Panic Attack my arse!!!

[mike888]

Believe me, from someone who suffered panic attacks for years and years, if all my attacks had been like that it wouldn't have screwed up my younger years so much. That was just attention seeking, and for someone who wants to become a politician yet can't handle an insult from a stupid scheming little wannabee Halwit needs to seriously reconsider his ambition. He really needs to toughen up, he's just coming across as a pathetic little wimp at the moment! :mad:

[tremault]

do some more research. panic attacks are different for different people.

[Jarvio]

I agree.
I too have had panic attacks. They can be terrible and when I had my first one I thought I was gonna die, that's how bad they can be. I've had loads more since, but none as bad as my first one.

[Vicky.]

Another doctor here.:rolleyes:

If you had indeed suffered panic attacks for years, and read up on them, you would know there are varying degrees of intensity.

My partner regularly suffer relatively mild ones, but every now and again has a very bad one.

[Patrick]

Hopefully if more people see he was faking he`ll be out

[HarryRag]

Originally posted by mike888
Believe me, from someone who suffered panic attacks for years and years, if all my attacks had been like that it wouldn't have screwed up my younger years so much. That was just attention seeking, and for someone who wants to become a politician yet can't handle an insult from a stupid scheming little wannabee Halwit needs to seriously reconsider his ambition. He really needs to toughen up, he's just coming across as a pathetic little wimp at the moment! :mad:

Dildo your arse

[MissKittyFantastico]

Surely as someone who has suffered from them yourself, you know that there are varying degrees of panic attack and that you can actually control them before they become full blown in some cases?

What Freddie had tonight was at the very least the beginnings of a panic attack, his breathing was all over the place, his body was shaking and he was visibly distressed and unable to speak coherently. All symptoms of an oncoming panic attack at least.

Whose to say he wasn't called to the DR? The HL is edited and when they cut back to him some time later he was lying in bed with his scarf over his eyes. He could have got worse and been called to the diary room for all we know.

[BBmassive]

Originally posted by pmccaff2009
Hopefully if more people see he was faking he`ll be out Dont count on it love ,they have fallen for it ,hook line and sinker

[J-Rock]

OH FFS - enough of these threads please - we've done this to death now...please....pretty please? :yuk:

It's just Freddie-haters getting a little desparate (just a little) :wink:

[tremault]

even big brother asked him the classic questions that all mental health workers would ask (do you feel you have a support network etc). it is obvious that big brother acklnowledged a big issue with his mental health.

[mike888]

Funny how when you hit a raw nerve the insults start flying. Halfwit is just a pathetic wimp who can't even stand up and fight his corner against a stupid girl without breaking down... End Off!!!:dance:

[Kerry]

I've suffered them at all levels for about 18months. From extreme and crying desperatly in bed thinking I was about to die (racing heart, blacking out, dizzyness, fitful, racing mind etc) to looking completely normal in the street but crumbling inside. There really is a vast range of symptoms and they can be very physical. Not just mental. It's the scariest thing I've ever coped with and I'm afraid (much to some peoples disgust) I will always sympathise with people that go through that on ANY level. Even mild anxiety

[tremault]

Originally posted by mike888
Halfwit is just a pathetic wimp who can't even stand up and fight his corner against a stupid girl without breaking down... End Off!!!:dance:
you just described the characteristics of the type of person prone to panic attacks.

panic attacks are borne from feelings of helplessness.

so essentially you are making a very strong case for him having a panic attack.

it seems to me you're just looking for any way to insult freddy. shame on you.

[tig]

I don't think BB should have shown any footage of the "panic attack" to be honest as it looks like they promote peoples illnesses for entertainment. Halfwit looked like he had mental issues (in the nicest possible way) on the footage shown which is not good for the programme, himself, relatives or other housemates.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by Jaye
I've suffered them at all levels for about 18months. From extreme and crying desperatly in bed thinking I was about to die (racing heart, blacking out, dizzyness, fitful, racing mind etc) to looking completely normal in the street but crumbling inside. There really is a vast range of symptoms and they can be very physical. Not just mental. It's the scariest thing I've ever coped with and I'm afraid (much to some peoples disgust) I will always sympathise with people that go through that on ANY level. Even mild anxiety

Sounds like you've been through a lot of the same as I have. :hug:

[HarryRag]

Originally posted by BBmassive
Originally posted by pmccaff2009
Hopefully if more people see he was faking he`ll be out Dont count on it love ,they have fallen for it ,hook line and sinker

did your dad spank you too hard?

[HarryRag]

Originally posted by mike888
Funny how when you hit a raw nerve the insults start flying. Halfwit is just a pathetic wimp who can't even stand up and fight his corner against a stupid girl without breaking down... End Off!!!:dance:

end off what? was that dildo too tight?

[Kerry]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by Jaye
I've suffered them at all levels for about 18months. From extreme and crying desperatly in bed thinking I was about to die (racing heart, blacking out, dizzyness, fitful, racing mind etc) to looking completely normal in the street but crumbling inside. There really is a vast range of symptoms and they can be very physical. Not just mental. It's the scariest thing I've ever coped with and I'm afraid (much to some peoples disgust) I will always sympathise with people that go through that on ANY level. Even mild anxiety

Sounds like you've been through a lot of the same as I have. :hug:


:hug:

Just noticed another thread and thought the same :)

[a_2009]

I missed the highlights but just checked on bb website and saw a video of him with a black scalf over his eyes...is this the 'panic attack' people are referring to??

[BBmassive]

Originally posted by a_2009
I missed the highlights but just checked on bb website and saw a video of him with a black scalf over his eyes...is this the 'panic attack' people are referring to?? Just the tip of the iceberg love :rolleyes:

[a_2009]

Originally posted by BBmassive
Originally posted by a_2009
I missed the highlights but just checked on bb website and saw a video of him with a black scalf over his eyes...is this the 'panic attack' people are referring to?? Just the tip of the iceberg love :rolleyes:

What EXACTLY happened then mate?

From the clip on the website, it looked like he'd got himself rather worked up over Bea. The guy is pretty melodramatic....there's an element of karma

[BBmassive]

Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by BBmassive
Originally posted by a_2009
I missed the highlights but just checked on bb website and saw a video of him with a black scalf over his eyes...is this the 'panic attack' people are referring to?? Just the tip of the iceberg love :rolleyes:

What EXACTLY happened then mate?

From the clip on the website, it looked like he'd got himself rather worked up over Bea. The guy is pretty melodramatic....there's an element of karma He had a """Panic attack """:rolleyes:....It was a near death experience bless him !! Im too pi$$ed off at the load of pity sheep believing him to care anymore ....It will be on in the morning and it used to be on e4 in the afternoon ,not sure if it is this year

[kistar]

Why is everyone feeling sorry for him? Godsake hes such a victim and he was horrible to Bea , he tries to socially engineer situations in his favour.one reason he was so mad at bea was because she wasnt going to nominate david,his plan was to get david out this week by him marcus siavash and bea nominating him,if that isnt a game plan I dont know what is

[Kerry]

I'm not even a Freddie fan. Doesn't mean I don't think he was treat appallingly and was extremely distressed.

[a_2009]

Originally posted by BBmassive
Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by BBmassive
Originally posted by a_2009
I missed the highlights but just checked on bb website and saw a video of him with a black scalf over his eyes...is this the 'panic attack' people are referring to?? Just the tip of the iceberg love :rolleyes:

What EXACTLY happened then mate?

From the clip on the website, it looked like he'd got himself rather worked up over Bea. The guy is pretty melodramatic....there's an element of karma He had a """Panic attack """:rolleyes:....It was a near death experience bless him !! Im too pi$$ed off at the load of pity sheep believing him to care anymore ....It will be on in the morning and it used to be on e4 in the afternoon ,not sure if it is this year

Sweet as, i'll set the tv to record.
His behaviour is getting more and more erratic. He's lost control of the game, and his emotions are quickly following suit. Panick attacks are pretty awful, but there's an element of looking at why you've had the attack. He's emotionally fragile....yet the other week he was laughing in Lisa's face, walking around with an air of superiority, accusing people of having game plans, and to an extent Bea and Charlie have called him up on his behaviour.
I'm not a fan of Bea, but I think she was spot on when she said you need to stop analysing others so much and take a look at yourself. The guys self awareness is very poor for someone who prides himself in reading situations, being a mediator, intelligence etc etc.

[Shasown]

He may have had a panic attack he may not have its down to the individual to make their own decision.

He does have problems communicating with people, he does not have problems verbalising his feelings.

He may be eccentric, he may have dyslexia, he may even have a touch of Aspergers syndrome. Thats between him and his doctor.

He may just be a good actor. He certainly can be dramatic.

Both he and his family knew what he was letting himself in for when he entered BB. He obviously thought he was strong enough to cope with all the various pressures he would come under in the house.

The one thing you have to understand is Endemol cover their butts, if he was in severe distress they would have had him pulled out or someone into him if that was not possible. They have medical personnel monitoring the house at all times.

If he had received medical assistance they would have stated that in the show, as they have done on numerous previous occassions, if only to prevent people making complaints to both CH4 and OfCom.

[LisaFan!]

Originally posted by mike888
Believe me, from someone who suffered panic attacks for years and years, if all my attacks had been like that it wouldn't have screwed up my younger years so much. That was just attention seeking, and for someone who wants to become a politician yet can't handle an insult from a stupid scheming little wannabee Halwit needs to seriously reconsider his ambition. He really needs to toughen up, he's just coming across as a pathetic little wimp at the moment! :mad:
Yep, and thanks for your real-life experiences to provide contrast to the issue.

His attention seeking was pathetic, he decided to use his DR crocodile tears and his 'panic attack' at poor Bea to gain pathetic sympathy votes.

Any HM that simultaenously boosts Lisa's popularity and dimishes Halfwit's (mediocre, apart from biased nerdy forums) popularity, gains my gratifications. She is entertaining though.

Bea's had to endure 3 days of her mind being utterly fcuked over by Halfwit, who has pounded her to death with the same topic over and over, and the same over-analysing babble. Awful.

He's refused to leave her alone upon kind request, and in the end she had no choice but to get totally drained and distressed by it.

His solution was his crocodile tears in the DR and his 'panic attack' for being called negative.

If he can't hack the SHOCK HORROR of being called 'negative' (LOL!), why dish it out?

Bea doesn't get sympathy because she's not crazy and doesn't have a 'panic attack'?

Nonsense. :puzzled:

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by LisaFan!
Originally posted by mike888
Believe me, from someone who suffered panic attacks for years and years, if all my attacks had been like that it wouldn't have screwed up my younger years so much. That was just attention seeking, and for someone who wants to become a politician yet can't handle an insult from a stupid scheming little wannabee Halwit needs to seriously reconsider his ambition. He really needs to toughen up, he's just coming across as a pathetic little wimp at the moment! :mad:
Yep, and thanks for your real-life experiences to provide contrast to the issue.

His attention seeking was pathetic, he decided to use his DR crocodile tears and his 'panic attack' at poor Bea to gain pathetic sympathy votes.

Any HM that simultaenously boosts Lisa's popularity and dimishes Halfwit's (mediocre, apart from biased nerdy forums) popularity, gains my gratifications. She is entertaining though.

Bea's had to endure 3 days of her mind being utterly fcuked over by Halfwit, who has pounded her to death with the same topic over and over, and the same over-analysing babble. Awful.

He's refused to leave her alone upon kind request, and in the end she had no choice but to get totally drained and distressed by it.

His solution was his crocodile tears in the DR and his 'panic attack' for being called negative.

If he can't hack the SHOCK HORROR of being called 'negative' (LOL!), why dish it out?

Bea doesn't get sympathy because she's not crazy and doesn't have a 'panic attack'?

Nonsense. :puzzled:

I like the way you have picked on the post where someone who has suffered with panic attacks disputes the fact that Freddie had one tonight when all over the board there are people like myself who also suffer with them and other anxiety issues, who have stated that what they saw with Freddie could very much BE called a panic attack or severe state of anxiety at least.

As usual you are picking the posts that suit your POV and ignoring other people who disagree with you.

How convenient yet again.

[Vicky.]

LOL there Are other examples of people using personal experiences to explain freddies behaviour. Why pick up on the ONLY one that says it was not a panic attack. Ahmedfan you are ridiculous beyond belief :bigsmile:

[The_Long_Run]

Freddie showed all the symptoms of a panic attack. He is an intelligent man who was tryin to compute conflicting data comin into his head. I was not just Bea. We saw him having a very supportive conversation with Siavash at the bus-stop at the end of which he thanked Siavash for his support. Subject to the edit, and we don't know what interval there was in this, Freddie went to the bedroom and Marcus followed him in to say 'Don't trust Siavash" Freddie is asking himself who can I trust. On Fag-gate night, Marcus did the same trick saying 'don't trust Bea' and without telling where it came from Freddie began demonstrating to her that he didn't trust her and telling her she was whingey and moany.

Marcus has been a very bad influence on Freddie (deliberately) and has removed the support structures upon which Freddie was relying.

Yes Freddie had a panic attack and most people seem able to accept that at face value. However, Bea was also clearly in mental distress at the sudden change in attitde that she had encountered from Freddie. She was not attackig him wilfully and vindictively, she was trying to understand the situation and telling Freddie off for the way he was treating her.

Bea HAS seen what Marcus has been up to, sadly Freddie is believing Marcus when he tells him you can't trust ANYONE exept me. Freddie's mind is trying to rationalise inputs he is receiving that conflict with that INSTRUCTION from Marcus. Of course he is hit with a panic attack when is brain says 'does not compute' and he goes round and round in circles trying to make sense of it. The only way to make sense of it is trust everyone EXCEPT Marcus!

[mike888]

My my thanks for all the interesting posts both positive and negative (dont worry I've got tablets to control the attacks if need be) :laugh: Just 2 points to finish off with, if you've never suffered a panic attack then dont pretend to be an authority on them. I dont believe even qualified medical professionals know exactly what sufferers go through if they have never experienced it for themselves, I'm damn sure mine didnt. Secondly if there is a doubt about Freddie's mental condition then surely he should be assessed by a GP in order to see if he is fit enough to remain in the house. Its up to BB to look after the well being of all the housemates. Thanks again folks..... night :sleep:

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by tremault
do some more research. panic attacks are different for different people.

You need to do some research. In fact 'panic attacks' are not that different between people.
I wonder if the people who are saying 'Its different for everyone!' are actually just saying that in a sort of 'bluff' or assumption that it will be true.

Urinating is different for different people. That is about as sensible a claim too.
Yes, well I guess we all urinate 'differently' but the fact is that we all pee because of and in the same physiological ways each time.

Same for 'panic attacks'. Its the same thing for everyone.

[arista]

Originally posted by mike888
Believe me, from someone who suffered panic attacks for years and years, if all my attacks had been like that it wouldn't have screwed up my younger years so much. That was just attention seeking, and for someone who wants to become a politician yet can't handle an insult from a stupid scheming little wannabee Halwit needs to seriously reconsider his ambition. He really needs to toughen up, he's just coming across as a pathetic little wimp at the moment! :mad:



That is a Great Case for his Eviction
this friday.


Bea needs to Lay more into him
it will do him good in the long run.

[mcka]

Originally posted by Jaye
I've suffered them at all levels for about 18months. From extreme and crying desperatly in bed thinking I was about to die (racing heart, blacking out, dizzyness, fitful, racing mind etc) to looking completely normal in the street but crumbling inside. There really is a vast range of symptoms and they can be very physical. Not just mental. It's the scariest thing I've ever coped with and I'm afraid (much to some peoples disgust) I will always sympathise with people that go through that on ANY level. Even mild anxiety
Only true anxiety and panic attack sufferers would know this. :hug:

I hear you it's sounds pretty much like myself. And yes... I also sympathise with people too at ANY level of this illness...

[mcka]

Originally posted by Jaye
I've suffered them at all levels for about 18months. From extreme and crying desperatly in bed thinking I was about to die (racing heart, blacking out, dizzyness, fitful, racing mind etc) to looking completely normal in the street but crumbling inside. There really is a vast range of symptoms and they can be very physical. Not just mental. It's the scariest thing I've ever coped with and I'm afraid (much to some peoples disgust) I will always sympathise with people that go through that on ANY level. Even mild anxiety
Only true anxiety and panic attack sufferers would know this. :hug:

I hear you it's sounds pretty much like myself. And yes... I also sympathise with people too at ANY level of this illness...

[tas666]

Originally posted by mike888
Believe me, from someone who suffered panic attacks for years and years, if all my attacks had been like that it wouldn't have screwed up my younger years so much. That was just attention seeking, and for someone who wants to become a politician yet can't handle an insult from a stupid scheming little wannabee Halwit needs to seriously reconsider his ambition. He really needs to toughen up, he's just coming across as a pathetic little wimp at the moment! :mad:

Anyone that knows me knows I don't like Freddie, but last nights highlights were gross. I think Freddie really couldn't handle the venom of Bea. I actually felt sorry for him, Bea had no reason to rip him apart like she did. She's a first class two faced biatch!! She quietly ripped him apart. Remember he loved her... it was the ultimate betrayel hence his reaction. My vote will be for marcus tonight the house would be a duller place without him.

[Entervoice]

Originally posted by tremault
do some more research. panic attacks are different for different people. True

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by Entervoice
Originally posted by tremault
do some more research. panic attacks are different for different people. True

False.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by Entervoice
Originally posted by tremault
do some more research. panic attacks are different for different people. True

False.

^^Bollox

They are different for different people, and even for the same person they can have varying degrees of intensity.

[smellthecoffee]

There really are some sick individuals on this board. It seems that the result of this gameshow and the desire to 'up' your favourite by putting down the others at all costs trancends even basic levels of human decency and compassion. Thats a prety grim state of affairs...go you :nono:

[*mazedsalv**]

I think it was more of a mini breakdown rather than a panic attack, but people deal with panic attacks in different ways so who knows, and the method he was using to calm himself down was one that someone from anger management calms themselves down, Im not saying he used to go to anger managment classes, but it could be likely as you can tell in pervious arguments he manages to keep calm.

[rsefitpro2009]

What ever anyone says about Freddie, positive or negative, their is no denying that he has been the talking point of this years Big Brother!

[k1ck3m0n]

Originally posted by smellthecoffee
There really are some sick individuals on this board. It seems that the result of this gameshow and the desire to 'up' your favourite by putting down the others at all costs trancends even basic levels of human decency and compassion. Thats a prety grim state of affairs...go you :nono:
agreed. :xyxwave:

[Combo]

Originally posted by rsefitpro2009
What ever anyone says about Freddie, positive or negative, their is no denying that he has been the talking point of this years Big Brother!

Agreed.

[Zien]

Originally posted by mike888
Believe me, from someone who suffered panic attacks for years and years, if all my attacks had been like that it wouldn't have screwed up my younger years so much. That was just attention seeking, and for someone who wants to become a politician yet can't handle an insult from a stupid scheming little wannabee Halwit needs to seriously reconsider his ambition. He really needs to toughen up, he's just coming across as a pathetic little wimp at the moment! :mad:

Wow the freak is soooo suitable to be a politician. Creepy, slimey and totally untrustworthy. He would fit in well with the other politicians

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by Entervoice
Originally posted by tremault
do some more research. panic attacks are different for different people. True

False.

^^Bollox

They are different for different people, and even for the same person they can have varying degrees of intensity.

In a previous post I compared this to saying "Urination is different for different people'.
Well wonderful!
You would probably add to that "Bollox. there is also different degrees of urination intensity'.

Well researched and well understood:
Panic Response, similar to many other human physiological responses like 'Laughing' or 'Yawning' or 'cold temperature response' are UNIVERSAL for all living human beings.
Yes.
This is not a 'who knows' debate but you only need to:
- be subject to panic attacks (which are not really 'attacks') for a decade,
- spend years studying this physiological miracle
- meet and eventually counsel hundreds of people who experienced these.

Again, you can go ahead and say 'well its different for everyone',
but,
what you have said is as helpful as saying 'digesting food is different for everyone,
or
"well laughing is different for everyone"
or
"well how the body responds to cold temperatures is different for everyone".
Well wonderful. what a great insight.
Meanwhile - all of those things are most definitely going to follow the same principles in all humans.
They are not 'randomly sorted' or to be believed that one person might digest solids in their kidney,
while another squirts insulin on his birthday,
yet another might urinate gasses.

One of THE most fascinating things a new person will encounter the first time they hear detailed testimonies from others in group:
How not only are the physiological symptoms largely the same but even how SPECIFIC thoughts, sometimes even word-for-word the self-talk is between them and others and how exactly identical so many 'interpretations' are between different people.
Which is massively helpful as (for example) they believed that nobody else ever looked at a kitchen knife on the counter and had a scary thought "what if I picked that up and cut myself",
yet,
20 other 'panic attack sufferers' had word-for-word identical thoughts.

Anyways.. I wish you would stop posting deliberately stupid antagonisms at me.
I know you wont but I can dream cant I?

[craigie2405]

mike888 Male - I agree mate

Ive worked in a hospital and a care home, that wasnt a F**cing panic attack....

the guy is now attention seeking coz he knows he was in the f**ckin wrong..

hope he goes on Friday, if he doesn't we will need to cringe for another few weeks :(

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by Entervoice
Originally posted by tremault
do some more research. panic attacks are different for different people. True

False.

^^Bollox

They are different for different people, and even for the same person they can have varying degrees of intensity.

In a previous post I compared this to saying "Urination is different for different people'.
Well wonderful!
You would probably add to that "Bollox. there is also different degrees of urination intensity'.

Well researched and well understood:
Panic Response, similar to many other human physiological responses like 'Laughing' or 'Yawning' or 'cold temperature response' are UNIVERSAL for all living human beings.
Yes.
This is not a 'who knows' debate but you only need to:
- be subject to panic attacks (which are not really 'attacks') for a decade,
- spend years studying this physiological miracle
- meet and eventually counsel hundreds of people who experienced these.

Again, you can go ahead and say 'well its different for everyone',
but,
what you have said is as helpful as saying 'digesting food is different for everyone,
or
"well laughing is different for everyone"
or
"well how the body responds to cold temperatures is different for everyone".
Well wonderful. what a great insight.
Meanwhile - all of those things are most definitely going to follow the same principles in all humans.
They are not 'randomly sorted' or to be believed that one person might digest solids in their kidney,
while another squirts insulin on his birthday,
yet another might urinate gasses.

One of THE most fascinating things a new person will encounter the first time they hear detailed testimonies from others in group:
How not only are the physiological symptoms largely the same but even how SPECIFIC thoughts, sometimes even word-for-word the self-talk is between them and others and how exactly identical so many 'interpretations' are between different people.
Which is massively helpful as (for example) they believed that nobody else ever looked at a kitchen knife on the counter and had a scary thought "what if I picked that up and cut myself",
yet,
20 other 'panic attack sufferers' had word-for-word identical thoughts.

Anyways.. I wish you would stop posting deliberately stupid antagonisms at me.
I know you wont but I can dream cant I?

I cant be bothered to read another one of your ridiculously long and usually bullshit filled posts, so answer me this one question. If they are not different for different people, how come some people dont even realise they take them, until afterwards when they are diagnosed, because they are so mild, and others feel like they are having a heart attack? How come some people merely get breathing problems whilst others visibly suffocate? How come some people vomit during, and others dont? Come on mr expert...lets hear you contradict my partners GP :rolleyes:

[Kazanne]

Originally posted by mike888
Believe me, from someone who suffered panic attacks for years and years, if all my attacks had been like that it wouldn't have screwed up my younger years so much. That was just attention seeking, and for someone who wants to become a politician yet can't handle an insult from a stupid scheming little wannabee Halwit needs to seriously reconsider his ambition. He really needs to toughen up, he's just coming across as a pathetic little wimp at the moment! :mad:

Being as you like to talk analy,YOU are talking a load of crap,my dad is a doctor and panic attacks are NOT the same in everyone,they can vary in symtoms,I suggest before you spout off your lack of medical knowledge you look it up.as for Freddie being a wimp,rather a wimp,than a verbally abusive person:pat:

[Luanda]

He does not have Aspergers - He engages, looks people in the eye and can empathise.

He did not have a panic attack - He felt anxious and wanted some attention by saying he was having a panic attack.

He has no inner resources to sustain himself after Bea gave him some straight talking.

In conclusion he has a paperthin personality and uses his perceived intelligence to gain authority. When that authority is challenged and broken down he has nothing to fall back on. Hence the pathetic performance last night.

[BB22]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by Entervoice
Originally posted by tremault
do some more research. panic attacks are different for different people. True

False.

^^Bollox

They are different for different people, and even for the same person they can have varying degrees of intensity.

In a previous post I compared this to saying "Urination is different for different people'.
Well wonderful!
You would probably add to that "Bollox. there is also different degrees of urination intensity'.

Well researched and well understood:
Panic Response, similar to many other human physiological responses like 'Laughing' or 'Yawning' or 'cold temperature response' are UNIVERSAL for all living human beings.
Yes.
This is not a 'who knows' debate but you only need to:
- be subject to panic attacks (which are not really 'attacks') for a decade,
- spend years studying this physiological miracle
- meet and eventually counsel hundreds of people who experienced these.

Again, you can go ahead and say 'well its different for everyone',
but,
what you have said is as helpful as saying 'digesting food is different for everyone,
or
"well laughing is different for everyone"
or
"well how the body responds to cold temperatures is different for everyone".
Well wonderful. what a great insight.
Meanwhile - all of those things are most definitely going to follow the same principles in all humans.
They are not 'randomly sorted' or to be believed that one person might digest solids in their kidney,
while another squirts insulin on his birthday,
yet another might urinate gasses.

One of THE most fascinating things a new person will encounter the first time they hear detailed testimonies from others in group:
How not only are the physiological symptoms largely the same but even how SPECIFIC thoughts, sometimes even word-for-word the self-talk is between them and others and how exactly identical so many 'interpretations' are between different people.
Which is massively helpful as (for example) they believed that nobody else ever looked at a kitchen knife on the counter and had a scary thought "what if I picked that up and cut myself",
yet,
20 other 'panic attack sufferers' had word-for-word identical thoughts.

Anyways.. I wish you would stop posting deliberately stupid antagonisms at me.
I know you wont but I can dream cant I?

I cant be bothered to read another one of your ridiculously long and usually bullshit filled posts, so answer me this one question. If they are not different for different people, how come some people dont even realise they take them, until afterwards when they are diagnosed, because they are so mild, and others feel like they are having a heart attack? How come some people merely get breathing problems whilst others visibly suffocate? How come some people vomit during, and others dont? Come on mr expert...lets hear you contradict my partners GP :rolleyes:

Following a lengthy post the other day "analysing" Marcus' relationship with his "abusive father" I did ask ElProximo for information regarding his competence and professional qualifications.

Unfortunately he has not yet provided it.

Normally I would not ask but I have noticed that ElProximo often posts in a manner suggesting he has a certain professional competence in psychology, greater than the general observations of a layman, so I think it is worth clarifying.

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by Entervoice
Originally posted by tremault
do some more research. panic attacks are different for different people. True

False.

^^Bollox

They are different for different people, and even for the same person they can have varying degrees of intensity.

In a previous post I compared this to saying "Urination is different for different people'.
Well wonderful!
You would probably add to that "Bollox. there is also different degrees of urination intensity'.

Well researched and well understood:
Panic Response, similar to many other human physiological responses like 'Laughing' or 'Yawning' or 'cold temperature response' are UNIVERSAL for all living human beings.
Yes.
This is not a 'who knows' debate but you only need to:
- be subject to panic attacks (which are not really 'attacks') for a decade,
- spend years studying this physiological miracle
- meet and eventually counsel hundreds of people who experienced these.

Again, you can go ahead and say 'well its different for everyone',
but,
what you have said is as helpful as saying 'digesting food is different for everyone,
or
"well laughing is different for everyone"
or
"well how the body responds to cold temperatures is different for everyone".
Well wonderful. what a great insight.
Meanwhile - all of those things are most definitely going to follow the same principles in all humans.
They are not 'randomly sorted' or to be believed that one person might digest solids in their kidney,
while another squirts insulin on his birthday,
yet another might urinate gasses.

One of THE most fascinating things a new person will encounter the first time they hear detailed testimonies from others in group:
How not only are the physiological symptoms largely the same but even how SPECIFIC thoughts, sometimes even word-for-word the self-talk is between them and others and how exactly identical so many 'interpretations' are between different people.
Which is massively helpful as (for example) they believed that nobody else ever looked at a kitchen knife on the counter and had a scary thought "what if I picked that up and cut myself",
yet,
20 other 'panic attack sufferers' had word-for-word identical thoughts.

Anyways.. I wish you would stop posting deliberately stupid antagonisms at me.
I know you wont but I can dream cant I?

I cant be bothered to read another one of your ridiculously long and usually bullshit filled posts, so answer me this one question. If they are not different for different people, how come some people dont even realise they take them, until afterwards when they are diagnosed, because they are so mild, and others feel like they are having a heart attack? How come some people merely get breathing problems whilst others visibly suffocate? How come some people vomit during, and others dont? Come on mr expert...lets hear you contradict my partners GP :rolleyes:

I find you are often confused about what exactly you think you are 'arguing for or against'.
This means I have to rework your 'objection' so that it becomes something sensible.
Anyways,

You bet - plenty of people do NOT know what is happening to them. No doubt about that!
People very often interpret the physiological responses as 'having heartburn' to 'had too much coffee' to the ever famous conviction they are experiencing a heart attack.
What about that?
Why do you think that is some sort of evidence against anything I have told you?

Fact: There are varying degrees (and I said this before) of intensity of various responses.
YOU are not 'refuting' anything by suggesting that and YOU are only making arguments FOR what Im telling you.
Example:
As hypothermia sets in, everyone will eventually begin to shiver. For some people that will be one of the first and most efficient responses they have.
Everyone will get 'goosebumps' in the cascade of responses but for some it will be one of the last and least noticeable responses.

In a 'panic response' everyone will experience blood leaving their abdomen and going to their limbs.
For some people that will be one of their most efficient and best working most noticeable responses,
and
In panic response everyone gets the 'short shallow rapid' breathing but for some it will be one of their most efficient responses.
It might be that they happen to have poor lung power for a completely different reason (developed bronchitis, smoke a lot ect) and they then find that response (which all panicked people get) will have the 'biggest toll' on them later.

So again, you are saying 'different' in a way that is unhelpful and doesn't even mean anything.
Different degrees?
Yes.. so what is that arguing for or against?
I sweat profusely from my forehead when I am very hot.
So?
Do you think your GP is going to write a paper saying that we have a new discovery - perspiration is 'different' for different people.
Huh?

I swear I would hate to be your husband as you never seem to 'get' what is going on and try and back in confused objections into incorrect spots.
Its bizarre.
Ask him about 'cognitive dissonance' one day too.

[fredrica]

Panic attacks will be different to each person.

Therefore each person having one will react in a different manner.

[dnt1234]

AM NOT A FREDDIE FAN, but no-one shd go through what hes going through. WELL ITS EASY FOR YOU TO JUST SIT ON YOUR ASS AND CALL HIM A WIMP COZ YOUR WATCHING.
Remember hes on the receiving end of all this and all he wanted was to clear it up with bea but she keeps going at him.
Its like your galfriend cheating on your and publicly humiliating you.
~And with almost everyone against you, thats a real heavy load on any human being.

SO DONT TRY TO FOOL US ALL WITH THIS STUPID TOUGH GUY IMAGE. GROW UP THIS AINT HIGH SCHOOL.

all of us do have feelings. Freddie is going through hell coz that beatch keeps playing with his mind. yes hes not that clever and hes too trusting.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by Entervoice
Originally posted by tremault
do some more research. panic attacks are different for different people. True

False.

^^Bollox

They are different for different people, and even for the same person they can have varying degrees of intensity.

In a previous post I compared this to saying "Urination is different for different people'.
Well wonderful!
You would probably add to that "Bollox. there is also different degrees of urination intensity'.

Well researched and well understood:
Panic Response, similar to many other human physiological responses like 'Laughing' or 'Yawning' or 'cold temperature response' are UNIVERSAL for all living human beings.
Yes.
This is not a 'who knows' debate but you only need to:
- be subject to panic attacks (which are not really 'attacks') for a decade,
- spend years studying this physiological miracle
- meet and eventually counsel hundreds of people who experienced these.

Again, you can go ahead and say 'well its different for everyone',
but,
what you have said is as helpful as saying 'digesting food is different for everyone,
or
"well laughing is different for everyone"
or
"well how the body responds to cold temperatures is different for everyone".
Well wonderful. what a great insight.
Meanwhile - all of those things are most definitely going to follow the same principles in all humans.
They are not 'randomly sorted' or to be believed that one person might digest solids in their kidney,
while another squirts insulin on his birthday,
yet another might urinate gasses.

One of THE most fascinating things a new person will encounter the first time they hear detailed testimonies from others in group:
How not only are the physiological symptoms largely the same but even how SPECIFIC thoughts, sometimes even word-for-word the self-talk is between them and others and how exactly identical so many 'interpretations' are between different people.
Which is massively helpful as (for example) they believed that nobody else ever looked at a kitchen knife on the counter and had a scary thought "what if I picked that up and cut myself",
yet,
20 other 'panic attack sufferers' had word-for-word identical thoughts.

Anyways.. I wish you would stop posting deliberately stupid antagonisms at me.
I know you wont but I can dream cant I?

I cant be bothered to read another one of your ridiculously long and usually bullshit filled posts, so answer me this one question. If they are not different for different people, how come some people dont even realise they take them, until afterwards when they are diagnosed, because they are so mild, and others feel like they are having a heart attack? How come some people merely get breathing problems whilst others visibly suffocate? How come some people vomit during, and others dont? Come on mr expert...lets hear you contradict my partners GP :rolleyes:

I find you are often confused about what exactly you think you are 'arguing for or against'.
This means I have to rework your 'objection' so that it becomes something sensible.
Anyways,

You bet - plenty of people do NOT know what is happening to them. No doubt about that!
People very often interpret the physiological responses as 'having heartburn' to 'had too much coffee' to the ever famous conviction they are experiencing a heart attack.
What about that?
Why do you think that is some sort of evidence against anything I have told you?

Fact: There are varying degrees (and I said this before) of intensity of various responses.
YOU are not 'refuting' anything by suggesting that and YOU are only making arguments FOR what Im telling you.
Example:
As hypothermia sets in, everyone will eventually begin to shiver. For some people that will be one of the first and most efficient responses they have.
Everyone will get 'goosebumps' in the cascade of responses but for some it will be one of the last and least noticeable responses.

In a 'panic response' everyone will experience blood leaving their abdomen and going to their limbs.
For some people that will be one of their most efficient and best working most noticeable responses,
and
In panic response everyone gets the 'short shallow rapid' breathing but for some it will be one of their most efficient responses.
It might be that they happen to have poor lung power for a completely different reason (developed bronchitis, smoke a lot ect) and they then find that response (which all panicked people get) will have the 'biggest toll' on them later.

So again, you are saying 'different' in a way that is unhelpful and doesn't even mean anything.
Different degrees?
Yes.. so what is that arguing for or against?
I sweat profusely from my forehead when I am very hot.
So?
Do you think your GP is going to write a paper saying that we have a new discovery - perspiration is 'different' for different people.
Huh?

I swear I would hate to be your husband as you never seem to 'get' what is going on and try and back in confused objections into incorrect spots.
Its bizarre.
Ask him about 'cognitive dissonance' one day too.

More bollox, as I thought, nothing explained in english, just twisted as usual.

I do 'get' what is going on just fine thank you. Just i have a total opposite view to you. And I am never going to believe your ridiculous attempt at twisting everything over what I was told from my partners GP. Who is qualified, where you are not.

[ElProximo]

Just i have a total opposite view to you.


Really?
Would you like to state your 'view' and then show where it is 'opposite' to a view I have given you?

No. Really. Do not even attempt that.
Thx.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by ElProximo

Just i have a total opposite view to you.


Really?
Would you like to state your 'view' and then show where it is 'opposite' to a view I have given you?

No. Really. Do not even attempt that.
Thx.


I already have. Check my post history. I dont like repeating myself over and over. like some.

[Luanda]

There is a difference between a panic attack and having a bout of anxiety. Two very different occurrences with similar symptoms. You do not get a mild panic atack, it is unmistakable to the person experiencing it and to onlookers. Those who do not know they are having a panic attack until after the event and diagnosis merely don't know what they are experiencing. A bout of anxiety is simply a feeling of anxiety brought on by a situation. This is what was happening to Halfwit, he behaved like a clown.

My friend has had panic attacks for 30 years and I've seen him have many and believe me no one is in any doubt when one occurs. Halfwits so-called panic attack was in fact a weak man behaving like a big baby because he was challenged with some home truths which he couldn't argue against.

Stop over dramatising something that didn't occur.

[camertone]

freddie is a whiny little girl!

[Shasown]

Originally posted by ElProximo

In a 'panic response' everyone will experience blood leaving their abdomen and going to their limbs.


Obviously no medical training then.

As panic creates the release of hormones the body goes into a flight or fight mode, the blood is actually diverted away from the digestive system as the survival response is "wont need to digest anything if i die".

The blood is then pooled in the central core where it is enriched with oxygen ready to either run or fight, the blood flow to the limbs is affected only in that the blood going to it is slightly more oxygen rich.

The heart rate and BP is raised and the breathing rate is increased simply to get more oxygen into the body ready for a burst of intense action. CO2 is flushed from the lungs during the panting. This will affect blood PH and create light headedness etc, detachment from reality etc.

In a panic attack, these actions become amplified with no outburst of energy , the panting creates hyperventilation in the lungs leading to dizziness, disorientation etc, this further exasperates the release of hormones creating a vicious cycle.

Blood in the limbs is returned back to the central core by muscular action on the veins, because movement has been reduced, there is often a pooling of blood in the extremities. This further exaccerbates the symproms of hypervolemic shock the body is suffering from.

[Marc]

oh no.. yo' ass had a panic attack?

[dnt1234]

Originally posted by camertone
freddie is a whiny little girl!


you shd know, coz your profile pic sure looks like one

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by ElProximo

In a 'panic response' everyone will experience blood leaving their abdomen and going to their limbs.


Obviously no medical training then.

As panic creates the release of hormones the body goes into a flight or fight mode, the blood is actually diverted away from the digestive system as the survival response is "wont need to digest anything if i die".

The blood is then pooled in the central core where it is enriched with oxygen ready to either run or fight, the blood flow to the limbs is affected only in that the blood going to it is slightly more oxygen rich.

The heart rate and BP is raised and the breathing rate is increased simply to get more oxygen into the body ready for a burst of intense action. CO2 is flushed from the lungs during the panting. This will affect blood PH and create light headedness etc, detachment from reality etc.

In a panic attack, these actions become amplified with no outburst of energy , the panting creates hyperventilation in the lungs leading to dizziness, disorientation etc, this further exasperates the release of hormones creating a vicious cycle.

Nope, I did not know that much about the details and all you have done is given a much more detailed and technical description of my correct and accurate 'common language' or 'laymans' description of what happens.
So really thanks for verifying what I was saying in more details and confirming I do most definitely know what I'm talking about.
Seriously.. that is what you did here and I actually do appreciate it.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by ElProximo

In a 'panic response' everyone will experience blood leaving their abdomen and going to their limbs.


Obviously no medical training then.

As panic creates the release of hormones the body goes into a flight or fight mode, the blood is actually diverted away from the digestive system as the survival response is "wont need to digest anything if i die".

The blood is then pooled in the central core where it is enriched with oxygen ready to either run or fight, the blood flow to the limbs is affected only in that the blood going to it is slightly more oxygen rich.

The heart rate and BP is raised and the breathing rate is increased simply to get more oxygen into the body ready for a burst of intense action. CO2 is flushed from the lungs during the panting. This will affect blood PH and create light headedness etc, detachment from reality etc.

In a panic attack, these actions become amplified with no outburst of energy , the panting creates hyperventilation in the lungs leading to dizziness, disorientation etc, this further exasperates the release of hormones creating a vicious cycle.

Have you been on the internet then - looking up Panic Attacks?

You have simply described what a panic attack is! You have not proved that Freddie suffered a panic attack!

You have not - and are unable to diagnose that Freddie had a panic attack! So your point is what exactly!

[Marzy]

Originally posted by mike888
Believe me, from someone who suffered panic attacks for years and years, if all my attacks had been like that it wouldn't have screwed up my younger years so much. That was just attention seeking, and for someone who wants to become a politician yet can't handle an insult from a stupid scheming little wannabee Halwit needs to seriously reconsider his ambition. He really needs to toughen up, he's just coming across as a pathetic little wimp at the moment! :mad:

Absolute Bull***t. My daughter get's them, sometimes very mild and sometimes very intense. It all boils down the degree of anxiety and stress at the time.

Freddie has had to endure years of endless discrimination because of his slight afflications which people including the housemates love to pick up on.

Luckily for Freddie he has learnt some very good techniques for combating stress and frustration, hence his deep breathing which annoys a lot of viewers, but only because they are too stupid to realise he does this to calm himself down.

Love Freddie!!:hug:

[Kazanne]

Originally posted by mike888
Believe me, from someone who suffered panic attacks for years and years, if all my attacks had been like that it wouldn't have screwed up my younger years so much. That was just attention seeking, and for someone who wants to become a politician yet can't handle an insult from a stupid scheming little wannabee Halwit needs to seriously reconsider his ambition. He really needs to toughen up, he's just coming across as a pathetic little wimp at the moment! :mad:

It is easy for you to say that,YOU are not in that house and on the receiving end and forced to be with people like that,freddie is far from a wimp ,imo,it takes a real man to cry,but i guess some wouldn't know that would they?

[Shasown]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
You have not - and are unable to diagnose that Freddie had a panic attack! So your point is what exactly!

Simply to explain what happens during a panic attack.

Personally I think for a variety of reasons that he was in fact faking it for sympathy. I wasnt there at the time, so i can only go off what evidence was available to me on the TV, including avalaible history, recovery etc.

And no it wasnt looked for on the internet, i have a little experience in that sort of field.

The duty medical staff at the studio would have made a call whether to intervene or not, in this case it looks as if they didnt intervene, Endemol normally inform the audience during the program ......... received treatment by on site staff. Thats their call not mine.