I have eventually watched the Freddie 'bullying' David video!

[Vicky.]

My internet has been playing up, and I couldnt watch it til now.

Jesus, by the reactions of some on here you would think he had picked up a knife and held it to davids throat.

He wasnt bullying him at all, to me it looked a lot like he was perplexed at how david could befriend lisa after watching the show and knowing what she was like...and fair point to him.

Obviously he wont see why anyone from the outside could possibly like her. And to those who were saying marcus and bea also ganged up on him, i think your vision is clouded by hate. All Bea did was say she didnt udnerstand why he didnt like her, David was nasty in return, so she got a bit wound up...then all marcus did was tell him to 'say what you mean'...he said its best to get it all out in the open, which is true.

Wow, Ive spent the day worrying that freddie had turned into a bully, after how he was treated, and then i see it, and he was in the fecking right. Just shows how hysterical this forum gets over the slightest little thing.

And I loved how he just laughed at lisa when she started with that big gob of hers :laugh:

[freddie2win]

ive been a huge freddie fan from the start but after seeing that, he is in danger it was pathetic seeing him laugh while lisa was berating him. David is 100% right in sussing bea's gameplan out and after hating lisa initially, she was spot on today. Freddie needs to see the light about bea otherwise he is on his way

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by freddie2win
ive been a huge freddie fan from the start but after seeing that, he is in danger it was pathetic seeing him laugh while lisa was berating him. David is 100% right in sussing bea's gameplan out and after hating lisa initially, she was spot on today. Freddie needs to see the light about bea otherwise he is on his way

I thought it was good seeing him laugh in her face...she deserves it, she is a joke :laugh:

[setanta]

Don't agree with you here Vicky. Think Freddie acted like a right prat there and did himself no favours. Lisa was entirely justified in fighting back for her friend who has obviously become the other groups primary target through - from what I can tell- no fault of his own. They've all looked like morons this week.

[Rob!]

It makes a change for Halfwit not to be over analysing things. But, I do sense his popularity is wavering. The game is on again!

[freddie2win]

spot on guys never in a million years did i think i would sing lisa's praises over freddie but i am!!!

[JustKaz]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by freddie2win
ive been a huge freddie fan from the start but after seeing that, he is in danger it was pathetic seeing him laugh while lisa was berating him. David is 100% right in sussing bea's gameplan out and after hating lisa initially, she was spot on today. Freddie needs to see the light about bea otherwise he is on his way

I thought it was good seeing him laugh in her face...she deserves it, she is a joke :laugh:

He could have been laughing, as he knew she was right, called being caught off guard.

[clairem43]

I just wacthed it there and it looks like Freddie has lost it and is riling them by laughing in there faces it isn't nice, He is sticking up for Bea when Bea was in the wrong in the first place and David is right to stear clear and freddie should take a leaf out of that book as Bea will be his downfall and I can see him loosing the show because of her!

[HarryRag]

Originally posted by freddie2win
ive been a huge freddie fan from the start but after seeing that, he is in danger it was pathetic seeing him laugh while lisa was berating him. David is 100% right in sussing bea's gameplan out and after hating lisa initially, she was spot on today. Freddie needs to see the light about bea otherwise he is on his way
Originally posted by freddie2win
spot on guys never in a million years did i think i would sing lisa's praises over freddie but i am!!!

hmmmmm..........yeah right......3 posts, registered today. Name is freddie2win....

freddie2win
Chill your boots!

Posts: 3
Registered: 7-7-2009

Dennis is back?

[mrsme]

its funny as..........! lisa's butt is going like a rabbit's nose. she know's she is in danger, and i agree with freddie. the truth will out. the public will decide. what is she so scared of? why is she so scared of being up?
she knows her fate!

[HarryRag]

Originally posted by mrsme
its funny as..........! lisa's butt is going like a rabbit's nose. she know's she is in danger, and i agree with freddie. the truth will out. the public will decide. what is she so scared of? why is she so scared of being up?
she knows her fate!

:cheer2:

[Vicky.]

Read the transcript people, took me about half an hour, if I could understand lisa at the end, it would have took a lot less time, but i genuinly can hardly understand when she speaks.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=134537

[golden]

Originally posted by setanta
Don't agree with you here Vicky. Think Freddie acted like a right prat there and did himself no favours. Lisa was entirely justified in fighting back for her friend who has obviously become the other groups primary target through - from what I can tell- no fault of his own. They've all looked like morons this week.

:hello::hello:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by clairem43
I just wacthed it there and it looks like Freddie has lost it and is riling them by laughing in there faces it isn't nice, He is sticking up for Bea when Bea was in the wrong in the first place and David is right to stear clear and freddie should take a leaf out of that book as Bea will be his downfall and I can see him loosing the show because of her!

Oh I agree bea has been going at him for not much reason, what I dont get though is everyone saying freddie was in the wrong yet saying its ok for lisa to stick up for her friend, which was what freddie was doing for bea and marcus.

[Twilight]

:hello: Agreed

[HarryRag]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Read the transcript people, took me about half an hour, if I could understand lisa at the end, it would have took a lot less time, but i genuinly can hardly understand when she speaks.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=134537

:hello::hello:

[clairem43]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by clairem43
I just wacthed it there and it looks like Freddie has lost it and is riling them by laughing in there faces it isn't nice, He is sticking up for Bea when Bea was in the wrong in the first place and David is right to stear clear and freddie should take a leaf out of that book as Bea will be his downfall and I can see him loosing the show because of her!

Oh I agree bea has been going at him for not much reason, what I dont get though is everyone saying freddie was in the wrong yet saying its ok for lisa to stick up for her friend, which was what freddie was doing for bea and marcus.

But freddie brought Lisa into it by saying "you watched the show you know what she is like" I think Bea is trying to turn them all agaisnt lisa to out her like she did with Noirin but because david is lisa's friend she aint having any of it! It did make Freddie look bad imo and I can see it getting worse for Freddie if he keeps protecting Bea and she is 100% leading him on and using it to her advantage she is worse than Noirin in my eyes just wish she went :mad:


Sorry needed a venting wish I was BB

[Vicky.]

Also I dont understand why marcus is getting stick...all he said was to get everything in the open...surely this is the best way...

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by clairem43
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by clairem43
I just wacthed it there and it looks like Freddie has lost it and is riling them by laughing in there faces it isn't nice, He is sticking up for Bea when Bea was in the wrong in the first place and David is right to stear clear and freddie should take a leaf out of that book as Bea will be his downfall and I can see him loosing the show because of her!

Oh I agree bea has been going at him for not much reason, what I dont get though is everyone saying freddie was in the wrong yet saying its ok for lisa to stick up for her friend, which was what freddie was doing for bea and marcus.

But freddie brought Lisa into it by saying "you watched the show you know what she is like" I think Bea is trying to turn them all agaisnt lisa to out her like she did with Noirin but because david is lisa's friend she aint having any of it! It did make Freddie look bad imo and I can see it getting worse for Freddie if he keeps protecting Bea and she is 100% leading him on and using it to her advantage she is worse than Noirin in my eyes just wish she went :mad:


Sorry needed a venting wish I was BB

I know freddie brought lisa into it. I think that this was because it has been building up for, what 5 weeks, his having a go at lisa...hes obviously well pissed off that david can watch how she treat him,and then be friends with her.

[Hedgie]

Originally posted by VickyJ


Oh I agree bea has been going at him for not much reason, what I dont get though is everyone saying freddie was in the wrong yet saying its ok for lisa to stick up for her friend, which was what freddie was doing for bea and marcus.
:thumbs: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

[rodrillie]

Originally posted by setanta
Don't agree with you here Vicky. Think Freddie acted like a right prat there and did himself no favours. Lisa was entirely justified in fighting back for her friend who has obviously become the other groups primary target through - from what I can tell- no fault of his own. They've all looked like morons this week.

:thumbs:

[ConnieLingus]

After the cr ap Freddy took from Lisa and her lumps of wood, over the weeks when he was being nominated every week, he deserved to be able to laugh in her face.

[clairem43]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by clairem43
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by clairem43
I just wacthed it there and it looks like Freddie has lost it and is riling them by laughing in there faces it isn't nice, He is sticking up for Bea when Bea was in the wrong in the first place and David is right to stear clear and freddie should take a leaf out of that book as Bea will be his downfall and I can see him loosing the show because of her!

Oh I agree bea has been going at him for not much reason, what I dont get though is everyone saying freddie was in the wrong yet saying its ok for lisa to stick up for her friend, which was what freddie was doing for bea and marcus.

But freddie brought Lisa into it by saying "you watched the show you know what she is like" I think Bea is trying to turn them all agaisnt lisa to out her like she did with Noirin but because david is lisa's friend she aint having any of it! It did make Freddie look bad imo and I can see it getting worse for Freddie if he keeps protecting Bea and she is 100% leading him on and using it to her advantage she is worse than Noirin in my eyes just wish she went :mad:


Sorry needed a venting wish I was BB

I know freddie brought lisa into it. I think that this was because it has been building up for, what 5 weeks, his having a go at lisa...hes obviously well p****d off that david can watch how she treat him,and then be friends with her.

I just dont know how freddie cant see trough Bea's gameplan I can see a bigger game plan oozing from Bea than David thats for sure, I hate the way Freddie is been sucked in by Bea! and how she slags him off behind his back when all she is actually doing is getting the strongest contender on her side to fight battles she formed! I am no Lisa fan thats for sure but Bea imo is worse :mad: and for freddie to be in a gang with someone like that makes him worse cause he didn't like been bullied by Lisa, yet Bea is bullying Dave! I honestly felt Marcus got involved there to try make David spill everything infront of them all to take his wooden spoon out I think he is that bored he wanted to!


Sorry another essay

[golden]

Originally posted by ConnieLingus
After the cr ap Freddy took from Lisa and her lumps of wood, over the weeks when he was being nominated every week, he deserved to be able to laugh in her face.

Lol that sounds like he was ill & unable to fight back till now!

[BBLB]

Originally posted by freddie2win
spot on guys never in a million years did i think i would sing lisa's praises over freddie but i am!!!

I admire your honesty on this.

Im having a problem suporting Siavash who was my favourite after his behaviour this week.

I know everyone blames bea but the common factor I see thats playing them all is Marcus.
When HW talks to marcus it always ends up in a bit of a bitchin session lately.
Marcus encourages Siavash to break rules and its been siavashs undoing.
Marcus is also giving Bea little bits of info for her to go to work on david and lisa like the food bandit story.
Even tonight did you hear marcus looking forward to seeing a hm lose it and hoping they would go balistic.

Marcus is the source of everything bad in the house.

Without Marcus Bea would be but a wimper,without marcus hms can get back to the way they were when we liked them..the guy has total control in that house.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by ConnieLingus
After the cr ap Freddy took from Lisa and her lumps of wood, over the weeks when he was being nominated every week, he deserved to be able to laugh in her face.

Lol that sounds like he was ill & unable to fight back till now!

Or maybe he can see her gathering followers again and is trying to stop it...

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by clairem43
I just wacthed it there and it looks like Freddie has lost it and is riling them by laughing in there faces it isn't nice, He is sticking up for Bea when Bea was in the wrong in the first place and David is right to stear clear and freddie should take a leaf out of that book as Bea will be his downfall and I can see him loosing the show because of her!

I would probably have laughed in Lisa's face as well tbh.

She came charging into the kitchen like a bulldog, shouting and swearing in his face.

Telling him to 'go and have a wank' I mean, how immature can you get? All you can do is laugh at pathetic behaviour like that.

[golden]

Originally posted by BBLB
Originally posted by freddie2win
spot on guys never in a million years did i think i would sing lisa's praises over freddie but i am!!!

I admire your honesty on this.

Im having a problem suporting Siavash who was my favourite after his behaviour this week.

I know everyone blames bea but the common factor I see thats playing them all is Marcus.
When HW talks to marcus it always ends up in a bit of a bitchin session lately.
Marcus encourages Siavash to break rules and its been siavashs undoing.
Marcus is also giving Bea little bits of info for her to go to work on david and lisa like the food bandit story.
Even tonight did you hear marcus looking forward to seeing a hm lose it and hoping they would go balistic.

Marcus is the source of everything bad in the house.

Without Marcus Bea would be but a wimper,without marcus hms can get back to the way they were when we liked them..the guy has total control in that house.

Well said:hello:

Proof is how disgusted he was when David 'dared' to go to the DR instead of him...Marcus said 'he's getting a bit above his stations'
He's sitting there now saying he' not gonna be evicted:rolleyes:

[clairem43]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by clairem43
I just wacthed it there and it looks like Freddie has lost it and is riling them by laughing in there faces it isn't nice, He is sticking up for Bea when Bea was in the wrong in the first place and David is right to stear clear and freddie should take a leaf out of that book as Bea will be his downfall and I can see him loosing the show because of her!

I would probably have laughed in Lisa's face as well tbh.

She came charging into the kitchen like a bulldog, shouting and swearing in his face.

Telling him to 'go and have a wank' I mean, how immature can you get? All you can do is laugh at pathetic behaviour like that.

Yeah that was, I dont like lisa never will! But I really dislike Bea for leading freddie on and he never said a bad word about David before Bea accused him of robbing stuff and she claimed he was shouting at her ect when really Bea started it so Freddie now dislikes Dave because of her! Im ranting at the moment :mad:

[golden]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by ConnieLingus
After the cr ap Freddy took from Lisa and her lumps of wood, over the weeks when he was being nominated every week, he deserved to be able to laugh in her face.

Lol that sounds like he was ill & unable to fight back till now!

Or maybe he can see her gathering followers again and is trying to stop it...

Gathering followers lol...hms are going to Lisa she's not dragging them to her. They sit with her at their own free will which really should be telling us something!

[setanta]

Nah, I have to defend Lisa here cuz all she was doing was defending her friend who was being criticised openly about the friendships he's made in the house. How dare they have a go at him over that.... who are they to judge him so harshly?

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by setanta
Nah, I have to defend Lisa here cuz all she was doing was defending her friend who was being criticised openly about the friendships he's made in the house. How dare they have a go at him over that.... who are they to judge him so harshly?

:thumbs:

[Hedgie]

Food is a rare commodity in the house. It's wrong to steal. I'd go apeshit if someone was thieving my scran.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by setanta
Nah, I have to defend Lisa here cuz all she was doing was defending her friend who was being criticised openly about the friendships he's made in the house. How dare they have a go at him over that.... who are they to judge him so harshly?

:thumbs:

To all the people agreeing with this comment.

Do you think freddie was in the wrong, since all HE was doing was sticking up for HIS friend?

Or does this privilege only belong to lisa?

[golden]

Originally posted by Hedgie
Food is a rare commodity in the house. It's wrong to steal. I'd go apeshit if someone was thieving my scran.

Would you go apeshit also if you were accused of thieving someones scran?

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by setanta
Nah, I have to defend Lisa here cuz all she was doing was defending her friend who was being criticised openly about the friendships he's made in the house. How dare they have a go at him over that.... who are they to judge him so harshly?

:thumbs:

To all the people agreeing with this comment.

Do you think freddie was in the wrong, since all HE was doing was sticking up for HIS friend?

Or does this privilege only belong to lisa?

Vicky, he made a spectacle of David in front of all his mates. That's not on. He was having a dig at him.... it was pathetic.

[AhmedFan2004]

Bea is pathetic and a very sly, manipulative, cunning woman in terms of playing all the men and turning them into delusional, desperate fools who guard her and run around her day in, day out.

Freddie has become so engrossed by Bea + her talks, and absored in his fantasy world of hooking up with her, that he's now acting in ridiculous ways just to appease Bea and gain her 'acceptance'.

Bea is terrible and Freddie is so disillusioned, it's criminal. :nono:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta


Vicky, he made a spectacle of David in front of all his mates. That's not on.

Again, I make the point of we dont know how this started...

We know BBs version of events leading up to it, but not what actually happened.

How do we know david didnt start it?

He didnt make a spectacle of him anyway, he made a few, valid points, then Bea jumped in...I hate that girl but she was being nice to david, and he wasnt being nice back. Lisa came in and david couldnt WAIT to turn it back on freddie, even though he was in the middle of a conversation with bea at the time.

As he has watched the show before, and knows lisa will shout at freddie on his behalf. I believe.

[Hedgie]

Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by Hedgie
Food is a rare commodity in the house. It's wrong to steal. I'd go apeshit if someone was thieving my scran.

Would you go apeshit also if you were accused of thieving someones scran?
Nope. I'd wait till midnight, cook it all and eat every last bit. Marcus and Freddie aren't liars. I believe David took the food.:shrug:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by setanta
Nah, I have to defend Lisa here cuz all she was doing was defending her friend who was being criticised openly about the friendships he's made in the house. How dare they have a go at him over that.... who are they to judge him so harshly?
Lisa is more of a woman and an unprejudiced person than Bea will ever be.

Bea REALLY doesn't care about people, like not on any level. Marcus and Halfwit are just her zombies who will do what she wants and do anything to appease her. She's Noirin; mega advanced stylee.

[Hedgie]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by setanta
Nah, I have to defend Lisa here cuz all she was doing was defending her friend who was being criticised openly about the friendships he's made in the house. How dare they have a go at him over that.... who are they to judge him so harshly?
Lisa is more of a woman and an unprejudiced person than Bea will ever be.

Bea REALLY doesn't care about people, like not on any level. Marcus and Halfwit are just her zombies who will do what she wants and do anything to appease her. She's Noirin; mega advanced stylee.
There needs to be a Bea2000 terminator style piccy in the bb art thread :laugh2:

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by setanta
Nah, I have to defend Lisa here cuz all she was doing was defending her friend who was being criticised openly about the friendships he's made in the house. How dare they have a go at him over that.... who are they to judge him so harshly?

:thumbs:

To all the people agreeing with this comment.

Do you think freddie was in the wrong, since all HE was doing was sticking up for HIS friend?

Or does this privilege only belong to lisa?

the difference is lisa was sticking up for david when he was ganged up on.

freddie wasn't sticking up for anyone in this argument. he was attacking david for his choice in friends, saying he must have a game plan for liking lisa. he wasn't defending bea

he also took great satisfaction in belittling david infront of everyone and loved having his 'backup' puting their penny's worth in

[golden]

Originally posted by Hedgie
Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by Hedgie
Food is a rare commodity in the house. It's wrong to steal. I'd go apeshit if someone was thieving my scran.

Would you go apeshit also if you were accused of thieving someones scran?
Nope. I'd wait till midnight, cook it all and eat every last bit. Marcus and Freddie aren't liars. I believe David took the food.:shrug:

Marcus isn't a liar?
:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

lol ok then tell me where he groped Noirin? & show me the footage where Noirin said Marcus was leaving cos he has no storyline....theres many more!

& your right Freds not a liar but he wasn't there...lol..he knows nothing only what they tell him!!!!!!!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Hedgie
Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by Hedgie
Food is a rare commodity in the house. It's wrong to steal. I'd go apeshit if someone was thieving my scran.

Would you go apeshit also if you were accused of thieving someones scran?
Nope. I'd wait till midnight, cook it all and eat every last bit. Marcus and Freddie aren't liars. I believe David took the food.:shrug:

Yup, me too.

And if I hadnt done it, then I would do exactly what you said, to piss them off, or throw it all in the pool, or hide it, shabaz style (was it shabaz?)

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by golden

Marcus isn't a liar?
:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

lol ok then tell me where he groped Noirin? & show me the footage where Noirin said Marcus was leaving cos he has no storyline....theres many more!


Without live feed, how do you think we can do this?

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta


Vicky, he made a spectacle of David in front of all his mates. That's not on.

Again, I make the point of we dont know how this started...

We know BBs version of events leading up to it, but not what actually happened.

How do we know david didnt start it?

He didnt make a spectacle of him anyway, he made a few, valid points, then Bea jumped in...I hate that girl but she was being nice to david, and he wasnt being nice back. Lisa came in and david couldnt WAIT to turn it back on freddie, even though he was in the middle of a conversation with bea at the time.

As he has watched the show before, and knows lisa will shout at freddie on his behalf. I believe.

Valid points? By questioning the motivation that's behind him wanting to be friends with certain housemates- questioning him over the associations he's made and if they're purely tactical. He has absolutely no right to be judging him like this and in front of everyone else. It was a terrible thing to do.

[golden]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by setanta
Nah, I have to defend Lisa here cuz all she was doing was defending her friend who was being criticised openly about the friendships he's made in the house. How dare they have a go at him over that.... who are they to judge him so harshly?

:thumbs:

To all the people agreeing with this comment.

Do you think freddie was in the wrong, since all HE was doing was sticking up for HIS friend?

Or does this privilege only belong to lisa?

the difference is lisa was sticking up for david when he was ganged up on.

freddie wasn't sticking up for anyone in this argument. he was attacking david for his choice in friends, saying he must have a game plan for liking lisa. he wasn't defending bea

he also took great satisfaction in belittling david infront of everyone and loved having his 'backup' puting their penny's worth in

:hello::hello:
Common Sense in the forum!

[Hedgie]

Originally posted by golden

lol ok then tell me where he groped Noirin? & show me the footage where Noirin said Marcus was leaving cos he has no storyline....theres many more!

& your right Freds not a liar but he wasn't there...lol..he knows nothing only what they tell him!!!!!!!

We don't have live feed. It's a moot point really.

Freddie said he saw him take the food didn't he? :conf:

[clairem43]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by setanta
Nah, I have to defend Lisa here cuz all she was doing was defending her friend who was being criticised openly about the friendships he's made in the house. How dare they have a go at him over that.... who are they to judge him so harshly?

:thumbs:

To all the people agreeing with this comment.

Do you think freddie was in the wrong, since all HE was doing was sticking up for HIS friend?

Or does this privilege only belong to lisa?

the difference is lisa was sticking up for david when he was ganged up on.

freddie wasn't sticking up for anyone in this argument. he was attacking david for his choice in friends, saying he must have a game plan for liking lisa. he wasn't defending bea

he also took great satisfaction in belittling david infront of everyone and loved having his 'backup' puting their penny's worth in

Agree to that! If someone had a problem with someone pull them to the side and say it to them rather than infront of a group thats egging him on and For bea been nice to david? Thats her plan she acts like that infront of everyone but really she is a lowlife! putting down people because of there class and inteligence is disgusting! Lisa did defend David and took him out of the situation where he was most deffiantly been ganged up on No matter how BB edit that its obvious he was been pulled into a corner by freddie infront of people freddie knew would back him!


Agree Lisa was a bit childish saying "go for a wank" but she was right that freddie is thinking and talking with his dick rather than his mind! And that shows Bea's gameplan is working


:mad:

[AhmedFan2004]

Freddie still hasn't realised he's been played like a delusional fool, so he's just entrenched into her ways and will do anything to appease her.

He thinks he's being unbiased and objective, but he's really just acting like a weirdo; stalking a horrible girl, and acting stupidly to 'defend her'.

One day he'll realise he's been played, just like Siavash realised he got played.

And that he won't have sex with Bea ... ever.

[golden]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden

Marcus isn't a liar?
:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

lol ok then tell me where he groped Noirin? & show me the footage where Noirin said Marcus was leaving cos he has no storyline....theres many more!


Without live feed, how do you think we can do this?

Without live feed of David stealing, how can you accuse him? Goes both ways Vicky.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta


Valid points? By questioning the motivation that's behind him wanting to be friends with certain housemates- questioning him over the associations he's made and if they're purely tactical. He has absolutely no right to be judging him like this and in front of everyone else. It was a terrible thing to do.

Im sure freddie feels they are valid points, especially about david being friends with lisa, after he saw how she behaved in the start.

He sees lisa and david as singling bea out, like lisas gang did with him in the past. He will see it like this as he doesnt see beas stirring of things. So he felt the need to say something. As he doesnt want his friend going through what he went through.


[Edit] I believe this answers kisywisys post also. Saying freddie was having a go, not sticking up for his friend.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Hedgie
There needs to be a Bea2000 terminator style piccy in the bb art thread :laugh2:
There does, with some reference images to Freddie and Marcus ... would be spot on. :thumbs:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden

Marcus isn't a liar?
:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

lol ok then tell me where he groped Noirin? & show me the footage where Noirin said Marcus was leaving cos he has no storyline....theres many more!


Without live feed, how do you think we can do this?

Without live feed of David stealing, how can you accuse him? Goes both ways Vicky.

Im not the one accusing him of stealing. Im saying I believe marcus and freddie. They accused him, not me, and they are there all the time. I chose to believe them over david.

[PECH06]

Originally posted by VickyJ
My internet has been playing up, and I couldnt watch it til now.

Jesus, by the reactions of some on here you would think he had picked up a knife and held it to davids throat.

He wasnt bullying him at all, to me it looked a lot like he was perplexed at how david could befriend lisa after watching the show and knowing what she was like...and fair point to him.

Obviously he wont see why anyone from the outside could possibly like her. And to those who were saying marcus and bea also ganged up on him, i think your vision is clouded by hate. All Bea did was say she didnt udnerstand why he didnt like her, David was nasty in return, so she got a bit wound up...then all marcus did was tell him to 'say what you mean'...he said its best to get it all out in the open, which is true.

Wow, Ive spent the day worrying that freddie had turned into a bully, after how he was treated, and then i see it, and he was in the fecking right. Just shows how hysterical this forum gets over the slightest little thing.

And I loved how he just laughed at lisa when she started with that big gob of hers :laugh:

I totaly agree with you on every point...

Did you also notice how Lisa walked in through one door and did her "Blah, Blah, Blah", then walked out the other door before anyone REALLY had a chance to say anything to her!

Gone in 20 seconds!

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by Hedgie
Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by Hedgie
Food is a rare commodity in the house. It's wrong to steal. I'd go apeshit if someone was thieving my scran.

Would you go apeshit also if you were accused of thieving someones scran?
Nope. I'd wait till midnight, cook it all and eat every last bit. Marcus and Freddie aren't liars. I believe David took the food.:shrug:

when freddie spoke to marcus by the pool a few days ago about the missing food, his words were, "i've got a feeling, nothing more that a feeling that david is stealing the food" they have got no proof and the whole thing started because of freddie's 'feeling'

marcus and freddie then told bea what they thought and she didn't know what they were talking about. then she started making digs at david about the food. she was going on what marcus and freddie told her. those three have talked their suspicions to into fact

[jean51]

i prefer lisa to them three i have watched that video and freddie bea and marcus was bang out of order. freddie is going down becus of marcus and bea!! oh and bea was snuggling up to freddie on live feed tonight hoping the public would see a growing romance and keep her in she is worst than noirin.

[golden]

Originally posted by Hedgie
Originally posted by golden

lol ok then tell me where he groped Noirin? & show me the footage where Noirin said Marcus was leaving cos he has no storyline....theres many more!

& your right Freds not a liar but he wasn't there...lol..he knows nothing only what they tell him!!!!!!!

We don't have live feed. It's a moot point really.

Freddie said he saw him take the food didn't he? :conf:

Fred did not see him...Marcus told him.

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta


Valid points? By questioning the motivation that's behind him wanting to be friends with certain housemates- questioning him over the associations he's made and if they're purely tactical. He has absolutely no right to be judging him like this and in front of everyone else. It was a terrible thing to do.

Im sure freddie feels they are valid points, especially about david being friends with lisa, after he saw how she behaved in the start.

He sees lisa and david as singling bea out, like lisas gang did with him in the past. He will see it like this as he doesnt see beas stirring of things. So he felt the need to say something. As he doesnt want his friend going through what he went through.

Feeling you have valids points and deciding to act upon them with little or no evidence, in front of a big audience like that, demonstrates to me that Freddie has gotten a little too big for his boots. He had no right to question somebody over the friendships they've made in the house. Shows to me that Freddie is the guy with the mind firmly fixed on the game.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta


Feeling you have valids points and deciding to act upon them with little or no evidence, in front of a big audience like that, demonstrates to me that Freddie has gotten a little too big for his boots. He had no right to question somebody over the friendships they've made in the house. Shows to me that Freddie is the guy with the mind firmly fixed on the game.


Im sorry, if I was in the same situation, (which is quite hard to imagine as I would never of allowed lisa to bully me in the first place, I would have planted her) I would have done the same thing.

Maybe not in front of a group, but what he said.

And of course he has his mind on the game, they all do.


In real life, if I someone bullied me, and then moved onto my friend (but I didnt know it was my friends fault) i would also say something, which is the same thing really.

[Hedgie]

Originally posted by kisywisy

marcus and freddie then told bea what they thought and she didn't know what they were talking about. then she started making digs at david about the food. she was going on what marcus and freddie told her. those three have talked their suspicions to into fact
Then i agree that it was norty of Bea, Freddie and Marcus to go off on David with no actual proof. :thumbs:

But i still love Marcus and want him to win :bigsmile:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Hedgie
Originally posted by kisywisy

marcus and freddie then told bea what they thought and she didn't know what they were talking about. then she started making digs at david about the food. she was going on what marcus and freddie told her. those three have talked their suspicions to into fact
Then i agree that it was norty of Bea, Freddie and Marcus to go off on David with no actual proof. :thumbs:

But i still love Marcus and want him to win :bigsmile:

Yeah, freddie did not say anything about the food though. His point was totally different. Bea brought up the food again.

[clairem43]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta


Feeling you have valids points and deciding to act upon them with little or no evidence, in front of a big audience like that, demonstrates to me that Freddie has gotten a little too big for his boots. He had no right to question somebody over the friendships they've made in the house. Shows to me that Freddie is the guy with the mind firmly fixed on the game.


Im sorry, if I was in the same situation, (which is quite hard to imagine as I would never of allowed lisa to bully me in the first place, I would have planted her) I would have done the same thing.

Maybe not in front of a group, but what he said.

And of course he has his mind on the game, they all do.


In real life, if I someone bullied me, and then moved onto my friend (but I didnt know it was my friends fault) i would also say something, which is the same thing really.

But thats the thing Bea is doing the exact same thing Lisa did and for Freddie to play along with that makes him the bigger fool out of it cause he should understand what it is like to be in the situation and should try resolve it rather than provoke it along and create a bigger situation out of it! A person who has been Bullied should know not to take another Bullys side and to take a bullys side it makes them a lesser person!

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta


Feeling you have valids points and deciding to act upon them with little or no evidence, in front of a big audience like that, demonstrates to me that Freddie has gotten a little too big for his boots. He had no right to question somebody over the friendships they've made in the house. Shows to me that Freddie is the guy with the mind firmly fixed on the game.


Im sorry, if I was in the same situation, which is quite hard to imagine as I would never of allowed lisa to bully me in the first place, I would have planted her, I would have done the same thing.

Maybe not in front of a group, but what he said.

And of course he has his mind on the game, they all do.

It's insane to suggest that David went to Lisa as part of some mad strategy to win the show. I mean, that's a bit of a stretch considering Davids mental capacity and I'm struggling to see how anyone could fashion a victory out of an alliance with Lisa.

He can't see the wood for the trees now that Bea is the apple of his eye. She's manipulating that lot completely. What has David done to merit this kind of attack? She's the one planting all the seeds of doubt in peoples minds.

[golden]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden

Marcus isn't a liar?
:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

lol ok then tell me where he groped Noirin? & show me the footage where Noirin said Marcus was leaving cos he has no storyline....theres many more!


Without live feed, how do you think we can do this?

Without live feed of David stealing, how can you accuse him? Goes both ways Vicky.

Im not the one accusing him of stealing. Im saying I believe marcus and freddie. They accused him, not me, and they are there all the time. I chose to believe them over david.

:joker::joker::joker::joker:
Er ok so you agree with the people that accused him of stealing food meaning you believe he stole the food...without seeing it live you believe it...
so you agree with my post:puzzled:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by clairem43
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta


Feeling you have valids points and deciding to act upon them with little or no evidence, in front of a big audience like that, demonstrates to me that Freddie has gotten a little too big for his boots. He had no right to question somebody over the friendships they've made in the house. Shows to me that Freddie is the guy with the mind firmly fixed on the game.


Im sorry, if I was in the same situation, (which is quite hard to imagine as I would never of allowed lisa to bully me in the first place, I would have planted her) I would have done the same thing.

Maybe not in front of a group, but what he said.

And of course he has his mind on the game, they all do.


In real life, if I someone bullied me, and then moved onto my friend (but I didnt know it was my friends fault) i would also say something, which is the same thing really.

But thats the thing Bea is doing the exact same thing Lisa did and for Freddie to play along with that makes him the bigger fool out of it cause he should understand what it is like to be in the situation and should try resolve it rather than provoke it along and create a bigger situation out of it! A person who has been Bullied should know not to take another Bullys side and to take a bullys side it makes them a lesser person!

He does not see Bea as a bully though. He does see her as being picked on by david, from her ridiculous display of being upset yesterday...

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by golden

:joker::joker::joker::joker:
Er ok so you agree with the people that accused him of stealing food meaning you believe he stole the food...without seeing it live you believe it...
so you agree with my post:puzzled:

No. Stop trying to twist my words. I did not see him steal it. But they are there. They are more likely to know than us. :rolleyes:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by setanta
He can't see the wood for the trees now that Bea is the apple of his eye. She's manipulating that lot completely. What has David done to merit this kind of attack? She's the one planting all the seeds of doubt in peoples minds.
He can make friends with whomever he wishes, just like Bea is creating an army of delusional lapdogs who will run around her and agree with her, just to gain appeasement from her. How pathetic.

He obviously likes Lisa and they have a lot in common, especially smoking. Infact it shows HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT WINNING, to risk making friends with an unpopular HM (from the outside view).

Freddie is turning pathetic and nasty because he's so engrossed in just playing out this fantasy scenario of him protecting his princess. He's become very biased, deluded and brainwashed.

He has blind spots towards Bea's manipulative ways and scheming actions. He fails to see her awful intentions, yet it's right infront of him! :shrug:

[Hedgie]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by Hedgie
Originally posted by kisywisy

marcus and freddie then told bea what they thought and she didn't know what they were talking about. then she started making digs at david about the food. she was going on what marcus and freddie told her. those three have talked their suspicions to into fact
Then i agree that it was norty of Bea, Freddie and Marcus to go off on David with no actual proof. :thumbs:

But i still love Marcus and want him to win :bigsmile:

Yeah, freddie did not say anything about the food though. His point was totally different. Bea brought up the food again.
The food was the catalyst though? Without that, it was just 2 groups having a barney because they dislike each other. although i can understand why. Lisa bullied freddie and David absolutely dominated Hira in a scary way when she had the task.
I'll watch the vid tmorra and rejoin the dogfight. Right now it's my bedtime! Gnite y'all :xyxwave: :spin2:

[clairem43]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by clairem43
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta


Feeling you have valids points and deciding to act upon them with little or no evidence, in front of a big audience like that, demonstrates to me that Freddie has gotten a little too big for his boots. He had no right to question somebody over the friendships they've made in the house. Shows to me that Freddie is the guy with the mind firmly fixed on the game.


Im sorry, if I was in the same situation, (which is quite hard to imagine as I would never of allowed lisa to bully me in the first place, I would have planted her) I would have done the same thing.

Maybe not in front of a group, but what he said.

And of course he has his mind on the game, they all do.


In real life, if I someone bullied me, and then moved onto my friend (but I didnt know it was my friends fault) i would also say something, which is the same thing really.

But thats the thing Bea is doing the exact same thing Lisa did and for Freddie to play along with that makes him the bigger fool out of it cause he should understand what it is like to be in the situation and should try resolve it rather than provoke it along and create a bigger situation out of it! A person who has been Bullied should know not to take another Bullys side and to take a bullys side it makes them a lesser person!

He does not see Bea as a bully though. He does see her as being picked on by david, from her ridiculous display of being upset yesterday...

But David was upset too, he wouldn't listen to David and take his opinion of the matter into hand and only decided to take Bea's displays on what happened into consideration and to that then take on someone for been friends with another person cause they bullied him! He doesn't realise him and David are actually in the same situation and is making David out to be in the wrong which infact maybe the both of them are and need to stear clear of both of them! David is blind to what lisa did, Freddie is blind to what Bea has done!

[StevieGeire]

Originally posted by VickyJ
My internet has been playing up, and I couldnt watch it til now.

Jesus, by the reactions of some on here you would think he had picked up a knife and held it to davids throat.

He wasnt bullying him at all, to me it looked a lot like he was perplexed at how david could befriend lisa after watching the show and knowing what she was like...and fair point to him.

Obviously he wont see why anyone from the outside could possibly like her. And to those who were saying marcus and bea also ganged up on him, i think your vision is clouded by hate. All Bea did was say she didnt udnerstand why he didnt like her, David was nasty in return, so she got a bit wound up...then all marcus did was tell him to 'say what you mean'...he said its best to get it all out in the open, which is true.

Wow, Ive spent the day worrying that freddie had turned into a bully, after how he was treated, and then i see it, and he was in the fecking right. Just shows how hysterical this forum gets over the slightest little thing.

And I loved how he just laughed at lisa when she started with that big gob of hers :laugh:

do u have the link.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta


Feeling you have valids points and deciding to act upon them with little or no evidence, in front of a big audience like that, demonstrates to me that Freddie has gotten a little too big for his boots. He had no right to question somebody over the friendships they've made in the house. Shows to me that Freddie is the guy with the mind firmly fixed on the game.


Im sorry, if I was in the same situation, which is quite hard to imagine as I would never of allowed lisa to bully me in the first place, I would have planted her, I would have done the same thing.

Maybe not in front of a group, but what he said.

And of course he has his mind on the game, they all do.

It's insane to suggest that David went to Lisa as part of some mad strategy to win the show. I mean, that's a bit of a stretch considering Davids mental capacity and I'm struggling to see how anyone could fashion a victory out of an alliance with Lisa.

He can't see the wood for the trees now that Bea is the apple of his eye. She's manipulating that lot completely. What has David done to merit this kind of attack? She's the one planting all the seeds of doubt in peoples minds.

I know its through Bea indirectly. As shes making out shes being bullied. This is why freddie stuck up for her. He thinks shes being picked on, and believes lisa is behind it pulling davids strings. Which is half true, lisa does keep winding things up.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by StevieGeire


do u have the link.

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/eb73535dab79283078db6423963bc069/play.c4


And Ive transcripted the conversation aswell, the link for that is on the front page, it is as much word for word as i could get it :kiss:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by clairem43

But David was upset too, he wouldn't listen to David and take his opinion of the matter into hand and only decided to take Bea's displays on what happened into consideration and to that then take on someone for been friends with another person cause they bullied him! He doesn't realise him and David are actually in the same situation and is making David out to be in the wrong which infact maybe the both of them are and need to stear clear of both of them! David is blind to what lisa did, Freddie is blind to what Bea has done!

Yeah, the difference being though, of course, that david is not blind to what lisa did, as he watched it :wink:

Freddie is letting his heart rule his head IMO...and it will end bad, but i still dont see how people are blaming freddie for it, I really dont.

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta


Feeling you have valids points and deciding to act upon them with little or no evidence, in front of a big audience like that, demonstrates to me that Freddie has gotten a little too big for his boots. He had no right to question somebody over the friendships they've made in the house. Shows to me that Freddie is the guy with the mind firmly fixed on the game.


Im sorry, if I was in the same situation, which is quite hard to imagine as I would never of allowed lisa to bully me in the first place, I would have planted her, I would have done the same thing.

Maybe not in front of a group, but what he said.

And of course he has his mind on the game, they all do.

It's insane to suggest that David went to Lisa as part of some mad strategy to win the show. I mean, that's a bit of a stretch considering Davids mental capacity and I'm struggling to see how anyone could fashion a victory out of an alliance with Lisa.

He can't see the wood for the trees now that Bea is the apple of his eye. She's manipulating that lot completely. What has David done to merit this kind of attack? She's the one planting all the seeds of doubt in peoples minds.

I know its through Bea indirectly. As shes making out shes being bullied. This is why freddie stuck up for her. He thinks shes being picked on, and believes lisa is behind it pulling davids strings. Which is half true, lisa does keep winding things up.

Of course Bea has pushed Freddie in this direction of thinking, but that doesn't excuse his attack on David there in front of everyone. It was a moment of stupidity on his part, and kinda illustrates where his mind is right now. And it's not a good place to be.

[golden]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden

:joker::joker::joker::joker:
Er ok so you agree with the people that accused him of stealing food meaning you believe he stole the food...without seeing it live you believe it...
so you agree with my post:puzzled:

No. Stop trying to twist my words. I did not see him steal it. But they are there. They are more likely to know than us. :rolleyes:

Vicky, did you see the lf when it started? Marcus & Freddie by the pool. Marcus saying he 'thinks' it must've been David. David makes the mistake of mentioning he's hungry a lot & Marcus said he's always eating so he reckons it must have been David.
They then told Bea what they thought & she basically started it all off in the kitchen with her comments!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by golden

Vicky, did you see the lf when it started? Marcus & Freddie by the pool. Marcus saying he 'thinks' it must've been David. David makes the mistake of mentioning he's hungry a lot & Marcus said he's always eating so he reckons it must have been David.
They then told Bea what they thought & she basically started it all off in the kitchen with her comments!

Freddie said he thought it was david, not marcus.

Also though Marcus was saying about the eggs later on from this, working it out and coming to the conclusion that it must be david, from how many he ate, and how many he had, and how many had gone missing.

Bea shouldnt have got involved (Im sick of saying this about different things, whish shed just ****) but Marcus had a point. Yes freddie said he THOUGHT it was david, but after this marcus said that it was. And i believe him :shrug:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta


Of course Bea has pushed Freddie in this direction of thinking, but that doesn't excuse his attack on David there in front of everyone. It was a moment of stupidity on his part, and kinda illustrates where his mind is right now. And it's not a good place to be.

Again though, we dont know what triggered the whole thing, as that video clearly begins in the middle of it.

Maybe he was planning to say something later on, but the conversation had been steered that way, so he said it then. We dont know, unless they show the whole thing tomorrow, which I doubt they will :bored:

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta


Of course Bea has pushed Freddie in this direction of thinking, but that doesn't excuse his attack on David there in front of everyone. It was a moment of stupidity on his part, and kinda illustrates where his mind is right now. And it's not a good place to be.

Again though, we dont know what triggered the whole thing, as that video clearly begins in the middle of it.

Maybe he was planning to say something later on, but the conversation had been steered that way, so he said it then. We dont know, unless they show the whole thing tomorrow, which I doubt they will :bored:

Yes true, but it still came across as unwarranted, tactless and infantile. Really looked like a tit in that clip.

[Twilight]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta


Of course Bea has pushed Freddie in this direction of thinking, but that doesn't excuse his attack on David there in front of everyone. It was a moment of stupidity on his part, and kinda illustrates where his mind is right now. And it's not a good place to be.

Again though, we dont know what triggered the whole thing, as that video clearly begins in the middle of it.

Maybe he was planning to say something later on, but the conversation had been steered that way, so he said it then. We dont know, unless they show the whole thing tomorrow, which I doubt they will :bored: :thumbs:

[AhmedFan2004]

Freddie bullying David is infact ...

Bea bullying David, but Freddie is the one doing her dirty work. :mad:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta

Yes true, but it still came across as unwarranted, tactless and infantile. Really looked like a tit in that clip.

I feel we will have to agree to disagree, as this could go on all night.

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta

Yes true, but it still came across as unwarranted, tactless and infantile. Really looked like a tit in that clip.

I feel we will have to agree to disagree, as this could go on all night.

Yep, think so. He was a tit in that clip though. lol

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Freddie bullying David is infact ...

Bea bullying David, but Freddie is the one doing her dirty work. :mad:

FREDDIE IS NOT BULLYING DAVID.

How on earth is that bullying? Expressing his views...

[HarryRag]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Freddie bullying David is infact ...

Bea bullying David, but Freddie is the one doing her dirty work. :mad:

:sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:

[golden]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden

Vicky, did you see the lf when it started? Marcus & Freddie by the pool. Marcus saying he 'thinks' it must've been David. David makes the mistake of mentioning he's hungry a lot & Marcus said he's always eating so he reckons it must have been David.
They then told Bea what they thought & she basically started it all off in the kitchen with her comments!

Freddie said he thought it was david, not marcus.

Also though Marcus was saying about the eggs later on from this, working it out and coming to the conclusion that it must be david, from how many he ate, and how many he had, and how many had gone missing.

Bea shouldnt have got involved (Im sick of saying this about different things, whish shed just ****) but Marcus had a point. Yes freddie said he THOUGHT it was david, but after this marcus said that it was. And i believe him :shrug:

I didn't say Freddie thought it was Marcus....but what I'm trying o say is that it was all based on Marcus' feeling & what he concluded from that. I'm just annoyed that it was basically Bea stirring up **** again (lol I agree with u on that) about stuff that she did not see happen. People are annoyed with Freddie cos he didn't see it happen either.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden

Vicky, did you see the lf when it started? Marcus & Freddie by the pool. Marcus saying he 'thinks' it must've been David. David makes the mistake of mentioning he's hungry a lot & Marcus said he's always eating so he reckons it must have been David.
They then told Bea what they thought & she basically started it all off in the kitchen with her comments!

Freddie said he thought it was david, not marcus.

Also though Marcus was saying about the eggs later on from this, working it out and coming to the conclusion that it must be david, from how many he ate, and how many he had, and how many had gone missing.

Bea shouldnt have got involved (Im sick of saying this about different things, whish shed just ****) but Marcus had a point. Yes freddie said he THOUGHT it was david, but after this marcus said that it was. And i believe him :shrug:

I didn't say Freddie thought it was Marcus....but what I'm trying o say is that it was all based on Marcus' feeling & what he concluded from that. I'm just annoyed that it was basically Bea stirring up **** again (lol I agree with u on that) about stuff that she did not see happen. People are annoyed with Freddie cos he didn't see it happen either.

I meant freddie said he thought it was david, not freddie thought it was marcus :wink:

And on LF right now, marcus is explaining the whole food situation.

[HarryRag]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

They aren't his views though. That's the crux of it. And they make no logical sense. He's utterly delusional and blinded to Bea's manipulation, martyr act, lies, bad intentions and c*ck teasing.

The dude sits there at the bus stop wearing a suit, waiting for her to come out. OHHH DEAR! :shrug:

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

Srees gone anyway, don't listen this clown

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

FREDDIE IS NOT BULLYING DAVID.

How on earth is that bullying? Expressing his views...
They aren't his views though. That's the crux of it. And they make no logical sense. He's utterly delusional and blinded to Bea's manipulation, martyr act, lies, bad intentions and c*ck teasing.

The dude sits there at the bus stop wearing a suit, waiting for her to come out. OHHH DEAR! :shrug:

They arent his views that david and lisa are bullying bea? That david knew what lisa was like because he had watched it?

He thinks david has a gameplan by siding with lisa and picking off people to be up for eviction...again

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

FREDDIE IS NOT BULLYING DAVID.

How on earth is that bullying? Expressing his views...
They aren't his views though. That's the crux of it. And they make no logical sense.

David makes friends with those he gets on with and has things in common with ... JUST LIKE HALFWIT DOES! But Halfwit's so hypocritical right now. He's utterly delusional and blinded to Bea's manipulation, martyr act, lies, bad intentions and c*ck teasing.

If anything, David befriending Lisa shows loyalty and shows that he doesn't make friends with popular people in order to ride to the final! But Bea does.

Freddie now sits at the bus stop wearing a suit, waiting for Bea to come out in order to get belittled and embarassed by her. OHHH DEAR! :shrug:

[Shasown]

Try this , Bea started the rumour to freddie knowing it would go to marcus, he metnions it to bea, she does the moral indignation garbage.

its not the first time she has played them all like this.

The other thing is 3 of them in the kitchen and David, Freddie is asking David why he made friends with Lisa and talks about her isolating others earlier to pick them off. Isnt that what Freddie is trying to do with those around Lisa so as to isolate Lisa, doesnt that make him no better than her?


And if you were David at the time knowing they sit and talk about you and make up lies about him etc, would you not feel they were picking on you/bullying?

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

FREDDIE IS NOT BULLYING DAVID.

How on earth is that bullying? Expressing his views...
They aren't his views though. That's the crux of it. And they make no logical sense. He's utterly delusional and blinded to Bea's manipulation, martyr act, lies, bad intentions and c*ck teasing.

The dude sits there at the bus stop wearing a suit, waiting for her to come out. OHHH DEAR! :shrug:

They arent his views that david and lisa are bullying bea? That david knew what lisa was like because he had watched it?

He thinks david has a gameplan by siding with lisa and picking off people to be up for eviction...again

But that idea is so full of holes it's ridiculous. He's lost the plot completely.

[setanta]

Originally posted by Shasown
Try this , Bea started the rumour to freddie knowing it would go to marcus, he metnions it to bea, she does the moral indignation garbage.

its not the first time she has played them all like this.

The other thing is 3 of them in the kitchen and David, Freddie is asking David why he made friends with Lisa and talks about her isolating others earlier to pick them off. Isnt that what Freddie is trying to do with those around Lisa so as to isolate Lisa, doesnt that make him no better than her?


And if you were David at the time knowing they sit and talk about you and make up lies about him etc, would you not feel they were picking on you/bullying?

Well said.

[golden]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden

Vicky, did you see the lf when it started? Marcus & Freddie by the pool. Marcus saying he 'thinks' it must've been David. David makes the mistake of mentioning he's hungry a lot & Marcus said he's always eating so he reckons it must have been David.
They then told Bea what they thought & she basically started it all off in the kitchen with her comments!

Freddie said he thought it was david, not marcus.

Also though Marcus was saying about the eggs later on from this, working it out and coming to the conclusion that it must be david, from how many he ate, and how many he had, and how many had gone missing.

Bea shouldnt have got involved (Im sick of saying this about different things, whish shed just ****) but Marcus had a point. Yes freddie said he THOUGHT it was david, but after this marcus said that it was. And i believe him :shrug:

I didn't say Freddie thought it was Marcus....but what I'm trying o say is that it was all based on Marcus' feeling & what he concluded from that. I'm just annoyed that it was basically Bea stirring up **** again (lol I agree with u on that) about stuff that she did not see happen. People are annoyed with Freddie cos he didn't see it happen either.

I meant freddie said he thought it was david, not freddie thought it was marcus :wink:

And on LF right now, marcus is explaining the whole food situation.

Our lf has been on Marcus alone for the past 15 minutes...now showing Siavash sleeping in the living room.

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden

Vicky, did you see the lf when it started? Marcus & Freddie by the pool. Marcus saying he 'thinks' it must've been David. David makes the mistake of mentioning he's hungry a lot & Marcus said he's always eating so he reckons it must have been David.
They then told Bea what they thought & she basically started it all off in the kitchen with her comments!

Freddie said he thought it was david, not marcus.

Also though Marcus was saying about the eggs later on from this, working it out and coming to the conclusion that it must be david, from how many he ate, and how many he had, and how many had gone missing.

Bea shouldnt have got involved (Im sick of saying this about different things, whish shed just ****) but Marcus had a point. Yes freddie said he THOUGHT it was david, but after this marcus said that it was. And i believe him :shrug:

I didn't say Freddie thought it was Marcus....but what I'm trying o say is that it was all based on Marcus' feeling & what he concluded from that. I'm just annoyed that it was basically Bea stirring up **** again (lol I agree with u on that) about stuff that she did not see happen. People are annoyed with Freddie cos he didn't see it happen either.

I meant freddie said he thought it was david, not freddie thought it was marcus :wink:

And on LF right now, marcus is explaining the whole food situation.

Our lf has been on Marcus alone for the past 15 minutes...now showing Siavash sleeping in the living room.

i'm watching +1 and marcus was talking to sophie about the food thing. it did miss out part of the conversation though coz it started showing charlie and rodrigo in bed. was annoyed coz it switched when he was explaining why he thought bea might end up going this week for the way she handles things:mad:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Shasown
Try this , Bea started the rumour to freddie knowing it would go to marcus, he metnions it to bea, she does the moral indignation garbage.

its not the first time she has played them all like this.

The other thing is 3 of them in the kitchen and David, Freddie is asking David why he made friends with Lisa and talks about her isolating others earlier to pick them off. Isnt that what Freddie is trying to do with those around Lisa so as to isolate Lisa, doesnt that make him no better than her?


And if you were David at the time knowing they sit and talk about you and make up lies about him etc, would you not feel they were picking on you/bullying?

Bea started it all, indirectly, yea, Ive already said that.

I dont blame freddie one bit for attempting to isolate lisa, if this is indeed what he trying to do. She deserves everything she gets in my opinion. However I feel he just doesnt want her starting all her b*llocks up again, just because she has people behind her.

What lies have been made up about David? They sit and talk about everyone all the time, theres nothing else to do.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown
Try this , Bea started the rumour to freddie knowing it would go to marcus, he metnions it to bea, she does the moral indignation garbage.

its not the first time she has played them all like this.

The other thing is 3 of them in the kitchen and David, Freddie is asking David why he made friends with Lisa and talks about her isolating others earlier to pick them off. Isnt that what Freddie is trying to do with those around Lisa so as to isolate Lisa, doesnt that make him no better than her?


And if you were David at the time knowing they sit and talk about you and make up lies about him etc, would you not feel they were picking on you/bullying?
Exactly, he's so disillusioned and entrenched in appeasing Bea and keeping up this fantasy of his perfect, sweet, new girlfriend, that he's operating through her intentions and losing all rationale and logic.

He will now say anything, no matter how ridiculous, just to do as she wishes. He has been manipulated and deceived maximally, yet won't accept it.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by golden

Our lf has been on Marcus alone for the past 15 minutes...now showing Siavash sleeping in the living room.

I dont know which LF you are watching, Im on E4 I think...

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden

Our lf has been on Marcus alone for the past 15 minutes...now showing Siavash sleeping in the living room.

I dont know which LF you are watching, Im on E4 I think...

think you're watching e4 +1 like me

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
They arent his views that david and lisa are bullying bea? That david knew what lisa was like because he had watched it?

He thinks david has a gameplan by siding with lisa and picking off people to be up for eviction...again
He's just operating through Bea's intentions, he has become so delusional and mesmorized by her ways that he'll say anything to appease her. Even if it is ery hypocritical and delusional.

- He never points out how Bea goes around b*tching to people and maing derogatory remarks. Yet he sufferred this in weeks 1-6.

- He never points out how Bea spreads rumours and lies and talks about others belittlingly, even though he suffered this in weeks 1-6.

- He never points out that people make friends with those they share things in common with; just like he did with Bea, and David did with Lisa.

- He won't talk logically, by saying that David befriending Lisa was brave based on outwise world info.

- He won't accept how Bea being nominated implies that it's not just David and Lisa who are against her. He still won't smell the coffee.

He is wittling away and degrading into a worse character, just like his love chances with Bea are going down the pan. Bea sucks.

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by Shasown
Try this , Bea started the rumour to freddie knowing it would go to marcus, he metnions it to bea, she does the moral indignation garbage.

its not the first time she has played them all like this.

The other thing is 3 of them in the kitchen and David, Freddie is asking David why he made friends with Lisa and talks about her isolating others earlier to pick them off. Isnt that what Freddie is trying to do with those around Lisa so as to isolate Lisa, doesnt that make him no better than her?


And if you were David at the time knowing they sit and talk about you and make up lies about him etc, would you not feel they were picking on you/bullying?

Bea started it all, indirectly, yea, Ive already said that.

I dont blame freddie one bit for attempting to isolate lisa, if this is indeed what he trying to do. She deserves everything she gets in my opinion. However I feel he just doesnt want her starting all her b*llocks up again, just because she has people behind her.

What lies have been made up about David? They sit and talk about everyone all the time, theres nothing else to do.

But don't you understand that Halfwit and his group are in the powerful position now and they've moved in on David. He's the natural target for them now. I can't believe Halfwit publicly questioned him over the nature of his association with Lisa. That was pathetic and uncalled for and could be seen as an intimidating kinda gesture.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden

Our lf has been on Marcus alone for the past 15 minutes...now showing Siavash sleeping in the living room.

I dont know which LF you are watching, Im on E4 I think...

think you're watching e4 +1 like me

Ah yes thats right...some film my lad was watching just finished and BB came on :hugesmile:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta


But don't you understand that Halfwit and his group are in the powerful position now and they've moved in on David. He's the natural target for them now. I can't believe Halfwit publicly questioned him over the nature of his association with Lisa. That was pathetic and uncalled for and could be seen as an intimidating kinda gesture.

I dont believe freddie is targetting david. At all.

They are in the powerful position now though, I agree.

But he doesnt see david as a target.

Bea may, freddie doesnt. He thinks hes doing the right thing, sticking up for his friend.

We are going in circles now

[golden]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by golden

Our lf has been on Marcus alone for the past 15 minutes...now showing Siavash sleeping in the living room.

I dont know which LF you are watching, Im on E4 I think...

think you're watching e4 +1 like me

Ah I'm just E4...sugar I missed him explaining it again...

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by VickyJ


I dont believe freddie is targetting david. At all.

He doesnt see david as a target.

Bea may, freddie doesnt. He thinks hes doing the rught thing, sticking up for his friend.

We are going in circles now

Actually I see where you are coming from.

It is possible that Freddy is doing what he thinks is noble. And perhaps he is motivated by regret from the times he didn't stick up for her.

However sticking up for someone when they are being mean is not a good thing.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I dont believe freddie is targetting david. At all.

He doesnt see david as a target.

Bea may, freddie doesnt. He thinks hes doing the rught thing, sticking up for his friend.

We are going in circles now
Freddie has good intentions but is acting wrongly/badly, because he's operating through Bea, who has him doing her dirty work and has programmed him with her idiology about people in the BB house.

Bea = Freddie's downfall.

[a_2009]

1. this arguement has been building up for weeks....what has david done to Bea, Freddie or Markus to deserve the things they've said to him. Become friends with Lisa?? For me David's like quite a few of the fella's i've met down in manchester, he's happy to talk to any one, give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they do something personally offensive to him. The fact he's befriended Lisa having seen the public opinion to me shows he's stoked more than anything to be in the bb house, the guy who's dreamed of being a celebrity and now has a chance for his 15 minutes of fame.

The only time it could be argued that David has been forceful in his opinions was when he first entered the house and they were given the task. He seemed excited by the oppurtunity of being in the house, and the task and was upset that other people weren't immersing themselves in the experience, namely Bea.
For Bea the task was a chance to show she had morals, believed in loyalty and seriously got in the way of her gameplan to align herself with Freddie.....only to unveil her masquarade in the proceeding days.

2. How can Freddie say that David has isolated Bea and Markus, when in turn it is the 3 of them who have bitched and made him feel uncomfortable. Bea talks about friendship....so friendship includes calling someone stupid, not being interested in what they have to say, manipulating a situation, playing the victim and then to accuse the person of bullying you.....

So who is really isolating who??

3. The dramatic irony....
As Freddie decides to confront David about having a gameplan....which seems pretty flawed.....yes befriend Lisa....2 weeks ago when he entered the house...the most unpopular housemate.....is that the best he can come up with....and this guy calls himself intelligent...right! So whilst on his high horse with his superiority complex which seems to send halfwit on a crusade to out others gameplans....he has one himself....slightly hypocritical one may say. All the meanwhile Freddie seems unable to comprehend he's been the victim of Bea's gameplan, and has been played good and proper.

4. Lisa.
So the other housemates cause mischief to relieve boredom, they climb on to the roof, throw things in the pool, stage a sit in, in the diary room....call it boring, call it sensible - Lisa doesn't participate - she does suffer the ramifications of others actions....which were led by Markus and Freddie - the two people she dislikes the most....

Put yourself in her situation and you'd feel a sense of frustration, resentment etc if you suffered due to the actions of people you didn't like.

Now she finds herself up for nomination, because once again someone else has broken the rules. She knows she'd pretty much disliked on the outside (or to quote the views on her...evil, vile) and there's a good chance she's on her way out, yet she didn't receive a majority of votes from the housemates....hardly fair really is it.....yes you may hate her....but if you were up for nomination as a result of rule breaking, than being voted for, it's fair to say most people would feel annoyed.

Linking this to Lisa's involvement in the arguement, i think she acted a, out of loyalty to David', b, out of frustation to being up for the public vote, and c. it was a chance to vent some frustration on markus and halfwit who she's never got on with. She's unable to articulate herself in such heated situations without resorting to raising her voice and throwing insults....not nice, not clever, but Freddie and Markus are well aware of this and freddie in particular just antagonised the situation to get more of a reaction....

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta


But don't you understand that Halfwit and his group are in the powerful position now and they've moved in on David. He's the natural target for them now. I can't believe Halfwit publicly questioned him over the nature of his association with Lisa. That was pathetic and uncalled for and could be seen as an intimidating kinda gesture.

I dont believe freddie is targetting david. At all.

They are in the powerful position now though, I agree.

But he doesnt see david as a target.

Bea may, freddie doesnt. He thinks hes doing the right thing, sticking up for his friend.

We are going in circles now

Possibly, but he decided to air his views in front of the whole gang. That's an irresponsible thing to do or possibly an intimidation tactic on his part. Either way, it was uncalled for.

[AhmedFan2004]

Well said a_2009.

It's one set of standards for certain people, other set of standards for others.

And Bea has played those men like delusional, brainwashed fools.

David is a good Yorkshire lad making friends with people he gets on with.

Bea is the sly, horrible one, who has no true affection for ANYONE in the house.

[jet]

Halfwit has shown that he is a weak, easily - led person whose morals and common sense is dependent on the reactions of his 'dick. What a man.

Bea was nominated for eviction, for God's sake, and THAT isn't all down to David and Lisa. The little twat hasn't got a clue.

He looked EVIL at the end of that clip.

His "I LOVE IT" I LOVE IT" hahahahahahaha! was positively the creepiest display I have ever seen on ANY BB. *shivers*

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by VickyJ


I dont believe freddie is targetting david. At all.

He doesnt see david as a target.

Bea may, freddie doesnt. He thinks hes doing the rught thing, sticking up for his friend.

We are going in circles now

Actually I see where you are coming from.

It is possible that Freddy is doing what he thinks is noble. And perhaps he is motivated by regret from the times he didn't stick up for her.

However sticking up for someone when they are being mean is not a good thing.

Glad people are beginning to see my point.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta


Possibly, but he decided to air his views in front of the whole gang. That's an irresponsible thing to do or possibly an intimidation tactic on his part. Either way, it was uncalled for.

And as i said earlier, we dont know if he planned to do it infront of people, or if the conversation was steered that way, and he decided to just get it out in the open.

[GypsyGoth]

Great post a_2009, very well put.

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta


Possibly, but he decided to air his views in front of the whole gang. That's an irresponsible thing to do or possibly an intimidation tactic on his part. Either way, it was uncalled for.

And as i said earlier, we dont know if he planned to do it infront of people, or if the conversation was steered that way, and he decided to just get it out in the open.

Nah, you just don't air those kinda views without a bit of deliberation. He knew what he was saying there and it wasn't pleasant to hear him say it. Absolutely uncalled for. Can't be questioning people about their friendships like that, and suggest that it's part of some elaborate gameplan. That's insane.

[Vicky.]

a_2009 I agree with SOME of your post, you obviously put a lot of thought into it. Most things except for the way you appeared to make lisa out to be kind of blameless for her tirade...because she was pissed off at being up for eviction, I think it was partly out of loyalty to david, and partly out of her festering hatred of freddie.

And i see jet has posted again...another heap of anti-freddie/pro-lisa nonsense that has not much to do with the conversation, or something worth reading?

Can someone tell me please :kiss:

[jet]

Originally posted by a_2009
1. this arguement has been building up for weeks....what has david done to Bea, Freddie or Markus to deserve the things they've said to him. Become friends with Lisa?? For me David's like quite a few of the fella's i've met down in manchester, he's happy to talk to any one, give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they do something personally offensive to him. The fact he's befriended Lisa having seen the public opinion to me shows he's stoked more than anything to be in the bb house, the guy who's dreamed of being a celebrity and now has a chance for his 15 minutes of fame.

The only time it could be argued that David has been forceful in his opinions was when he first entered the house and they were given the task. He seemed excited by the oppurtunity of being in the house, and the task and was upset that other people weren't immersing themselves in the experience, namely Bea.
For Bea the task was a chance to show she had morals, believed in loyalty and seriously got in the way of her gameplan to align herself with Freddie.....only to unveil her masquarade in the proceeding days.

2. How can Freddie say that David has isolated Bea and Markus, when in turn it is the 3 of them who have bitched and made him feel uncomfortable. Bea talks about friendship....so friendship includes calling someone stupid, not being interested in what they have to say, manipulating a situation, playing the victim and then to accuse the person of bullying you.....

So who is really isolating who??

3. The dramatic irony....
As Freddie decides to confront David about having a gameplan....which seems pretty flawed.....yes befriend Lisa....2 weeks ago when he entered the house...the most unpopular housemate.....is that the best he can come up with....and this guy calls himself intelligent...right! So whilst on his high horse with his superiority complex which seems to send halfwit on a crusade to out others gameplans....he has one himself....slightly hypocritical one may say. All the meanwhile Freddie seems unable to comprehend he's been the victim of Bea's gameplan, and has been played good and proper.

4. Lisa.
So the other housemates cause mischief to relieve boredom, they climb on to the roof, throw things in the pool, stage a sit in, in the diary room....call it boring, call it sensible - Lisa doesn't participate - she does suffer the ramifications of others actions....which were led by Markus and Freddie - the two people she dislikes the most....

Put yourself in her situation and you'd feel a sense of frustration, resentment etc if you suffered due to the actions of people you didn't like.

Now she finds herself up for nomination, because once again someone else has broken the rules. She knows she'd pretty much disliked on the outside (or to quote the views on her...evil, vile) and there's a good chance she's on her way out, yet she didn't receive a majority of votes from the housemates....hardly fair really is it.....yes you may hate her....but if you were up for nomination as a result of rule breaking, than being voted for, it's fair to say most people would feel annoyed.

Linking this to Lisa's involvement in the arguement, i think she acted a, out of loyalty to David', b, out of frustation to being up for the public vote, and c. it was a chance to vent some frustration on markus and halfwit who she's never got on with. She's unable to articulate herself in such heated situations without resorting to raising her voice and throwing insults....not nice, not clever, but Freddie and Markus are well aware of this and freddie in particular just antagonised the situation to get more of a reaction....

You have hit the bulls - eye! Wonderful! :dance2:

[kisywisy]

Well said a_2009!!:thumbs:

[rodrillie]

Originally posted by a_2009
1. this arguement has been building up for weeks....what has david done to Bea, Freddie or Markus to deserve the things they've said to him. Become friends with Lisa?? For me David's like quite a few of the fella's i've met down in manchester, he's happy to talk to any one, give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they do something personally offensive to him. The fact he's befriended Lisa having seen the public opinion to me shows he's stoked more than anything to be in the bb house, the guy who's dreamed of being a celebrity and now has a chance for his 15 minutes of fame.

The only time it could be argued that David has been forceful in his opinions was when he first entered the house and they were given the task. He seemed excited by the oppurtunity of being in the house, and the task and was upset that other people weren't immersing themselves in the experience, namely Bea.
For Bea the task was a chance to show she had morals, believed in loyalty and seriously got in the way of her gameplan to align herself with Freddie.....only to unveil her masquarade in the proceeding days.

2. How can Freddie say that David has isolated Bea and Markus, when in turn it is the 3 of them who have bitched and made him feel uncomfortable. Bea talks about friendship....so friendship includes calling someone stupid, not being interested in what they have to say, manipulating a situation, playing the victim and then to accuse the person of bullying you.....

So who is really isolating who??

3. The dramatic irony....
As Freddie decides to confront David about having a gameplan....which seems pretty flawed.....yes befriend Lisa....2 weeks ago when he entered the house...the most unpopular housemate.....is that the best he can come up with....and this guy calls himself intelligent...right! So whilst on his high horse with his superiority complex which seems to send halfwit on a crusade to out others gameplans....he has one himself....slightly hypocritical one may say. All the meanwhile Freddie seems unable to comprehend he's been the victim of Bea's gameplan, and has been played good and proper.

4. Lisa.
So the other housemates cause mischief to relieve boredom, they climb on to the roof, throw things in the pool, stage a sit in, in the diary room....call it boring, call it sensible - Lisa doesn't participate - she does suffer the ramifications of others actions....which were led by Markus and Freddie - the two people she dislikes the most....

Put yourself in her situation and you'd feel a sense of frustration, resentment etc if you suffered due to the actions of people you didn't like.

Now she finds herself up for nomination, because once again someone else has broken the rules. She knows she'd pretty much disliked on the outside (or to quote the views on her...evil, vile) and there's a good chance she's on her way out, yet she didn't receive a majority of votes from the housemates....hardly fair really is it.....yes you may hate her....but if you were up for nomination as a result of rule breaking, than being voted for, it's fair to say most people would feel annoyed.

Linking this to Lisa's involvement in the arguement, i think she acted a, out of loyalty to David', b, out of frustation to being up for the public vote, and c. it was a chance to vent some frustration on markus and halfwit who she's never got on with. She's unable to articulate herself in such heated situations without resorting to raising her voice and throwing insults....not nice, not clever, but Freddie and Markus are well aware of this and freddie in particular just antagonised the situation to get more of a reaction....

well done! :thumbs:

[MissKittyFantastico]

a_2009 that was a really well written post and I can see totally where you're coming from.

I actually feel sorry for David as I believe he genuinely likes Lisa, and is somewhat being attacked for that just because Marcus, Freddie and Bea have a vendetta against Lisa, and because Bea has taken an intense dislike to David for no good reason apart from her being a snob.

David is actually a really inoffensive guy imo and is being unfairly treated in the most part, and a lot of it is purely because of who he has chosen to be friends with in the house.

Very unfair.

Freddie is binded by his love for Bea and is losing all sense of objectivity, he may have been sticking up for her, but he is seriously misguided in his loyalty to Bea, and is making himself look bad in the process.

Bea is just an awful person, end of.

[AhmedFan2004]

Such a great post, spot on, have to quote it again!

David is a warm hearted friendly lad,
Bea is a nasty sly manipulator with a facade,
Halfwit = Deluded, Blinded and Played,
Lisa = Hard done by (up for eviction; not due to Noms OR her actions) and loyal to David.

It's transparent, this post is perfect. :thumbs:

Originally posted by a_2009
1. this arguement has been building up for weeks....what has david done to Bea, Freddie or Markus to deserve the things they've said to him. Become friends with Lisa?? For me David's like quite a few of the fella's i've met down in manchester, he's happy to talk to any one, give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they do something personally offensive to him. The fact he's befriended Lisa having seen the public opinion to me shows he's stoked more than anything to be in the bb house, the guy who's dreamed of being a celebrity and now has a chance for his 15 minutes of fame.

The only time it could be argued that David has been forceful in his opinions was when he first entered the house and they were given the task. He seemed excited by the oppurtunity of being in the house, and the task and was upset that other people weren't immersing themselves in the experience, namely Bea.
For Bea the task was a chance to show she had morals, believed in loyalty and seriously got in the way of her gameplan to align herself with Freddie.....only to unveil her masquarade in the proceeding days.

2. How can Freddie say that David has isolated Bea and Markus, when in turn it is the 3 of them who have bitched and made him feel uncomfortable. Bea talks about friendship....so friendship includes calling someone stupid, not being interested in what they have to say, manipulating a situation, playing the victim and then to accuse the person of bullying you.....

So who is really isolating who??

3. The dramatic irony....
As Freddie decides to confront David about having a gameplan....which seems pretty flawed.....yes befriend Lisa....2 weeks ago when he entered the house...the most unpopular housemate.....is that the best he can come up with....and this guy calls himself intelligent...right! So whilst on his high horse with his superiority complex which seems to send halfwit on a crusade to out others gameplans....he has one himself....slightly hypocritical one may say. All the meanwhile Freddie seems unable to comprehend he's been the victim of Bea's gameplan, and has been played good and proper.

4. Lisa.
So the other housemates cause mischief to relieve boredom, they climb on to the roof, throw things in the pool, stage a sit in, in the diary room....call it boring, call it sensible - Lisa doesn't participate - she does suffer the ramifications of others actions....which were led by Markus and Freddie - the two people she dislikes the most....

Put yourself in her situation and you'd feel a sense of frustration, resentment etc if you suffered due to the actions of people you didn't like.

Now she finds herself up for nomination, because once again someone else has broken the rules. She knows she'd pretty much disliked on the outside (or to quote the views on her...evil, vile) and there's a good chance she's on her way out, yet she didn't receive a majority of votes from the housemates....hardly fair really is it.....yes you may hate her....but if you were up for nomination as a result of rule breaking, than being voted for, it's fair to say most people would feel annoyed.

Linking this to Lisa's involvement in the arguement, i think she acted a, out of loyalty to David', b, out of frustation to being up for the public vote, and c. it was a chance to vent some frustration on markus and halfwit who she's never got on with. She's unable to articulate herself in such heated situations without resorting to raising her voice and throwing insults....not nice, not clever, but Freddie and Markus are well aware of this and freddie in particular just antagonised the situation to get more of a reaction....

[golden]

I think I love a_2009:lovedup::blush2:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by golden
I think I love a_2009:lovedup::blush2:
It's a great post and explains everything perfectly. He/someone else should put that on digital spy too, so everyone is clear about this issue.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Such a great post, spot on, have to quote it again!

David is a warm hearted friendly lad,
Bea is a nasty sly manipulator with a facade,
Halfwit = Deluded, Blinded and Played,
Lisa = Hard done by (up for eviction; not due to Noms OR her actions) and loyal to David.

It's transparent, this post is perfect. :thumbs:


Agree with it all, mostly, except for lisa being hard done by. As i said above, once I could edit..my comp crashed :laugh2:

[jet]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by setanta


Possibly, but he decided to air his views in front of the whole gang. That's an irresponsible thing to do or possibly an intimidation tactic on his part. Either way, it was uncalled for.

And as i said earlier, we dont know if he planned to do it infront of people, or if the conversation was steered that way, and he decided to just get it out in the open.

Nah, you just don't air those kinda views without a bit of deliberation. He knew what he was saying there and it wasn't pleasant to hear him say it. Absolutely uncalled for. Can't be questioning people about their friendships like that, and suggest that it's part of some elaborate gameplan. That's insane.

ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON. :thumbs:

[a_2009]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Well said a_2009.

It's one set of standards for certain people, other set of standards for others.

And Bea has played those men like delusional, brainwashed fools.

David is a good Yorkshire lad making friends with people he gets on with.

Bea is the sly, horrible one, who has no true affection for ANYONE in the house.

No worries.
David's downfall with those 3 seems to be his lack of intellect, so he's not the smartest guy, big deal!! He's not going to be able to hold a discussion on philosophical subjects in the articulate way those 3 can. But I think it's more than obvious he wears his heart on his sleave, he's honest and he's loyal. They are three characteristics that i like in a person.

The dramatic irony that's centred around Bea is quite funny. When people set themselves up as being intellectually superior (maybe go as far as 'know it all's') and patronise others, I do find it amusing to watch their downfall. Maybe i'm slightly cruel, but I despise arrogance.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Agree with it all, mostly, except for lisa being hard done by. As i said above, once I could edit..my comp crashed :laugh2:
But all her scheming, tactics and obeying BB's rules shouldn't get her put up lol, she worked hard to ensure it. :tongue:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Well said a_2009.

It's one set of standards for certain people, other set of standards for others.

And Bea has played those men like delusional, brainwashed fools.

David is a good Yorkshire lad making friends with people he gets on with.

Bea is the sly, horrible one, who has no true affection for ANYONE in the house.

No worries.
David's downfall with those 3 seems to be his lack of intellect, so he's not the smartest guy, big deal!! He's not going to be able to hold a discussion on philosophical subjects in the articulate way those 3 can. But I think it's more than obvious he wears his heart on his sleave, he's honest and he's loyal. They are three characteristics that i like in a person.

The dramatic irony that's centred around Bea is quite funny. When people set themselves up as being intellectually superior (maybe go as far as 'know it all's') and patronise others, I do find it amusing to watch their downfall. Maybe i'm slightly cruel, but I despise arrogance.

Well I have to say it a_1009, I have never ever had my mind almost totally changed by one post. But you managed it.

I see it all totally different now, though in the lisa situation, we will have to agree to disagree, I just saw it as a small part her being loyal(She IS very loyal to her friends, no denying it) but mostly because she wanted to have a go at freddie...she must have missed bullying him...it was her hobby for a while...its understandable.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

Agree with it all, mostly, except for lisa being hard done by. As i said above, once I could edit..my comp crashed :laugh2:
But all her scheming, tactics and obeying BB's rules shouldn't get her put up lol, she worked hard to ensure it. :tongue:

I think its rather ironic that despite all this she is still up for eviction...and quite likely to go :whistle::thumbs2:

[setanta]

Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Well said a_2009.

It's one set of standards for certain people, other set of standards for others.

And Bea has played those men like delusional, brainwashed fools.

David is a good Yorkshire lad making friends with people he gets on with.

Bea is the sly, horrible one, who has no true affection for ANYONE in the house.

No worries.
David's downfall with those 3 seems to be his lack of intellect, so he's not the smartest guy, big deal!! He's not going to be able to hold a discussion on philosophical subjects in the articulate way those 3 can. But I think it's more than obvious he wears his heart on his sleave, he's honest and he's loyal. They are three characteristics that i like in a person.

The dramatic irony that's centred around Bea is quite funny. When people set themselves up as being intellectually superior (maybe go as far as 'know it all's') and patronise others, I do find it amusing to watch their downfall. Maybe i'm slightly cruel, but I despise arrogance.

I agree with you there. Bea has a snobby attitude towards people such as David, who are lower to her both in intellect and in her definitions of what constitutes class. I hate people with this kinda unfounded superiority complex, despising inferiors from her perceived lofty perch. David has literally done nothing to merit such disdain. She needs a good fall and I hope she gets it this week.

[AhmedFan2004]

Yes great post a_2009, someone get that up on Digital Spy, they should read it too. Perfectly explained.

Bea's intelligence is ultimately her downfall. I think it's poisoned her in so many ways.

[a_2009]

Originally posted by VickyJ
a_2009 I agree with SOME of your post, you obviously put a lot of thought into it. Most things except for the way you appeared to make lisa out to be kind of blameless for her tirade...because she was p****d off at being up for eviction, I think it was partly out of loyalty to david, and partly out of her festering hatred of freddie.


Nah not blameless by any means mate, the reasons i gave were the things which I believe contributed to her outburst....which was crude and as loud and offensive as you would expect from Lisa. Whilst her response could have erm...maybe been dealt with a little better (haha), I think she's justified in feeling a sense of anger and injustice.

[jet]

Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Well said a_2009.

It's one set of standards for certain people, other set of standards for others.

And Bea has played those men like delusional, brainwashed fools.

David is a good Yorkshire lad making friends with people he gets on with.

Bea is the sly, horrible one, who has no true affection for ANYONE in the house.

No worries.
David's downfall with those 3 seems to be his lack of intellect, so he's not the smartest guy, big deal!! He's not going to be able to hold a discussion on philosophical subjects in the articulate way those 3 can. But I think it's more than obvious he wears his heart on his sleave, he's honest and he's loyal. They are three characteristics that i like in a person.

The dramatic irony that's centred around Bea is quite funny. When people set themselves up as being intellectually superior (maybe go as far as 'know it all's') and patronise others, I do find it amusing to watch their downfall. Maybe i'm slightly cruel, but I despise arrogance.

You and me both, a_2009!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by VickyJ
a_2009 I agree with SOME of your post, you obviously put a lot of thought into it. Most things except for the way you appeared to make lisa out to be kind of blameless for her tirade...because she was p****d off at being up for eviction, I think it was partly out of loyalty to david, and partly out of her festering hatred of freddie.


Nah not blameless by any means mate, the reasons i gave were the things which I believe contributed to her outburst....which was crude and as loud and offensive as you would expect from Lisa. Whilst her response could have erm...maybe been dealt with a little better (haha), I think she's justified in feeling a sense of anger and injustice.


Again, I dont think she felt injustice, just mainly an excuse to have a pop at freddie. Which is not out of character :wink:

[a_2009]

Originally posted by golden
I think I love a_2009:lovedup::blush2:

I am female, based on your gender/sexual orientation you may want to edit that to like :tongue:

[a_2009]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Well said a_2009.

It's one set of standards for certain people, other set of standards for others.

And Bea has played those men like delusional, brainwashed fools.

David is a good Yorkshire lad making friends with people he gets on with.

Bea is the sly, horrible one, who has no true affection for ANYONE in the house.

No worries.
David's downfall with those 3 seems to be his lack of intellect, so he's not the smartest guy, big deal!! He's not going to be able to hold a discussion on philosophical subjects in the articulate way those 3 can. But I think it's more than obvious he wears his heart on his sleave, he's honest and he's loyal. They are three characteristics that i like in a person.

The dramatic irony that's centred around Bea is quite funny. When people set themselves up as being intellectually superior (maybe go as far as 'know it all's') and patronise others, I do find it amusing to watch their downfall. Maybe i'm slightly cruel, but I despise arrogance.

Well I have to say it a_1009, I have never ever had my mind almost totally changed by one post. But you managed it.

I see it all totally different now, though in the lisa situation, we will have to agree to disagree, I just saw it as a small part her being loyal(She IS very loyal to her friends, no denying it) but mostly because she wanted to have a go at freddie...she must have missed bullying him...it was her hobby for a while...its understandable.

Ah don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to change your opinion of Lisa.
The intention behind my posts are to try and be fair and as objective to the situation as possible (even though the posts are fundamentally subjective *cough*) and just to get a bit of a discussion going. People are never going to agree on everything, but as long as the discussions are conducted with respect...happy days. :thumbs:

[rsefitpro2009]

If Siavash and Marcus hadn't have broken the rules, Bea would have been up for a vote to evict and not to save!. Freddies blowing his chances with this woman in the house!, and it looks like someone not as deserving such as Charlie or Sophie could win over him all because of that btch Bea.

It annoys me that someone whom deserves to win and has done the most in the house is blowing his chances all because of this woman! And the public are looking at someone like Sophie or Charlie as a winner!

[WAYNEEBRUM]

Fred needs to wake up,hes obsessed with Bea.Though seeing her in bed hugging him maybe he gets mixed signals.Either way he was embarrassing to watch when lisa went off on one,the old Fred was better.

[Johann]

Halfarse is a changed man since Bea came in the house - he can't take the fact that she doesn't fancy him so his mind is all screwed up. Normally he would have been all calm and collected when L*sa was running her mouth, but he acted very stupid and it certainly hasn't done him any favors. :whistle:

[olga]

Originally posted by freddie2win
ive been a huge freddie fan from the start but after seeing that, he is in danger it was pathetic seeing him laugh while lisa was berating him. David is 100% right in sussing bea's gameplan out and after hating lisa initially, she was spot on today. Freddie needs to see the light about bea otherwise he is on his way


So what should he have done while Lisa was ranting at him - sat there meekly; ranted back at her...............he totally did the right thing by laughing - showed just how pathetic she really is - and what she said to him was funny "go and take a w***". Well done Freddie - completely shut her down :tongue:

[olga]

Originally posted by WAYNEEBRUM
Fred needs to wake up,hes obsessed with Bea.Though seeing her in bed hugging him maybe he gets mixed signals.Either way he was embarrassing to watch when lisa went off on one,the old Fred was better.


He has woken up.............told her on lf early this morning that the reason she was nominated was because she bitches and moans too much and should chill out more. Well done Freddie - finally seen the light.

[BB22]

Originally posted by VickyJ
My internet has been playing up, and I couldnt watch it til now.

Jesus, by the reactions of some on here you would think he had picked up a knife and held it to davids throat.

He wasnt bullying him at all, to me it looked a lot like he was perplexed at how david could befriend lisa after watching the show and knowing what she was like...and fair point to him.

Obviously he wont see why anyone from the outside could possibly like her. And to those who were saying marcus and bea also ganged up on him, i think your vision is clouded by hate. All Bea did was say she didnt udnerstand why he didnt like her, David was nasty in return, so she got a bit wound up...then all marcus did was tell him to 'say what you mean'...he said its best to get it all out in the open, which is true.

Wow, Ive spent the day worrying that freddie had turned into a bully, after how he was treated, and then i see it, and he was in the fecking right. Just shows how hysterical this forum gets over the slightest little thing.

And I loved how he just laughed at lisa when she started with that big gob of hers :laugh:

Absolutely and totally agree.

I just don't get what the controversy is. The notion that Freddie was "bullying" Dave is just ridiculous and just demonstrates how utterly hysterical people can become in their efforts to mould reality to fit their prejudices.

As for Freddie laughing at Lisa, well I see a lot of people on here with the memory of a goldfish. Have people forgotten the first few weeks when Lisa was also in Freddie's face, pointing and shouting as she was in this latest row? Back then he was intimidated by her and her gang but not any more. Bloody hell, I would have laughed in her face if she had gone stomping around, croaking and waving her arms like she did in this row.

Basically it was the old Lisa back again in full force, only this time Freddie isn't scared, and good for him!

I see Lisa has attracted a few David fans to defend her. That's just a mistake on their part, as far as I am concerned as his association with her is killing him.

And finally, I fail to see how anyone can criticise Marcus here. He uttered about one sentence in the row and didn't even take a side.

Basically, some of the reaction on this forum has been fairly hysterical and unreasonable.

That is all.

[Blueisthecolour]

I'm afraid I just couldn't take any of that argument seriously.

Watching a pack of cards arguing with each other was just too surreal...

[luminoussun]

i like freddie but this has not helped his chances.
Bea must go soon for freddie to stand a chance.
Like rex a woman will be his downfall

[fuzzylovin]

Ohhh wait a minute :joker: so freddie is allowed to bully david and its called no hes not bullying him.

But if Bea had done what freddie done, her name would have been slated all over the forum for been a bully bitch.

[hennessy]

This is nothing like the old days
it's 3 vs 2 and David is almost 2 so it's almost fair.
Look at the size of him, the way he goes on about food (not 100% proof) and if Freddie thinks it might be him stealing the food than I'd agree.
What happened to Freddie was awful and in no way compares to this.

[setanta]

I watched the vt again there this morning, and yes, Freddie acted like a tit in it. Can't openly accuse anyone like that in front of your gang. Who is he to question somebody about their relationships in the house. It's infantile and an extremely bad performance by him. It'll be interesting to see how the whole argument developed on the highlights show tonight.

My money is on Freddie and Bea questioning David on why he doesn't like Bea, and it seems perfectly clear to me why he wouldn't like the woman. Freddie has lost the plot.

[Mickey2009]

Seems the tide is is turning against Halfwit & Wholetit
Charlie & Rodrigo are even gone off Halfwit

Well, after yesterday's nominations debacle you'd think that Marcus would have tried to keep a low profile. But oh no – not content with helping ensure that everyone would face eviction, Marcus started a big row with David which ended up with the pair of them being separated by Big Brother before being hauled off to the Diary Room to explain themselves. Then, in the good old 'arguments start arguments' vein, Lisa started on Halfwit because he laughed at the nominations result.

Thankfully, David and Marcus made up later on, but it wasn't the same for Halfwit. He was never going to be best friends with Lisa, but this argument probably made sure they never will be. Rodrigo felt the same way as Lisa too and decided to take back all the nice things he'd previously said about Halfwit. Even Charlie had a bit of a go at him too.

[Indierock&roll]

wtf if that was david saying all that stuff to freddie i still wouldnt call it bullyinng ffs people need there heads checked on here, using the bullying word a bit more loosly, freddie was just telling him WHAT HE THOUGHT of the situation with him and lisa, partly right too
although it probably didnt do him any favours but what about lisa screaming in his face at the end?

[setanta]

Originally posted by Indierock&roll
wtf if that was david saying all that stuff to freddie i still wouldnt call it bullyinng ffs people need there heads checked on here, using the bullying word a bit more loosly, freddie was just telling him WHAT HE THOUGHT of the situation with him and lisa, partly right too
although it probably didnt do him any favours but what about lisa screaming in his face at the end?

I wouldn't call it bullying but it's definitely intimidation through force of numbers. I mean honestly, he had no right to question David on his choice of friends.... fu£k that. You can't be doing things like that, and then accusing him of having a gameplan becuz of the allegiances he's formed. That's a bit mad now really.

[Indierock&roll]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by Indierock&roll
wtf if that was david saying all that stuff to freddie i still wouldnt call it bullyinng ffs people need there heads checked on here, using the bullying word a bit more loosly, freddie was just telling him WHAT HE THOUGHT of the situation with him and lisa, partly right too
although it probably didnt do him any favours but what about lisa screaming in his face at the end?

I wouldn't call it bullying but it's definitely intimidation through force of numbers. I mean honestly, he had no right to question David on his choice of friends.... fu£k that. You can't be doing things like that, and then accusing him of having a gameplan becuz of the allegiances he's formed. That's a bit mad now really.

it was only really freddie talking and a bit of bea and marcus said one word.. then lisa was screaming in freddies face and she hadnt even heard all of the conversation

[setanta]

Originally posted by Indierock&roll
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by Indierock&roll
wtf if that was david saying all that stuff to freddie i still wouldnt call it bullyinng ffs people need there heads checked on here, using the bullying word a bit more loosly, freddie was just telling him WHAT HE THOUGHT of the situation with him and lisa, partly right too
although it probably didnt do him any favours but what about lisa screaming in his face at the end?

I wouldn't call it bullying but it's definitely intimidation through force of numbers. I mean honestly, he had no right to question David on his choice of friends.... fu£k that. You can't be doing things like that, and then accusing him of having a gameplan becuz of the allegiances he's formed. That's a bit mad now really.

it was only really freddie talking and a bit of bea and marcus said one word.. then lisa was screaming in freddies face and she hadnt even heard all of the conversation

it wouldn't surprise me if this was just a little moment in an ongoing argument. i think she was defending a friend in her own monosyllabic/ reactionary kinda way. freddie wasn't talking; he was accusing David in front of all his friends. i would have been in like a shot eventually too.

don't get me wrong now.... i'm not a fan of lisa's or David's, but that was nuts on Freddie's part to suddenly have digs at David over nothing.

[shams79]

I think Lisa should be kicked out for that outbust, she was very agressive and just to walk into a conversation and react like that shows what sort of person she is, I feel that David reaction was correct and fair.

[shams79]

I don't feel Halfwit was bullying David as I don't think David is someone that can be bullied, I understand why Halfwit felt the need to let David know what sort of person Lisa is but at the end of the David has had the foresight in watching the show before he came into the house and now is his judgement call. You are know by the company you keep my mother always saids.

[jet]

Originally posted by shams79
I think Lisa should be kicked out for that outbust, she was very agressive and just to walk into a conversation and react like that shows what sort of person she is, I feel that David reaction was correct and fair.

Some people think lisa should be kicked out for simply existing. :rolleyes:

Yet halfwit the twit can do whatever he likes and gets his little head patted.

[nickc25]

Originally posted by freddie2win
ive been a huge freddie fan from the start but after seeing that, he is in danger it was pathetic seeing him laugh while lisa was berating him. David is 100% right in sussing bea's gameplan out and after hating lisa initially, she was spot on today. Freddie needs to see the light about bea otherwise he is on his way

He was laughing at Lisa's foul mouthed reaction! Nothing more. Would you have preferred it if he started calling her names and shouting back to her? He showed that he is better than her in every way by not stooping to her levels of vileness

[bansheewails]

Freddie behaved well as always, if you see the whole thing. Lisa was being foul mouthed and aggressive and freddie instead of behaving on her level laughed at her. I dont see any problem here at all. Lisa was being lisa and freddie was being freddie, no change at all!

:flowers:

[setanta]

Originally posted by nickc25
Originally posted by freddie2win
ive been a huge freddie fan from the start but after seeing that, he is in danger it was pathetic seeing him laugh while lisa was berating him. David is 100% right in sussing bea's gameplan out and after hating lisa initially, she was spot on today. Freddie needs to see the light about bea otherwise he is on his way

He was laughing at Lisa's foul mouthed reaction! Nothing more. Would you have preferred it if he started calling her names and shouting back to her? He showed that he is better than her in every way by not stooping to her levels of vileness

I think for the first time Lisa was entirely justified in protecting her friend from Freddie. He was acting like a prat, accusing David of gameplaying in front of the group.

[setanta]

Originally posted by bansheewails
Freddie behaved well as always, if you see the whole thing. Lisa was being foul mouthed and aggressive and freddie instead of behaving on her level laughed at her. I dont see any problem here at all. Lisa was being lisa and freddie was being freddie, no change at all!

:flowers:

Freddie did not behave well in this situation at all. He had no right to question David over who he's decided to befriend in the house, and then to suggest that it's some kind of elaborate gameplan on his part is just plain silliness.

It was an uncalled for attack on David. Bea has the chap wrapped around her finger.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by Hedgie

We don't have live feed. It's a moot point really.

Freddie said he saw him take the food didn't he? :conf:

Wouldnt be the first time a housemate has told a porky would it? Why didnt he just say outright David I saw you take the butter so Bea is right about that? Smitten men also never tell tales to defend the woman they like, now do they?

It's funny how one of the threads on the official CH4 site said it was Sophie and Rodrigo were the ones helping themselves to extras of cheese on toast, since the initial arguement about the butter, that comment was removed.

Cant have anything there thats casts our little Fuddie in a bad light can we?

The whole nomination blow up, and subsequent arguement in the kitchen was removed from the daytime highlights airing. Admitted it could have been because of the language, schedule overruns or some such,(the program was filled with extra little bits of interactions that were featured last night) but it did remove the screeching banshees that were Rodrigo and Lisa, it also removed what could have been seen as Team Marcus beating up on David till Lisa rescued him. (Opinions can be very subjective cant they?) No I dont view it like that.

[noirin4eva]

Originally posted by VickyJ
My internet has been playing up, and I couldnt watch it til now.

Jesus, by the reactions of some on here you would think he had picked up a knife and held it to davids throat.

He wasnt bullying him at all, to me it looked a lot like he was perplexed at how david could befriend lisa after watching the show and knowing what she was like...and fair point to him.

Obviously he wont see why anyone from the outside could possibly like her. And to those who were saying marcus and bea also ganged up on him, i think your vision is clouded by hate. All Bea did was say she didnt udnerstand why he didnt like her, David was nasty in return, so she got a bit wound up...then all marcus did was tell him to 'say what you mean'...he said its best to get it all out in the open, which is true.

Wow, Ive spent the day worrying that freddie had turned into a bully, after how he was treated, and then i see it, and he was in the fecking right. Just shows how hysterical this forum gets over the slightest little thing.

And I loved how he just laughed at lisa when she started with that big gob of hers :laugh:

Wow you've got your Halfwit loving goggles on right now. If anything the fact that he sided with Lisa straight off the bat shows he has absolutely no gameplan. The only reason Freddie went after David is because he's in love with Bea and cant see her for the worm that she is. Lisa was spot on to come in as she was helping out her friend.

People seem to forget that we never grew to like Freddie we were forced to because of his treatment by the other housemates.

[Speedy]

I think people have to understand the definition of the term "Bullying". Bullying is not confronting someone or having a one off argument. There are four types of bullying

* Verbal bullying - such as name calling or put downs, threats, teasing, including sexual harassment and innuendo (it might also be extended to written form through email or sms).

* Physical bullying - being punched, tripped, kicked or having your belongings stolen or damaged. It might also include sexual abuse.

* Social bullying - being left out, ignored or having rumours spread about you.

* Psychological bullying - you are given dirty looks or stalked, often less obvious or direct than other forms of bullying or making you feel intimidated or manipulated.
From: http://au.reachout.com/find/articles/bullying-what-it-is

Bullying is so bad in the hospital system (where I work) that we actually have a "No Bullying Policy". Unfortunately it doesn't stop it.

There was NO bullying in that situation from what I could see, it was a heated discussion. However Freddy experienced a lot of bullying early on which I'm not going to go into to.

[goongoondown]

Originally posted by noirin4eva
Originally posted by VickyJ
My internet has been playing up, and I couldnt watch it til now.

Jesus, by the reactions of some on here you would think he had picked up a knife and held it to davids throat.

He wasnt bullying him at all, to me it looked a lot like he was perplexed at how david could befriend lisa after watching the show and knowing what she was like...and fair point to him.

Obviously he wont see why anyone from the outside could possibly like her. And to those who were saying marcus and bea also ganged up on him, i think your vision is clouded by hate. All Bea did was say she didnt udnerstand why he didnt like her, David was nasty in return, so she got a bit wound up...then all marcus did was tell him to 'say what you mean'...he said its best to get it all out in the open, which is true.

Wow, Ive spent the day worrying that freddie had turned into a bully, after how he was treated, and then i see it, and he was in the fecking right. Just shows how hysterical this forum gets over the slightest little thing.

And I loved how he just laughed at lisa when she started with that big gob of hers :laugh:

Wow you've got your Halfwit loving goggles on right now. If anything the fact that he sided with Lisa straight off the bat shows he has absolutely no gameplan. The only reason Freddie went after David is because he's in love with Bea and cant see her for the worm that she is. Lisa was spot on to come in as she was helping out her friend.

People seem to forget that we never grew to like Freddie we were forced to because of his treatment by the other housemates.


Agree agree agree. What sort of a game plan is it to hook up with an unpopular housemate? ?Hey freddie work that one out because i am lost. Was he not intelligent before? Did he not think to himself as the words formed in his mind 'hold on a sec surely the best gameplan is to hook up with a popular housemate like bea has with me..oops?'. When people gang up on a percieved weak opponent it smacks of cowardice and intended bullying (not that they achieved it). The way bea and marcus and freddie literally had him surrounded and were mocking his obviously passioned comments was nasty and lisa (being a bully herself could smell it a mile of as could sophie who looked petrified and was clinging to david) was empowered to do right for a change and i say good for her. Nothing worse than the bullied becoming a bully, bad move freddie, and for god sakes stop passing the responsibility of his behaviour onto bea.

[AhmedFan2004]

I hope that after tonight's HL episode, Lisa and David get the support they deserve. :thumbs:

[Marc]

David is gross. Freddie isn't.

Simple as. Get David out :spin2:

[fallentree]

Originally posted by VickyJ
My internet has been playing up, and I couldnt watch it til now.

Jesus, by the reactions of some on here you would think he had picked up a knife and held it to davids throat.

He wasnt bullying him at all, to me it looked a lot like he was perplexed at how david could befriend lisa after watching the show and knowing what she was like...and fair point to him.

Obviously he wont see why anyone from the outside could possibly like her. And to those who were saying marcus and bea also ganged up on him, i think your vision is clouded by hate. All Bea did was say she didnt udnerstand why he didnt like her, David was nasty in return, so she got a bit wound up...then all marcus did was tell him to 'say what you mean'...he said its best to get it all out in the open, which is true.

Wow, Ive spent the day worrying that freddie had turned into a bully, after how he was treated, and then i see it, and he was in the fecking right. Just shows how hysterical this forum gets over the slightest little thing.

And I loved how he just laughed at lisa when she started with that big gob of hers :laugh:


he just laughed at the barking dog lisa..it was beautiful!!!!

[a_2009]

Originally posted by Speedy
I think people have to understand the definition of the term "Bullying". Bullying is not confronting someone or having a one off argument. There are four types of bullying

* Verbal bullying - such as name calling or put downs, threats, teasing, including sexual harassment and innuendo (it might also be extended to written form through email or sms).

* Physical bullying - being punched, tripped, kicked or having your belongings stolen or damaged. It might also include sexual abuse.

* Social bullying - being left out, ignored or having rumours spread about you.

* Psychological bullying - you are given dirty looks or stalked, often less obvious or direct than other forms of bullying or making you feel intimidated or manipulated.
From: http://au.reachout.com/find/articles/bullying-what-it-is

Bullying is so bad in the hospital system (where I work) that we actually have a "No Bullying Policy". Unfortunately it doesn't stop it.

There was NO bullying in that situation from what I could see, it was a heated discussion. However Freddy experienced a lot of bullying early on which I'm not going to go into to.

It could be argued David has been a victim of both:

* Social bullying - being left out, ignored or having rumours spread about you.

* Psychological bullying - you are given dirty looks or stalked, often less obvious or direct than other forms of bullying or making you feel intimidated or manipulated.

Social bullying in that Freddie, Bea and Markus have spread rumours about him stealing food...this stemmed from Markus's jealousy about the diary room incident.

Bea manipulated a situation where she played the victim and accused David of bullying her, she patronises him saying she thought she was a friend, but was saying some pretty nasty things behind his back (yorkshire pudding, stupid, theif). David hadn't done anything to deserve such treatment, befriending Lisa, does not justify the behaviour of Freddie, Bea and Markus towards him.

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by Speedy
I think people have to understand the definition of the term "Bullying". Bullying is not confronting someone or having a one off argument. There are four types of bullying

* Verbal bullying - such as name calling or put downs, threats, teasing, including sexual harassment and innuendo (it might also be extended to written form through email or sms).

* Physical bullying - being punched, tripped, kicked or having your belongings stolen or damaged. It might also include sexual abuse.

* Social bullying - being left out, ignored or having rumours spread about you.

* Psychological bullying - you are given dirty looks or stalked, often less obvious or direct than other forms of bullying or making you feel intimidated or manipulated.
From: http://au.reachout.com/find/articles/bullying-what-it-is

Bullying is so bad in the hospital system (where I work) that we actually have a "No Bullying Policy". Unfortunately it doesn't stop it.

There was NO bullying in that situation from what I could see, it was a heated discussion. However Freddy experienced a lot of bullying early on which I'm not going to go into to.

It could be argued David has been a victim of both:

* Social bullying - being left out, ignored or having rumours spread about you.

* Psychological bullying - you are given dirty looks or stalked, often less obvious or direct than other forms of bullying or making you feel intimidated or manipulated.

Social bullying in that Freddie, Bea and Markus have spread rumours about him stealing food...this stemmed from Markus's jealousy about the diary room incident.

Bea manipulated a situation where she played the victim and accused David of bullying her, she patronises him saying she thought she was a friend, but was saying some pretty nasty things behind his back (yorkshire pudding, stupid, theif). David hadn't done anything to deserve such treatment, befriending Lisa, does not justify the behaviour of Freddie, Bea and Markus towards him.

:thumbs:

you beat me too it!!

[a_2009]

I'm going to get a reputation for being a Lisa fan at this rate :wink:
Lisa behaved pretty badly in the first couple of weeks. But that doesn't justify the nasty comments, and the rose tinted views of the likes of Freddie, Bea and Markus 'fans'. I don't care who it is, watching anyone bully another person is awful.

[BBLB]

Originally posted by Speedy
I think people have to understand the definition of the term "Bullying". Bullying is not confronting someone or having a one off argument. There are four types of bullying

* Verbal bullying - such as name calling or put downs, threats, teasing, including sexual harassment and innuendo (it might also be extended to written form through email or sms).

* Physical bullying - being punched, tripped, kicked or having your belongings stolen or damaged. It might also include sexual abuse.

* Social bullying - being left out, ignored or having rumours spread about you.

* Psychological bullying - you are given dirty looks or stalked, often less obvious or direct than other forms of bullying or making you feel intimidated or manipulated.
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Bullying is so bad in the hospital system (where I work) that we actually have a "No Bullying Policy". Unfortunately it doesn't stop it.

There was NO bullying in that situation from what I could see, it was a heated discussion. However Freddy experienced a lot of bullying early on which I'm not going to go into to.

* Verbal bullying - such as name calling or put downs, threats, teasing, including sexual harassment and innuendo (it might also be extended to written form through email or sms).

HALFWIT : Oh yeah thats it lisa your makin me cum,give me more make me cum yeah yeah.

MARCUS : I wont quote him but he gave out huge amounts of verbal name calling to David including attacks about his weight.

* Social bullying - being left out, ignored or having rumours spread about you.

BEA and HALFWIT : Laughing at David and Lisa being at the bus stop.
Attacking David for being Lisas friend and accusing him of having a gameplan,also in this fight tonight we saw halfwit not happy that lisa had any support in the house,he seriously wants to isolate her,hes said similar on many ocassions.

Seems to me your not looking close enough to what has happened over the past few weeks...marcus bea and halfwit have all displayed characteristics from your description of what a bully is.