Beas Rant-Finally Someone In BB With a Brain

[johnx]

Beas rant about about the fantasy world people are encouraged to exist in was the first time this year anyone has expressed a reasonably intelligent opinion.For that she has been branded pretentious.Maybe people would rather listen to the inane witterings of Sophie,Rodrigo and Charlie.Or Davids escapades around various car boot sales.

[Dolphin-and-Whale]

Ye it was a good chat they had

[johnx]

As Bea said if you try and have an intelligent conversation in there David will interupt and start talking about Yorkshire puddings.

[davidalbert]

Bea was WRONG about there not being ALIENS though......she is one te he :tongue:

[johnx]

Originally posted by davidalbert
Bea was WRONG about there not being ALIENS though......she is one te he :tongue: Dont think she's gonna stop the debate on that somehow.Bea's just waiting for the chance to drop some conspiracy theories on this lot which I,for one,am looking forward to.

[loomy]

Larkin got there first

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by LethalDealer
Ye it was a good chat they had
Yes an awesome chat infact! :thumbs:

Such an exploringly intelligent conversation and the way it went from science-fiction towards it's connection with basic social dynamics was fascinating.

They must have chatted for over 2 hours together.

Shame Bea and Halfwit had a fall out when Bea went to bed, Halfwit creeping her out and putting his foot in the mud, so to speak! Not good ...

[Hedgie]

I enjoyed it, from what i saw. Thems the sort of chats with a bevvy i like to have :spin2: Although i only caught the tail end of it. :( My pc is in the kitchen, my tv is in the living room. I can't watch and type dammit! :sad:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Hedgie
I enjoyed it, from what i saw. Thems the sort of chats with a bevvy i like to have :spin2: Although i only caught the tail end of it. :( My pc is in the kitchen, my tv is in the living room. I can't watch and type dammit! :sad:
It was over 2 hours long, shame you disn't watch it!

It basically went from a discussion on science fiction, then gradually moved towards a discussion about how people live their lives in a brainwashed state, then social dynamics and how it links to all of that.

Bea focused on science fiction being pointless, people need to get out more and actively work towards a better reality, screens etc are harming people more than doing them good, it could be a conspiracy by the government to distract people from the real goings on.

Marcus combatted this by saying that not everyone is accepted socially by others to even go out and have fun etc, and that screens at least offer an avenue for nerds/geeks/losers/loners to express themselves and interact through a medium. He said that there's always been people like this (isolated), but technology now enables us to be more aware (and stereotyping!) of them. He also says that technology, science-fiction etc also ties in to human's wiring to be progressive, advance in intelligence and ultimately to not be bored! He said tigers are becoming extinct, significantly due to apathy and boredom re-production.

Very interesting, loved it, awesome! :thumbs:

[Hedgie]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Hedgie
I enjoyed it, from what i saw. Thems the sort of chats with a bevvy i like to have :spin2: Although i only caught the tail end of it. :( My pc is in the kitchen, my tv is in the living room. I can't watch and type dammit! :sad:
It was over 2 hours long, shame you disn't watch it!

It basically went from a discussion on science fiction, then gradually moved towards a discussion about how people live their lives in a brainwashed state, then social dynamics and how it links to all of that.

Bea focused on science fiction being pointless, people need to get out more and actively work towards a better reality, screens etc are harming people more than doing them good, it could be a conspiracy by the government to distract people from the real goings on.

Marcus combatted this by saying that not everyone is accepted socially by others to even go out and have fun etc, and that screens at least offer an avenue for nerds/geeks/losers/loners to express themselves and interact through a medium. He said that there's always been people like this (isolated), but technology now enables us to be more aware (and stereotyping!) of them. He also says that technology, science-fiction etc also ties in to human's wiring to be progressive, advance in intelligence and ultimately to not be bored! He said tigers are becoming extinct, significantly due to apathy and boredom re-production.

Very interesting, loved it, awesome! :thumbs:
Some incredibly valid points from Marcus, although unsure about tigers as an example. I hope i'll be able to watch some more of these late night chats, but i think Bea may be nominated and saying goodbye this week.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Hedgie
I enjoyed it, from what i saw. Thems the sort of chats with a bevvy i like to have :spin2: Although i only caught the tail end of it. :( My pc is in the kitchen, my tv is in the living room. I can't watch and type dammit! :sad:
It was over 2 hours long, shame you disn't watch it!

It basically went from a discussion on science fiction, then gradually moved towards a discussion about how people live their lives in a brainwashed state, then social dynamics and how it links to all of that.

Bea focused on science fiction being pointless, people need to get out more and actively work towards a better reality, screens etc are harming people more than doing them good, it could be a conspiracy by the government to distract people from the real goings on.

Marcus combatted this by saying that not everyone is accepted socially by others to even go out and have fun etc, and that screens at least offer an avenue for nerds/geeks/losers/loners to express themselves and interact through a medium. He said that there's always been people like this (isolated), but technology now enables us to be more aware (and stereotyping!) of them. He also says that technology, science-fiction etc also ties in to human's wiring to be progressive, advance in intelligence and ultimately to not be bored! He said tigers are becoming extinct, significantly due to apathy and boredom re-production.

Very interesting, loved it, awesome! :thumbs:

I agree it was one of the best televised discussions they had.

Bea had a point about western civilization being apathetic to the plight of others.

However blaming it all on science fiction didn't sit well with Marcus.

I hope they continue it another night.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by Hedgie

Some incredibly valid points from Marcus, although unsure about tigers as an example. I hope i'll be able to watch some more of these late night chats, but i think Bea may be nominated and saying goodbye this week.

I'm not sure he clarified his point on tigers.

Maybe he was getting at the fact we feel the way we do is because of evolution.

Its in our nature to surround ourselves with distractions and entertainment.

[Hedgie]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by Hedgie

Some incredibly valid points from Marcus, although unsure about tigers as an example. I hope i'll be able to watch some more of these late night chats, but i think Bea may be nominated and saying goodbye this week.

I'm not sure he clarified his point on tigers.

Maybe he was getting at the fact we feel the way we do is because of evolution.

Its in our nature to surround ourselves with distractions and entertainment.
I didn't see it all so i can't really voice an opinion. I really wish i could!! :sad:
It's an epic topic to cover though. There are so many angles to come from as to why we are the way we are. education, diet, social are just a handfull, and theres already a couple of hours worth just touching those bases. I saw that Bea was exhausted and had to go to bed. Maybe they'll carry it on tonight. :spin2:

[camertone]

bea is quite unstable, psychotic, dumb, stupid, ill educated, i haven't heard anything intelligent from her mouth, her ramblings have no substance.

[delta]

Originally posted by camertone
bea is quite unstable, psychotic, dumb, stupid, ill educated, i haven't heard anything intelligent from her mouth, her ramblings have no substance.

Well said, that man/ woman!!


To add to the above, she is an inverted snob, she claims to be a woman of the people, bohemian in outlook with hippy friends. She looks down on everyone in there and why?

I guess it must be she is half way through a psychologist training and it's given her illusions of grandeur, and positions way above her station in life.

The problem with a little bit of knowledge in the wrong hands, it can be extremely dangerous. She is a prime example of this. I will only go on to reiterate a previous post, anyone stands up to her, she caves in, or tries to shout over them, usually the latter when she thinks she has the upper hand intellectually. When the opposition is more erudite, her voice breaks into a quivering dual tone, etched with a combination of fear and disbelief that someone should have the temerity to offer a more sensible and plausible opinion.

[Tenantry]

Originally posted by johnx
As Bea said if you try and have an intelligent conversation in there David will interupt and start talking about Yorkshire puddings.

There's nowt wrong with YORKSHIRE PUDDINGS!:mad:

Me and david would have chatted about that till eviction night:xyxwave:

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by delta

When the opposition is more erudite, her voice breaks into a quivering dual tone, etched with a combination of fear and disbelief that someone should have the temerity to offer a more sensible and plausible opinion. :love: this sentence.

[philmurph]

stupid bitch thinks no one has landed on the moon yes your right she's got a brain it's a pity it's up her ass:wavey:

[BBmassive]

Originally posted by Tenantry
Originally posted by johnx
As Bea said if you try and have an intelligent conversation in there David will interupt and start talking about Yorkshire puddings.

There's nowt wrong with YORKSHIRE PUDDINGS!:mad:

Me and david would have chatted about that till eviction night:xyxwave: EYY lad ,i will bleddy well join thi !!

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
I agree it was one of the best televised discussions they had.

Bea had a point about western civilization being apathetic to the plight of others.

However blaming it all on science fiction didn't sit well with Marcus.

I hope they continue it another night.
I wish I was there discussing this with them, because I think I would have been a nice intermediary in terms of where I sit on the continuum.

The thing is, there's a contradiction with Bea; she highlights that people don't care about these loners/nerds etc and just accept that they are locked way on their screens, and that we should try and encourage/bring about more social interactions, better lives, etc.

BUT: If people did that in the first place, people wouldn't be locked away. So her 'consideration' and 'care' to resolve this dilemma, could actually be considered a form of ridicule/tease/taunting.

e.g.) You contribute to someone being isolated, but you then criticize/comment on/have low regard for the way they live their life; it's like a doubled effect of kicking them into the ground. It's also negative affirmation: "I can't fit in, and they also hate the way I live ... so we really have nothing in common and they are agianst me and the way I am. They aren't accepting."

I hope you get what I've said above, because it's something that neither seemed to really pick up on. It's like a circular problem.

Marcus picked up on social seperation and survival of the fittest; there's always nerds/loners/geeks who aren't accepted, so the internet/movies/screens are an avenue for these types to become pre-occupied with and to interact through.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by camertone
bea is quite unstable, psychotic, dumb, stupid, ill educated, i haven't heard anything intelligent from her mouth, her ramblings have no substance.
You're exaggerating there, I know she's overly confident and thinks she's cleverer than she is. But she does make good points, is articulate and is very cunning. But I do agree, she does 'miss the boat at times', proverbially speaking. Marcus is cleverer IMO.

[Prole]

I liked Bea to start with. Now I'm not so sure. She's very self-assured, and that's not always a bad thing, but she never entertains for one moment the notion that she might be wrong. About anything. And she often is.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by ViaVerde
I liked Bea to start with. Now I'm not so sure. She's very self-assured, and that's not always a bad thing, but she never entertains for one moment the notion that she might be wrong. About anything. And she often is.
A lot of it is barriers I think, mental barriers. Like Marcus has his barriers up to delude himself into thinking he's always correct and dominant. This is to protect himself form the painful truth.

With Bea, she also has barriers; to delude herself into believing she's a really good natured, lovely person who is very intelligent and rarely wrong.

She never picked up on the fact that nerds/loners/geeks become like they do and into sci-fi, because they're rejected from society to begin with.

Marcus didn't, or didn't say this at least (to not come across as a victim? Meh), but that was the thing that struck me from the convo.

She pinpoints these people, instead of thinking about the bad in those who influenced/caused/participated in the becoming of their ways.

[shash]

I am absolutely all for some more intelligent conversations in the house, and initially loved Bea for providing that. However, my problem with her now is the tone she has adopted of superiority and that her view is the only view and everyone else is talking rubbish. I really object to this and being so closed she is not as intelligent as I once thought she was, although I do accept she has raised the level of conversation since her arrival. Her conversations now resemble lectures sometimes. Marcus was very good during that chat btw, I argued reasonably, calmly and intelligently. Charlie could not cope with the conversation at all and retired to bed :laugh:

Unfortunately Bea made some silly generalisations and assumptions and refuses to budge from these stereotypes. There is also the irony of her being in a house which stands for so much of what she was arguing against.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004


The thing is, there's a contradiction with Bea; she highlights that people don't care about these loners/nerds etc and just accept that they are locked way on their screens, and that we should try and encourage/bring about more social interactions, better lives, etc.

BUT: If people did that in the first place, people wouldn't be locked away. So her 'consideration' and 'care' to resolve this dilemma, could actually be considered a form of ridicule/tease/taunting.

e.g.) You contribute to someone being isolated, but you then criticize/comment on/have low regard for the way they live their life; it's like a doubled effect of kicking them into the ground. It's also negative affirmation: "I can't fit in, and they also hate the way I live ... so we really have nothing in common and they are agianst me and the way I am. They aren't accepting."

I hope you get what I've said above, because it's something that neither seemed to really pick up on. It's like a circular problem.



I'm pretty sure I get it.

Like, a person has been isolated from society, and instead of just accepting that and seeing that a new online communty has been created and that they are part of.

Her solution is to make them return to the very society that isolated them.

[Prole]

Some people are just solitary people. Some people don't want to endlessly socialise... they prefer to be alone for a good part of the time. People should be allowed to do what they want! I'm not the world's most gregarious person and I would hate to be dragged into social situations where I don't want to be simply because someone like Bea thinks it would be good for me. She doesn't have all the answers.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by shash
I am absolutely all for some more intelligent conversations in the house, and initially loved Bea for providing that. However, my problem with her now is the tone she has adopted of superiority and that her view is the only view and everyone else is talking rubbish. I really object to this and being so closed she is not as intelligent as I once thought she was, although I do accept she has raised the level of conversation since her arrival. He conversation now resemble lectures sometimes. Marcus was very good during that chat btw, I argued reasonably, calmly and intelligently. Charlie could not cope with the conversation at all and retired to bed :laugh:
The thing is, despite Marcus tending to be right more often, and perhaps being as/more intelligent than Bea, he's also succumbing to her powers. He's appeasing her somewhat in these discussions and doesn't stamp his dominance all over it, like he has done with others. There's still a significant degree of just entertaining Bea, pleasing her and somewhat agreeing with her. She has the power over the guys, in various ways.

She then retreated to bed and had Freddie kissing her a*se and trying to prove himself as a great, misunderstood, unlusting type of guy. But she still asserted her power without due consideration; telling him off and to shut up and fall asleep!

[cell]

I just found it outstanding that she considers science fiction and scientific technology in general to be and irrelevant waste of time which pulls away from reality and social structure and is saying this while in the Big Brother (which is the epitome of a artificial science fiction style environment) house competing for a monetary prize. She never said she would be donating this money to any type of greater good or charity...
Does she not realize the technology in the house that allows people to watch and vote is the reason why there is a 100 000 pound prize to compete for?
Does she not realize there are thousands of people on online forums right now discussing and debating the very show she is competing in? Is that not some type of social unity being created by technology?
I wonder if she realized how hypocritical her comments came across as...

[shash]

Originally posted by ViaVerde
Some people are just solitary people. Some people don't want to endlessly socialise... they prefer to be alone for a good part of the time. People should be allowed to do what they want! I'm not the world's most gregarious person and I would hate to be dragged into social situations where I don't want to be simply because someone like Bea thinks it would be good for me. She doesn't have all the answers.

exactly! she has a very narrow and simplistic view of some things. Not as clever as she thinks she is. I really did like her initially you know, but have met her type before ...

[sl3ptsolong]

Bea is too good a person for most people to accept it I find. Just because you may not lead a life with a halo around your head doesnt mean other people dont. Jealousy is a terrible thing in society. Its ashame this girl is going to be boo'd out of the house and braught down to a level of the "general" public.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by cell
I just found it outstanding that she considers science fiction and scientific technology in general to be and irrelevant waste of time which pulls away from reality and social structure and is saying this while in the Big Brother (which is the epitome of a artificial science fiction style environment) house competing for a monetary prize. She never said she would be donating this money to any type of greater good or charity...
Does she not realize the technology in the house that allows people to watch and vote is the reason why there is a 100 000 pound prize to compete for?
Does she not realize there are thousands of people on online forums right now discussing and debating the very show she is competing in? Is that not some type of social unity being created by technology?
I wonder if she realized how hypocritical her comments came across as...
Yes, she's not as clever or as often correct as she thinks she is.

She does have flaws in her arguments and misses key things. Like WHY these nerds/loners/geeks even END UP in the situations they are in ...

Her views and thought patterns are sometimes narrow and too simplistic.

[philmurph]

Originally posted by sl3ptsolong
Bea is too good a person for most people to accept it I find. Just because you may not lead a life with a halo around your head doesnt mean other people dont. Jealousy is a terrible thing in society. Its ashame this girl is going to be boo'd out of the house and braught down to a level of the "general" public. she's a tramp

[IsleOfWeather]

her no man on the moon stance is just based on hearing a few unusual facts about the moon landing which sound plausible and simply believing it to the detriment of the ONE huge glaring fact.


the fact that no one can keep a secret, least of all people who work for companies and authorities. for her theory to be right it would rely on so many frail human beings all keeping stum. it is preposterous and far more far fetched than what she is arguing against.

It is hard enough for a murderer to hold his tongue.


Her credibility was undermined to the point of making the rest of the chat a waste of breath.

[Prole]

Originally posted by sl3ptsolong
Bea is too good a person for most people to accept it I find. Just because you may not lead a life with a halo around your head doesnt mean other people dont. Jealousy is a terrible thing in society. Its ashame this girl is going to be boo'd out of the house and braught down to a level of the "general" public.

Jealous of what? You don't personally know anyone on this forum so I don't see how you could judge whether any of us would be jealous of anyone.

[Prole]

Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
her no man on the moon stance is just based on hearing a few unusual facts about the moon landing which sound plausible and simply believing it to the detriment of the ONE huge glaring fact.


the fact that no one can keep a secret, least of all people who work for companies and authorities. for her theory to be right it would rely on so many frail human beings all keeping stum. it is preposterous and far more far fetched than what she is arguing against.

It is hard enough for a murderer to hold his tongue.


Her credibility was undermined to the point of making the rest of the chat a waste of breath.

I don't often agree with you IOW... but I do on this count. People who deny the moon landings are just tiresome. Unless they're called Billy-Bob and live in a trailer in Nevada... then they're just funny. Furthermore, science fiction has often turned into science fact, as Arthur C Clarke pointed out. And he knew a thing or two... a bit more than Bea anyway.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by sl3ptsolong
Bea is too good a person for most people to accept it I find. Just because you may not lead a life with a halo around your head doesnt mean other people dont. Jealousy is a terrible thing in society. Its ashame this girl is going to be boo'd out of the house and braught down to a level of the "general" public.
She doesn't lead a life with a halo around her head though. Infact it's quite the opposite. She couldn't even see that she's part of the crowd who contribute to shutting off/aiding the isolation of these geeks/loners/nerds, whom she criticizes and ridicules.

She also isn't as honest, open and daring like she thinks she is. Prime example: Bi*ching about David in the kitchen, then the time he races into the kitchen by chance, she is rattled and retorts to asking how he's doing, with a very worried look on her face.

Her treatment of Freddie hasn't shown much tact for his loyalty to her as a friend, although he is in the wrong with regards to certain actions of his.

[Sticks]

With regards to her ignorance of the Moon landings, I have started a thread here (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=133918)

[Daffodil]

The trouble with Bea is she is too up herself. Sometimes it is nice to have a break in deep, meaningful conversations for a bit of light hearted banter or trivia! It's the communicating that is important, not necessarily what is being communicated.
I am damn sure if Bea spoke to me, I would be bored out of my head in minutes, simply because she is so conceited.