A christian perspective on Big Brother

[davidalbert]

........as someone who has watched alot of Big Brother series 1 to 10 I often find myself watching with different 'hats'...sometimes as an observer of human behaviour.........
sometimes as a voyeur....

sometimes as a couch potato who just needs to be entertained.....

as someone informed by the CHRISTIAN ethic I think it is good to put on that 'hat' from time to time.....

BB is founded on the principal that we choose 'Who is the Greatest?'...i.e. best personality.........it sets up contestants as rival personalities.....

of course Christianity is founded on the principal that all humans are made in the image and likeness of God......to be brothers and sisters NOT rivals.......so we can see God in all BB10s contestants....hence my observation that Freddie 'looked like Christ' at times.....

Jesus ' 12 disciples would have made a GREAT set of Housemates...always arguing amongst themselves which of THEM would be the GREATEST in the Kingdom to come......
Jesus took a little child and set him in their midst and said 'whoever becomes like this littlle child will be great in the kingdom...the one who serves..not the one who lords it over others'..

Jesus also said : 'the first will be Last ..and the Last Will be First'.....so, judging by that standard...Benazir or Sophia are the real winners of BB10 te he :laugh:

To say the first will be last etc..is Jesus way of saying that our way of judging people is usually the opposite of GODs way...we will find all our value judgements turned upside down in the Life of the Kingdom.....

in our celebrity Botox Plastic culture we judge by who is sexiest, prettiest, wealthiest, bitchiest..but Jesus turns all these values upside down.......

From a Christian point of view BB presents both fascinating scenarios but also complex problems......how can we say one of Gods children is BETTER than another?........

it IS still worthwhile as a social and cultural exercise as LONG AS we dont really think that those who WIN are objevtively BETTER than those who didnt WIN.

WIN etc is a concept that needs constant deconstruction.....those who think they are WINNERS in this life may discover with a shock they have NOT WON in Gods eyes or future life.

I note Lisa wears a belt saying JESUS LOVES YOU from time to time.........she hasnt been one of my personal favourite housemates but she is a child of God and MAYBE, just MAYBE, she will shock us all and WIN. (wearing that belt)
After all, in Gods kingdom...anyone..and everyone can make it!...be APPROVED. :love:

[Dr.Gonzo]

Congrats on your faith. Who will God vote for and how will His vote count for more?

[bananarama]

Well. Religion and BB do have something in common .......Both turn out a load of false clap trap..........

[Zizz6]

[i]
I note Lisa wears a belt saying JESUS LOVES YOU from time to time.........she hasnt been one of my personal favourite housemates but she is a child of God and MAYBE, just MAYBE, she will shock us all and WIN. (wearing that belt)

That's all you need to get a good human being? I don't think so.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Originally posted by bananarama
Well. Religion and BB do have something in common .......Both turn out a load of false clap trap..........

:hello:

/agnostic

[Prole]

Jesus supposedly surrounded himself with fallen women, tax collectors and various other 'undesirables'. Sounds familiar.

[Dr.Gonzo]

I think Jesus actually starred in the first reality show, as documented in The Good Book. Evictions were different then, involving wood and nails.

[PaulyJ]

Interesting Post,

God compares people's worth based on a non humanistic system, an idealistic system which no one NATURALLY adhere's to. It takes years of conditioning to reach a point where you can say i want the boring dull, ugly, uninteresting person to win. If it we're left to human nature, we would never see such a thing happen.

Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.

[RCW1945]

False images should be banned on this board.

[Prole]

Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,
Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.

Or to respect nature and try to live in harmony with it.

[Dr.Gonzo]

God and science work as one!!

Science creates TV; God grows the contestants in His lab.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,

God compares people's worth based on a non humanistic system, an idealistic system which no one NATURALLY adhere's to. It takes years of conditioning to reach a point where you can say i want the boring dull, ugly, uninteresting person to win. If it we're left to human nature, we would never see such a thing happen.

Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.


Man's duty on this earth is surly to COMPLY with nature or nature will surly kill man.......Religions go completely against nature and support delusional practices and thinking. The unhealth side of nature........Hence the disgusting state of the world with it's conflicting religious delusions all competeing for dominence.......The result of going against nature is self destruction.....

[merv]

"I note Lisa wears a belt saying JESUS LOVES YOU from time to time.........she hasnt been one of my personal favourite housemates but she is a child of God and MAYBE, just MAYBE, she will shock us all and WIN"

Now me!? I am an out and out non believer.
But don't some parts of the Christian church frown upon Gay people.?
Me I don't care either way,and this is one of those subjects like politics that should be forum avoided maybe.:sad:

[baby-becca]

Tell jesus and his 12 diciples to VOTE BEA OUT :thumbs:

[Dr.Gonzo]

Originally posted by merv
"I note Lisa wears a belt saying JESUS LOVES YOU from time to time.........she hasnt been one of my personal favourite housemates but she is a child of God and MAYBE, just MAYBE, she will shock us all and WIN"

Now me!? I am an out and out non believer.
But don't some parts of the Christian church frown upon Gay people.?
Me I don't care either way,and this is one of those subjects like politics that should be forum avoided maybe.:sad:

'Frown upon Gay people'? LOL. I think it's slightly worse than that.

[saraholeila]

'the first will be Last ..and the Last Will be First'

Freddie was first in, and is now out. Siavash was last in and could win and come 'first'!
It's the 2nd coming I tells ya!

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,
Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.

Or to respect nature and try to live in harmony with it.

Indeed nature will win either way but seems to kill slower when you are in harmony with it.

I would love to know the Christian view on David and Marcus.

[PooBay]

Rumour has it, Jesus used to 'dabble' from time to time.

[Prole]

Originally posted by bananarama
Man's duty on this earth is surly to COMPLY with nature or nature will surly kill man.......Religions go completely against nature and support delusional practices and thinking. The unhealth side of nature........Hence the disgusting state of the world with it's conflicting religious delusions all competeing for dominence.......The result of going against nature is self destruction.....

I agree to a point. Not all religions go against nature, mainly the patriarchal religions. It's these same religions that have not only killed more women than childbirth, but have been the cause of more war, famine and misery in the world than all the tsunamis and mudslides put together.

[King Gizzard]

I opened this expecting it to be Gavin. I was in for a pleasent surprise. :love:

[Nigeria_Bob]

Terry Christian :cloud:

[bananarama]

Originally posted by merv
"I note Lisa wears a belt saying JESUS LOVES YOU from time to time.........she hasnt been one of my personal favourite housemates but she is a child of God and MAYBE, just MAYBE, she will shock us all and WIN"

Now me!? I am an out and out non believer.
But don't some parts of the Christian church frown upon Gay people.?
Me I don't care either way,and this is one of those subjects like politics that should be forum avoided maybe.:sad:


No genuine debatable subject should be forum avoidable.....(That would be censorship. That would be evil)Debate is healthy and free speach and expression valuable to all in the long run. Even if some subjects do get minds interlocked.....

However I would agree this topic is not for the BB forum but the serious debate forums....

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Prole
Jesus supposedly surrounded himself with fallen women, tax collectors and various other 'undesirables'. Sounds familiar.

Yes, that was what the Pharisees said dismissively, so Jesus said that the well did not need a doctor but the sick. He had come to call the unrighteousness not the righteous.

The Pharisees rejected Jesus because they thought they were oh so perfect.

When you have time, look up the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax collector.

[Prole]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Prole
Jesus supposedly surrounded himself with fallen women, tax collectors and various other 'undesirables'. Sounds familiar.

Yes, that was what the Pharisees said dismissively, so Jesus said that the well did not need a doctor but the sick. He had come to call the unrighteousness not the righteous.

The Pharisees rejected Jesus because they thought they were oh so perfect.

When you have time, look up the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax collector.

I was being kind of light-hearted with that post.

I took the trouble to read the bible. I haven't not dismissed Christianity because I couldn't be bothered to find out what it meant to be a Christian, but because I did.

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,

God compares people's worth based on a non humanistic system, an idealistic system which no one NATURALLY adhere's to. It takes years of conditioning to reach a point where you can say i want the boring dull, ugly, uninteresting person to win. If it we're left to human nature, we would never see such a thing happen.

Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.


Man's duty on this earth is surly to COMPLY with nature or nature will surly kill man.......Religions go completely against nature and support delusional practices and thinking. The unhealth side of nature........Hence the disgusting state of the world with it's conflicting religious delusions all competeing for dominence.......The result of going against nature is self destruction.....

I know this may come over as sick but in a small way when I see forces of nature wrack havok on humanity I feel it is justified given how much we destroy nature.

[IsleOfWeather]

if you look hard at each contestant you can see the good/God within them. All they need so is worship Jesus and not money/material goods and they will be saved.

[MargeryFan]

Originally posted by bananarama
Well. Religion and BB do have something in common .......Both turn out a load of false clap trap..........

You would know alot about that wouldn't you :xyxwave:

[Prole]

Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
............ All they need so is worship Jesus and not money/material goods and they will be saved.

Makes you wonder then, why the Catholic Church is so rich while there are people dying in the world because they don't have clean water to drink or enough food to eat.

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,
Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.

Or to respect nature and try to live in harmony with it.


Human Nature in it's present state of Evolution is such that we are in competition with eachother

All the conflict in the world on a global scale or a local scale boil down to natural urges either being fulfilled or not, where they are not arises conflict

What happened when Marcus did not get his natural (i.e Nature given) urge to have Noirin, conflict.

Bea her Natural, (i.e Nature given) urge to be selfish and placed before all others, is causing all kinds of conflict. I realise i may be subscribing to a different definition of nature than the magority, and that many will see marcus's, and Bea's actions as unnatural and learned behaviour as apposed to nature given, but we have seen Monkeys be selfish and lions be protective of his females, so i think it is pretty nature given, despite the popular concensus.

When i say overcome nature i mean to see it for what it is Nature Red in tooth and claw, cruel, heartless, favouring the strong, disempowering the weak. And to overcome these unwanted, i presume traits. This may happen in the next human evolutionery step, if man realises it's need to overcome Nature, but if he never realises it Nature will continue to dominate us, as always.

I think we are seeing roots of change in this direction, charity workers are a good example, but the thing that makes a rich man keep more money than he could ever spend in the bank, whilst walking past a homeless person in the street is the natural thing man must overcome.

[IsleOfWeather]

Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
............ All they need so is worship Jesus and not money/material goods and they will be saved.

Makes you wonder then, why the Catholic Church is so rich while there are people dying in the world because they don't have clean water to drink or enough food to eat.


and if the catholic church gave all of their money away are you saying that would help


or perhaps is it a bit more complex than that?

[Prole]

Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
............ All they need so is worship Jesus and not money/material goods and they will be saved.

Makes you wonder then, why the Catholic Church is so rich while there are people dying in the world because they don't have clean water to drink or enough food to eat.

and if the catholic church gave all of their money away are you saying that would help

or perhaps is it a bit more complex than that?

I'm not saying give their money away indiscriminately, but maybe be seen to be using it for good, for setting an example. Or do you think it's right they sit on their cash while people starve because they can't help everyone?

[Prole]

Originally posted by PaulyJ
Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,
Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.

Or to respect nature and try to live in harmony with it.

Human Nature in it's present state of Evolution is such that we are in competition with eachother etc. etc. etc.


I see what you're saying and agree with most of it. The thing is though, man is part of nature. We are not above it or separate to it.

[MargeryFan]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,

God compares people's worth based on a non humanistic system, an idealistic system which no one NATURALLY adhere's to. It takes years of conditioning to reach a point where you can say i want the boring dull, ugly, uninteresting person to win. If it we're left to human nature, we would never see such a thing happen.

Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.


Man's duty on this earth is surly to COMPLY with nature or nature will surly kill man.......Religions go completely against nature and support delusional practices and thinking. The unhealth side of nature........Hence the disgusting state of the world with it's conflicting religious delusions all competeing for dominence.......The result of going against nature is self destruction.....

If you think the state the world is in is because of religion, then you reallly have been ill informed.

[merv]

Fallen Woman?...

I asked The Salvation Army "Do you Save fallen woman?"
They said "Yes"
I said,"Right! save me 2 for Friday"

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by bananarama


However I would agree this topic is not for the BB forum but the serious debate forums....



Nope it belongs here, People want to box things away to much if you watch BB then you never really talk about it's deeper implications, Freddie is bullied, but we never really get to debate it in anything other than a lighthearted way, because we fear our threads will be packed off to the "Serious debate Forum"

[MargeryFan]

Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
............ All they need so is worship Jesus and not money/material goods and they will be saved.

Makes you wonder then, why the Catholic Church is so rich while there are people dying in the world because they don't have clean water to drink or enough food to eat.

I'm not catholic but realisticly you could say that about anyone. When It comes down to it, the catholic church isn't as responsible as others for the famine and poverty in certain countries.

[IsleOfWeather]

isnt it about this time that some one posts "religion causes more wars/kills more people than anything else"?


perhaps if Freddie had read the Bible he would not have resorted to buggery?

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by PaulyJ
Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,
Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.

Or to respect nature and try to live in harmony with it.


Human Nature in it's present state of Evolution is such that we are in competition with eachother

All the conflict in the world on a global scale or a local scale boil down to natural urges either being fulfilled or not, where they are not arises conflict

What happened when Marcus did not get his natural (i.e Nature given) urge to have Noirin, conflict.

Bea her Natural, (i.e Nature given) urge to be selfish and placed before all others, is causing all kinds of conflict. I realise i may be subscribing to a different definition of nature than the magority, and that many will see marcus's, and Bea's actions as unnatural and learned behaviour as apposed to nature given, but we have seen Monkeys be selfish and lions be protective of his females, so i think it is pretty nature given, despite the popular concensus.

When i say overcome nature i mean to see it for what it is Nature Red in tooth and claw, cruel, heartless, favouring the strong, disempowering the weak. And to overcome these unwanted, i presume traits. This may happen in the next human evolutionery step, if man realises it's need to overcome Nature, but if he never realises it Nature will continue to dominate us, as always.

I think we are seeing roots of change in this direction, charity workers are a good example, but the thing that makes a rich man keep more money than he could ever spend in the bank, whilst walking past a homeless person in the street is the natural thing man must overcome.

Personally I want nature to win. The best future for this planet would probably be without mankind it is only one species.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,

God compares people's worth based on a non humanistic system, an idealistic system which no one NATURALLY adhere's to. It takes years of conditioning to reach a point where you can say i want the boring dull, ugly, uninteresting person to win. If it we're left to human nature, we would never see such a thing happen.

Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.


Man's duty on this earth is surly to COMPLY with nature or nature will surly kill man.......Religions go completely against nature and support delusional practices and thinking. The unhealth side of nature........Hence the disgusting state of the world with it's conflicting religious delusions all competeing for dominence.......The result of going against nature is self destruction.....

If you think the state the world is in is because of religion, then you reallly have been ill informed.


Ha ha ha If you think it's not then you are well deluded.......:thumbs:

[Dr.Gonzo]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,

God compares people's worth based on a non humanistic system, an idealistic system which no one NATURALLY adhere's to. It takes years of conditioning to reach a point where you can say i want the boring dull, ugly, uninteresting person to win. If it we're left to human nature, we would never see such a thing happen.

Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.


Man's duty on this earth is surly to COMPLY with nature or nature will surly kill man.......Religions go completely against nature and support delusional practices and thinking. The unhealth side of nature........Hence the disgusting state of the world with it's conflicting religious delusions all competeing for dominence.......The result of going against nature is self destruction.....

If you think the state the world is in is because of religion, then you reallly have been ill informed.


Ha ha ha If you think it's not then you are well deluded.......:thumbs:

:love:

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,

God compares people's worth based on a non humanistic system, an idealistic system which no one NATURALLY adhere's to. It takes years of conditioning to reach a point where you can say i want the boring dull, ugly, uninteresting person to win. If it we're left to human nature, we would never see such a thing happen.

Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.


Man's duty on this earth is surly to COMPLY with nature or nature will surly kill man.......Religions go completely against nature and support delusional practices and thinking. The unhealth side of nature........Hence the disgusting state of the world with it's conflicting religious delusions all competeing for dominence.......The result of going against nature is self destruction.....

If you think the state the world is in is because of religion, then you reallly have been ill informed.


Ha ha ha If you think it's not then you are well deluded.......:thumbs:

Strikes me religion is mearly a tool used by the minority to control the many same as fudal system was and governments today are but on a more social level.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by bananarama
Well. Religion and BB do have something in common .......Both turn out a load of false clap trap..........

You would know alot about that wouldn't you :xyxwave:

Considering that statement does nothing in the form of constructive opinion it is easy to see the demise of your logic......Have a nice religious day.......:thumbs:

[Prole]

Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
............ All they need so is worship Jesus and not money/material goods and they will be saved.

Makes you wonder then, why the Catholic Church is so rich while there are people dying in the world because they don't have clean water to drink or enough food to eat.

I'm not catholic but realisticly you could say that about anyone. When It comes down to it, the catholic church isn't as responsible as others for the famine and poverty in certain countries.

I chose the Catholics as an example... but I disagree that they aren't responsible. All so-called religions are reponsible. Surely mankind is their responsibility, or what is their message?

[Dr.Gonzo]

I'm eating fish today, I kid you not. All good doctors go to heaven.

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
............ All they need so is worship Jesus and not money/material goods and they will be saved.

Makes you wonder then, why the Catholic Church is so rich while there are people dying in the world because they don't have clean water to drink or enough food to eat.

I'm not catholic but realisticly you could say that about anyone. When It comes down to it, the catholic church isn't as responsible as others for the famine and poverty in certain countries.

I chose the Catholics as an example... but I disagree that they aren't responsible. All so-called religions are reponsible. Surely mankind is their responsibility, or what is their message?

Most religions seem to teach peace and that is why they are attractive to so many people. The problem is that organised religions see the opportunity for selfing gain and have been exploiting good nature in people for centuries.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Taijitu
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,

God compares people's worth based on a non humanistic system, an idealistic system which no one NATURALLY adhere's to. It takes years of conditioning to reach a point where you can say i want the boring dull, ugly, uninteresting person to win. If it we're left to human nature, we would never see such a thing happen.

Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.


Man's duty on this earth is surly to COMPLY with nature or nature will surly kill man.......Religions go completely against nature and support delusional practices and thinking. The unhealth side of nature........Hence the disgusting state of the world with it's conflicting religious delusions all competeing for dominence.......The result of going against nature is self destruction.....

If you think the state the world is in is because of religion, then you reallly have been ill informed.


Ha ha ha If you think it's not then you are well deluded.......:thumbs:

Strikes me religion is mearly a tool used by the minority to control the many same as fudal system was and governments today are but on a more social level.

Bang on......Spot on........None deluded logic at last......

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
............ All they need so is worship Jesus and not money/material goods and they will be saved.

Makes you wonder then, why the Catholic Church is so rich while there are people dying in the world because they don't have clean water to drink or enough food to eat.

I'm not catholic but realisticly you could say that about anyone. When It comes down to it, the catholic church isn't as responsible as others for the famine and poverty in certain countries.

As a nock on effect from wars such as the Thirty Year War it has though. Must western conflics have a religious connection based upon the Catholic church.

[Prole]

Originally posted by Taijitu
Most religions seem to teach peace and that is why they are attractive to so many people. The problem is that organised religions see the opportunity for selfing gain and have been exploiting good nature in people for centuries.

I'd agree with that.

They do teach (or preach) peace and yet so much blood has been spilled in their name.

Can I just say... what a bloody pleasure it is to have a debate like this with no one flying off the handle? I don't agree with everyone but there have been some excellent posts here.

[Kiawikepedia]

HAHAHAHAAHA! LMFAO .. I got as far as 3rd sentence!


what aload of gobbly gooch!

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,
Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.

Or to respect nature and try to live in harmony with it.

Human Nature in it's present state of Evolution is such that we are in competition with eachother etc. etc. etc.


I see what you're saying and agree with most of it. The thing is though, man is part of nature. We are not above it or separate to it.


I agree. we are part of it but i think we can escape it's undesirable traits

When Nature made Man, Nature made a mistake, Nature allowed for the first time ever, a creature capable of understanding nature, Cows just get on with chewing grass, where as we want to know what kind of grass is this?, is it good for me? and more importantly, how can i change this grass?

How do we overcome this grass, this grass is no good for me and i must improve it. Working with nature will always have us competing, and this will always end in winners, and losers, thus we need to overcome it.

[56natasha]

Originally posted by Taijitu
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,

God compares people's worth based on a non humanistic system, an idealistic system which no one NATURALLY adhere's to. It takes years of conditioning to reach a point where you can say i want the boring dull, ugly, uninteresting person to win. If it we're left to human nature, we would never see such a thing happen.

Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.


Man's duty on this earth is surly to COMPLY with nature or nature will surly kill man.......Religions go completely against nature and support delusional practices and thinking. The unhealth side of nature........Hence the disgusting state of the world with it's conflicting religious delusions all competeing for dominence.......The result of going against nature is self destruction.....

I know this may come over as sick but in a small way when I see forces of nature wrack havok on humanity I feel it is justified given how much we destroy nature.

Very interesting!

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by Prole
Originally posted by Taijitu
Most religions seem to teach peace and that is why they are attractive to so many people. The problem is that organised religions see the opportunity for selfing gain and have been exploiting good nature in people for centuries.

I'd agree with that.

They do teach (or preach) peace and yet so much blood has been spilled in their name.

Can I just say... what a bloody pleasure it is to have a debate like this with no one flying off the handle? I don't agree with everyone but there have been some excellent posts here.

:thumbs:

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by Kiawikepedia
HAHAHAHAAHA! LMFAO .. I got as far as 3rd sentence!


what aload of gobbly gooch!

What about the possibility of feeling the need to trivialize a possition when one feels out of control over these issues?:laugh:

[56natasha]

Originally posted by davidalbert
........as someone who has watched alot of Big Brother series 1 to 10 I often find myself watching with different 'hats'...sometimes as an observer of human behaviour.........
sometimes as a voyeur....

sometimes as a couch potato who just needs to be entertained.....

as someone informed by the CHRISTIAN ethic I think it is good to put on that 'hat' from time to time.....

BB is founded on the principal that we choose 'Who is the Greatest?'...i.e. best personality.........it sets up contestants as rival personalities.....

of course Christianity is founded on the principal that all humans are made in the image and likeness of God......to be brothers and sisters NOT rivals.......so we can see God in all BB10s contestants....hence my observation that Freddie 'looked like Christ' at times.....

Jesus ' 12 disciples would have made a GREAT set of Housemates...always arguing amongst themselves which of THEM would be the GREATEST in the Kingdom to come......
Jesus took a little child and set him in their midst and said 'whoever becomes like this littlle child will be great in the kingdom...the one who serves..not the one who lords it over others'..

Jesus also said : 'the first will be Last ..and the Last Will be First'.....so, judging by that standard...Benazir or Sophia are the real winners of BB10 te he :laugh:

To say the first will be last etc..is Jesus way of saying that our way of judging people is usually the opposite of GODs way...we will find all our value judgements turned upside down in the Life of the Kingdom.....

in our celebrity Botox Plastic culture we judge by who is sexiest, prettiest, wealthiest, bitchiest..but Jesus turns all these values upside down.......

From a Christian point of view BB presents both fascinating scenarios but also complex problems......how can we say one of Gods children is BETTER than another?........

it IS still worthwhile as a social and cultural exercise as LONG AS we dont really think that those who WIN are objevtively BETTER than those who didnt WIN.

WIN etc is a concept that needs constant deconstruction.....those who think they are WINNERS in this life may discover with a shock they have NOT WON in Gods eyes or future life.

I note Lisa wears a belt saying JESUS LOVES YOU from time to time.........she hasnt been one of my personal favourite housemates but she is a child of God and MAYBE, just MAYBE, she will shock us all and WIN. (wearing that belt)
After all, in Gods kingdom...anyone..and everyone can make it!...be APPROVED. :love:

The belt Lisa wears saying Jesus Loves You is not an act of her appreciation of God it is a pure fashion thing that set her back about £60!

[MargeryFan]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Taijitu
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,

God compares people's worth based on a non humanistic system, an idealistic system which no one NATURALLY adhere's to. It takes years of conditioning to reach a point where you can say i want the boring dull, ugly, uninteresting person to win. If it we're left to human nature, we would never see such a thing happen.

Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.


Man's duty on this earth is surly to COMPLY with nature or nature will surly kill man.......Religions go completely against nature and support delusional practices and thinking. The unhealth side of nature........Hence the disgusting state of the world with it's conflicting religious delusions all competeing for dominence.......The result of going against nature is self destruction.....

If you think the state the world is in is because of religion, then you reallly have been ill informed.


Ha ha ha If you think it's not then you are well deluded.......:thumbs:

Strikes me religion is mearly a tool used by the minority to control the many same as fudal system was and governments today are but on a more social level.

Bang on......Spot on........None deluded logic at last......

Oh come on! When somebody uses religion in a negative way, that is the individual's choice. There are trillions of good and decent hearted religious people out there that use their religion to help themselves and others. Why not blame the governments that sell weapons and start wars for what's going wrong with this world rather than blasting and labling good people. Religion isn't the beast, human nature is.

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by Taijitu
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,

God compares people's worth based on a non humanistic system, an idealistic system which no one NATURALLY adhere's to. It takes years of conditioning to reach a point where you can say i want the boring dull, ugly, uninteresting person to win. If it we're left to human nature, we would never see such a thing happen.

Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.


Man's duty on this earth is surly to COMPLY with nature or nature will surly kill man.......Religions go completely against nature and support delusional practices and thinking. The unhealth side of nature........Hence the disgusting state of the world with it's conflicting religious delusions all competeing for dominence.......The result of going against nature is self destruction.....

I know this may come over as sick but in a small way when I see forces of nature wrack havok on humanity I feel it is justified given how much we destroy nature.

I see no reason why we should not stop nature from harming it's creations. I guess your refering to stuff like pollution and that kind of thing, which ofcourse is nature at it's best

[Kiawikepedia]

Its a well known fact religion is dying out, so the quicker the better.

I wonder without religion what will WARS be about?

Relgion and God is pile of mythical S****e and is not worth the paper the fairy tale is told on.

Jesus, well seriously.. iv noticed a few things about religion is that its done more harm than good and that only people that are religious are young and loners, middle aged and virgins, or old and niave.

[MargeryFan]

Originally posted by Kiawikepedia
Its a well known fact religion is dying out, so the quicker the better.

I wonder without religion what will WARS be about?

Relgion and God is pile of mythical S****e and is not worth the paper the fairy tale is told on.

Jesus, well seriously.. iv noticed a few things about religion is that its done more harm than good and that only people that are religious are young and loners, middle aged and virgins, or old and niave.

Possibly the most ignorant collection of words I have ever seen

Congratz :pat:

[Zizz6]

Originally posted by Kiawikepedia
Its a well known fact religion is dying out, so the quicker the better.

I wonder without religion what will WARS be about?

Resources like oil as always. Religions are just excuses. It's easier to get people into the war if they think that god is on their side.

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Taijitu
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,

God compares people's worth based on a non humanistic system, an idealistic system which no one NATURALLY adhere's to. It takes years of conditioning to reach a point where you can say i want the boring dull, ugly, uninteresting person to win. If it we're left to human nature, we would never see such a thing happen.

Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.


Man's duty on this earth is surly to COMPLY with nature or nature will surly kill man.......Religions go completely against nature and support delusional practices and thinking. The unhealth side of nature........Hence the disgusting state of the world with it's conflicting religious delusions all competeing for dominence.......The result of going against nature is self destruction.....

If you think the state the world is in is because of religion, then you reallly have been ill informed.


Ha ha ha If you think it's not then you are well deluded.......:thumbs:

Strikes me religion is mearly a tool used by the minority to control the many same as fudal system was and governments today are but on a more social level.

Bang on......Spot on........None deluded logic at last......

Oh come on! When somebody uses religion in a negative way, that is the individual's choice. There are trillions of good and decent hearted religious people out there that use their religion to help themselves and others. Why not blame the governments that sell weapons and start wars for what's going wrong with this world rather than blasting and labling good people. Religion isn't the beast, human nature is.

Exactly. Religion hasnt just been responsible for just good deeds it has helped build some of the most beautiful buildings in the world and music. It has also however at times completely stunted intellectual and scocial development. The problem I see with religion is that human nature is that of survival and as such often selfish. As such religion seems to be used as a tool to gain power over others more often then for good causes as those who rise to the top are those who most want to have power and put the effort in.

That is why I want nature to win as that way more species flurish in the long run.

Anyhoos Im off for grub.:xyxwave:

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by Taijitu

Most religions seem to teach peace and that is why they are attractive to so many people. The problem is that organised religions see the opportunity for selfing gain and have been exploiting good nature in people for centuries.


Can i just ask is it not Natural to be selfish, thus is it not unavoidable that once a religion is established it will always pander to it's leaders selfish guidance.

Religion becomes a wrapper for selfish men's desires for power, wealth, and influence.

[MargeryFan]

Originally posted by Taijitu
Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Taijitu
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by PaulyJ
Interesting Post,

God compares people's worth based on a non humanistic system, an idealistic system which no one NATURALLY adhere's to. It takes years of conditioning to reach a point where you can say i want the boring dull, ugly, uninteresting person to win. If it we're left to human nature, we would never see such a thing happen.

Man's duty on this earth is to overcome Nature, as Nature is what will kill him in the end.


Man's duty on this earth is surly to COMPLY with nature or nature will surly kill man.......Religions go completely against nature and support delusional practices and thinking. The unhealth side of nature........Hence the disgusting state of the world with it's conflicting religious delusions all competeing for dominence.......The result of going against nature is self destruction.....

If you think the state the world is in is because of religion, then you reallly have been ill informed.


Ha ha ha If you think it's not then you are well deluded.......:thumbs:

Strikes me religion is mearly a tool used by the minority to control the many same as fudal system was and governments today are but on a more social level.

Bang on......Spot on........None deluded logic at last......

Oh come on! When somebody uses religion in a negative way, that is the individual's choice. There are trillions of good and decent hearted religious people out there that use their religion to help themselves and others. Why not blame the governments that sell weapons and start wars for what's going wrong with this world rather than blasting and labling good people. Religion isn't the beast, human nature is.

Exactly. Religion hasnt just been responsible for just good deeds it has helped build some of the most beautiful buildings in the world and music. It has also however at times completely stunted intellectual and scocial development. The problem I see with religion is that human nature is that of survival and as such often selfish. As such religion seems to be used as a tool to gain power over others more often then for good causes as those who rise to the top are those who most want to have power and put the effort in.

That is why I want nature to win as that way more species flurish in the long run.

Anyhoos Im off for grub.:xyxwave:

I can agree with you to a certain extent but certainly not the bit about it being used for bad more often then good. Anyway, nice debating with you, enjoy your grub :xyxwave:

[Twiggy]

I suppose where winning the show is concerned it depends on how many true Christians actually watch BB. If they did they probably wouldn't vote. I know a lot of Christians who simply refuse to watch the programme.

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by Twiggy
I suppose where winning the show is concerned it depends on how many true Christians actually watch BB. If they did they probably wouldn't vote. I know a lot of Christians who simply refuse to watch the programme.

A friend of mine looked down their nose at me when i said i was watching BB, i asked what tv do you watch and she said Supernatural.

I found this hillarious.

[Gavin]

You are an amazing person OP. I agree with many of your points.

I am a fellow Christian. I have come here to drum up support to evict Bea.

[HarryRag]

http://www.jesuswillreturn.com/signs/pic_signs/a121.jpg

[Shasown]

Some very good well thought out arguements both for and against religion.

Thing to remember todays world is a result of religion being the basis for most modern laws. That has both good and bad ramifications. Suffice to say without religion and the various rules(then laws) it imposed upon those following their various faiths, we would still be fighting like cat and dog between various tribes and even families within tribes. And as such probably none of the fantastic socio and scientific developments we have would be around.

Some very bad things have been done by people perverting the beliefs of religions to suit their own ends, however lots more very good things have also been done in its name.

Personally I think the OP should have named the thread "One Christians perspective on Big Brother" as he/she cant be expected to know all the views of all the different churches and all the members of those churches.

Incidentally the first and second world wars, stalin's pograms, the cultural revolutions of china, pol pot and a host of other 20th century and 21st century cleansing and misdeeds were in no way religion based. regradless of the flag flown by those carrying them out.

[PaulyJ]

Originally posted by Shasown

Thing to remember todays world is a result of religion being the basis for most modern laws.

Dont you think that is a red hearing. The world today is not a result of religion, as not all powerful people are operating with religion in mind, Bush may of said he was invading Afghanistan with a religious flag overhead but, he wasn't. The real reason was Human Nature.

Mugabe, selfish lust for power, human nature
Hitler, selfish lust for power, human nature
Idi armin - selfish lust for power, human nature

Poverty in Africa Laws preventing fair trade plus selfish Africans with their hand in the charity pot

Poverty on your door step - Selfish need to collect money and store it forever

Human Nature is the topic that is taboo, and so religion becomes the red hearing.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by PaulyJ
Originally posted by Shasown

Thing to remember todays world is a result of religion being the basis for most modern laws.

Dont you think that is a red hearing. The world today is not a result of religion, as not all powerful people are operating with religion in mind, Bush may of said he was invading Afghanistan with a religious flag overhead but, he wasn't. The real reason was Human Nature.

Mugabe, selfish lust for power, human nature
Hitler, selfish lust for power, human nature
Idi armin - selfish lust for power, human nature

Poverty in Africa Laws preventing fair trade plus selfish Africans with their hand in the charity pot

Poverty on your door step - Selfish need to collect money and store it forever

Human Nature is the topic that is taboo, and so religion becomes the red hearing.

I take it you didnt read the third or subsequent paragraphs.

And Bush didnt go into Afghanistan under a religious flag it was under a flag of revenge/retribution for the twin Towers Atrocity, speaking as one of the first Brits in there, he was out for blood and was acting on bad intelligence.


Incidentally Mugabe and Amin were more for retention of power, not religion Hitler started lots of problems in europe and never used religion, it was national pride(nationalism) he used to unite Germany etc.

[Taijitu]

Pitty we arnt in a pub. Ive started to reply to so many good posts only to go back thinking the forum is just too clumsy for this type of thing.:sad:

Edit: Least for me that is.

[PaulyJ]

Oh i did i also did not assume you blamed all problems on religion.

I am just confused as to why religion is discussed as anything to do with "the problem with this world is" when it is plainly obvious that religion is a man made creation, thus man must be at fault.

If i create a gun and bullets, and kill someone, i get the blame not the gun, and that is what most talk of religion is about, blaming the gun and ignoring the shooter.

[MargeryFan]

Originally posted by Taijitu
Pitty we arnt in a pub. Ive started to reply to so many good posts only to go back thinking the forum is just too clumsy for this type of thing.:sad:

Edit: Least for me that is.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I think this would have been a really good discussion face to face (beer in hand). :thumbs:

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by MargeryFan
Originally posted by Taijitu
Pitty we arnt in a pub. Ive started to reply to so many good posts only to go back thinking the forum is just too clumsy for this type of thing.:sad:

Edit: Least for me that is.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I think this would have been a really good discussion face to face (beer in hand). :thumbs:

Id be tempted to come dressed Pre-Raphaelite.:laugh:

[Belinda19]

Originally posted by davidalbert
...... From a Christian point of view BB presents both fascinating scenarios but also complex problems......

Yawn.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by PaulyJ
Oh i did i also did not assume you blamed all problems on religion.

I am just confused as to why religion is discussed as anything to do with "the problem with this world is" when it is plainly obvious that religion is a man made creation, thus man must be at fault.

If i create a gun and bullets, and kill someone, i get the blame not the gun, and that is what most talk of religion is about, blaming the gun and ignoring the shooter.

My point exactly, the original religion itself didnt cause problems, simple example, a commandment, do not kill, originally applied to only the killing someon in the same tribe of israel as yourself, then came to be applied to any of the tribes, nowadays its accepted by society as do not kill anyone unless we are at war with them(or other legal exceptions).

The original rules for any (in fact all established) individual religion were designed (either by god or by man) for people within that society to live together and make that society a better, more secure society. Religions cultured tolerance, care of the sick and weak, etc.

It was later mans interpretation or corruption of the basic tenets of the religion that caused most of the religious based wars - the crusades for example were a war of conquest instigated by greedy Christian leaders who wanted to ensure their place in both history and heaven but also to lay claim to the lands of the middle east. The leaders of the Islam people were more than willing to allow pilgrims to travel to the Christian religious shrines etc, also it was the muslims, who on the whole fought the war of the crusades honourably, who applied the christian knights code of chivalry as well as their own codes to both sides, unlike the christian knights who generally applied thier codes of chivalry only on themselves