? What does it achieve? I appreciate we all have strong views on different housemates but do we really need to have arguments about it? TiBB.com prides itself on being a FRIENDLY board and that was what it was a friendly board until people started using forums for punching bags please people THINK before you post if you're angry about a post on a housemate you like is it really worth flying off the handle for!??!

I shall close this thread now and hope that we can, from today, move on from posts that cause offence, argue or upset fellow forum members