View Full Version : Lisa - Justified hatred or unacceptable homophobia?
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 11:16 AM
I have watched BB10 from day 1 and although I have witnessed Lisa and Halfwit arguing, I'm not sure how this falls into the category of Lisa bullying.
Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying."
Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other.
Halfwit does not strike me as the "victim" type. He is more than capable of defending himself.
Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype. If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?
I somehow doubt it. If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated.
As to Lisa "controlling" people in the house. What utter nonsense, born more from homophobic ignorance than any sound basis in fact or reason.
If anyone in the house has been bullied it has been David. He has been honest and genuine and has had nothing but untrue, unsubstantiated slander slung against him. Yet he has managed to defend himself calmly and with grace.
Whoever supports Halfwit must have a very warped and twisted mindset. He is the least genuine housemate... constantly banging on about everyone else's gameplan when it is abundantly apparent that his is the biggest gameplan of them all...
CaudleHalbard
07-08-2009, 11:18 AM
Lisa's first row was with Marcus wasn't it?
She came across a bit man hating in that one!
hennessy
07-08-2009, 11:18 AM
Your 1st post is this?
Even the people that want Halfwit out acknowledge that Lisa bullied Halfwit
karezza
07-08-2009, 11:19 AM
She is a nasty, vile, moronic bully.:yuk:
charmingmissc
07-08-2009, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
I have watched BB10 from day 1 and although I have witnessed Lisa and Halfwit arguing, I'm not sure how this falls into the category of Lisa bullying.
Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying."
Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other.
Halfwit does not strike me as the "victim" type. He is more than capable of defending himself.
Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype. If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?
I somehow doubt it. If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated.
As to Lisa "controlling" people in the house. What utter nonsense, born more from homophobic ignorance than any sound basis in fact or reason.
If anyone in the house has been bullied it has been David. He has been honest and genuine and has had nothing but untrue, unsubstantiated slander slung against him. Yet he has managed to defend himself calmly and with grace.
Whoever supports Halfwit must have a very warped and twisted mindset. He is the least genuine housemate... constantly banging on about everyone else's gameplan when it is abundantly apparent that his is the biggest gameplan of them all...
lisa's sexuality is none of my business,
i just don't like the whole person.
For me I don't care if she's a lesbian or not. It got nothing to do with it. When people mention bullying its because they group 2 or 3 and attack one person.
To be fair, both side did it and no one is right or wrong when it comes down to it.
Lisa can fancy woman, man, both or her Ipod it doesn't change anything.
Showstopper
07-08-2009, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
I have watched BB10 from day 1 and although I have witnessed Lisa and Halfwit arguing, I'm not sure how this falls into the category of Lisa bullying.
Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying."
Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other.
Halfwit does not strike me as the "victim" type. He is more than capable of defending himself.
Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype. If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?
I somehow doubt it. If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated.
As to Lisa "controlling" people in the house. What utter nonsense, born more from homophobic ignorance than any sound basis in fact or reason.
If anyone in the house has been bullied it has been David. He has been honest and genuine and has had nothing but untrue, unsubstantiated slander slung against him. Yet he has managed to defend himself calmly and with grace.
Whoever supports Halfwit must have a very warped and twisted mindset. He is the least genuine housemate... constantly banging on about everyone else's gameplan when it is abundantly apparent that his is the biggest gameplan of them all...
Rubbish - Bea is not liked and she is a relitively attractive straight woman
hennessy
07-08-2009, 11:21 AM
maybe you're heterophobic?
Melly.Moo
07-08-2009, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
I have watched BB10 from day 1 and although I have witnessed Lisa and Halfwit arguing, I'm not sure how this falls into the category of Lisa bullying.
Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying."
Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other.
Halfwit does not strike me as the "victim" type. He is more than capable of defending himself.
Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype. If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?
I somehow doubt it. If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated.
As to Lisa "controlling" people in the house. What utter nonsense, born more from homophobic ignorance than any sound basis in fact or reason.
If anyone in the house has been bullied it has been David. He has been honest and genuine and has had nothing but untrue, unsubstantiated slander slung against him. Yet he has managed to defend himself calmly and with grace.
Whoever supports Halfwit must have a very warped and twisted mindset. He is the least genuine housemate... constantly banging on about everyone else's gameplan when it is abundantly apparent that his is the biggest gameplan of them all...
You have no idea!
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
I have watched BB10 from day 1 and although I have witnessed Lisa and Halfwit arguing, I'm not sure how this falls into the category of Lisa bullying.
Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying."
Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other.
Halfwit does not strike me as the "victim" type. He is more than capable of defending himself.
Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype. If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?
I somehow doubt it. If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated.
As to Lisa "controlling" people in the house. What utter nonsense, born more from homophobic ignorance than any sound basis in fact or reason.
If anyone in the house has been bullied it has been David. He has been honest and genuine and has had nothing but untrue, unsubstantiated slander slung against him. Yet he has managed to defend himself calmly and with grace.
Whoever supports Halfwit must have a very warped and twisted mindset. He is the least genuine housemate... constantly banging on about everyone else's gameplan when it is abundantly apparent that his is the biggest gameplan of them all...
GREAT POST! :thumbs:
NettoSuperstar!
07-08-2009, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
I have watched BB10 from day 1 and although I have witnessed Lisa and Halfwit arguing, I'm not sure how this falls into the category of Lisa bullying.
Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying."
Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other.
Halfwit does not strike me as the "victim" type. He is more than capable of defending himself.
Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype. If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?
I somehow doubt it. If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated.
As to Lisa "controlling" people in the house. What utter nonsense, born more from homophobic ignorance than any sound basis in fact or reason.
If anyone in the house has been bullied it has been David. He has been honest and genuine and has had nothing but untrue, unsubstantiated slander slung against him. Yet he has managed to defend himself calmly and with grace.
Whoever supports Halfwit must have a very warped and twisted mindset. He is the least genuine housemate... constantly banging on about everyone else's gameplan when it is abundantly apparent that his is the biggest gameplan of them all...
you are so far off the mark its untrue, if I could be bothered to argue anymore...
stickydatepudding
07-08-2009, 11:23 AM
I'm a lesbian, and that's a load of rot. People don't like Lisa for perfectly justified reasons - because she and the others did bully Halfwit and Angel. Some videos which someone on DSBB compiled:
Lisa doesn't mince her words... (http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/64674466c6a14538b110c8742b168b3e/play.c4)
Lisa and Halfwit have a bust-up (http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/a2b4730b5087730f8dadcfb882a1a32f/play.c4)
Lisa and Marcus really let rip (http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/817c1dcea1018fce87e0cfdf1375ad57/play.c4)
Don't tell me what to do... (http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/d664a8c4b1d91744a622ad7b3fa3b9af/play.c4)
Lisa tells Halfwit he's playing the victim... (http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/0fc4985d1164772bce618565138f052b/play.c4)
Blueisthecolour
07-08-2009, 11:24 AM
The whole point of the original post is rubbish in my view.
Lisa comes across as a very unpleasant, lazy , manipulative person.
That has nothing to do with homophobia, it's more like arseholepobia.
As showstopper said, Bea is a tall, blonde, straight woman and has many detractors.
Originally posted by Showstopper
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
I have watched BB10 from day 1 and although I have witnessed Lisa and Halfwit arguing, I'm not sure how this falls into the category of Lisa bullying.
Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying."
Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other.
Halfwit does not strike me as the "victim" type. He is more than capable of defending himself.
Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype. If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?
I somehow doubt it. If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated.
As to Lisa "controlling" people in the house. What utter nonsense, born more from homophobic ignorance than any sound basis in fact or reason.
If anyone in the house has been bullied it has been David. He has been honest and genuine and has had nothing but untrue, unsubstantiated slander slung against him. Yet he has managed to defend himself calmly and with grace.
Whoever supports Halfwit must have a very warped and twisted mindset. He is the least genuine housemate... constantly banging on about everyone else's gameplan when it is abundantly apparent that his is the biggest gameplan of them all...
Rubbish - Bea is not liked and she is a relitively attractive straight woman
Bea is not liked for other reasons. SHE is a bully yet that isn't splashed about with her name on dozens of threads. Nor is she the recipient of vile homophobic comments.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Showstopper
Rubbish - Bea is not liked and she is a relitively attractive straight woman
The difference is, Bea actually IS a controlling, manipulative, scheming bitch...
Yet Halfwit seems to like her.
Originally posted by Blueisthecolour
The whole point of the original post is rubbish in my view.
Lisa comes across as a very unpleasant, lazy , manipulative person.
That has nothing to do with homophobia, it's more like arseholepobia.
As showstopper said, Bea is a tall, blonde, straight woman and has many detractors.
Like many people, you refuse to see the homophobic comments made about Lisa, and therefore all homosexuals.
IsleOfWeather
07-08-2009, 11:26 AM
she is a man hater. jealous. a moaner. lazy.
other times she has some compassion.
But being a lesbo is not the reason most dislike her.
IsleOfWeather
07-08-2009, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by Blueisthecolour
The whole point of the original post is rubbish in my view.
Lisa comes across as a very unpleasant, lazy , manipulative person.
That has nothing to do with homophobia, it's more like arseholepobia.
As showstopper said, Bea is a tall, blonde, straight woman and has many detractors.
Like many people, you refuse to see the homophobic comments made about Lisa, and therefore all homosexuals.
get over the homophobia thing
Blueisthecolour
07-08-2009, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by jet
Bea is not liked for other reasons. SHE is a bully yet that isn't splashed about with her name on dozens of threads. Nor is she the recipient of vile homophobic comments.
You really have got to be having a laugh haven't you?
The number of Bea hating threads is incredible.
People have said they would like to see physical violence done to her.
I suggest you look at the threads a bit more closely, really.
Lisa is foul, her sexuality is irrelevant.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
get over the homophobia thing
It's not just about homophobia.
If Lisa was a "lipstick" lesbian who was sexually appealing to men, she would not suffer all the unfair and unjustified PERSONAL attacks that she does...
It's more about how shallow and deluded and hateful a society we are...
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by Blueisthecolour
The whole point of the original post is rubbish in my view.
Lisa comes across as a very unpleasant, lazy , manipulative person.
That has nothing to do with homophobia, it's more like arseholepobia.
As showstopper said, Bea is a tall, blonde, straight woman and has many detractors.
Like many people, you refuse to see the homophobic comments made about Lisa, and therefore all homosexuals.
get over the homophobia thing
No.
Blueisthecolour
07-08-2009, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
It's more about how shallow and deluded and hateful a person Lisa is...
True, true...
Shasown
07-08-2009, 11:38 AM
Would have made as much sense if the OP had said all the hate was because she was a brummie. Its a very D.S. like post
hennessy
07-08-2009, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
get over the homophobia thing
It's not just about homophobia.
If Lisa was a "lipstick" lesbian who was sexually appealing to men, she would not suffer all the unfair and unjustified PERSONAL attacks that she does...
It's more about how shallow and deluded and hateful a society we are...
Thread title ; Justified hatred or unacceptable homophobia?
sound's like it kinda does
NettoSuperstar!
07-08-2009, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
get over the homophobia thing
It's not just about homophobia.
If Lisa was a "lipstick" lesbian who was sexually appealing to men, she would not suffer all the unfair and unjustified PERSONAL attacks that she does...
It's more about how shallow and deluded and hateful a society we are...
No no its about how shallow deluded and hateful Lisa is:thumbs:
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
get over the homophobia thing
It's not just about homophobia.
If Lisa was a "lipstick" lesbian who was sexually appealing to men, she would not suffer all the unfair and unjustified PERSONAL attacks that she does...
It's more about how shallow and deluded and hateful a society we are...
No no its about how shallow deluded and hateful Lisa is:thumbs:
Tell me the old, old story. :sleep::sleep::sleep:
halfacrown
07-08-2009, 11:46 AM
When Freddie survived the first eviction Lisa rounded on him just after the result was announced and, completely out of the blue, told him not to get cocky and that all he'd done was survive a vote. They hardly knew each other, it was hardly her place to give warnings to anybody and her ungraciousness was shocking. She spent the next several weeks trying to isolate him (continually telling people not to talk to Freddie) and when she thought he was most vulnerable she set on him verbally. To Lisa’s dismay, Freddie continued to survive and when he was no longer isolated he turned the tables on her.
shash
07-08-2009, 11:47 AM
I don't think sexuality or homophobia have anything to do with it, Lisa undeniably bullied Freddie in an aggressive manner, and if it had been another person, Marcus for example, behaving like this would have instantly been called into the diary room for a severe reprimand. It is not about who is stronger but who is being manipulative and trying to undermine another. She definitely did this, she cannot argue with him intellectually so shouts and becomes aggressive.
I don't care remotely about her sexuality, I just know I don't like the character she is in the house. She seems to have taken on the role of house moral guardian purely by being the eldest female. She is so so wrong for that role.
ange7
07-08-2009, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
get over the homophobia thing
It's not just about homophobia.
If Lisa was a "lipstick" lesbian who was sexually appealing to men, she would not suffer all the unfair and unjustified PERSONAL attacks that she does...
It's more about how shallow and deluded and hateful a society we are...
No no its about how shallow deluded and hateful Lisa is:thumbs:
Tell me the old, old story. :sleep::sleep::sleep:
lol ....old or not it's still true. Facts don't have a use by date jet.
hennessy
07-08-2009, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by halfacrown
When Freddie survived the first eviction Lisa rounded on him just after the result was announced and, completely out of the blue, told him not to get cocky and that all he'd done was survive a vote. They hardly knew each other, it was hardly her place to give warnings to anybody and her ungraciousness was shocking. She spent the next several weeks trying to isolate him (continually telling people not to talk to Freddie) and when she thought he was most vulnerable she set on him verbally. To Lisa’s dismay, Freddie continued to survive and when he was no longer isolated he turned the tables on her.
:hello::hello::hello::hello::hello::hello::hello:
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
No no its about how shallow deluded and hateful Lisa is:thumbs:
Do you honestly believe Lisa is a bigger bitch than Bea or Noirin?
If so, why ?
Because of her actions or because of the way she looks?
And simply because someone gets involved arguments does not automatically make them a bully or aggressive...
NettoSuperstar!
07-08-2009, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by halfacrown
When Freddie survived the first eviction Lisa rounded on him just after the result was announced and, completely out of the blue, told him not to get cocky and that all he'd done was survive a vote. They hardly knew each other, it was hardly her place to give warnings to anybody and her ungraciousness was shocking. She spent the next several weeks trying to isolate him (continually telling people not to talk to Freddie) and when she thought he was most vulnerable she set on him verbally. To Lisa’s dismay, Freddie continued to survive and when he was no longer isolated he turned the tables on her.
quite right and the very first week she shouted him down when he was trying to cheer people up when Sophia went. I knew from that moment she was compeletely up herself, domineering and out to pick on the weak ones
NettoSuperstar!
07-08-2009, 11:48 AM
See above
Stardoll
07-08-2009, 11:52 AM
Homophobia? I think you are probably the only person here who has taken sexuality into account at all -- not even (the majority of) the people that dislike Lisa really care about her sexuality or how it affects her appaearence or stereotypically, etc., including me.
I do believe she is a bully. Bullying is defined as persistent attempts to emotionally or physically harm somebody else. This is what Lisa did; she tried to down Freddie's social status by bitching about him behind his back to his and her friends, got in his face and became extremely aggressive during arguments. That is the sign of a bully -- not superiority or strength in ANY way.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by halfacrown
When Freddie survived the first eviction Lisa rounded on him just after the result was announced and, completely out of the blue, told him not to get cocky and that all he'd done was survive a vote. They hardly knew each other, it was hardly her place to give warnings to anybody and her ungraciousness was shocking. She spent the next several weeks trying to isolate him (continually telling people not to talk to Freddie) and when she thought he was most vulnerable she set on him verbally. To Lisa’s dismay, Freddie continued to survive and when he was no longer isolated he turned the tables on her.
Telling someone not to get cocky is not bullying.
Halfwit clearly is a cocky character.
No-one likes cocky, boastful people.
Lisa was trying to bring him down to Earth and make sure that his head didn't get too big. She failed miserably.
He has become unbearable. Over confident and cocky.
Traditionally, the kind of person BB viewers despise with a passion.
Yet because he is arch nemesis of the unattractive, rather unintelligent and communicationally challenged, lesbian Lisa he garners support amongst the homophobic.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Stardoll
This is what Lisa did; she tried to down Freddie's social status by bitching about him behind his back to his and her friends, got in his face and became extremely aggressive during arguments. That is the sign of a bully -- not superiority or strength in ANY way.
In other words, exactly what Halfwit has done on many ocassions. The only difference being Halfwit has a far superior level of education and can articulate himself without appearing aggressive...
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
get over the homophobia thing
It's not just about homophobia.
If Lisa was a "lipstick" lesbian who was sexually appealing to men, she would not suffer all the unfair and unjustified PERSONAL attacks that she does...
It's more about how shallow and deluded and hateful a society we are...
No no its about how shallow deluded and hateful Lisa is:thumbs:
Tell me the old, old story. :sleep::sleep::sleep:
lol ....old or not it's still true. Facts don't have a use by date jet.
Do lies?
shash
07-08-2009, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by halfacrown
When Freddie survived the first eviction Lisa rounded on him just after the result was announced and, completely out of the blue, told him not to get cocky and that all he'd done was survive a vote. They hardly knew each other, it was hardly her place to give warnings to anybody and her ungraciousness was shocking. She spent the next several weeks trying to isolate him (continually telling people not to talk to Freddie) and when she thought he was most vulnerable she set on him verbally. To Lisa’s dismay, Freddie continued to survive and when he was no longer isolated he turned the tables on her.
Telling someone not to get cocky is not bullying.
Halfwit clearly is a cocky character.
No-one likes cocky, boastful people.
Lisa was trying to bring him down to Earth and make sure that his head didn't get too big. She failed miserably.
He has become unbearable. Over confident and cocky.
Traditionally, the kind of person BB viewers despise with a passion.
Yet because he is arch nemesis of the unattractive, rather unintelligent and communicationally challenged, lesbian Lisa he garners support amongst the homophobic.
In earlier arguments Lisa was aggressive, there is no two ways about it. She was inches from his face and shouting at him that he was an a***hole. It was in the behaviour. The earlier poster was spot on, sexuality and homophobia do not remotely come into this (anyway, Freddie is bi) but Lisa was trying to destroy his social status, with some success at the time. They just don't like each other, and Lisa is forever trying to turn people against him. She was slagging him off to David this week, who to his huge credit, completely ignored her and said "I've got bags under my eyes again" :smile: Even he can see what she's doing now.
I will not defend Freddie for how he behaved this week, he was out of order. But Lisa has been in the past too, more than once. Let's not make a connection with homophobia that does not exist.
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
No no its about how shallow deluded and hateful Lisa is:thumbs:
Do you honestly believe Lisa is a bigger bitch than Bea or Noirin?
If so, why ?
Because of her actions or because of the way she looks?
And simply because someone gets involved arguments does not automatically make them a bully or aggressive...
EXACTLY. They can't see that though, because they go by appearances.
halfacrown
07-08-2009, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by halfacrown
When Freddie survived the first eviction Lisa rounded on him just after the result was announced and, completely out of the blue, told him not to get cocky and that all he'd done was survive a vote. They hardly knew each other, it was hardly her place to give warnings to anybody and her ungraciousness was shocking. She spent the next several weeks trying to isolate him (continually telling people not to talk to Freddie) and when she thought he was most vulnerable she set on him verbally. To Lisa’s dismay, Freddie continued to survive and when he was no longer isolated he turned the tables on her.
Telling someone not to get cocky is not bullying.
Halfwit clearly is a cocky character.
No-one likes cocky, boastful people.
Lisa was trying to bring him down to Earth and make sure that his head didn't get too big. She failed miserably.
He has become unbearable. Over confident and cocky.
Traditionally, the kind of person BB viewers despise with a passion.
Yet because he is arch nemesis of the unattractive, rather unintelligent and communicationally challenged, lesbian Lisa he garners support amongst the homophobic.
If you don't like Freddie then fine - it's your opinion. However, I believe that any reasonable person could see that Lisa was extremely unpleasant and hateful. Maybe, like her, you are seeing something in Freddie that simply isn't there.
Incidentally, I don't think Lisa's lesbianism has any connection with her behaviour. Why she has such a chip on her shoulder is anybodies guess.
Speedy
07-08-2009, 12:19 PM
Freddy has said he is Bi-sexual so this whole homophobic BS is mute.
Not the mention the OP has said some pretty horrific things about Lisa yet apparently trying to defend her? :shrug:
GO Freddy, Lisa is a biatch! :cheer2:
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by shash
Lisa is forever trying to turn people against him. She was slagging him off to David this week, who to his huge credit, completely ignored her and said "I've got bags under my eyes again" :smile: Even he can see what she's doing now.
Halfwit is CONSTANTLY bitching about Lisa (behind her back) to ANYONE who will listen.
Why is his bitching and plotting allowed?
Yet Lisa's is not.
Double standards?
Originally posted by shash
I will not defend Freddie for how he behaved this week, he was out of order.
We agree on that.
But it IS homophobia.
Butch dyke homophobia.
Let's not pretend it's not. Because it is.
hennessy
07-08-2009, 12:21 PM
just don't respond to this troll
this was her 1st post
It was a darn good, and true, first post then.
Stardoll
07-08-2009, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by Stardoll
This is what Lisa did; she tried to down Freddie's social status by bitching about him behind his back to his and her friends, got in his face and became extremely aggressive during arguments. That is the sign of a bully -- not superiority or strength in ANY way.
In other words, exactly what Halfwit has done on many ocassions. The only difference being Halfwit has a far superior level of education and can articulate himself without appearing aggressive...
Freddie tried to out David on a single occassion, not multiple occassions. He is intelligent and thoughtful enough not to stoop to Lisa's level by, as you put it, "appearing" aggressive. Aggression is a big part of bullying. He's not a bully.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Ghostface77
just don't respond to this troll
this was her 1st post
You mean ignore me.
Because I have valid points?
hennessy
07-08-2009, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by Ghostface77
just don't respond to this troll
this was her 1st post
You mean ignore me.
Because I have valid points?
Valid point?
You only have ONE person supporting your claim and his creditials are hardly glowing.
Go away and get over being dumped
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Stardoll
Freddie tried to out David on a single occassion, not multiple occassions. He is intelligent and thoughtful enough not to stoop to Lisa's level by, as you put it, "appearing" aggressive. Aggression is a big part of bullying. He's not a bully.
Halfwit has maintained a "hate campaign" against Lisa since their very first argument. Halfwit is a clever guy and has a tendency to patronize everyone around him, Lisa in particular. She is perhaps intimidated by that.
But he seems to be allowed a "free pass" when being vile about her. Which he is, frequently.
andyman
07-08-2009, 12:38 PM
IP check please on h3llb1tch
The member could be Ahmed/Jet.
Anyway the OP is just twisted BS to try and save Lisa, also pushing others to hate Freddie..
BS poor tactics that always happen at these times, just twisted BS by few members that cherry pick what they want, twist it and throw the truth out of the window.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Ghostface77
Valid point?
You only have ONE person supporting your claim and his creditials are hardly glowing.
Go away and get over being dumped
Whatever, mate. Whatever.
I do not support Halfwit.
I do not support Lisa.
But I do believe each side should be treated FAIRLY.
And hated for valid reasons.
If you want to hate Lisa because she is not particularly attractive or articulate fine. Do so. At least admit that's WHY you HATE her.
But don't make up **** about her being a manipulative, scheming, bullying bitch. She's not clever or scary enough to be any of those things...
Whereas, Bea is!
PooBay
07-08-2009, 12:43 PM
Carpet muncher or not - the hate is justified. She's a vile excuse for a human being.
BitterFruit
07-08-2009, 12:43 PM
a truly dissapointing topic post ....
i think Lisa has been, if not a bully, a mean-spirited and negative person at the very least.
This has been the fundamental reason she has been disliked.......in response, to this dislike about her character, some people have used "stereotypical" insults ...
but mainly the issue has been her as unlikeable person and not her sexuality.
you have failed to see this ...
I find the draconian, humourless and lazy playing of the "phobic" card undermines many causes..since it provokes people rather than eliciting their understanding
....i've bored myself now:sad:
HayleyLeigh
07-08-2009, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
I have watched BB10 from day 1 and although I have witnessed Lisa and Halfwit arguing, I'm not sure how this falls into the category of Lisa bullying.
Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying."
Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other.
Halfwit does not strike me as the "victim" type. He is more than capable of defending himself.
Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype. If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?
I somehow doubt it. If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated.
As to Lisa "controlling" people in the house. What utter nonsense, born more from homophobic ignorance than any sound basis in fact or reason.
If anyone in the house has been bullied it has been David. He has been honest and genuine and has had nothing but untrue, unsubstantiated slander slung against him. Yet he has managed to defend himself calmly and with grace.
Whoever supports Halfwit must have a very warped and twisted mindset. He is the least genuine housemate... constantly banging on about everyone else's gameplan when it is abundantly apparent that his is the biggest gameplan of them all...
GREAT POST! :thumbs:
:thumbs::thumbs2::cheer2:
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by andyman
IP check please on h3llb1tch
The member could be Ahmed/Jet.
Anyway the OP is just twisted BS to try and save Lisa, also pushing others to hate Freddie..
BS poor tactics that always happen at these times, just twisted BS by few members that cherry pick what they want, twist it and throw the truth out of the window.
So how did that IP check work out for you then?
I cherry pick?
That's rich!
When it comes to Halfwit, I think people are wearing rose tinted glasses...
shash
07-08-2009, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
[quote]Originally posted by Ghostface77
But don't make up **** about her being a manipulative, scheming, bullying bitch. She's not clever or scary enough to be any of those things...
Whereas, Bea is!
You need to be clever to be a bully?? :puzzled: I give up ... :rolleyes:
hennessy
07-08-2009, 12:50 PM
it's dennis ffs
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by shash
You need to be clever to be a bully?? :puzzled: I give up ... :rolleyes:
No, you need to be clever to scheme and manipulate.
Which is why Halfwit and Bea are so good at it...
Originally posted by andyman
IP check please on h3llb1tch
The member could be Ahmed/Jet.
Anyway the OP is just twisted BS to try and save Lisa, also pushing others to hate Freddie..
BS poor tactics that always happen at these times, just twisted BS by few members that cherry pick what they want, twist it and throw the truth out of the window.
No, not me. Why don't you ask an admin. And I'm not Ahmed either. Such paranoia. :sleep:
abrittan
07-08-2009, 01:09 PM
She's an odious, totally unlikeable person. Her being a lesbian is an irrelevance. Just make sure she's out tonight.:xyxwave:
Originally posted by abrittan
She's an odious, totally unlikeable person. Her being a lesbian is an irrelevance. Just make sure she's out tonight.:xyxwave:
Voting to keep HER IN :thumbs2::thumbs2::thumbs2:
Happigail
07-08-2009, 01:12 PM
I don't care about the rest, I just enjoy watching the programme, I don't get wrapped up in all the nonsense but when reading your post one thing bugged me:
"Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other."
Tosh. A strong person is still being bullied if they get put down a lot. If they cope with it, well thats great, but I don't think its fair to take away what it is - Bullying.
I am talking all round here, not in context of BB.
Happigail
07-08-2009, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by BitterFruit
a truly dissapointing topic post ....
i think Lisa has been, if not a bully, a mean-spirited and negative person at the very least.
This has been the fundamental reason she has been disliked.......in response, to this dislike about her character, some people have used "stereotypical" insults ...
but mainly the issue has been her as unlikeable person and not her sexuality.
you have failed to see this ...
I find the draconian, humourless and lazy playing of the "phobic" card undermines many causes..since it provokes people rather than eliciting their understanding
....i've bored myself now:sad:
Well you didn't bore me. Very well put.
GypsyGoth
07-08-2009, 01:35 PM
There is no doubt that Lisa is disliked because she is a butch lesbian. Frequently you'll find comments amongst the anti-Lisa threads.
Young guys on this forum seem particularly angry towards her. But it isn't just boys, I've noticed even mothers using Lisa's sexuality as an insult when making a post about her.
Having said that there are other factors. She was perceived as the ring leader in an alliance who joined because of a mutual dislike to Freddy.
So she became a villain, and BB villains get loads of abuse. Not because they are one thing or another (all though that is used against them), but because of them simply being the bad guy or girl in the show.
If Lisa was an attractive heterosexual, would she be any more or less hated; who knows.
Just being a strong female in there seems to inspire some hatred from the outside.
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
I have watched BB10 from day 1 and although I have witnessed Lisa and Halfwit arguing, I'm not sure how this falls into the category of Lisa bullying.
Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying."
Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other.
Halfwit does not strike me as the "victim" type. He is more than capable of defending himself.
Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype. If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?
I somehow doubt it. If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated.
As to Lisa "controlling" people in the house. What utter nonsense, born more from homophobic ignorance than any sound basis in fact or reason.
If anyone in the house has been bullied it has been David. He has been honest and genuine and has had nothing but untrue, unsubstantiated slander slung against him. Yet he has managed to defend himself calmly and with grace.
Whoever supports Halfwit must have a very warped and twisted mindset. He is the least genuine housemate... constantly banging on about everyone else's gameplan when it is abundantly apparent that his is the biggest gameplan of them all...
There are a number of errors in the original post in this thread, quoted above. Let's go through them one by one:
1. "Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying.""
She has never liked him and she has made it plain. However, she continually denies, both to Halfwit himself and to others, that she has ever said anything like that about him. Just the other day at the bus stop she told David she had never said anything bad about Halfwit, an outright lie if ever there was one. Hardly an example of "honesty".
And, of course, there is no contradiction in the notion that one's behaviour can be both the honest expression of one's opinion of a person and be an example of bullying. So there is a straightforward problem with your sentence in that respect.
2. "Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other."
Not always. For a person may enlist the help of others, cronies if you will, to perpetrate the episode of bullying. This is the kind of bullying most common in the schoolyard of course. Simple "ganging up". And it is what we saw in the House during the first few weeks. Further, as Lisa's allies were evicted her bullying of Halfwit diminished to zero, supporting my idea.
3. "Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype."
Here you are only partly incorrect. Lisa certainly has acted in an aggressive and intimidating manner. The video evidence of this is widely available and was discussed in great detail on this forum when it occurred.
The point about the stereotype of the "man-hating lesbian" has some merit. Unfortunately, there are homophobic idiots who will try to make use of such unpleasant stereotypes and use them as a stick to beat a person with (metaphorically). I deplore such behaviour. But that does not mean that the aggressive and intimidating behaviour referred to above did not occur. It did. It is just that right-thinking people should not be employing nasty homophobic stereotypes in order to frame such behaviour. They should just call that initimidating and aggressive behaviour exactly as it is.
4. "If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?"
Actually, yes. In fact, Kris, Karly and even Charlie and Sophie have come in for similar criticisms for their involvement in the very same incidents. This is, by itself, a direct refutation of your implication.
5. "If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated."
There is an extraordinarily powerful rebuttal to this particular point: Bea. Attractive, straight Bea arouses similar feelings to Lisa in significant numbers of people, to such a degree that she is the favourite to be evicted this evening. I do not want to make a judgement here as to whether Bea's behaviour has been better, the same or worse than Lisa's behaviour. I don't need to. It suffices for my point that many people think it is as bad and despise her for it. If not an outright refutation of your implication then this is very, very close to it.
Given the arguments above I should say that I conclude that there is next to nothing of merit in the original post in this thread. Even so, I will add the following:
Do homophobic feelings fuel the dislike of Lisa in some people? Yes.
Is homophobia the main or significant factor in the general negative feeling about her? No.
That is all.
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by karezza
She is a nasty, vile, moronic bully.:yuk:
You got the gist of that vicious cow down to a T.
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there. And that's just ONE Lisa thread.
Originally posted by jet
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there.
I think it would be rather foolish to deny that there is any prejudice on this forum, since it is out in the open. But the existence of such prejudice is certainly not enough to establish the OP's many claims about attitudes to Lisa, as I have pointed out at length in my post above.
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 02:09 PM
Well, Lisa is rough-looking, she's ugly as hell and she's a lesbian...that's homophobic in your book? Stating factual observations is now homophobic? Only a moron would think like that.
AhmedFan2004
07-08-2009, 02:10 PM
Not to do with homophobia, but just general unjustified derogatory remarks and hatred.
I found it funny how Halfwit has been on the dole, despite being a millionaire. Of course he had to disrespect many by calling it pocket money, whilst laughing about it to David.
It's also funny that despite having little education, she outfoxes and outsmarts educated douchebags like Freddie and Bea.
Lisa is just too good, she always wins the nominations battle, and always knows how to make friends and retain the balance of power.
Pooooor Freddie just needs BB to intervene every week, in order to fix it. :rolleyes:
shash
07-08-2009, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by BB22
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
I have watched BB10 from day 1 and although I have witnessed Lisa and Halfwit arguing, I'm not sure how this falls into the category of Lisa bullying.
Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying."
Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other.
Halfwit does not strike me as the "victim" type. He is more than capable of defending himself.
Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype. If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?
I somehow doubt it. If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated.
As to Lisa "controlling" people in the house. What utter nonsense, born more from homophobic ignorance than any sound basis in fact or reason.
If anyone in the house has been bullied it has been David. He has been honest and genuine and has had nothing but untrue, unsubstantiated slander slung against him. Yet he has managed to defend himself calmly and with grace.
Whoever supports Halfwit must have a very warped and twisted mindset. He is the least genuine housemate... constantly banging on about everyone else's gameplan when it is abundantly apparent that his is the biggest gameplan of them all...
There are a number of errors in the original post in this thread, quoted above. Let's go through them one by one:
1. "Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying.""
She has never liked him and she has made it plain. However, she continually denies, both to Halfwit himself and to others, that she has ever said anything like that about him. Just the other day at the bus stop she told David she had never said anything bad about Halfwit, an outright lie if ever there was one. Hardly an example of "honesty".
And, of course, there is no contradiction in the notion that one's behaviour can be both the honest expression of one's opinion of a person and be an example of bullying. So there is a straightforward problem with your sentence in that respect.
2. "Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other."
Not always. For a person may enlist the help of others, cronies if you will, to perpetrate the episode of bullying. This is the kind of bullying most common in the schoolyard of course. Simple "ganging up". And it is what we saw in the House during the first few weeks. Further, as Lisa's allies were evicted her bullying of Halfwit diminished to zero, supporting my idea.
3. "Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype."
Here you are only partly incorrect. Lisa certainly has acted in an aggressive and intimidating manner. The video evidence of this is widely available and was discussed in great detail on this forum when it occurred.
The point about the stereotype of the "man-hating lesbian" has some merit. Unfortunately, there are homophobic idiots who will try to make use of such unpleasant stereotypes and use them as a stick to beat a person with (metaphorically). I deplore such behaviour. But that does not mean that the aggressive and intimidating behaviour referred to above did not occur. It did. It is just that right-thinking people should not be employing nasty homophobic stereotypes in order to frame such behaviour. They should just call that initimidating and aggressive behaviour exactly as it is.
4. "If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?"
Actually, yes. In fact, Kris, Karly and even Charlie and Sophie have come in for similar criticisms for their involvement in the very same incidents. This is, by itself, a direct refutation of your implication.
5. "If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated."
There is an extraordinarily powerful rebuttal to this particular point: Bea. Attractive, straight Bea arouses similar feelings to Lisa in significant numbers of people, to such a degree that she is the favourite to be evicted this evening. I do not want to make a judgement here as to whether Bea's behaviour has been better, the same or worse than Lisa's behaviour. I don't need to. It suffices for my point that many people think it is as bad and despise her for it. If not an outright refutation of your implication then this is very, very close to it.
Given the arguments above I should say that I conclude that there is next to nothing of merit in the original post in this thread. Even so, I will add the following:
Do homophobic feelings fuel the dislike of Lisa in some people? Yes.
Is homophobia the main or significant factor in the general negative feeling about her? No.
That is all.
Very calm, reasoned, intelligent and articulate post. :thumbs: Especially good points re. Bea. Nothing more needs to be said on the matter
ange7
07-08-2009, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by jet
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there.
lol no its not.
It reads... of all lesbians SHE is the ugliest. It doesn't imply all lesbians are ugly. Shame on you for projecting your own homophobic hate on others. mahahah
The idea that people dislike Lisa BECAUSE she is gay is ridiculous. She's hated because she's a nasty back stabbing manipulator that spreads vile hatred with every word she utters.
Thank you very much, shash.
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Well, Lisa is rough-looking, she's ugly as hell and she's a lesbian...that's homophobic in your book? Stating factual observations is now homophobic? Only a moron would think like that.
I said READ THE THREAD. I did not say the title was homophobic (thought it IS cruel, imo). Only a moron would would make the mistake you did.
luminoussun
07-08-2009, 02:12 PM
My sister is a lesbian and she hates lisa more then i do so maybe she is homophobic??
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by jet
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there.
lol no its not.
It reads... of all lesbians SHE is the ugliest. It doesn't imply all lesbians are ugly. Shame on you for projecting your own homophobic hate on others. mahahah
The idea that people dislike Lisa BECAUSE she is gay is ridiculous. She's hated because she's a nasty back stabbing manipulator that spreads vile hatred with every word she utters.
I asked that people READ THE THREAD - I was not commenting on the title itself.....
Unbelievable, how some people can't comprehend a simple sentence. *sigh*
AhmedFan2004
07-08-2009, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by luminoussun
My sister is a lesbian and she hates lisa more then i do so maybe she is homophobic??
Just Lisaphobic perhaps. :tongue:
ange7
07-08-2009, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by jet
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there.
lol no its not.
It reads... of all lesbians SHE is the ugliest. It doesn't imply all lesbians are ugly. Shame on you for projecting your own homophobic hate on others. mahahah
The idea that people dislike Lisa BECAUSE she is gay is ridiculous. She's hated because she's a nasty back stabbing manipulator that spreads vile hatred with every word she utters.
I asked that people READ THE THREAD - I was not commenting on the title itself.....
Unbelievable, how some people can't comprehend a simple sentence. *sigh*
lol because we're sooooo stupid and YOUR soooo clever hehehe lol@*sigh*
Originally posted by luminoussun
My sister is a lesbian and she hates lisa more then i do so maybe she is homophobic??
Does she make vile homophobic comments about her and other homosexuals? If not, then no.
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by jet
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there. And that's just ONE Lisa thread.
Actually, a moron is someone who thinks that just because people hate Lisa and her display of her sexuality (like claiming she can turn any woman gay) that it automatically extends into homophobia.
Moron.
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by jet
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there.
lol no its not.
It reads... of all lesbians SHE is the ugliest. It doesn't imply all lesbians are ugly. Shame on you for projecting your own homophobic hate on others. mahahah
The idea that people dislike Lisa BECAUSE she is gay is ridiculous. She's hated because she's a nasty back stabbing manipulator that spreads vile hatred with every word she utters.
I asked that people READ THE THREAD - I was not commenting on the title itself.....
Unbelievable, how some people can't comprehend a simple sentence. *sigh*
lol because we're sooooo stupid and YOUR soooo clever hehehe lol@*sigh*
Seems like it. :tongue:
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there. And that's just ONE Lisa thread.
Actually, a moron is someone who thinks that just because people hate Lisa and her display of her sexuality (like claiming she can turn any woman gay) that it automatically extends into homophobia.
Moron.
Where did I say that? Nowhere. I am well aware that people can hate Lisa and NOT because of her sexuality. I am also well aware that some people hate her, or hate her more than they otherwise would, BECAUSE of her sexuality. There is proof of that in many threads on this forum.
ange7
07-08-2009, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by jet
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there.
lol no its not.
It reads... of all lesbians SHE is the ugliest. It doesn't imply all lesbians are ugly. Shame on you for projecting your own homophobic hate on others. mahahah
The idea that people dislike Lisa BECAUSE she is gay is ridiculous. She's hated because she's a nasty back stabbing manipulator that spreads vile hatred with every word she utters.
I asked that people READ THE THREAD - I was not commenting on the title itself.....
Unbelievable, how some people can't comprehend a simple sentence. *sigh*
lol because we're sooooo stupid and YOUR soooo clever hehehe lol@*sigh*
Seems like it. :tongue:
http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/8/1/8/5/12675818.jpg
PooBay
07-08-2009, 02:39 PM
*****aphobia?
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Well, Lisa is rough-looking, she's ugly as hell and she's a lesbian...that's homophobic in your book?
HATING her for THAT REASON is HOMOPHOBIC.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by luminoussun
My sister is a lesbian and she hates lisa more then i do so maybe she is homophobic??
Is your sister butch?
davidalbert
07-08-2009, 02:49 PM
Oh dear..... bringing in the homophobic card is a desperate meaure by desperate people....I'm a 53 year old gay man, never kissed or been with a woman, but I think Lisa is trapped in a LESBIAN CLONE TIMEWARP.......please those piercings!! so outmoded.........the Mohican she came in with....so outmoded ...........she says she has had 55 mainly striaght women...............all that counting of one's conquests, so desperate and outmoded!..........she would be much nicer if she could accept her femininity....please may she go tonight!
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by luminoussun
My sister is a lesbian and she hates lisa more then i do so maybe she is homophobic??
Is your sister butch?
That is a very strange comment under the circumstances.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by davidalbert
Oh dear..... bringing in the homophobic card is a desperate meaure by desperate people....I'm a 53 year old gay man, never kissed or been with a woman, but I think Lisa is trapped in a LESBIAN CLONE TIMEWARP.......please those piercings!! so outmoded.........the Mohican she came in with....so outmoded ...........she says she has had 55 mainly striaght women...............all that counting of one's conquests, so desperate and outmoded!..........she would be much nicer if she could accept her femininity....please may she go tonight!
So just because she does not conform to the social norms of attractiveness, it is acceptable to HATE her for that reason?
Butch lesbians are discriminated against heavily by society.
I suspect Lisa has experienced more bullying in her lifetime than clueless Halfwit can ever imagine.
Just because someone is gay does not stop them from being homophobic towards others in their community. Many gay men hate butch lesbians...
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there. And that's just ONE Lisa thread.
Actually, a moron is someone who thinks that just because people hate Lisa and her display of her sexuality (like claiming she can turn any woman gay) that it automatically extends into homophobia.
Moron.
Where did I say that? Nowhere. I am well aware that people can hate Lisa and NOT because of her sexuality. I am also well aware that some people hate her, or hate her more than they otherwise would, BECAUSE of her sexuality. There is proof of that in many threads on this forum.
It's in BOLD as part of your statement.
Go right ahead, twist and contort yourself defending making such an idiotic generalization about the people who hate Lisa. You just dig deeper your own grave.
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Well, Lisa is rough-looking, she's ugly as hell and she's a lesbian...that's homophobic in your book?
HATING her for THAT REASON is HOMOPHOBIC.
Er, actually, I despise that cow for so many other reasons. I wrote those as an observation about her. Stop throwing the homophobia card around. Desperation in your defense of that slug Lisa makes you do that.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by BB22
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by luminoussun
My sister is a lesbian and she hates lisa more then i do so maybe she is homophobic??
Is your sister butch?
That is a very strange comment under the circumstances.
No, it's not.
Many lipstick lesbians hate butch lesbians because butch lesbians are associated with the "aggressive, man hating" stereotype.
A stereotype lipstick lesbians do not want to be associated with. They think the "butches" give them a bad name. It's a lesbian class system with the butches at the bottom.
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by BB22
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by luminoussun
My sister is a lesbian and she hates lisa more then i do so maybe she is homophobic??
Is your sister butch?
That is a very strange comment under the circumstances.
No, it's not.
Many lipstick lesbians hate butch lesbians because butch lesbians are associated with the "aggressive, man hating" stereotype.
A stereotype lipstick lesbians do not want to be associated with. They think the "butches" give them a bad name. It's a lesbian class system with the butches at the bottom.
I'll take your word for it.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Well, Lisa is rough-looking, she's ugly as hell and she's a lesbian...that's homophobic in your book?
HATING her for THAT REASON is HOMOPHOBIC.
Er, actually, I despise that cow for so many other reasons. I wrote those as an observation about her. Stop throwing the homophobia card around. Desperation in your defense of that slug Lisa makes you do that.
But let's face it.
Rough-looking, ugly as hell and lesbian would be at the TOP of your list of reasons to hate her.
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 03:11 PM
And I will say it again: Lisa is a rough-looking, ugly as hell lesbian.
If you think that's a homophobic statement without knowing whether I am gay or straight clearly shows you to be a fool. I suppose any observation made about any gay person now can be considered as homophobic by these pathetic Lisa defenders.
Desperation is in the air for the Lisa fans because they know in their twisted little hearts that Lisa is disliked by the public and has a good chance of getting evicted tonight.
This thread has completely deteriorated. I mean the original post has been torn to pieces and basically refuted and now the argument is just about ridiculous fragments mingled with a series of accusations about other forum members.
Shaun
07-08-2009, 03:14 PM
I hate her for being a loudmouth, simple, bullying moron, nothing to do with her sexuality.
hennessy
07-08-2009, 03:16 PM
are you a butch lesbian by any chance?
I've reviewed the above sentence and can't see anything homophobic about it
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Well, Lisa is rough-looking, she's ugly as hell and she's a lesbian...that's homophobic in your book?
HATING her for THAT REASON is HOMOPHOBIC.
Er, actually, I despise that cow for so many other reasons. I wrote those as an observation about her. Stop throwing the homophobia card around. Desperation in your defense of that slug Lisa makes you do that.
But let's face it.
Rough-looking, ugly as hell and lesbian would be at the TOP of your list of reasons to hate her.
No. Actually, I despise her most for the bully that she was to Freddie in the first several weeks of the show.
You need to stop projecting your own biases onto other people. It is rather unbecoming of you.
GypsyGoth
07-08-2009, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by BB22
This thread has completely deteriorated. I mean the original post has been torn to pieces and basically refuted and now the argument is just about ridiculous fragments mingled with a series of accusations about other forum members.
Sadly I agree.
But the provocative nature of the thread is asking people who hate Lisa to look at their motives.
It's expected that people will try to prove their dislike isn't because of deep rooted prejudices.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by virtuoso88
And I will say it again: Lisa is a rough-looking, ugly as hell lesbian.
If you think that's a homophobic statement without knowing whether I am gay or straight clearly shows you to be a fool.
I don't need to know your sexual orientation.
Gay people can hate other gay people.
When that hatred is based on personal characteristics, eg. butchness then that is still homophobia.
fallentree
07-08-2009, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
I have watched BB10 from day 1 and although I have witnessed Lisa and Halfwit arguing, I'm not sure how this falls into the category of Lisa bullying.
Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying."
Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other.
Halfwit does not strike me as the "victim" type. He is more than capable of defending himself.
Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype. If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?
I somehow doubt it. If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated.
As to Lisa "controlling" people in the house. What utter nonsense, born more from homophobic ignorance than any sound basis in fact or reason.
If anyone in the house has been bullied it has been David. He has been honest and genuine and has had nothing but untrue, unsubstantiated slander slung against him. Yet he has managed to defend himself calmly and with grace.
Whoever supports Halfwit must have a very warped and twisted mindset. He is the least genuine housemate... constantly banging on about everyone else's gameplan when it is abundantly apparent that his is the biggest gameplan of them all...
i see the lisa fans are getting desparate before that vile bully is released back to her slum
hennessy
07-08-2009, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by virtuoso88
And I will say it again: Lisa is a rough-looking, ugly as hell lesbian.
If you think that's a homophobic statement without knowing whether I am gay or straight clearly shows you to be a fool.
I don't need to know your sexual orientation.
Gay people can hate other gay people.
When that hatred is based on personal characteristics, eg. butchness then that is still homophobia.
no that's physiognomy
and I suspect you to be fugly:banana:
hennessy
07-08-2009, 03:29 PM
would a homophobic gay person avoid mirrors?
GypsyGoth
07-08-2009, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Ghostface77
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by virtuoso88
And I will say it again: Lisa is a rough-looking, ugly as hell lesbian.
If you think that's a homophobic statement without knowing whether I am gay or straight clearly shows you to be a fool.
I don't need to know your sexual orientation.
Gay people can hate other gay people.
When that hatred is based on personal characteristics, eg. butchness then that is still homophobia.
no that's physiognomy
and I suspect you to be fugly:banana:
You made a good point but then ruin it by name calling.:sad:
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by Ghostface77
no that's physiognomy
and I suspect you to be fugly:banana:
I suspect you to be a halfwit. Most likely a no-wit. But hey, I'm too polite to say it out loud.
hennessy
07-08-2009, 03:33 PM
I'm sorry GypsyGoth but she is obviously trolling and I've begun not to care.
It's probably Dennis
fallentree
07-08-2009, 03:33 PM
lisa is an animal
James
07-08-2009, 03:34 PM
No personal insults, stay on-topic.
munky
07-08-2009, 03:35 PM
100% Justified hatred.
The sexuality card is like playing the race card "You don't like her because she is gay". Is that the best defence you can come up with? Why do you not state known facts about Lisa's personality or character that would prove the dislike wrong? Seen any altruistic acts from Lisa? I can't htink of any. In a sinking ship, she would be standing on your shoulders!
I don't like Lisa because she is a vile, manipulative, egocentric, ignorant, aggressive, introverted moron. The fact she is a lesbian has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Get over it. People hate Lisa because she is a troll.
hennessy
07-08-2009, 03:36 PM
ok I'm sorry I don't suspect you to be fugly
The_Long_Run
07-08-2009, 03:38 PM
Hatred is NEVER justified (with possible exception of crimes against humanity, and questionable even then), and certainly not in the context of BB contestants.
GypsyGoth
07-08-2009, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Ghostface77
I'm sorry GypsyGoth but she is obviously trolling and I've begun not to care.
It's probably Dennis
I understand, but I don't think h3llb1tch is trolling.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by Ghostface77
I'm sorry GypsyGoth but she is obviously trolling and I've begun not to care.
It's probably Dennis
Who the ****** is Dennis?
Do you seriously think only 3 people have differing opinions to your own? And because their opinion is contrary to your hate fueled little rants, that they are trolls and should be ignored.
Grow up.
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by virtuoso88
And I will say it again: Lisa is a rough-looking, ugly as hell lesbian.
If you think that's a homophobic statement without knowing whether I am gay or straight clearly shows you to be a fool.
I don't need to know your sexual orientation.
Gay people can hate other gay people.
When that hatred is based on personal characteristics, eg. butchness then that is still homophobia.
Not to nitpick, but no, if I was gay and hating Lisa by calling her gay slurs, then that makes me a self-loathing gay. Homophobia is reserved for straight people who loathe gays.
But to get to the root of the point, I hate Lisa for the bully that she is. Calling her an ugly lesbian is a factual observation I am making. My observation. I think she's ugly and obviously a lesbian. Hence, she's an ugly lesbian, as far as I'm concerned. Do not tell me what my observations should be. Dragging the homophobia card then parading it around just shows your arguments in defending her to be weak. Try again.
The_Long_Run
07-08-2009, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by munky
100% Justified hatred.
The sexuality card is like playing the race card "You don't like her because she is gay". Is that the best defence you can come up with? Why do you not state known facts about Lisa's personality or character that would prove the dislike wrong? Seen any altruistic acts from Lisa? I can't htink of any. In a sinking ship, she would be standing on your shoulders!
I don't like Lisa because she is a vile, manipulative, egocentric, ignorant, aggressive, introverted moron. The fact she is a lesbian has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Get over it. People hate Lisa because she is a troll.
A). Hatred is NEVER justified (with possible exception of crimes against humanity, and questionable even then), and certainly not in the context of BB contestants
B). Lisa has consistently defended the underdog in the house. She has altruistically come to the defence of those who have difficulty defending themselves. Certain individuals have used their superior intellect to endeavour to cow and browbeat the less gifted individuals. Lisa has highlighted this and challenged it. SHE is not the bully!
Stardoll
07-08-2009, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by Stardoll
Freddie tried to out David on a single occassion, not multiple occassions. He is intelligent and thoughtful enough not to stoop to Lisa's level by, as you put it, "appearing" aggressive. Aggression is a big part of bullying. He's not a bully.
Halfwit has maintained a "hate campaign" against Lisa since their very first argument. Halfwit is a clever guy and has a tendency to patronize everyone around him, Lisa in particular. She is perhaps intimidated by that.
But he seems to be allowed a "free pass" when being vile about her. Which he is, frequently.
I completely disagree. Freddie has suspected that Lisa is plotting against him, and he was completely bang-on correct in making such an assumption. Most of the time he talked of her, he was speaking about how she was banging on about him all of the time and bitching about him. I also don't think Freddie is at all patronising.
I severely doubt Freddie's intending to "intimidate" anyone, and if he is then he must be pretty skilled to do it in such a cool, calm, collected manner. :rolleyes: And if Lisa's intimidated by that, then it's obvious where the fault lies.
sheephater
07-08-2009, 03:48 PM
I,ve watched every show and most of live feed and from day 1 she hated him because he is a rich toff...nothing more!!.....if you can,t see she is vile,lazy cow then get your glasses on!!!!!:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled:
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by munky
100% Justified hatred.
The sexuality card is like playing the race card "You don't like her because she is gay". Is that the best defence you can come up with? Why do you not state known facts about Lisa's personality or character that would prove the dislike wrong? Seen any altruistic acts from Lisa? I can't htink of any. In a sinking ship, she would be standing on your shoulders!
I don't like Lisa because she is a vile, manipulative, egocentric, ignorant, aggressive, introverted moron. The fact she is a lesbian has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Get over it. People hate Lisa because she is a troll.
A). Hatred is NEVER justified (with possible exception of crimes against humanity, and questionable even then), and certainly not in the context of BB contestants
B). Lisa has consistently defended the underdog in the house. She has altruistically come to the defence of those who have difficulty defending themselves. Certain individuals have used their superior intellect to endeavour to cow and browbeat the less gifted individuals. Lisa has highlighted this and challenged it. SHE is not the bully!
First of all, when people say they hate someone or something, more often than not, what they mean is they dislike that person or thing. So don't get your panties in a twist over semantics when you try to defend your oh-so-precious welfare cheat Lisa.
Secondly, I wouldn't call Sree to be a less gifted individual in the house. He is taking a masteral degree in a UK university. And yet, Lisa felt the need to coddle him and protect him. Do you seriously think in your deluded mind that she was doing it because she was being motherly? Get real! She needed Sree on her team because she wanted to have a huge clan of thugs that will outumber everyone else's and basically run rough-shod over the other housemates and have control over nominations. She is evidently a bully.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 04:15 PM
1. Lisa has not bitched WORSE than anyone else in the house. Halfwit has bitched far more, and with greater effect. He has vilified Lisa to all the new housemates and concocted a web of lies about how she is not genuine and how she has back stabbed.
Lisa has been many things but through it all, she has been GENUINE. She is not fake. If she doesn't like you, she will tell you.
Who has she back stabbed?
You can only back stab your friends. I don't remember her betraying any of her friends. Am I wrong?
2. Lisa is not a Jedi Master. She does not possess the ability to control the weak minded. Karly was a smart, strong willed young woman. Nobody controlled or manipulated her into disliking Halfwit. She disliked him because he actually IS a halfwit.
3. Lisa has not plotted or schemed. She has told people that she doesn't like Halfwit and Marcus. She is honest and up front about it. She doesn't pretend to dislike them because "they have a gameplan." She just doesn't like their personalities. In my book, that makes her a GOOD JUDGE OF CHARACTER. Not a schemer.
On the other hand, Bea has manipulated and schemed since getting into the house. She sooked up to Halfwit. Tried to make Marcus look bad but that backfired because Halfwit defended him. So, she swiftly moved on to making David look bad but that backfired too. David is not a bully and in trying to make him look like one, Bea made herself look bad (which she is.) She also tried to turn against Halfwit but now she is up for eviction, she is sleeping and cuddling up to him again.
I do not deny that Bea is hated.
But if this was a vote to evict, Lisa would definitely go, by a huge margin.
Not because Lisa is the bigger bitch but because she is a butch lesbian. People hate her mainly for that reason because clearly being a bullying, scheming, lying, manipulative (<----- Bea HAS done them all) bitch is not enough alone to get you booted out....
GypsyGoth
07-08-2009, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
1. Lisa has not bitched WORSE than anyone else in the house. Halfwit has bitched far more, and with greater effect. He has vilified Lisa to all the new housemates and concocted a web of lies about how she is not genuine and how she has back stabbed.
Lisa has been many things but through it all, she has been GENUINE. She is not fake. If she doesn't like you, she will tell you.
Who has she back stabbed?
You can only back stab your friends. I don't remember her betraying any of her friends. Am I wrong?
2. Lisa is not a Jedi Master. She does not possess the ability to control the weak minded. Karly was a smart, strong willed young woman. Nobody controlled or manipulated her into disliking Halfwit. She disliked him because he actually IS a halfwit.
3. Lisa has not plotted or schemed. She has told people that she doesn't like Halfwit and Marcus. She is honest and up front about it. She doesn't pretend to dislike them because "they have a gameplan." She just doesn't like their personalities. In my book, that makes her a GOOD JUDGE OF CHARACTER. Not a schemer.
On the other hand, Bea has manipulated and schemed since getting into the house. She sooked up to Halfwit. Tried to make Marcus look bad but that backfired because Halfwit defended him. So, she swiftly moved on to making David look bad but that backfired too. David is not a bully and in trying to make him look like one, Bea made herself look bad (which she is.) She also tried to turn against Halfwit but now she is up for eviction, she is sleeping and cuddling up to him again.
I do not deny that Bea is hated.
But if this was a vote to evict, Lisa would definitely go, by a huge margin.
Not because Lisa is the bigger bitch but because she is a butch lesbian. People hate her mainly for that reason because clearly being a bullying, scheming, lying, manipulative (<----- Bea HAS done them all) bitch is not enough alone to get you booted out....
:thumbs:
I completely agree that she has played the game very similar to others and hasn't been treated the same.
Another point I'd like to make is that when people claim that they are bringing up her lesbianism as a fact.
However when they don't do that to any other housemate.
No body exclaims; Get Marcus the ugly hetro out!
or
Get Sophie the heterosexual out!
This suggests to me that they are bringing up Lisa's sexuality for other reasons.
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there. And that's just ONE Lisa thread.
Actually, a moron is someone who thinks that just because people hate Lisa and her display of her sexuality (like claiming she can turn any woman gay) that it automatically extends into homophobia.
Moron.
Where did I say that? Nowhere. I am well aware that people can hate Lisa and NOT because of her sexuality. I am also well aware that some people hate her, or hate her more than they otherwise would, BECAUSE of her sexuality. There is proof of that in many threads on this forum.
It's in BOLD as part of your statement.
Go right ahead, twist and contort yourself defending making such an idiotic generalization about the people who hate Lisa. You just dig deeper your own grave.
What are you droning on about? Because I said that there is prejudice on this forum against Lisa, and therefore against all homosexuals by association, means that I think EVERYONE who hates her is homophobic?
Um, no. You seriously need to brush up on your comprehension skills. :rolleyes:
IndigoJo
07-08-2009, 05:01 PM
I have been on both sides of the BULLY fence! Let me chime in. :thumbs2:
I would consider bullying to be when someone gangs up on another person, using their power of persuasion to get others to dislike someone and then treat them meanly in a whole group. THAT is one thing I believe Lisa has done, unintentional or not. Kris, Karly, etc. were VERY rude to Halfwit, mocked him, ignored him, and made him feel pushed away from the main group of HM's.
Also, bullying often focuses on a person's weakness or difference to make feel awkward or ostracized. Halfwit's personality differences and lack of social awareness gave Lisa's "gang" their fodder for their b*tching and bullying.
Bullying can be subtle, it doesn't have to be some great big guy picking on a little kid!
And I have many close lesbian friends, it wouldn't occur to me to single her out because she is a butch gay woman!
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there. And that's just ONE Lisa thread.
Actually, a moron is someone who thinks that just because people hate Lisa and her display of her sexuality (like claiming she can turn any woman gay) that it automatically extends into homophobia.
Moron.
Where did I say that? Nowhere. I am well aware that people can hate Lisa and NOT because of her sexuality. I am also well aware that some people hate her, or hate her more than they otherwise would, BECAUSE of her sexuality. There is proof of that in many threads on this forum.
It's in BOLD as part of your statement.
Go right ahead, twist and contort yourself defending making such an idiotic generalization about the people who hate Lisa. You just dig deeper your own grave.
What are you droning on about? Because I said that there is prejudice on this forum against Lisa, and therefore against all homosexuals by association, means that I think EVERYONE who hates her is homophobic?
Um, no. You seriously need to brush up on your comprehension skills. :rolleyes:
Uhm, methinks you protest too much. And it's you who needs remedial classes on reading comprehension and logic. Evidently, you possess neither.
You wrote "Because I said that there is prejudice on this forum against Lisa, and therefore against all homosexuals by association". That, in and of itself, is a fallacious statement. Prejudice against Lisa does not imply prejudice against all homosexuals.
Like I said, you just dig deeper your own grave in your misguided zeal to defend the indefensible skank named Lisa.
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by virtuoso88
And I will say it again: Lisa is a rough-looking, ugly as hell lesbian.
If you think that's a homophobic statement without knowing whether I am gay or straight clearly shows you to be a fool.
I don't need to know your sexual orientation.
Gay people can hate other gay people.
When that hatred is based on personal characteristics, eg. butchness then that is still homophobia.
Not to nitpick, but no, if I was gay and hating Lisa by calling her gay slurs, then that makes me a self-loathing gay. Homophobia is reserved for straight people who loathe gays.
But to get to the root of the point, I hate Lisa for the bully that she is. Calling her an ugly lesbian is a factual observation I am making. My observation. I think she's ugly and obviously a lesbian. Hence, she's an ugly lesbian, as far as I'm concerned. Do not tell me what my observations should be. Dragging the homophobia card then parading it around just shows your arguments in defending her to be weak. Try again.
So you, and many others call Lisa an 'ugly lesbian'. If you hated Charlie (a gay man) like you do Lisa, what would you call him? Or Bea, as a heterosexual woman?
I'll be interested in your answer.
AhmedFan2004
07-08-2009, 05:12 PM
Keep voting jet, Lisa and David need to be saved, Bea evicted! :spin:
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there. And that's just ONE Lisa thread.
Actually, a moron is someone who thinks that just because people hate Lisa and her display of her sexuality (like claiming she can turn any woman gay) that it automatically extends into homophobia.
Moron.
Where did I say that? Nowhere. I am well aware that people can hate Lisa and NOT because of her sexuality. I am also well aware that some people hate her, or hate her more than they otherwise would, BECAUSE of her sexuality. There is proof of that in many threads on this forum.
It's in BOLD as part of your statement.
Go right ahead, twist and contort yourself defending making such an idiotic generalization about the people who hate Lisa. You just dig deeper your own grave.
What are you droning on about? Because I said that there is prejudice on this forum against Lisa, and therefore against all homosexuals by association, means that I think EVERYONE who hates her is homophobic?
Um, no. You seriously need to brush up on your comprehension skills. :rolleyes:
Uhm, methinks you protest too much. And it's you who needs remedial classes on reading comprehension and logic. Evidently, you possess neither.
You wrote "Because I said that there is prejudice on this forum against Lisa, and therefore against all homosexuals by association". That, in and of itself, is a fallacious statement. Prejudice against Lisa does not imply prejudice against all homosexuals.
Like I said, you just dig deeper your own grave in your misguided zeal to defend the indefensible skank named Lisa.
You are confused and not making sense, hon. :shocked:
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Keep voting jet, Lisa and David need to be saved, Bea evicted! :spin:
Will do! :thumbs: :thumbs2:
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -
....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there. And that's just ONE Lisa thread.
Actually, a moron is someone who thinks that just because people hate Lisa and her display of her sexuality (like claiming she can turn any woman gay) that it automatically extends into homophobia.
Moron.
Where did I say that? Nowhere. I am well aware that people can hate Lisa and NOT because of her sexuality. I am also well aware that some people hate her, or hate her more than they otherwise would, BECAUSE of her sexuality. There is proof of that in many threads on this forum.
It's in BOLD as part of your statement.
Go right ahead, twist and contort yourself defending making such an idiotic generalization about the people who hate Lisa. You just dig deeper your own grave.
What are you droning on about? Because I said that there is prejudice on this forum against Lisa, and therefore against all homosexuals by association, means that I think EVERYONE who hates her is homophobic?
Um, no. You seriously need to brush up on your comprehension skills. :rolleyes:
Uhm, methinks you protest too much. And it's you who needs remedial classes on reading comprehension and logic. Evidently, you possess neither.
You wrote "Because I said that there is prejudice on this forum against Lisa, and therefore against all homosexuals by association". That, in and of itself, is a fallacious statement. Prejudice against Lisa does not imply prejudice against all homosexuals.
Like I said, you just dig deeper your own grave in your misguided zeal to defend the indefensible skank named Lisa.
You are confused and not making sense, hon. :shocked:
You must be talking to yourself in the mirror. :whistle:
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by virtuoso88
And I will say it again: Lisa is a rough-looking, ugly as hell lesbian.
If you think that's a homophobic statement without knowing whether I am gay or straight clearly shows you to be a fool.
I don't need to know your sexual orientation.
Gay people can hate other gay people.
When that hatred is based on personal characteristics, eg. butchness then that is still homophobia.
Not to nitpick, but no, if I was gay and hating Lisa by calling her gay slurs, then that makes me a self-loathing gay. Homophobia is reserved for straight people who loathe gays.
But to get to the root of the point, I hate Lisa for the bully that she is. Calling her an ugly lesbian is a factual observation I am making. My observation. I think she's ugly and obviously a lesbian. Hence, she's an ugly lesbian, as far as I'm concerned. Do not tell me what my observations should be. Dragging the homophobia card then parading it around just shows your arguments in defending her to be weak. Try again.
So you, and many others call Lisa an 'ugly lesbian'. If you hated Charlie (a gay man) like you do Lisa, what would you call him? Or Bea, as a heterosexual woman?
I'll be interested in your answer.
Thought of an answer yet?
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 05:33 PM
No need to answer diversionary attempts to change the topic. The topic is Lisa. Stick to that skanky lesbian.
I still think Lisa is an ugly lesbian. Deal with it.
Originally posted by virtuoso88
No need to answer diversionary attempts to change the topic. The topic is Lisa. Stick to that skanky lesbian.
I still think Lisa is an ugly lesbian. Deal with it.
I didn't think you would answer that.
You deny you are homophobic, yet you use word 'lesbian' as an insult.
MissKittyFantastico
07-08-2009, 05:53 PM
It's funny to me how some of the people that proclaim to hate Lisa because she's so vile and nasty etc, are actually using words and acting in a worse way on here than she has ever done in the house.
How people can have some hatred for someone they don't actually know is amazing to me.
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
No need to answer diversionary attempts to change the topic. The topic is Lisa. Stick to that skanky lesbian.
I still think Lisa is an ugly lesbian. Deal with it.
I didn't think you would answer that.
You deny you are homophobic, yet you use word 'lesbian' as an insult.
I use lesbian to describe Lisa because she is one. The fact that I choose to call her that is my choice. To ascribe certain negative connotations to the word "lesbian" speaks more about your own prejudices than it does mine.
You got an issue with the word lesbian? Then take it up with a dictionary. Otherwise, you Admin edit.
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
No need to answer diversionary attempts to change the topic. The topic is Lisa. Stick to that skanky lesbian.
I still think Lisa is an ugly lesbian. Deal with it.
I didn't think you would answer that.
You deny you are homophobic, yet you use word 'lesbian' as an insult.
I use lesbian to describe Lisa because she is one. The fact that I choose to call her that is my choice. To ascribe certain negative connotations to the word "lesbian" speaks more about your own prejudices than it does mine.
You got an issue with the word lesbian? Then take it up with a dictionary. Otherwise, you are no more than a bumbling, blubbering buffoon.
So I ask again, if you hated Bea and though she was ugly, what you call her - A ugly ....? What? If you hated Charlie and thought he was skanky, what would you call him? A skanky......? What?
It's a reasonable question.
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 06:06 PM
No it's not. It's what's called a leading question. Look it up. I have a feeling you don't even know what it means.
Lisa is an ugly lesbian. You are now going through contortions in your desire to show that calling Lisa an ugly lesbian is a homophobic statement. Admin edit. Insults.
supergirthuk
07-08-2009, 06:07 PM
That witch engineered a campaign against Halfwit from the moment she realised he had money. He had not done her any harm, other than being mildly annoying or irritating, which he was to most people in the house, but she cruely decided to get all her equally stupid housemate friends to go after him too. She didn't have the honesty to just sit down with Halfwit and talk to him to find some middle ground so they could live harmoniously for the time she is in there. One of the nastiest housemates ever. I'd stop her benefits and kick her into the gutter where she belongs!
supergirthuk
07-08-2009, 06:10 PM
Whether she is a lesbian or not doesnt alter just how vile she is.
supergirthuk
07-08-2009, 06:14 PM
I would hate her what ever her sexual preference was Straight, Lesbian, Bi, Paedo, Beastiality what ever!
bansheewails
07-08-2009, 06:17 PM
I dislike Lisa because she is vulgar, foul mouthed, she thinks everyone else is rubbish, she thinks only her opinion counts, she does nothing but smoke and bitch, she has never, not even once, made me laugh.
I think the reasons above are enough for me to dislike a person. Do not bring sexuality into the equation, because there is no reason to.
:mad:
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by bansheewails
I dislike Lisa because she is vulgar, foul mouthed, she thinks everyone else is rubbish, she thinks only her opinion counts, she does nothing but smoke and bitch, she has never, not even once, made me laugh.
I think the reasons above are enough for me to dislike a person. Do not bring sexuality into the equation, because there is no reason to.
:mad:
Well, the Lisa fans are so desperate and clutching at straws so they have to drag any and all issues they can think of to deflect and distract from the real issue here: Lisa is an evil bi*tch bully.
Twiggy
07-08-2009, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by Ghostface77
Your 1st post is this?
Even the people that want Halfwit out acknowledge that Lisa bullied Halfwit I don't agree.
hennessy
07-08-2009, 06:22 PM
I personaly think she's asexual
Asexual nightmare boom boom
Trispen
07-08-2009, 06:25 PM
I couldn't give a crap what Lisa's sexuality is, she is a moaning, boring, aggressive, scheming person and I would love her to be voted out. Does anybody really think that someone who sits in the bus stop smoking and moaning constantly is good TV or even constitutes a good/entertaining housemate??? And as for previous comments regarding Bea being a bully I can only see her addressing problems not starting them, I quote from a previous post which no-one has so far disagreed with " I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying."
Originally posted by virtuoso88
No it's not. It's what's called a leading question. Look it up. I have a feeling you don't even know what it means.
Lisa is an ugly lesbian. You are now going through contortions in your desire to show that calling Lisa an ugly lesbian is a homophobic statement. Get over it, pathetic Lisa fan.
I'm not going through any contortions. I am asking a simple question, which you are obviously afraid to answer. Why?
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by Ghostface77
I personaly think she's asexual
Asexual nightmare boom boom
Perhaps hermaphrodite?
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
No it's not. It's what's called a leading question. Look it up. I have a feeling you don't even know what it means.
Lisa is an ugly lesbian. You are now going through contortions in your desire to show that calling Lisa an ugly lesbian is a homophobic statement. Get over it, pathetic Lisa fan.
I'm not going through any contortions. I am asking a simple question, which you are obviously afraid to answer. Why?
Yes you are going through contortions. The burden of proof is on you, dearie.
Why don't you answer whether Lisa was bullying Freddie or not in this video?
http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/64674466c6a14538b110c8742b168b3e/play.c4
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
No it's not. It's what's called a leading question. Look it up. I have a feeling you don't even know what it means.
Lisa is an ugly lesbian. You are now going through contortions in your desire to show that calling Lisa an ugly lesbian is a homophobic statement. Get over it, pathetic Lisa fan.
I'm not going through any contortions. I am asking a simple question, which you are obviously afraid to answer. Why?
Yes you are going through contortions. The burden of proof is on you, dearie.
Why don't you answer whether Lisa was bullying Freddie or not in this video?
http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/64674466c6a14538b110c8742b168b3e/play.c4
Of course I'll answer your question. Lisa was very aggressive to Halfwit in that clip, yes. Bullying? I don’t think so. She obviously had had enough of his condescending manner of speaking to people - that is what that was all about. The rest of the HM’s (including Marcus, Siavash etc) didn’t speak up for Halfwit. At that stage MOST of the HM’s disliked him and were nominating him every single week. So yes, maybe she was irritated and annoyed with him, but she went over the top in her reaction. Absolutely.
I've answered your question. Now will you answer mine?
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 07:11 PM
Oh please, you will always be in denial with regards to your precious Gollum, er, Lisa.
Freddie was motivating the remaining housemates to show appreciation to Sophia! Only in a Lisa fan's sick and twisted mind will that scenario be considered as Lisa sticking up to Freddie's condescension.
You're a hopeless case.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by supergirthuk
He had not done her any harm, other than being mildly annoying or irritating, which he was to most people in the house, but she cruely decided to get all her equally stupid housemate friends to go after him too.
What utter claptrap!
He was not mildly annoying or irritating, he was VERY annoying and irritating.
Imagine what it must have been like for those LIVING with him 24/7.
He had this effect on the majority of housemates, he didn't NEED Lisa to turn them against him, they had already come to their own conclusions. No manipulation necessary. He drove Lisa up the wall. She could of been two faced and acted all nicey nice. But that would not have been genuine.
Don't BB viewers like genuine people? Apparently not. Halfwit is not even remotely genuine. His whole "hey dude" act is an attempt to fit in with the "little people."
Clearly, it's working...
Also, please stop banging on about Lisa claiming benefit. I pay my taxes and like to think it is going to people who NEED it. Not well off people like Halfwit who call it "pocket money." Although, he's right, it is peanuts they get...
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Oh please, you will always be in denial with regards to your precious Gollum, er, Lisa.
Freddie was motivating the remaining housemates to show appreciation to Sophia! Only in a Lisa fan's sick and twisted mind will that scenario be considered as Lisa sticking up to Freddie's condescension.
You're a hopeless case.
Another diversionary tactic. Are you going to answer my question? You might not have liked my answer, but at least I did you the courtesy OF answering.
Originally posted by h3llb1tch
Originally posted by supergirthuk
He had not done her any harm, other than being mildly annoying or irritating, which he was to most people in the house, but she cruely decided to get all her equally stupid housemate friends to go after him too.
What utter claptrap!
He was not mildly annoying or irritating, he was VERY annoying and irritating.
Imagine what it must have been like for those LIVING with him 24/7.
He had this effect on the majority of housemates, he didn't NEED Lisa to turn them against him, they had already come to their own conclusions. No manipulation necessary. He drove Lisa up the wall. She could of been two faced and acted all nicey nice. But that would not have been genuine.
Don't BB viewers like genuine people? Apparently not. Halfwit is not even remotely genuine. His whole "hey dude" act is an attempt to fit in with the "little people."
Clearly, it's working...
Also, please stop banging on about Lisa claiming benefit. I pay my taxes and like to think it is going to people who NEED it. Not well off people like Halfwit who call it "pocket money." Although, he's right, it is peanuts they get...
*claps* :thumbs:
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Oh please, you will always be in denial with regards to your precious Gollum, er, Lisa.
Freddie was motivating the remaining housemates to show appreciation to Sophia! Only in a Lisa fan's sick and twisted mind will that scenario be considered as Lisa sticking up to Freddie's condescension.
You're a hopeless case.
Another diversionary tactic. Are you going to answer my question? You might not have liked my answer, but at least I did you the courtesy OF answering.
Lisa is an ugly lesbian. Now, prove whatever it is you want to prove based on that. The burden is on you, Lisa fan.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Lisa is an ugly lesbian. Now, prove whatever it is you want to prove based on that. The burden is on you, Lisa fan.
Why not say, "Lisa is ugly."
Would you say, "Marcus is an obnoxious heterosexual."
No.
Perhaps the reason you even mention her sexuality is because you harbor deep seated hatred towards those who have slept with more women than you have.
Maybe, we've gotten you all wrong. Maybe you're not incredibly homophobic and offensive.
Maybe you're just jealous....
virtuoso88
07-08-2009, 07:47 PM
Hahaha! That's funny. Go on, tell me who I am or what I am supposed to write based on your very limited knowledge. Hahaha!
Lisa is ugly and she's also a lesbian. So she's an ugly lesbian.
Grasping at straws to prove that that's a homophobic statement, aren't you, Lisa fans? Go on, extrapolate more. I'm having a laugh at your expense, to tell you honestly.
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Originally posted by jet
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Oh please, you will always be in denial with regards to your precious Gollum, er, Lisa.
Freddie was motivating the remaining housemates to show appreciation to Sophia! Only in a Lisa fan's sick and twisted mind will that scenario be considered as Lisa sticking up to Freddie's condescension.
You're a hopeless case.
Another diversionary tactic. Are you going to answer my question? You might not have liked my answer, but at least I did you the courtesy OF answering.
Lisa is an ugly lesbian. Now, prove whatever it is you want to prove based on that. The burden is on you, Lisa fan.
With pleasure, seeing you asked.
If you hated Bea, would you call her ‘an ugly straight’ or if you hated Charlie would you call him ‘an ugly gay’. Or Rodrigo ‘an ugly bi - sexual’? I don’t think so. So why is Lisa ‘an ugly lesbian’? You are defining her by her sexuality, not as a PERSON who just HAPPENS to be a lesbian.
You are using the word ‘lesbian’ as an insult in this context, if you wouldn’t follow an insult, (eg, ‘ugly’ ) about others with their respective sexuality preference.
I rest my case.
h3llb1tch
07-08-2009, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by virtuoso88
Lisa is ugly and she's also a lesbian. So she's an ugly lesbian.
Grasping at straws to prove that that's a homophobic statement, aren't you, Lisa fans?
Okay.
I guess you would also say, "Brian is a not very intelligent, black man."
Oh no, sorry. Silly me. Semantics.
"Brian is not very intelligent and he's also a black man."
Yeah, either way, you totally wouldn't sound like a bigot.
Awesome, man. You win.
James
07-08-2009, 07:57 PM
Locking this topic as there are too many rule-breaks in it.
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