I worry about society and women role models

[luminoussun]

Women fought for equality and feminists have fought for womens rights for years so women did'nt have to cook clean and sell there body as the only way of earning a living.
Now women have the choice of any job and can be anything they want to be...so it's a bit worrying to find out that most young women would rather be a wag then anything else.
talentless bimbos whos only skill is being good in the bedroom.
They want to leach off a man and spend all day shopping off his money.
glorified prostitutes who hang around clubs just hoping one day some premiership footballer gets drunk enough to pregnate them.

5 years ago sophie would of been voted out for being a slut...But now she is being looked at as a winner??
I fear for the young girls looking up to her saving up for huge plastic tits and thinking it's ok to sleep with a man after 4 days on tv.
ok sophie seems nice but come on for gods sake grow some morals.Don't slag noirin/bea off for being a tart and then praise a porn star

[prkp12]

oh shut up:laugh::laugh:
shes great!

[DiamondDogTags]

:hug: Don't worry.. BB is not a place for role models.

[luminoussun]

Originally posted by prkp12
oh shut up:laugh::laugh:
shes great!
How can i argue with such a well thought out argument hehe:laugh:

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by luminoussun
Women fought for equality and feminists have fought for womens rights for years so women did'nt have to cook clean and sell there body as the only way of earning a living.
Now women have the choice of any job and can be anything they want to be...so it's a bit worrying to find out that most young women would rather be a wag then anything else.
talentless bimbos whos only skill is being good in the bedroom.
They want to leach off a man and spend all day shopping off his money.
glorified prostitutes who hang around clubs just hoping one day some premiership footballer gets drunk enough to pregnate them.

5 years ago sophie would of been voted out for being a slut...But now she is being looked at as a winner??
I fear for the young girls looking up to her saving up for huge plastic tits and thinking it's ok to sleep with a man after 4 days on tv.
ok sophie seems nice but come on for gods sake grow some morals.Don't slag noirin/bea off for being a tart and then praise a porn star

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[Vicky.]

Hmmm...who would you say is a good rolemodel then?

[reallynow]

Hmmmmm I am just not going to answer this because I know I would get attacked.

But I would simply say, feminism has caused a lot of single mothers out there and children without fathers. Feminism main tool should be to find the best man possible to compliment ones life in work, education, raising children and enjoying life.

[luminoussun]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Hmmm...who would you say is a good rolemodel then?
Any women who don't use her body to get money?
A woman who works in a real job.
Someone who has pride in herself and don't think a man is just a walking wallet.
Basically any woman who has to study or learn a trade just like men do.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by luminoussun
Women fought for equality and feminists have fought for womens rights for years so women did'nt have to cook clean and sell there body as the only way of earning a living.
Now women have the choice of any job and can be anything they want to be...so it's a bit worrying to find out that most young women would rather be a wag then anything else.
talentless bimbos whos only skill is being good in the bedroom.
They want to leach off a man and spend all day shopping off his money.
glorified prostitutes who hang around clubs just hoping one day some premiership footballer gets drunk enough to pregnate them.

5 years ago sophie would of been voted out for being a slut...But now she is being looked at as a winner??
I fear for the young girls looking up to her saving up for huge plastic tits and thinking it's ok to sleep with a man after 4 days on tv.
ok sophie seems nice but come on for gods sake grow some morals.Don't slag noirin/bea off for being a tart and then praise a porn star

I actually agree with you.

I think it's really sad that more and more girls nowadays have no ambition other than to snag a footballer, or become glamour models, or go on reality TV shows and have five minutes of fame, make a quick buck and not actually contribute anything to society.

I think it's just a sign of the times we live in though unfortunately. And if they aren't hurting anybody then live and let live I guess.

[reallynow]

Originally posted by luminoussun
Originally posted by VickyJ
Hmmm...who would you say is a good rolemodel then?
Any women who don't use her body to get money?
A woman who works in a real job.
Someone who has pride in herself and don't think a man is just a walking wallet.
Basically any woman who has to study or learn a trade just like men do.


Don't you know this is all down to feminism, and Bea tarting it about with 50 men too!

[Staceee]

Women use big brother contestants as role models?

[luminoussun]

your not lookiing at the bigger picture.
You just see sophie and go on the defence.
I have no grudge against sophie.
It is society i fear for.

[brian3]

In the 80s feminists said that a woman who apears on page 3 or a lads mag was degrading herself and all women


Then in the 90s post-feminists said that women who apeared in lads mag where showing they where strong by using their looks to get ahead

I dont know what the pary line is now.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by reallynow
Hmmmmm I am just not going to answer this because I know I would get attacked.

But I would simply say, feminism has caused a lot of single mothers out there and children without fathers. Feminism main tool should be to find the best man possible to compliment ones life in work, education, raising children and enjoying life.

Rather narrow-minded don't you think?

It is not feminism that has created single mothers - it does take two to tango you know!!!!!!!

A large part of it is boys/men not being held accountable for their behaviour ie, they often don't much care about contraception, they abandon their children and run away from their responsibilities. At least the mothers in that position are taking responibility and looking after their children. They rarely abandon their children!! They do a damn good job in the circumstances - whilst the guys often continue to go around impregnating other young girls - often much younger - and just repeating the cycle!!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by luminoussun
Originally posted by VickyJ
Hmmm...who would you say is a good rolemodel then?
Any women who don't use her body to get money?
A woman who works in a real job.
Someone who has pride in herself and don't think a man is just a walking wallet.
Basically any woman who has to study or learn a trade just like men do.

Sorry, obviously totally missed your point, thought you were trying to say someone else in the house was a better role model. :wink:

Very sensible post.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by reallynow
Hmmmmm I am just not going to answer this because I know I would get attacked.

But I would simply say, feminism has caused a lot of single mothers out there and children without fathers. Feminism main tool should be to find the best man possible to compliment ones life in work, education, raising children and enjoying life.

Rather narrow-minded don't you think?

It is not feminism that has created single mothers - it does take two to tango you know!!!!!!!

A large part of it is boys/men not being held accountable for their behaviour ie, they often don't much care about contraception, they abandon their children and run away from their responsibilities. At least the mothers in that position are taking responibility and looking after their children. They rarely abandon their children!! They do a damn good job in the circumstances - whilst the guys often continue to go around impregnating other young girls - often much younger - and just repeating the cycle!!

:shocked: I agree totally with one of your posts. What the hell is wrong with me?!

[Staceee]

Originally posted by luminoussun
Originally posted by VickyJ
Hmmm...who would you say is a good rolemodel then?
Any women who don't use her body to get money?
A woman who works in a real job.
Someone who has pride in herself and don't think a man is just a walking wallet.
Basically any woman who has to study or learn a trade just like men do.

'Just like men do'

Men are models too.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by reallynow
Hmmmmm I am just not going to answer this because I know I would get attacked.

But I would simply say, feminism has caused a lot of single mothers out there and children without fathers. Feminism main tool should be to find the best man possible to compliment ones life in work, education, raising children and enjoying life.

Rather narrow-minded don't you think?

It is not feminism that has created single mothers - it does take two to tango you know!!!!!!!

A large part of it is boys/men not being held accountable for their behaviour ie, they often don't much care about contraception, they abandon their children and run away from their responsibilities. At least the mothers in that position are taking responibility and looking after their children. They rarely abandon their children!! They do a damn good job in the circumstances - whilst the guys often continue to go around impregnating other young girls - often much younger - and just repeating the cycle!!

:shocked: I agree totally with one of your posts. What the hell is wrong with me?!

Were both women - and don't like those sort of double-standard attitudes, I guess. :thumbs:

[halfacrown]

A feminist doesn't have to be all 'high morals and low heals', Sophie can look great in a sort of over the top glam, slightly ******, way, but she lacks integrity. I'm not fussed about her wanting to be a porn star but she's let herself down by going around with Kris and being nasty about people, whilst acting innocent.

I can even forgive her incessant farting, I'm just appaled by how she treats people who have gone out of their way to support her, Marcus for example.

[luminoussun]

Originally posted by Staceee
Originally posted by luminoussun
Originally posted by VickyJ
Hmmm...who would you say is a good rolemodel then?
Any women who don't use her body to get money?
A woman who works in a real job.
Someone who has pride in herself and don't think a man is just a walking wallet.
Basically any woman who has to study or learn a trade just like men do.

'Just like men do'

Men are models too.
True:thumbs:
Hey why not do a post about bad men role models?

[GypsyGoth]

If other girls want to be married to a footballer, I don't mind. But if that is all they aspire to, then it bugs me. And I'm not in the least jealous. I want them to have bigger dreams, but who am I to impose what I want upon them. Anyway I hate shopping.

Sophie being the winner would annoy me as well. She hasn't done much. I think Bea deserves it more than her.

[BitterFruit]

Now men have the choice of any job and can be anything they want to be...it's a bit worrying to find out that most young men would rather be a premiership footballer then anything else.
talentless himbos whos only skill is being good on the grass.
They want to leach off high spending clubs and spend all day shopping their money.
glorified prostitutes who hang around clubs just hoping one day some girl gets drunk enough to dance with them.


I remember in my day when you ..........:sleep::sleep:

[Oooo_get_her]

Originally posted by reallynow
Hmmmmm I am just not going to answer this because I know I would get attacked.

But I would simply say, feminism has caused a lot of single mothers out there and children without fathers. Feminism main tool should be to find the best man possible to compliment ones life in work, education, raising children and enjoying life.

Feminism has not caused single mothers.

And the idea the 'feminism' has anything to do with finding a man at all (good, bad or indifferent) is quite frankly laughable.

Feminism, if it is any one thing today (which really it isn't) is quite simply the philosophy that women are not subservient to, nor lesser than, men and that therefore they (we) should be completely free to choose any path in life. That's all - it isn't about telling women what the 'right' path is, but simply provide women with the same choices as men and allowing both to get on with it.

It is an interesting reflection on society that a lot of young women aspire to wag-dom - but I disagree that that is a majority aspiration. I also disagree that a woman being a 'glamour model' is equivalent to pre-emancipation prostitution. A lot of the women who choose the route of selling sex (in whatever form) are doing quite the opposite of being sexual chattels. That's not true of every woman in 'glamour' or hardcore of course, it's still a minority thing unfortunately - but it has made a lot of very successful business women and the very fact that there are some that do not need a man pimping for them (literally or metaphorically) is a positive thing in that industry.

[kisywisy]

i don't see why we should blame the media for not giving girls positive role models. that's up to us as parents to instill proper values to our children.

[Oooo_get_her]

Originally posted by kisywisy
i don't see why we should blame the media for not giving girls positive role models. that's up to us as parents to instill proper values to our children.

Good point.

The media are only answering a demand - they wouldn't push this sh1t if there wasn't a market for it.

[bansheewails]

I do not know any girl/woman who would look to BB for role models! Its the exact opposite, you watch it to see HOW NOT TO behave! Thats why we love it!

:xyxwave:

[luminoussun]

Originally posted by kisywisy
i don't see why we should blame the media for not giving girls positive role models. that's up to us as parents to instill proper values to our children.
So why do sportmen and women get so much stick over how they behave??

[Tom]

If you use Sophie as a role model then that isn't the problem, the problem is that you think reality TV stars make good role models

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by luminoussun
Originally posted by kisywisy
i don't see why we should blame the media for not giving girls positive role models. that's up to us as parents to instill proper values to our children.
So why do sportmen and women get so much stick over how they behave??

Maybe its got something to do with not bringing the sport into disripute!!

They are supposed to be professionals - aren't they?

[google]

Originally posted by luminoussun
Women fought for equality and feminists have fought for womens rights for years so women did'nt have to cook clean and sell there body as the only way of earning a living.
Now women have the choice of any job and can be anything they want to be...so it's a bit worrying to find out that most young women would rather be a wag then anything else.
talentless bimbos whos only skill is being good in the bedroom.
They want to leach off a man and spend all day shopping off his money.
glorified prostitutes who hang around clubs just hoping one day some premiership footballer gets drunk enough to pregnate them.

5 years ago sophie would of been voted out for being a slut...But now she is being looked at as a winner??
I fear for the young girls looking up to her saving up for huge plastic tits and thinking it's ok to sleep with a man after 4 days on tv.
ok sophie seems nice but come on for gods sake grow some morals.Don't slag noirin/bea off for being a tart and then praise a porn star


Sophie, Noirin and Bea are all bad examples! :sad:

[bansheewails]

If you want a good role model for girls Try the Late, Jane Tomlinson.

She was dying of cancer, and cycled thouands upon thousands of miles to raise money for her cancer charity. She was brave, good and a brilliant role model.

And people on Forums said that she was lying, that she was not dying and she was keeping the money for heself.

See good people get rubbished as much as bad people, but people are more smug about it.

Jane Tomlinson laughed it off until the day she died, I bet her family weren't tho.

[bansheewails]

bump

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by luminoussun
Originally posted by kisywisy
i don't see why we should blame the media for not giving girls positive role models. that's up to us as parents to instill proper values to our children.
So why do sportmen and women get so much stick over how they behave??

i don't really see your point.

do you mean their personal or professional life??

if you mean professional life, then it's because they have got to adhere to the rules set by their chosen sport.

personal life, the media are always looking for the next 'scandal' and blow them out of proportion. the public buy into this because we are nosey. we want to know about other people's lives. why else would we watch shows like bb?? the public like to judge and compare lives with others

having a sportsperson as an idol isn't a bad thing as long as it's their success that is idolised and not their wealth etc. these sportspeople have worked very hard to get to the level they have and that is something that should be praised.

kids should have it drilled into them that they will amount to nothing without hard work. my daughter wants to be like hannah montana when she's older (god, i know!!). i always tell her how hard she has to work to be on tv and noone will just give her a tv show or record deal. i also talk to her about 'real' careers as well so she doesn't have her head in the clouds. sorry i'm going on about nothing now. anyway, i just think it's not these page 3 models or wags that are the problem, it's the parents that haven't taught kids what to respect properly.

programmes like pop stars/idol, x factor etc are fuelling the fire as well by letting everyone think that they can be famous without doing anything and bypassing the real hard work. sorry waffling now, too tired

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by bansheewails
If you want a good role model for girls Try the Late, Jane Tomlinson.

She was dying of cancer, and cycled thouands upon thousands of miles to raise money for her cancer charity. She was brave, good and a brilliant role model.

And people on Forums said that she was lying, that she was not dying and she was keeping the money for heself.

See good people get rubbished as much as bad people, but people are more smug about it.

Jane Tomlinson laughed it off until the day she died, I bet her family weren't tho.

i agree. people should have real role models. fair enough a lot of people don't have these people in their everyday lives (like family), but our real role models should be people like doctors, nurses, the armed forces, police, firemen etc. these are real people that do a lot of good

[Beastie]

reality tv is for people to go on!! to make a quick buck!! a few may be in there for the experience and couldnt care what they get after!!

if you audition for big brother.. and you are chosen then you are LUCKY!

i mean yeah.. things have changed the past 10 years.. now the media is stronger than ever!! with more reality shows than ever!! and that everyone knows it can be easy to make a quick buck out of nothing..

i think most people who have that opportunity will take it!!

big brother.. dont know if its a place for role models!! your main role model is probs your mum or dad??

i think rachel rice is a good role model though!

a good role model = someone who works hard for a living?
someone who actually contributes to society?

[Beastie]

although someone did say on here that sophie has raised 10 grand for charity!! and its the public buying into the topless model magazines!! so really its the public to blame!

[Tom]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by bansheewails
If you want a good role model for girls Try the Late, Jane Tomlinson.

She was dying of cancer, and cycled thouands upon thousands of miles to raise money for her cancer charity. She was brave, good and a brilliant role model.

And people on Forums said that she was lying, that she was not dying and she was keeping the money for heself.

See good people get rubbished as much as bad people, but people are more smug about it.

Jane Tomlinson laughed it off until the day she died, I bet her family weren't tho.

i agree. people should have real role models. fair enough a lot of people don't have these people in their everyday lives (like family), but our real role models should be people like doctors, nurses, the armed forces, police, firemen etc. these are real people that do a lot of good

god no, I'm in the armed forces and probably couldn't think of worse role models :laugh2:

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by bansheewails
If you want a good role model for girls Try the Late, Jane Tomlinson.

She was dying of cancer, and cycled thouands upon thousands of miles to raise money for her cancer charity. She was brave, good and a brilliant role model.

And people on Forums said that she was lying, that she was not dying and she was keeping the money for heself.

See good people get rubbished as much as bad people, but people are more smug about it.

Jane Tomlinson laughed it off until the day she died, I bet her family weren't tho.

i agree. people should have real role models. fair enough a lot of people don't have these people in their everyday lives (like family), but our real role models should be people like doctors, nurses, the armed forces, police, firemen etc. these are real people that do a lot of good

god no, I'm in the armed forces and probably couldn't think of worse role models :laugh2:

lol my brothers were both in the army for a while and they aren't the best role models lol but i have a lot of friends that are away on tour just now and i think that anyone that works to defend our country and trys to make the world a better place is good in my book!!:thumbs:

[Jenateaj]

all kids have stupid aspirations! I wanted to be a tattoo artist, a model, pole dancer, lollipop lady or a crocodile when I was younger, didn't happen! any way even though all these girls want to be wags, there aren't enough footballers to go around so most will end up in a job of some sort.

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by luminoussun
Women fought for equality and feminists have fought for womens rights for years so women did'nt have to cook clean and sell there body as the only way of earning a living.
Now women have the choice of any job and can be anything they want to be...so it's a bit worrying to find out that most young women would rather be a wag then anything else.
talentless bimbos whos only skill is being good in the bedroom.
They want to leach off a man and spend all day shopping off his money.
glorified prostitutes who hang around clubs just hoping one day some premiership footballer gets drunk enough to pregnate them.

5 years ago sophie would of been voted out for being a slut...But now she is being looked at as a winner??
I fear for the young girls looking up to her saving up for huge plastic tits and thinking it's ok to sleep with a man after 4 days on tv.
ok sophie seems nice but come on for gods sake grow some morals.Don't slag noirin/bea off for being a tart and then praise a porn star

In the best of intentions, 'Feminism' would have been something where the best of femininity is strengthened and encouraged.
Excellence in social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty,
but,
Somehow this 'feminist' movement became an 'antifeminism' movement and the idea was to become like men.
Worse - to match the worst qualities men are known for.
If men are known for congregating and degenerating into foul-language then 'a woman can do it too!',
Men sleep around and even brag about it - then a woman can do that too!
Men like to degenerate into fist-fights.. then watch these women do it to!
and,
even worse - rejecting what were commonly held as 'feminine' traits is somehow a 'win' for this.
Do not have any housekeeping skills
Do not be in charge of raising the babies.
Have no social graces..
Well that is just a general picture of the concept.
It went wrong.
No doubt the quasi-feminist movement has ruined the lives of more women and more families than any other single ideology I can think of right now.

The OP does correctly point to one 'feminine' characteristic that has 'inflated' and been magnified and that is the 'beauty' of women. THAT has been highly celebrated, encouraged, super-charged and fed steroids, botox, plastic bags.
Now the 'ideal female' really is a 'sex object' that has one 'social grace' alone which is getting her way through the hyper-sexual exploitation.
Its almost like 'feminism' has become taking what would be associated as the WORST traits and perfecting them!!

One single mothers..
..Yes, I mean it is certainly true that single motherhood will result in a hugely disproportionate number of crimes and net drains on society.
A lot of them choose that life.
but
I always have to get back to the 'who you don't see' because for every single mum there is, somewhere, a 'single dad' but because he isn't raising the children we don't call him that. But he is as much the problem.
*and of course there are single-mums who are so because of unforseen circumstances, widows etc.
I never know which is which so I cant say who is who.

But yes for sure - Big Brother is now simply reduced to finding the most retarded, sick, dysfunctional, worst of the worst and that includes the female HMs

Ones that are 'good examples' either get voted out or walk out.
Remember Leslie?
I'm not saying you 'loved her personality' but from what I saw there was a good example of a woman who was both a professional success and also still a 'real woman' and in charge of 'feminist' characteristics.
or,
Actually I think Tom would be a good 'role model' for a lot of younger men in the sense he was a hard worker, balanced it with sport and at the same time was mostly respectful of men and women alike.

Hira might have been to cute for most women to identify with as a 'role model' but give her credit for this:
She showed you can use 'maternal' characteristics and social grace in a positive way to win over a valued place in the society.
Never once did she use her smoking hot sleek panther body to do it.
A lot of young women could benefit to have watched that and aimed for that for themselves.

[Beastie]

yeah kids do have many job ambitions!! when i was a kid.. watching home alone and that and seeing kids on tv.. i was like "ooo i want to be an actress" but realised i dont have enough confidence for that!! most kids snap out of it!

but kids nowadays.. there is more stress on them i think?? and they are plastered with all this shallow media!!

children now get critisised.. and probably not as smart as like our parents were back in the day?? because some of them dont know where milk comes from etc..

[Beastie]

okay the milk comment.. sorry i think i have gone off the point! lol

[Beastie]

Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by luminoussun
Women fought for equality and feminists have fought for womens rights for years so women did'nt have to cook clean and sell there body as the only way of earning a living.
Now women have the choice of any job and can be anything they want to be...so it's a bit worrying to find out that most young women would rather be a wag then anything else.
talentless bimbos whos only skill is being good in the bedroom.
They want to leach off a man and spend all day shopping off his money.
glorified prostitutes who hang around clubs just hoping one day some premiership footballer gets drunk enough to pregnate them.

5 years ago sophie would of been voted out for being a slut...But now she is being looked at as a winner??
I fear for the young girls looking up to her saving up for huge plastic tits and thinking it's ok to sleep with a man after 4 days on tv.
ok sophie seems nice but come on for gods sake grow some morals.Don't slag noirin/bea off for being a tart and then praise a porn star

In the best of intentions, 'Feminism' would have been something where the best of femininity is strengthened and encouraged.
Excellence in social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty,
but,
Somehow this 'feminist' movement became an 'antifeminism' movement and the idea was to become like men.
Worse - to match the worst qualities men are known for.
If men are known for congregating and degenerating into foul-language then 'a woman can do it too!',
Men sleep around and even brag about it - then a woman can do that too!
Men like to degenerate into fist-fights.. then watch these women do it to!
and,
even worse - rejecting what were commonly held as 'feminine' traits is somehow a 'win' for this.
Do not have any housekeeping skills
Do not be in charge of raising the babies.
Have no social graces..
Well that is just a general picture of the concept.
It went wrong.
No doubt the quasi-feminist movement has ruined the lives of more women and more families than any other single ideology I can think of right now.

The OP does correctly point to one 'feminine' characteristic that has 'inflated' and been magnified and that is the 'beauty' of women. THAT has been highly celebrated, encouraged, super-charged and fed steroids, botox, plastic bags.
Now the 'ideal female' really is a 'sex object' that has one 'social grace' alone which is getting her way through the hyper-sexual exploitation.
Its almost like 'feminism' has become taking what would be associated as the WORST traits and perfecting them!!

One single mothers..
..Yes, I mean it is certainly true that single motherhood will result in a hugely disproportionate number of crimes and net drains on society.
A lot of them choose that life.
but
I always have to get back to the 'who you don't see' because for every single mum there is, somewhere, a 'single dad' but because he isn't raising the children we don't call him that. But he is as much the problem.
*and of course there are single-mums who are so because of unforseen circumstances, widows etc.
I never know which is which so I cant say who is who.

But yes for sure - Big Brother is now simply reduced to finding the most retarded, sick, dysfunctional, worst of the worst and that includes the female HMs

Ones that are 'good examples' either get voted out or walk out.
Remember Leslie?
I'm not saying you 'loved her personality' but from what I saw there was a good example of a woman who was both a professional success and also still a 'real woman' and in charge of 'feminist' characteristics.
or,
Actually I think Tom would be a good 'role model' for a lot of younger men in the sense he was a hard worker, balanced it with sport and at the same time was mostly respectful of men and women alike.

Hira might have been to cute for most women to identify with as a 'role model' but give her credit for this:
She showed you can use 'maternal' characteristics and social grace in a positive way to win over a valued place in the society.
Never once did she use her smoking hot sleek panther body to do it.
A lot of young women could benefit to have watched that and aimed for that for themselves.

rachel rice was strong though!! and stuck through big brother throughout!!

okay big brother seems a silly example.. but.. is a good role model someone who just "gives up"??

[Beastie]

sorry big brother is not a silly example.. just that i didnt know tom or whoever well enough to judge if i thought they was a good role model? lol

[bansheewails]

The point of feminisim, is to be what you want, in the way you want to be it! If a girl want to be a beer swigging larger lout then thats her choice, much as I hate to say it! If its a WAG, then so be it, though I dont know how this is considered a 'career' choice!

Feminism was brought about so women could dream of stepping outside the family home, go to college, have a career etc, if she so chose! There are those who wish to stay in the home.

It is the freedom of choice that is important, but it is up to parents, family and friends that both young girls and yound boys dont get stuck in the WAG, POP IDOL and XFACTOR, rut!

[Beastie]

a WAG seems to be "contradicting" feminism though?

[bansheewails]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
a WAG seems to be "contradicting" feminism though?


It has differed greatly over the years! Initially it was to get legal right to vote, to own land, money and property! A woman was once her husband possession!

Its only since the 1960/70 that it has become a hairy, leg, bra burning issue!

Feminism Is about, choice, of lifestyle, freedoms, legal issues!

And that includes the right to be a WAG unfortunately!

:hugesmile:

[Beastie]

but sometimes.. a wag is JUST being married to a footballer.. a RICH man!! so that the wag can spend their husbands money!! thats why i think WAG can sometimes be a contradiction... unless you are like colleen rooney who has actually worked and done a lot..

well she wouldnt be where she is without being with wayne rooney?

so its not like fully independance.. not much risk.. they have a nice lot of money to fall back on...

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by bansheewails



It has differed greatly over the years! Initially it was to get legal right to vote, to own land, money and property! A woman was once her husband possession!

Its only since the 1960/70 that it has become a hairy, leg, bra burning issue!

Feminism Is about, choice, of lifestyle, freedoms, legal issues!

And that includes the right to be a WAG unfortunately!

:hugesmile:

:thumbs: Great post.

[bansheewails]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
but sometimes.. a wag is JUST being married to a footballer.. a RICH man!! so that the wag can spend their husbands money!! thats why i think WAG can sometimes be a contradiction... unless you are like colleen rooney who has actually worked and done a lot..

well she wouldnt be where she is without being with wayne rooney?

so its not like fully independance.. not much risk.. they have a nice lot of money to fall back on...

But in early feminism, Coleen would be fine as a WAG, because it was her choice to marry wanye! Remember in the 1880-1910 ish, a woman could be married off by her father!

Its the 1960/70 feminist would say Coleen sold out!

Me myself, as long as I make my own decisions about everything, then I am a feminist!

:xyxwave:

[bansheewails]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Originally posted by bansheewails



It has differed greatly over the years! Initially it was to get legal right to vote, to own land, money and property! A woman was once her husband possession!

Its only since the 1960/70 that it has become a hairy, leg, bra burning issue!

Feminism Is about, choice, of lifestyle, freedoms, legal issues!

And that includes the right to be a WAG unfortunately!

:hugesmile:

:thumbs: Great post.

Thank You! I still have a very 1980's urge to protest sometimes!
:hugesmile:

[Beastie]

i think you won that debate!

but.. what if a man.. wants to be married to a famous woman who plays tennis?

actually do think that will happen.. a drastic change like that?

[bansheewails]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
i think you won that debate!

but.. what if a man.. wants to be married to a famous woman who plays tennis?

actually do think that will happen.. a drastic change like that?


Lets see, who is Jennifer Lopez's husband? or Mariah Carey? JK Rowling? do i think it will happen? :wink:

Too Late!

:hugesmile:

[Beastie]

who are their husbands?

[Beastie]

but were the husbands famous in their own right before getting with a famous female star!!

im just saying.. can you imagine a man.. whos only goal is to become like a male version of a wag.. and spend his wifes money living in luxury!! and did nothing before hand..

because thats what some of the wags now are like!

[bansheewails]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
who are their husbands?

Thats the point! I haven't a clue, but I do wonder what attracted those men to these multi-millionaire's! It works both ways you know! Men marry rich woman because they are rich too!

:wink:

[bansheewails]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
but were the husbands famous in their own right before getting with a famous female star!!

im just saying.. can you imagine a man.. whos only goal is to become like a male version of a wag.. and spend his wifes money living in luxury!! and did nothing before hand..

because thats what some of the wags now are like!


K-Fed, britneys husband! A backing dancer no one heard of, who was married when he met Britney! of course it hapens, its not just the women who do it! There are male groupies too!

:laugh:

[Beastie]

i know it does.. but i mean wags... are actually known and are in the media circuit!

men who are married to these rich women may have ordinaty jobs or be famous elsewhere?

[Beastie]

oh yeah i know males do it! but women do it more!!

but you seen kevin fed had a job.. some wags didnt have a job to start with?

[Beastie]

im just thinking.. i wonder when the tables will PROPERLY turn.. and than male versions of wags will be in EVERY magazine!

[bansheewails]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
i know it does.. but i mean wags... are actually known and are in the media circuit!

men who are married to these rich women may have ordinaty jobs or be famous elsewhere?

They are out there, but just not talked about as much! Think of all these Male 'Models' that date actresses and singers etc! Do you think they all have contracts? They probably are mad that they dont get the same coverage as the WAGS!

:hugesmile:

[bansheewails]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
oh yeah i know males do it! but women do it more!!

but you seen kevin fed had a job.. some wags didnt have a job to start with?


But they are all models too tho arent they. LOL thats a joke!

[Beastie]

because wags are female!! and it seems females get more media attention than males!

[bansheewails]

Ok I give up! Surrender! I need my bed, was nice talking to you tho! See you tomorrow!

Night Night!

:xyxwave:

[Beastie]

aww sorry! i think i decided to end it with just a simple true statistical statement!

sorry i think i gave up by just saying something simple like that!!

a lot of what you said has been witty, true and informing!!

argh i sound patronising now! sorry!! argh i think people come across worse on the comp!!

goodnight bumble bee!

[Twiggy]

Difference is, Sophie has a lovely personality, Noirin and Bea do not!

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by luminoussun
Women fought for equality and feminists have fought for womens rights for years so women did'nt have to cook clean and sell there body as the only way of earning a living.
Now women have the choice of any job and can be anything they want to be...so it's a bit worrying to find out that most young women would rather be a wag then anything else.
talentless bimbos whos only skill is being good in the bedroom.
They want to leach off a man and spend all day shopping off his money.
glorified prostitutes who hang around clubs just hoping one day some premiership footballer gets drunk enough to pregnate them.

5 years ago sophie would of been voted out for being a slut...But now she is being looked at as a winner??
I fear for the young girls looking up to her saving up for huge plastic tits and thinking it's ok to sleep with a man after 4 days on tv.
ok sophie seems nice but come on for gods sake grow some morals.Don't slag noirin/bea off for being a tart and then praise a porn star

In the best of intentions, 'Feminism' would have been something where the best of femininity is strengthened and encouraged.
Excellence in social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty,
but,
Somehow this 'feminist' movement became an 'antifeminism' movement and the idea was to become like men.
Worse - to match the worst qualities men are known for.
If men are known for congregating and degenerating into foul-language then 'a woman can do it too!',
Men sleep around and even brag about it - then a woman can do that too!
Men like to degenerate into fist-fights.. then watch these women do it to!
and,
even worse - rejecting what were commonly held as 'feminine' traits is somehow a 'win' for this.
Do not have any housekeeping skills
Do not be in charge of raising the babies.
Have no social graces..
Well that is just a general picture of the concept.
It went wrong.
No doubt the quasi-feminist movement has ruined the lives of more women and more families than any other single ideology I can think of right now.

The OP does correctly point to one 'feminine' characteristic that has 'inflated' and been magnified and that is the 'beauty' of women. THAT has been highly celebrated, encouraged, super-charged and fed steroids, botox, plastic bags.
Now the 'ideal female' really is a 'sex object' that has one 'social grace' alone which is getting her way through the hyper-sexual exploitation.
Its almost like 'feminism' has become taking what would be associated as the WORST traits and perfecting them!!

One single mothers..
..Yes, I mean it is certainly true that single motherhood will result in a hugely disproportionate number of crimes and net drains on society.
A lot of them choose that life.
but
I always have to get back to the 'who you don't see' because for every single mum there is, somewhere, a 'single dad' but because he isn't raising the children we don't call him that. But he is as much the problem.
*and of course there are single-mums who are so because of unforseen circumstances, widows etc.
I never know which is which so I cant say who is who.

But yes for sure - Big Brother is now simply reduced to finding the most retarded, sick, dysfunctional, worst of the worst and that includes the female HMs

Ones that are 'good examples' either get voted out or walk out.
Remember Leslie?
I'm not saying you 'loved her personality' but from what I saw there was a good example of a woman who was both a professional success and also still a 'real woman' and in charge of 'feminist' characteristics.
or,
Actually I think Tom would be a good 'role model' for a lot of younger men in the sense he was a hard worker, balanced it with sport and at the same time was mostly respectful of men and women alike.

Hira might have been to cute for most women to identify with as a 'role model' but give her credit for this:
She showed you can use 'maternal' characteristics and social grace in a positive way to win over a valued place in the society.
Never once did she use her smoking hot sleek panther body to do it.
A lot of young women could benefit to have watched that and aimed for that for themselves.

rachel rice was strong though!! and stuck through big brother throughout!!

okay big brother seems a silly example.. but.. is a good role model someone who just "gives up"??

Yeah, I think Rachel was a good example and it was good to see enough voters one-upped Big Brother giving her the win.

I agree Tom went wrong by walking out. I can understand why he did but I think he would have done better to stay in and just show the world he could stay normal, stay positive and live above the circumstances.
yet,
If there could be a 'twist' here it might also be good for a young man to see an example in that too. IF you find all your mates are total fukktards and up to no good and in constant battles then maybe realise you don't need to be involved, unhealthy social circles will bring you down, don't 'throw your pearls before swine' and find positive friends instead.

[Oooo_get_her]

Originally posted by ElProximo

In the best of intentions, 'Feminism' would have been something where the best of femininity is strengthened and encouraged.
Excellence in social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty,
but,
Somehow this 'feminist' movement became an 'antifeminism' movement and the idea was to become like men.

What?? What in the name of coco-pops are you blithering about? Feminism should have been about "social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty"?? Those WERE the things that were celebrated about women before - the problem was they were celebrated at the expense of concepts like women being as intelligent as men, women being able to control their own finances, women being able to live without the 'protection' (read 'control') of a man, etc. Have you no idea of what life was like for women before the 1950's? Don't you realise that the only way for the VAST majority of women in the western world to get on was to latch on to a man. And God help them if they picked the wrong man because there was virtually no way of getting rid of the fecker without becoming a social pariah.

THAT is was feminism was about - women were celebrated and idolised for the things you speak of, but they were also limited to only achieving in those areas.

Originally posted by ElProximo
Worse - to match the worst qualities men are known for.
If men are known for congregating and degenerating into foul-language then 'a woman can do it too!',
Men sleep around and even brag about it - then a woman can do that too!
Men like to degenerate into fist-fights.. then watch these women do it to!
and,
even worse - rejecting what were commonly held as 'feminine' traits is somehow a 'win' for this.
Do not have any housekeeping skills
Do not be in charge of raising the babies.
Have no social graces..


Just not true. You are talking about the very recent and relatively small concept of the 'ladette' - trust me, this is not what most women aspire to be - that's microcosmic to Britain (and perhaps Ireland as a knock on effect of sharing so much media) and even then it is far from universal. I spend a lot of time in the US and I live on the European continent and that is just not mainstream here (or there) at all. You are taking your own expereince (perhaps) and applying it universally, inaccurately.

Originally posted by ElProximo
Well that is just a general picture of the concept.
It went wrong.
No doubt the quasi-feminist movement has ruined the lives of more women and more families than any other single ideology I can think of right now.


I think you must have a very poor outlook on life to believe that and to blame it on feminism. You might as well say that black Americans are to blame for their own social problems and would be better off if they had never left the cotton fields! It's a ridiculous statement.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by Oooo_get_her
Originally posted by ElProximo

In the best of intentions, 'Feminism' would have been something where the best of femininity is strengthened and encouraged.
Excellence in social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty,
but,
Somehow this 'feminist' movement became an 'antifeminism' movement and the idea was to become like men.

What?? What in the name of coco-pops are you blithering about? Feminism should have been about "social graces, celebrating the maternal characteristics, propriety, aesthetic beauty"?? Those WERE the things that were celebrated about women before - the problem was they were celebrated at the expense of concepts like women being as intelligent as men, women being able to control their own finances, women being able to live without the 'protection' (read 'control') of a man, etc. Have you no idea of what life was like for women before the 1950's? Don't you realise that the only way for the VAST majority of women in the western world to get on was to latch on to a man. And God help them if they picked the wrong man because there was virtually no way of getting rid of the fecker without becoming a social pariah.

THAT is was feminism was about - women were celebrated and idolised for the things you speak of, but they were also limited to only achieving in those areas.

Originally posted by ElProximo
Worse - to match the worst qualities men are known for.
If men are known for congregating and degenerating into foul-language then 'a woman can do it too!',
Men sleep around and even brag about it - then a woman can do that too!
Men like to degenerate into fist-fights.. then watch these women do it to!
and,
even worse - rejecting what were commonly held as 'feminine' traits is somehow a 'win' for this.
Do not have any housekeeping skills
Do not be in charge of raising the babies.
Have no social graces..


Just not true. You are talking about the very recent and relatively small concept of the 'ladette' - trust me, this is not what most women aspire to be - that's microcosmic to Britain (and perhaps Ireland as a knock on effect of sharing so much media) and even then it is far from universal. I spend a lot of time in the US and I live on the European continent and that is just not mainstream here (or there) at all. You are taking your own expereince (perhaps) and applying it universally, inaccurately.

Originally posted by ElProximo
Well that is just a general picture of the concept.
It went wrong.
No doubt the quasi-feminist movement has ruined the lives of more women and more families than any other single ideology I can think of right now.


I think you must have a very poor outlook on life to believe that and to blame it on feminism. You might as well say that black Americans are to blame for their own social problems and would be better off if they had never left the cotton fields! It's a ridiculous statement.

A very well stated and intelligent response! I agree with every word! Very well said!!:thumbs: