Panic attacks explained....

[The_Long_Run]

I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

[ElProximo]

Yes, well I already explained this earlier and for some inexplicable reason it made several people very upset and argumentative. I have yet to comprehend why so many people feel the need to challenge and argue about this topic.
(well.. i have some suspicions but ok),
and,
yes, that is an excellent page and probably the only thing I would want to emphasize is that there is no 'attack'. A person is NOT being 'attacked'. They are having a 'fight or flight' response to what they perceive as a threat to their safety.
Believing this is an 'attack' is what then has people 'panicking' about having the next 'panic attack' (vicious cycle type of thing).

I did watch the extended version of the incident(s) and just about spit out my tea laughing at Freddys classic line 'Your voice is giving me a panic attack' lmfao!
Classic!

[BBmassive]

OMFG !!!!!!!!! Pete Burns/tourettes all over again ,IF we had any interest in panic attacks we would search them ourselves :sleep::sleep:

[Vicky.]

Elproximo...that had absolutely nothing to do with what you were wafling on about :rolleyes:

[fredrica]

Originally posted by BBmassive
OMFG !!!!!!!!! Pete Burns/tourettes all over again ,IF we had any interest in panic attacks we would search them ourselves :sleep::sleep:

No it is not however when someone is hurting you don't laugh at them, well I don't anyway.

Panic attacks are horrible and they make you feel you cannot deal with anything.
If somone is constantly attacking you verbally you cannot make a response you become petrified and numb. It is an horrendous experience.;)

[CaudleHalbard]

Thanks for the link. Having read it, it does not sound to me as if Freddie fits the profile of someone prone to panic attacks.

So I doubt whether it does anything to resolve the controversy. If anything it may lend weight to those who feel this was not actually a panic attack.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?

[Rob!]

To be fair, once Halfwit told Bea she was having a panic attack, she left the room and told Marcus to go and calm him down. So, it's not as if she's THAT heartless...

[Cybele]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?

I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.

[fredrica]

Originally posted by RobInnes
To be fair, once Halfwit told Bea she was having a panic attack, she left the room and told Marcus to go and calm him down. So, it's not as if she's THAT heartless...

The mere fact that she had caused another hm to have a panic attack is enough for me.

What concerned me was when she went back into the room and told Freddie she did not say the things he had said she did.

His answer was that it would be on film and that she did say it.
This was afterwards by the way.

[Claymores]

He had an idiot attack - the clear symptoms are when a girl you've serenaded and stalked and told the viewers could be an item outwith the house has to move beds to get away from you.

[ElProximo]

"Your voice gives me a panic attack" ... oh man.. that has to go down as an all-time classic.

Laughing and Crying are something like 'mirror' physiological responses.
In a similar (but not exact) way, anger and panic share a lot of the same 'routes' and physiological responses and 'symptoms'.
Freddy was what we just simply call 'becoming enraged'. He was becoming very very angry.
I guess you can say that this has a lot in common with what we call a 'panic attack'.
Its something like the 'Fight' without the 'Flight'.

Aggressiveness, rage, anger, fury, and Bea makes it worse when she says things like:
"you just can't admit it because you want to believe you don't cause trouble".
This is just a thing of malevolent beauty because this IS what Freddy does and then responds in anger..... OH OH... which he now has to pretend is something else because, its true, he can't allow himself to be someone who gets very angry.

Its called being ENRAGED.
Its called Anger.
It was good ole garden variety and well fueled ANGER.
Notice we don't call it an 'Anger Attack'.
Its not an 'attack'.
It IS HIM RESPONDING TO THE THOUGHTS HE IS HAVING.
This is not 'something attacking him' but he would like to believe that because then he can be excused and have no blame for it,
but,
You bet it was this simple:
He could not express himself successfully.
He really really wanted to and was thinking of a need to express himself.
Mouth isn't working,
Body fires up ANGER in case he needs to 'physically express it'.
or,
at least show her he had the potential to do so.

Anger.
Its called 'being very angry'.

[BBmassive]

Originally posted by fredrica
Originally posted by BBmassive
OMFG !!!!!!!!! Pete Burns/tourettes all over again ,IF we had any interest in panic attacks we would search them ourselves :sleep::sleep:

No it is not however when someone is hurting you don't laugh at them, well I don't anyway.

Panic attacks are horrible and they make you feel you cannot deal with anything.
If somone is constantly attacking you verbally you cannot make a response you become petrified and numb. It is an horrendous experience.;) Please post a link or your source to confirm freddie had a panic attack ,thanks

[CaudleHalbard]

If Freddie was prone to having panic attacks, his early days in the house - when he was under a lot of negative pressure - would surely have seen him having a number of panic attacks!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBmassive
Originally posted by fredrica
Originally posted by BBmassive
OMFG !!!!!!!!! Pete Burns/tourettes all over again ,IF we had any interest in panic attacks we would search them ourselves :sleep::sleep:

No it is not however when someone is hurting you don't laugh at them, well I don't anyway.

Panic attacks are horrible and they make you feel you cannot deal with anything.
If somone is constantly attacking you verbally you cannot make a response you become petrified and numb. It is an horrendous experience.;) Please post a link or your source to confirm freddie had a panic attack ,thanks

Post yours to confirm he didnt. Thank you.

[SocietyIsRuined]

How did he get past the psychological tests?

We've had Sree who after leaving the house slits his wrists and now Halfwit who suffers from anxiety/panic attacks.

Somethings not right with the people who are evaluating the contestants. You do not let someone with mental health issues into such a paranoid enviroment like the Big Brother house.

[Cybele]

Originally posted by SocietyIsRuined
How did he get past the psychological tests?

We've had Sree who after leaving the house slits his wrists and now Halfwit who suffers from anxiety/panic attacks.

Somethings not right with the people who are evaluating the contestants. You do not let someone with mental health issues into such a paranoid enviroment like the Big Brother house.

Panic attacks are experienced by quite a few people. Besides, the amount of stress he was under which caused the episode was pretty substantial. He didn't have a panic attack over the normal BB stuff. He didn't even have a panic attack when he was being bullied by all of those people for the first few weeks. I would say that other people in the house have displayed worse responses to the stress of the house than Freddie having this ONE attack as a response of Bea's badgering.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by Cybele
Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?

I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.

Pretty convincing - but you can't make a proper diagnosis from a television screen! You would have to examine him yourself and know all his past medical history - so, sorry, as far as I am concerned - the jury is still out!!

[watchinittoomuch]

You dont have to have mental health issues to suffer a panic attack, they dont mean you're insane:laugh:

[lavabird]

Originally posted by fredrica
Originally posted by RobInnes
To be fair, once Halfwit told Bea she was having a panic attack, she left the room and told Marcus to go and calm him down. So, it's not as if she's THAT heartless...

The mere fact that she had caused another hm to have a panic attack is enough for me.

What concerned me was when she went back into the room and told Freddie she did not say the things he had said she did.

His answer was that it would be on film and that she did say it.
This was afterwards by the way.
do you not think she started to worry herself that she was going to look really bad? she doesnt give a toss about anyone in there and is playing all of them i cringe everytime david speaks to her he thinks she is abover him just because her accent is posh ! awful woman get her out

[SocietyIsRuined]

Originally posted by Cybele

Panic attacks are experienced by quite a few people. Besides, the amount of stress he was under which caused the episode was pretty substantial. He didn't have a panic attack over the normal BB stuff. He didn't even have a panic attack when he was being bullied by all of those people for the first few weeks. I would say that other people in the house have displayed worse responses to the stress of the house than Freddie having this ONE attack as a response of Bea's badgering.

But you do not allow someone with a mental health issue to enter the Big Brother house, that's my point. If I was on the production team and they told me there is one contestant who suffers from anxiety disorder/panic attacks then I would say that unfortunately for the sake of his health, he cannot enter.

The evaluators once again have put showbusiness before the health of a contestant.

[Cybele]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by Cybele
Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?

I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.

Pretty convincing - but you can't make a proper diagnosis from a television screen! You would have to examine him yourself and know all his past medical history - so, sorry, as far as I am concerned - the jury is still out!!

You seem to be forgetting that the "patient" made the claim himself. I would never say that someone was definitely suffering from this or that through a tv screen. However, I would say that it is likely based on certain non-verbal cues: shortness of breath, sweating, heightened state of stress, red face, etc. If you are really a nurse, you should know that many times the patient's account of what they are feeling drives the diagnosis. In this case, he said he was having a panic attack. I'm not sure why you are so fired up about saying that he is lying. Because surely that is the only other alternative. What purpose does that serve?

[setanta]

Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by Cybele
Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?

I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.

Pretty convincing - but you can't make a proper diagnosis from a television screen! You would have to examine him yourself and know all his past medical history - so, sorry, as far as I am concerned - the jury is still out!!

Exactly.... diagnosing a fella from a tv set is just plain silly. And the sweat and hot, flushed face were from stuffing his face under the blanket while he was "crying". Come on, lets have a bit of rationality and common sense here.

[Prole]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

You've been "asked to explain" by whom, exactly? And actually, you've not explained anything! You've just said that that Freddie was having an attack (Dahhh, ya think so?) and that Bea was anxious and not deliberately provocative (and honestly, rarely have you been more wrong)

Are you the resident psychologist or something? If you were you would know that there is no way in this world, or the next, that you could diagnose anyone from watching them on telly.

[SocietyIsRuined]

Originally posted by watchinittoomuch
You dont have to have mental health issues to suffer a panic attack, they dont mean you're insane:laugh:

Having a mental health issue has nothing to do with being insane. Thank god that in this day and age people are more accepting to these issues.

[Cybele]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by Cybele
Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?

I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.

Pretty convincing - but you can't make a proper diagnosis from a television screen! You would have to examine him yourself and know all his past medical history - so, sorry, as far as I am concerned - the jury is still out!!

Exactly.... diagnosing a fella from a tv set is just plain silly. And the sweat and hot, flushed face was from hiding it under the blanket while he was "crying". Come on, lets have a bit of rationality and common sense here.

His face was not red from being under that flimsy scarf. Rationality and commen sense would indeed be welcome here.

[Cybele]

Originally posted by SocietyIsRuined
Originally posted by Cybele

Panic attacks are experienced by quite a few people. Besides, the amount of stress he was under which caused the episode was pretty substantial. He didn't have a panic attack over the normal BB stuff. He didn't even have a panic attack when he was being bullied by all of those people for the first few weeks. I would say that other people in the house have displayed worse responses to the stress of the house than Freddie having this ONE attack as a response of Bea's badgering.

But you do not allow someone with a mental health issue to enter the Big Brother house, that's my point. If I was on the production team and they told me there is one contestant who suffers from anxiety disorder/panic attacks then I would say that unfortunately for the sake of his health, he cannot enter.

The evaluators once again have put showbusiness before the health of a contestant.

Panic attacks are not a mental health issue. Period.

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally posted by SocietyIsRuined
Originally posted by watchinittoomuch
You dont have to have mental health issues to suffer a panic attack, they dont mean you're insane:laugh:

Having a mental health issue has nothing to do with being insane. Thank god that in this day and age people are more accepting to these issues.

You dont need to tell me that, I totally agree....it just seemed that a person's mental health was being called into question just because they were having a panic attack, my point is there dont have to be any issues for someone to suffer one, it's the body and mind's reaction to a highly stressful/traumatic situation....hence my laugh at the end, I'm laughing at the whole idea of it being a mental health/sanity question

[Prole]

Originally posted by Cybele

I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.

So, you don't have ANY credentials that would allow you to diagnose a complete stranger who you've been watching on a reality TV show. That's what I thought.

Honestly people, knock it on the head.

[setanta]

Originally posted by Cybele
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by Cybele
Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?

I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.

Pretty convincing - but you can't make a proper diagnosis from a television screen! You would have to examine him yourself and know all his past medical history - so, sorry, as far as I am concerned - the jury is still out!!

Exactly.... diagnosing a fella from a tv set is just plain silly. And the sweat and hot, flushed face was from hiding it under the blanket while he was "crying". Come on, lets have a bit of rationality and common sense here.

His face was not red from being under that flimsy scarf. Rationality and commen sense would indeed be welcome here.

His head was under the blanket for ages and a scarf will have an effect too. Put one on ur face for awhile.... over your mouth too and see what happens.

[SocietyIsRuined]

Originally posted by Cybele

Panic attacks are not a mental health issue. Period.

That's where we will have to agree to disagree.

[Enid]

Sick of seeing these posts now. Panic attack or not, the fact is, he was very upset and angry that night and Bea is a cúnt.

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally posted by Enid
Sick of seeing these posts now. Panic attack or not, the fact is, he was very upset and angry that night and Bea is a cúnt.

Succint. I like it.:wink:

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally posted by Enid
Sick of seeing these posts now. Panic attack or not, the fact is, he was very upset and angry that night and Bea is a cúnt.

Succinct. I like it.:wink:

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally posted by Enid
Sick of seeing these posts now. Panic attack or not, the fact is, he was very upset and angry that night and Bea is a cúnt.

Succinct. I like it.:wink:

[fredrica]

Originally posted by SocietyIsRuined
Originally posted by watchinittoomuch
You dont have to have mental health issues to suffer a panic attack, they dont mean you're insane:laugh:

Having a mental health issue has nothing to do with being insane. Thank god that in this day and age people are more accepting to these issues.

I know it is refreshing that this can be disgussed without someone saying oh that person is and 'idiot'.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by Cybele
Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by Cybele
Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?

I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.

Pretty convincing - but you can't make a proper diagnosis from a television screen! You would have to examine him yourself and know all his past medical history - so, sorry, as far as I am concerned - the jury is still out!!

You seem to be forgetting that the "patient" made the claim himself. I would never say that someone was definitely suffering from this or that through a tv screen. However, I would say that it is likely based on certain non-verbal cues: shortness of breath, sweating, heightened state of stress, red face, etc. If you are really a nurse, you should know that many times the patient's account of what they are feeling drives the diagnosis. In this case, he said he was having a panic attack. I'm not sure why you are so fired up about saying that he is lying. Because surely that is the only other alternative. What purpose does that serve?

Yes I am a nurse - if you want to cast doubt on that - the same could be said of you - we both have to believe what the other says on that one!

Yes, of course the patient's account of how they feel drives the diagnosis - but it doesn't determine the diagnosis! It is a lot more involved than that!

Correct me if I am wrong - but I wasn't aware that Freddie actually stated that he suffered from panic attacks! Did he actually say that?

I thought he said that he felt he might have one (or words to that effect) - which could just be an expression!

Like you do when you say something like - after a fright - god, I think I may have heart attack!

I have never said that he did not have a panic attack - only that I did not believe that he had! People have been speaking as is it was a fact!

I still don't believe he had one - and until there is proper evidence of that - remain unconvinced!

So excuse me for not buying into all the hype!!

[fredrica]

Originally posted by Enid
Sick of seeing these posts now. Panic attack or not, the fact is, he was very upset and angry that night and Bea is a cúnt.

Very well said you have hit the nail on its head.:hello:

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBmassive
Originally posted by fredrica
Originally posted by BBmassive
OMFG !!!!!!!!! Pete Burns/tourettes all over again ,IF we had any interest in panic attacks we would search them ourselves :sleep::sleep:

No it is not however when someone is hurting you don't laugh at them, well I don't anyway.

Panic attacks are horrible and they make you feel you cannot deal with anything.
If somone is constantly attacking you verbally you cannot make a response you become petrified and numb. It is an horrendous experience.;) Please post a link or your source to confirm freddie had a panic attack ,thanks

Post yours to confirm he didnt. Thank you.

That is so ridiculous - the onis of responsiblity is on those claiming that he had a panic attack! It is up to them to prove it! It is not up to those that have doubts to prove that he did not!

[Shasown]

Lets all agree to disagree eh?

He was upset, he was angry.

Bea upset him, she ripped into him and told him things he didnt want to hear.

You believe what you want to believe and other people have that right too.

[Chuckyegg]

I suffered from panic attacks. Really bad ones. There is, like a lot of things, a sliding scale. Some people have panic disorder and they are in a 24/7 state of panic. They lose bowel and bladder control, they lose clear vision and hearing, they are in a constant state of believing fully that they are about to die. They cannot communicate properly and they scream and scream.

Freddie's "panic attack" was very mild.

A lot of people use the term Panic Attack to describe something that is not really a panic attack and it's only until they actually experience what a panic attack really is, that they understand. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

[BJ]

Originally posted by CaudleHalbard
If Freddie was prone to having panic attacks, his early days in the house - when he was under a lot of negative pressure - would surely have seen him having a number of panic attacks!

I have panic attacks but certainly not every time I am under pressure.

I don't think your argument hold up because in the early weeks he was being attacked by people he knew didn't like him. He considered Bea a true friend and that is the difference IMO

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by Chuckyegg
I suffered from panic attacks. Really bad ones. There is, like a lot of things, a sliding scale. Some people have panic disorder and they are in a 24/7 state of panic. They lose bowel and bladder control, they lose clear vision and hearing, they are in a constant state of believing fully that they are about to die. They cannot communicate properly and they scream and scream.

Freddie's "panic attack" was very mild.

A lot of people use the term Panic Attack to describe something that is not really a panic attack and it's only until they actually experience what a panic attack really is, that they understand. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Strongly agree it is a sliding scale and we may go from slight nervousness to being quite anxious to a moderately intense panic response and like you describe a full-scale adrenalin blasting ride of a lifetime.
Think of a cars 'RPM' gauge and when it gets in the 'red' is when we have what we call a 'Panic' state.

Another good point that needs to be considered here - plenty of people just use this term loosely.
Freddy feels very very intense anger and is fighting to suppress it and says "Your voice is causing me to have a panic attack".
Okay.
Well this is just what he chose to call it and isn't necessarily sure of what the term is more properly used to describe.

Like you say - lots of people may not even be aware they are describing what is really moments of brief 'fright' or high anxiety (in a way they are correct),
but,
Have full-on massive 'panic attacks' 8 times a day with full onset and maximum onset of the responses and then you really know what the 'real deal' is like heh.

*again, I hate saying panic 'attack' as it is NOT an 'attack'. The actual problem is the inappropriate and unnecessary timing and situation.
The actual response itself is not 'attacking' anyone but is your bodies way of trying to PREVENT you from attacks and to take care of you and make your body safe from attacks.

Anyways.

Still insist "your voice is giving me panic attacks' goes down in this years Season Best Bits lol

[rhijack]

Bea was dreadful and he was as anyone would have been upset
- like all emotions panic is subjective to the individual - if he felt panicked then it was REAL for him. Its not about proving one way or another if he did or didn't have a panic attack using some sort of textbook bench mark. Its about accepting rightly or wrongly at that moment he felt 'upset/angry/whatever' and referred to that as being panicked - so for him it was real.

[J-Rock]

I'm so sorry I opened this thread.

ElProximo - I'm calling you out - you are just here to antagonise. You have good articulation skills, so try to make it sound like you know what you're talking about, but essentially you are just out to get a reaction. Well done.

(still like the pic though)

Chuckyegg - 'very mild' panic attack indeed? - we know you are a Freddie hater. You now also come across somewhat arrogant in your posts - I would watch out for that. I have had huge panic attacks during public speaking and wanted to run away, yet carried on and nobody batted an eyelid. So I'm afraid you don't own the textbook on panic attacks anymore.

Whatever you think, he was suffering properly.

ElProximo enjoys that sort of thing; You simply cannot recognise it.

All just a bit of fun aye?

[mercury]

I can't believe how many people have taken him literally! I may not have been watching properly, but when he said it I just presumed that he was insulting her in an overly-dramatic way (& I wouldn't judge him for that either).

If he'd of said that to me I would have been bemused and would have just walked away, I wouldn't have taken him seriously though:shrug:

[Shasown]

An excellent example of a panic attack was at the battle of Balaclava on the 25th October 1854, during the Crimean War, thinking that the Russian Naval Guns were going to be removed from the area an order was sent to the Light Brigade to prevent the guns from being withdrawn.

Due to this being of the utmost urgency at the time the message was hastily written and the messenger who carried the message was also incorretly briefed. Hence the light Brigade actually attacked the wrong objective charging through the most heavily defended area as opposed to bypassing it.

They did however engage the russian positions in depth after "running the guns" but due to a lack of support were forced to withdraw back down the valley. Again suffering withering fire.

Now that was a real Panic Attack

[ElProximo]

Originally posted by J-Rock
I'm so sorry I opened this thread.

ElProximo - I'm calling you out - you are just here to antagonise. You have good articulation skills, so try to make it sound like you know what you're talking about, but essentially you are just out to get a reaction. Well done.

ElProximo enjoys that sort of thing; You simply cannot recognise it.

All just a bit of fun aye?

I'm going to call you out too. I don't believe you know one way or another if I know what I'm talking about or not,
so,
you are calling me out but on a 'bluff'.

But here is the thing. I am not doing a great job articulating. This is because I am over-tired and have poor sentence structure,
but,
I do a much better job finding people who have severe panic 'attacks' and have had them for years,
and,
going by what I'm telling them they will see immediate relief and in short term have massive decreases and eventually cease to have panic 'attacks' anymore.
and,
I will make it clear that this is them doing it. Not me. They discover the truth (and often they knew it anyways and just realised it) and then they took control.

I don't have to tell you nothing. I am well aware of this and get to thank God when I personally enjoy seeing someone go from being too scared to leave their bedroom to watching them travel on international flights to go mix in large crowds, easily drive in traffic and even begin public speaking.
I already have my 'validations' and 'confirmations'.

But one thing I definitely do NOT understand (despite theories) is why anyone wants to deny, doubt, argue and 'call me out' and challenge this so quickly and often with anger?
Why is that?
What exactly bothers you about this?
Why do you feel some need to stop me and call me out about this?
Seriously.. I really want to know?

[BBmassive]

Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by Cybele

I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.

So, you don't have ANY credentials that would allow you to diagnose a complete stranger who you've been watching on a reality TV show. That's what I thought.

Honestly people, knock it on the head. Bravo :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

[BBmassive]

Originally posted by Shasown
Lets all agree to disagree eh?

He was upset, he was angry.

Bea upset him, she ripped into him and told him things he didnt want to hear.

You believe what you want to believe and other people have that right too. Well said !! the only one who KNOWS what did or didnt happen is Freddie and he is not telling anyone

[J-Rock]

ElProximo - I think I got a reaction there? Just wanted to show you what it can feel like. Not saying I 'owned' you or anything. FFS, it's a forum so how could I?

Also, there was no anger whatsoever in my post - didn't feel angry one bit while posting. So again shows how a forum is not the place for being able to 'work each other out'. I was just suprised and saddened at some people's reactions and vitriol to last night's debacle.

Secondly, there was no 'quick reaction' about it. I've seen many of your posts (and some of them are funny/interesting - but sometimes I do feel you overstep the mark). My opinion.

e.g. I find it a little strange that someone who can 'laugh out loud' at another's suffering (gameshow or not), can be doing such good work on helping people on the outside. But, and I have no reason to doubt you, if this is so then keep it up! x

[BBmassive]

Originally posted by J-Rock
ElProximo - I think I got a reaction there? Just wanted to show you what it can feel like. Not saying I 'owned' you or anything. FFS, it's a forum so how could I?

Also, there was no anger whatsoever in my post - didn't feel angry one bit while posting. So again shows how a forum is not the place for being able to 'work each other out'. I was just suprised and saddened at some people's reactions and vitriol to last night's debacle.

Secondly, there was no 'quick reaction' about it. I've seen many of your posts (and some of them are funny/interesting - but sometimes I do feel you overstep the mark). My opinion.

e.g. I find it a little strange that someone who can 'laugh out loud' at another's suffering (gameshow or not), can be doing such good work on helping people on the outside. But, and I have no reason to doubt you, if this is so then keep it up! x Im sorry for butting in here ,but I must ask you HTF was Freddie"suffering" :rolleyes:

[fredrica]

Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

You've been "asked to explain" by whom, exactly? And actually, you've not explained anything! You've just said that that Freddie was having an attack (Dahhh, ya think so?) and that Bea was anxious and not deliberately provocative (and honestly, rarely have you been more wrong)

Are you the resident psychologist or something? If you were you would know that there is no way in this world, or the next, that you could diagnose anyone from watching them on telly.

Have you ever had a panic attack? Are you that expert enough then to diagnose those that do? I understand where you are coming from however it each person who does have a panic attack will describe how they feel when it is happening and it will be slightly different for each person.

Wwll what will be will be.

[J-Rock]

BBmassive - stop butting in! How dare you! haha :wink:

OK, it's not a problem if you couldnt see it. You seemed to recognise it on another thread, but now here it appears not. So be it.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by J-Rock

e.g. I find it a little strange that someone who can 'laugh out loud' at another's suffering (gameshow or not), can be doing such good work on helping people on the outside.

Its sometimes used as a coping mechanism. I have been involved in some fairly traumatic situations and humour is often used to diffuse stressful distressing and depressing situations.

Humour can also be used as a shield and provides a defence mechanism for what could damage us as well as traumatise us. It can also be used to hide our disgust at seeing ourselves reflected in either or both sides of any given distasteful situation

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by fredrica
Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

You've been "asked to explain" by whom, exactly? And actually, you've not explained anything! You've just said that that Freddie was having an attack (Dahhh, ya think so?) and that Bea was anxious and not deliberately provocative (and honestly, rarely have you been more wrong)

Are you the resident psychologist or something? If you were you would know that there is no way in this world, or the next, that you could diagnose anyone from watching them on telly.

Have you ever had a panic attack? Are you that expert enough then to diagnose those that do? I understand where you are coming from however it each person who does have a panic attack will describe how they feel when it is happening and it will be slightly different for each person.

Wwll what will be will be.

There were plenty on here this morning trying to diagnose Freddie's behaviour last night as a 'panic attack'!

The controversy arose when others pointed out that noone could be sure of that - it required a proper medical diagnosis!!

Anything less - was just opinion!

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by J-Rock

e.g. I find it a little strange that someone who can 'laugh out loud' at another's suffering (gameshow or not), can be doing such good work on helping people on the outside.

Its sometimes used as a coping mechanism. I have been involved in some fairly traumatic situations and humour is often used to diffuse stressful distressing and depressing situations.

Humour can also be used as a shield and provides a defence mechanism for what could damage us as well as traumatise us. It can also be used to hide our disgust at seeing ourselves reflected in either or both sides of any given distasteful situation

Quite:thumbs:

People want to try working in the health service - they might then have a better understanding!

[J-Rock]

Commonsense - you have obviously not read my post or elproximos and are therefore responding out of context.

So, firstly, you are not living up to your username, and secondly I have been working in the NHS for 15 years...

[BBmassive]

Originally posted by J-Rock
BBmassive - stop butting in! How dare you! haha :wink:

OK, it's not a problem if you couldnt see it. You seemed to recognise it on another thread, but now here it appears not. So be it. J rock i was quoting HIM (God why didnt i put those sodding speech marks in ?)Not for a single split second do I think he had a GENUINE panic attack MY OPINION and its as valid as EVERYONE elses

[Prole]

Originally posted by fredrica
Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

You've been "asked to explain" by whom, exactly? And actually, you've not explained anything! You've just said that that Freddie was having an attack (Dahhh, ya think so?) and that Bea was anxious and not deliberately provocative (and honestly, rarely have you been more wrong)

Are you the resident psychologist or something? If you were you would know that there is no way in this world, or the next, that you could diagnose anyone from watching them on telly.

Have you ever had a panic attack? Are you that expert enough then to diagnose those that do? I understand where you are coming from however it each person who does have a panic attack will describe how they feel when it is happening and it will be slightly different for each person.

Wwll what will be will be.

I think I'm one of a few on this thread who doesn't consider themselves some kind of expert in the subject and is not attempting to make a diagnosis, so honestly, I have no idea what you're going on about. A lot of you people are just trying to outdo each other with your psychobabble and prove you're more feeling and sympathetic than anyone else. To be honest, you look a little daft.

I have great empathy with anyone who suffers any kind of anxiety, whether or not I myself have suffered is neither here nor there. Of course I understand that symptoms differ from person to person. I understand that because I'm not a bl**dy idiot.

[WOMBAI]

Originally posted by J-Rock
Commonsense - you have obviously not read my post or elproximos and are therefore responding out of context.

So, firstly, you are not living up to your username, and secondly I have been working in the NHS for 15 years...

Actually my comment wasn't directed at you - it was more of a general comment - sorry if it sounded as if I was!

[Tigglet]

I'm not a doctor or a psychologist, so I don't exactly know what constitutes a 'panic attack' and what doesn't, but then I don't think Freddie knows either - I think he was just trying to find a phrase that articulated what he was experiencing.

I've been in situations before where I've felt under so much stress or anxiety, or that I've felt so backed into a corner or so angry, that I'm unable to speak at all even if I try. And if I am then it's not comprehensible!

I'm not sure if that counts as a 'panic attack', but even if he wasn't having one, I think it's pretty obvious from what he was saying and his body language that he was experiencing some kind of extreme response to stress.

Compare that with Bea last night, when even though she was supposed to be really really upset, she was still completely articulate. Freddie was a grown, educated man reduced to sobbing under a duvet!

So I don't think Freddie was making it up when he said he was having one, he was just trying to find something that described what he was going through. And if you're suggesting he acted the entire thing - I'm not sure it's possible to make that up either!

[squinky]

Originally posted by SocietyIsRuined
How did he get past the psychological tests?

We've had Sree who after leaving the house slits his wrists and now Halfwit who suffers from anxiety/panic attacks.

Somethings not right with the people who are evaluating the contestants. You do not let someone with mental health issues into such a paranoid enviroment like the Big Brother house.


well,if that the case then why allow sociapaths and narcissists into the house,they are after all severe personality disorders.these people can be very unpredictable and unstable,and can even become violent.whereas,someone who suffers from panic attacks,generally isnt.

[boomoo]

Originally posted by Cybele
Originally posted by COMMONSENSE
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/

May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?

I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.

Freddie has a complicated history and we only know part of it because the housemates did not really want to hear about his difficulties. He said he was undiagnosed with Dyslexia until he was 13. This is not just the inability to read. he said he had to have his brain reorganised. You could tell this with the hesitation in his speech and he said he needed to go to bed at a reasonable time because the effort of getting his words right left him drained.

This why he suddenly had the attack he experienced. He also has asthma which certainly would be aggravated by Bea's behaviour.
I hope she is proud of herself because she will pay for it when she gets out.

It was great to see Freddie get the best reception of the series and he learnt that he was really liked by a lot of people. He came across as a really likeable person when he was relaxed.

[Violetfairy]

I blame Bea because if you can see someone who is clearly under stress and needs time to be alone, a NORMAL person who back away and give them space. But NOT Bea, Bea has to be B I T C H Y and stir up more emotion from the poor guy. To be quite honest Freddie leaving tonight has been the best thing for him, because how much more can he have taken before really snapping. God I would of smacked that girl ages ago, she really needs someone to clip her bully wings.