Remembering Sree

[florence33]

I got the most laugh from Sree. That accent had me rolling when he spoke to BB in the diary room. The way he looked in the camera with weird confidence was my high-light of the show. One thing though, he was no fool about Noirin. She proved to be a heart breaker. Sree, wherever you are, thanks for the memories.:wink:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I thought this was sayign he died? He was funny know!

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by florence33
I got the most laugh from Sree. That accent had me rolling when he spoke to BB in the diary room. The way he looked in the camera with weird confidence was my high-light of the show. One thing though, he was no fool about Noirin. She proved to be a heart breaker. Sree, wherever you are, thanks for the memories.:wink:
Aye, utterly awesome HM, for me he epitomises everything great about BB, and was the star of this year's series. Shame he left, ahhh well. :lovedup:

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Shame he left, ahhh well. :lovedup:

Left? You mean he got booted out, thrown out, asked to leave, voted out by the general public. Evicted

[HalfwitFTW]

Big big up to Sree :cheer::hello:

The funniest thing was him saying: 'I'm 200% sure I'm not gonna get evicted'..... then two days later..... 'Sree you have been evicted please leave the big brother house'
:joker:

[GypsyGoth]

I like Sree http://i29.tinypic.com/2hq4bwl.jpg

[jgfrise]

Pity he was so appallingly treated by Marcus being racist about his accent. Really liked Sree:thumbs:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by jgfrise
Pity he was so appallingly treated by Marcus being racist about his accent. Really liked Sree:thumbs: How on earth was marcus racist about his accent?

He mimicked his accent, as the rest did all the time to each other.


But anyways, LOVED Sree...such a shame he got evicted early

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by jgfrse
Pity he was so appallingly treated by Marcus being racist about his accent. Really liked Sree:thumbs: How on earth was marcus racist about his accent?

He mimicked his accent, as the rest did all the time to each other.

But anyways, LOVED Sree...such a shame he got evicted early
That's a very blunt and dismissive way of viewing things, it's a lot more complicated than 'but the rest had their accents made fun of too'. While I wouldn't say he was racist, it was definitely something that COULD have offended someone of Indian origin.

EDIT: He also did that when in a HEATED ARGUMENT over shopping, not in jest ... big difference!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by jgfrse
Pity he was so appallingly treated by Marcus being racist about his accent. Really liked Sree:thumbs: How on earth was marcus racist about his accent?

He mimicked his accent, as the rest did all the time to each other.

But anyways, LOVED Sree...such a shame he got evicted early
That's a very blunt and dismissive way of viewing things, it's a lot more complicated than 'but the rest had their accents made fun of too'. While I wouldn't say he was racist, it was definitely something that COULD have offended someone of Indian origin.

EDIT: He also did that when in a HEATED ARGUMENT over shopping, not in jest ... big difference!

In that case you agree that charlie mimicking rodrigos accent could of offended someone of brazilian origin then? Especially since it was done as a mickey take to wind him up...

Doubt it though, somehow :rolleyes:

[sukymac]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by jgfrse
Pity he was so appallingly treated by Marcus being racist about his accent. Really liked Sree:thumbs: How on earth was marcus racist about his accent?

He mimicked his accent, as the rest did all the time to each other.

But anyways, LOVED Sree...such a shame he got evicted early
That's a very blunt and dismissive way of viewing things, it's a lot more complicated than 'but the rest had their accents made fun of too'. While I wouldn't say he was racist, it was definitely something that COULD have offended someone of Indian origin.

EDIT: He also did that when in a HEATED ARGUMENT over shopping, not in jest ... big difference!

In that case you agree that charlie mimicking rodrigos accent could of offended someone of brazilian origin then? Especially since it was done as a mickey take to wind him up...

Doubt it though, somehow :rolleyes:

thanks for that :thumbs:

[sukymac]

Originally posted by no1Joeno1
OMFG all this racist stuff is getting ridicolous now.

Yes people mimmick peoples voiced. But if you mimmick an Indians voice your racist? Unless you mimmick they're voice in and English accent? Well then it's not there voice is it?

Why is everyone so over PC now? :mad:

We're not even allowed to put St. Georges flags up when England are playing now.


im not pc i wasnt brought up in this pc age so i totally agree with you

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by no1Joeno1
OMFG all this racist stuff is getting ridicolous now.

Yes people mimmick peoples voiced. But if you mimmick an Indians voice your racist? Unless you mimmick they're voice in and English accent? Well then it's not there voice is it?

Why is everyone so over PC now? :mad:

We're not even allowed to put St. Georges flags up when England are playing now.

Agree. Its ridiculous.

[King Gizzard]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by no1Joeno1
OMFG all this racist stuff is getting ridicolous now.

Yes people mimmick peoples voiced. But if you mimmick an Indians voice your racist? Unless you mimmick they're voice in and English accent? Well then it's not there voice is it?

Why is everyone so over PC now? :mad:

We're not even allowed to put St. Georges flags up when England are playing now.

Agree. Its ridiculous.

werent you just calling marcus racist for mimicking srees voice? ;s

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Nathan
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by no1Joeno1
OMFG all this racist stuff is getting ridicolous now.

Yes people mimmick peoples voiced. But if you mimmick an Indians voice your racist? Unless you mimmick they're voice in and English accent? Well then it's not there voice is it?

Why is everyone so over PC now? :mad:

We're not even allowed to put St. Georges flags up when England are playing now.

Agree. Its ridiculous.

werent you just calling marcus racist for mimicking srees voice? ;s

No...

[King Gizzard]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
Pity he was so appallingly treated by Marcus being racist about his accent. Really liked Sree:thumbs: How on earth was marcus racist about his accent?

He mimicked his accent, as the rest did all the time to each other.

But anyways, LOVED Sree...such a shame he got evicted early
That's a very blunt and dismissive way of viewing things, it's a lot more complicated than 'but the rest had their accents made fun of too'. While I wouldn't say he was racist, it was definitely something that COULD have offended someone of Indian origin.

EDIT: He also did that when in a HEATED ARGUMENT over shopping, not in jest ... big difference!

In that case you agree that charlie mimicking rodrigos accent could of offended someone of brazilian origin then? Especially since it was done as a mickey take to wind him up...

Doubt it though, somehow :rolleyes: [/quote]



sorry, i was reading this bit where it has you as the person who said it for some odd reason?:S

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Nathan
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
Pity he was so appallingly treated by Marcus being racist about his accent. Really liked Sree:thumbs: How on earth was marcus racist about his accent?

He mimicked his accent, as the rest did all the time to each other.

But anyways, LOVED Sree...such a shame he got evicted early
That's a very blunt and dismissive way of viewing things, it's a lot more complicated than 'but the rest had their accents made fun of too'. While I wouldn't say he was racist, it was definitely something that COULD have offended someone of Indian origin.

EDIT: He also did that when in a HEATED ARGUMENT over shopping, not in jest ... big difference!

In that case you agree that charlie mimicking rodrigos accent could of offended someone of brazilian origin then? Especially since it was done as a mickey take to wind him up...

Doubt it though, somehow :rolleyes:



sorry, i was reading this bit where it has you as the person who said it for some odd reason?:S [/quote]

Yeah, I've sorted the quotes out now...hate it when that happens :spin:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

In that case you agree that charlie mimicking rodrigos accent could of offended someone of brazilian origin then? Especially since it was done as a mickey take to wind him up...

Doubt it though, somehow :rolleyes:
It seems you don't understand how racist or potentially racist comments work. It's not about blunt comparisons, like you are making. Mimicking Indian accents connects to racism, abuse and ostracising that Indians had faced from Brits for decades. That same inference doesn't hold when mocking a Brazilian accent or a posh-boy's accent. You can't bluntly compare things like that.

I do find it funny that nearly ALL the people who say Marcus wasn't being offensive at all, or potentially offensive, are white and british. They miss the point with regards to what connotations certain actions and phrases have. It's a cop out to be honest.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

In that case you agree that charlie mimicking rodrigos accent could of offended someone of brazilian origin then? Especially since it was done as a mickey take to wind him up...

Doubt it though, somehow :rolleyes:
It seems you don't understand how racist or potentially racist comments work. It's not about blunt comparisons, like you are making. Mimicking Indian accents connects to racism, abuse and ostracising that Indians had faced from Brits for decades. That same inference doesn't hold when mocking a Brazilian accent or a posh-boy's accent. You can't bluntly compare things like that.

I do find it funny that nearly ALL the people who say Marcus wasn't being offensive at all, or potentially offensive, are white and british. They miss the point with regards to what connotations certain actions and phrases have. It's a cop out to be honest.

Ok, so basically mimicking other nationalities is alright...as long as they are not indian?

:rolleyes:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by no1Joeno1
OMFG all this racist stuff is getting ridicolous now.

Yes people mimmick peoples voiced. But if you mimmick an Indians voice your racist? Unless you mimmick they're voice in and English accent? Well then it's not there voice is it?

Why is everyone so over PC now? :mad:

We're not even allowed to put St. Georges flags up when England are playing now.
Well if society was never racist in the first place, then this wouldn't be an issue. But the fact remains, mimicking an Indian accent is not equivalent to micking a Brazilian accent, within English culture.

If you guys see it as bluntly and surface-level as that, then there's little point in me even discussing this issue. It's NOTHING like that, at all.

[Big_Kahuna]

I'm marcus fan through and through, but Sree was my fave at first, great BB housemate

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Ok, so basically mimicking other nationalities is alright...as long as they are not indian?

:rolleyes:
If the nationality in Q has no connection to sustained prejudice within that culture/society, and you know that the person in Q would be cool with it anyway, then yes it is.

What extensive racism have Brazilians faced in the UK in the past 50 years, to then claim that mocking their accents would cause offense?

Mocking Indian accent = Inference to racism that Indians have endured and overcome for half a century

Mocking Brazilian accent = No inference

Also, Marcus mocking was done in AN ARGUMENT, as a form of ATTACK. Not 'playfully'.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Ok, so basically mimicking other nationalities is alright...as long as they are not indian?

:rolleyes:

Apparently so, Vicky, it would appear that anti racism legislation applies only to those who come from the Indian sub continent. In certain peoples eyes.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
Ok, so basically mimicking other nationalities is alright...as long as they are not indian?

:rolleyes:
If the nationality in Q has no connection to sustained prejudice within that culture/society, and you know that the person in Q would be cool with it anyway, then yes it is.

What extensive racism have Brazilians faced in the UK in the past 50 years, to then claim that mocking their accents would cause offense?

Mocking Indian accent = Inference to racism that Indians have endured and overcome for half a century

Mocking Brazilian accent = No inference

Also, Marcus mocking was done in AN ARGUMENT, as a form of ATTACK. Not 'playfully'.

Charlies wasnt playfully either. Its amazing what lengths you will go to twist every situation to suit your own view...seriously.

If it is racist to mock an indian, it is also racist to mock anyone of a different nationality. You can't just twist everything to suit yourself.

[King Gizzard]

Tbh your right ahmedfan.


it can be interpreted as racist but I don't think he is generally racist. I think it was in the heat of the moment

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Nathan
Tbh your right ahmedfan.


it can be interpreted as racist but I don't think he is generally racist. I think it was in the heat of the moment

It could be interpreted as racist...yes, but if you DO view it as racist, then you would also view charlies mimicking of rodrigos accent as racist. Unless you are just trying to twist things to suit yourself like some...

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
If it is racist to mock an indian, it is also racist to mock anyone of a different nationality. You can't just twist everything to suit yourself.
No it isn't, because it depends on the inference and connotations. Mocking certain accents can imply a lot of things and then cause offense. I am not twisting anything here, you just don't understand this simple point.

Mocking Indian accents has inference
Mocking African noses has inference

Mocking Italian taste in food has little inference
Mocking Brazilian accent has little inference

You have a problem with these various standards; well that's because of the racist society that we live in, and which has been built upon. If it was never racist at all, this wouldn't be an issue!

[King Gizzard]

Was that a mis-quote vicky? :tongue:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by no1Joeno1
Well apparently only white people can be racist.
Mainly so, because most of the racism has been whites onto a minority race. I don't write the history books, that's just the way it's been, certainly with regards to the UK. Slavery, Indian immigrants, etc.

Like there's a Black Music Awards. If it was White Music Awards, it would be racist.
Because the idea is to try and create equality between the races, due to all the racism, segregation etc that has happened for centuries.

You guys still don't get this. As someone not white and british, maybe I do?

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
If it is racist to mock an indian, it is also racist to mock anyone of a different nationality. You can't just twist everything to suit yourself.
No it isn't, because it depends on the inference and connotations. Mocking certain accents can imply a lot of things and then cause offense. I am not twisting anything here, you just don't understand this simple point.

Mocking Indian accents has inference
Mocking African noses has inference

Mocking Italian taste in food has little inference
Mocking Brazilian accent has little inference

You have a problem with these various standards; well that's because of the racist society that we live in, and which has been built upon. If it was never racist at all, this wouldn't be an issue!

Because it depends on the inference and connotations....

No it doesnt. At all.

I'm done here...cant talk sense to people who don't understand the meaning of the word.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Nathan
Tbh your right ahmedfan.


it can be interpreted as racist but I don't think he is generally racist. I think it was in the heat of the moment
I know Marcus isn't, but the point was, mocking an Indian accent implies a lot of things, potentially offensive. It's not equivalent to all the light-hearted BS examples that others have given thus far.

[King Gizzard]

I think its an issue that needs to be laid to rest, because there are equally valid arguments imo

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Because it depends on the inference and connotations....

No it doesnt. At all.

I'm done here...cant talk sense to people who don't understand the meaning of the word.
LOL, yes it does. If it implies 50 years of racism in the UK and ostracizing, or if it implies slavery and segregation ... then yes that matters.

I'm sorry if you don't like these standards, but that's the reality. If you want rid of the standards, then re-write the history books.

No racism in society EVER = Equal standards for all, equal footing, etc.

[Vicky.]

Ahmed..are you also one of these that believes that indian people cant be racist towards white people?

Certainly seems that way.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Nathan
I think its an issue that needs to be laid to rest, because there are equally valid arguments imo
I don't think Vicky has made a valid argument. She believes that if you mock a Brazilian accent, then you can mock an Indian accent, because then it's 'fair and equal'. She's way off mark, and thinking VERY bluntly and surface level here.

If one infers 50 years of racism and ostracizing, and the other infers nothing ...

Then there's a MASSIVE difference in potentiality of offense. :rolleyes:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Nathan
I think its an issue that needs to be laid to rest, because there are equally valid arguments imo
I don't think Vicky has made a valid argument. She believes that if you mock a Brazilian accent, then you can mock an Indian accent, because then it's 'fair and equal'. She's way off mark, and thinking VERY bluntly and surface level here.

If one infers 50 years of racism and ostracizing, and the other infers nothing ...

Then there's a MASSIVE difference in potentiality of offense. :rolleyes:

No theres not.

Racism is racism no matter which country people are from/what colour etc the person on the recieiving end is.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Ahmed..are you also one of these that believes that indian people cant be racist towards white people?

Certainly seems that way.
In theory of course they can. But it's a lot harder. What mocking could an Indian person do towards an English person? It would infer nothing, there'd be no deep connection to x years of racism or anything, it'd just be a cheap dig.

I'm struggling to think of something an Indian could do.

Racist words and actions are reserved for minorities, and have impact on minority groups. Because racism has been primarily whites ---> minority group. That's just the way history has been.

We do not have control over the past 100 years. Sorry. :rolleyes:

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
No it isn't, because it depends on the inference and connotations. Mocking certain accents can imply a lot of things and then cause offense. I am not twisting anything here, you just don't understand this simple point.

Mocking Indian accents has inference
Mocking African noses has inference

Mocking Italian taste in food has little inference
Mocking Brazilian accent has little inference


Racism is
‘Any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person. The incident does not have to be a crime The main types of incident are:

Assault - when someone is physically attacked
Damage - when property is damaged e.g. broken window
Abuse - when verbal abuse is given e.g. name calling
Harassment - continual nuisance however minor.

If Rodders took offense or anyone else took offense at the mocking of the Brazilian accent then its racism.

What you have to keep in mind though is the intent behind the incident. Was it designed to belittle the victim, because of his race. Did the incident occur because of the element of race.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
It could be interpreted as racist...yes, but if you DO view it as racist, then you would also view charlies mimicking of rodrigos accent as racist. Unless you are just trying to twist things to suit yourself like some...
No. I've told you exactly what mocking an Indian accent would infer.

What does mocking a Brazilian accent infer? Nothing, because Brazilians haven't faced significant prejudice or ostracizing in British culture.

You don't get this though, so no worries.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
It could be interpreted as racist...yes, but if you DO view it as racist, then you would also view charlies mimicking of rodrigos accent as racist. Unless you are just trying to twist things to suit yourself like some...
No. I've told you exactly what mocking an Indian accent would infer.

What does mocking a Brazilian accent infer? Nothing, because Brazilians haven't faced significant prejudice or ostracizing in British culture.

You don't get this though, so no worries.

I think its you that doesnt get it.

It does not make the slightest bit of difference what has happened in history...we live today. If someone is racist towards any nationality, then it is still racism...its not worse racism just because the person on the recieving end is indian/a jew etc. All racism is the same. Its wrong.

Plus...I want to make it clear that I dont actually believe charlie was being racist to rodrigo...it was just an example.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by no1Joeno1
Wow you anti racist people really are "racist" with how you think some races are more important than others.

Mocking someone's accent who is annoying you isn't racist. But I don't see how it is less racist if it is a Brazilian accent, not an Indian one.
LOL, nobody has said in the thread that any race is more important than another.

And it's not equal because one action can infer things that are derogatory and upsetting, whereas the other action has no inference.

EXAMPLE:
Telling a black guy "You'd make a good farmer" ---> Could offend him because it relates to slavery and sugar cane farmers.

Telling a Greek guy "You'd make a good farmer" ----> No racist, derogatory inference. No history of greeks abused as farmers, etc.

Anyone get it yet apart from me?

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
No theres not.

Racism is racism no matter which country people are from/what colour etc the person on the recieiving end is.
Yes, racism is racism.

But mocking an Indian accent and mocking a Brazilian accent is not the same.

One can be racist, the other can't be really.

It is theoretically possible to be racist to White people, but I'd be hard pushed. Most ideas would certainly have less impact than offense that whites could cause to blacks, for example.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
No theres not.

Racism is racism no matter which country people are from/what colour etc the person on the recieiving end is.
Yes, racism is racism.

But mocking an Indian accent and mocking a Brazilian accent is not the same.

One can be racist, the other can't be really.

So its not possible to be racist to a brazilian is it not?

Mocking accents is not racist anyway, in my reckoning, unless it is done maliciously...in which case it is equally offensive to both indians AND brazilians...


You can be racist to anyone of a different race...

Indians can be racist to Brazilians
English can be racist to Indians
Brazilians can be racist to Indians

And so on...

[Shasown]

Mocking a Brazilian because of their race or culture is the same as mocking an Indian for the same.

If you cant put the alleged abuses of the past behind you, it's you with the problem.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
I think its you that doesnt get it.

It does not make the slightest bit of difference what has happened in history...we live today. If someone is racist towards any nationality, then it is still racism...
No, you're really way off the mark here, I'm actually gobsmacked.

You cannot say that history doesn't matter because we live today, that's a totally nonsense argument. History pervades everything of today, every second is founded upon the previous second. We are a product of history, the past determines the future.

And another key thing. Yes, racism to a white person is still racism. But my point is, you can't just be racist to him by simply mocking his accent. There's no inference, there's no history of prejudice that it implies. There's no deep-rooted suffering or inferiority implied by it. It's just a cheap dig.

Or you could say, that it is VERY midly racist, and MUCH less so than the reverse of mocking an Indian accent. The potentiality of offense is much greater because of what it implies and infers.

Tell a white guy he'd make a good sugar cane farmer.
Tell a black guy he'd make a good sugar cane farmer.

Do you get it yet? It's racist in one case, not in the other. And yes, because of history. YOU CAN'T IGNORE HISTORY for benefits. Sorry. :rolleyes:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
So its not possible to be racist to a brazilian is it not?

Mocking accents is not racist anyway, in my reckoning, unless it is done maliciously...in which case it is equally offensive to both indians AND brazilians...

You can be racist to anyone of a different race...

Indians can be racist to Brazilians
English can be racist to Indians
Brazilians can be racist to Indians

And so on...
Yes you can be racist to anyone. But not really by mocking his Brazilian accent. Mocking accent is a great way to be racist to an Indian though. Or calling a black person a great sugar cane farmer.

For Brazilians, I wouldn't really know. Maybe you could find out the right phrases/words. :rolleyes:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
I think its you that doesnt get it.

It does not make the slightest bit of difference what has happened in history...we live today. If someone is racist towards any nationality, then it is still racism...
No, you're really way off the mark here, I'm actually gobsmacked.

You cannot say that history doesn't matter because we live today, that's a totally nonsense argument. History pervades everything of today, every second is founded upon the previous second. We are a product of history, the past determines the future.

And another key thing. Yes, racism to a white person is still racism. But my point is, you can't just be racist to him by simply mocking his accent. There's no inference, there's no history of prejudice that it implies. There's no deep-rooted suffering or inferiority implied by it. It's just a cheap dig.

Or you could say, that it is VERY midly racist, and MUCH less so than the reverse of mocking an Indian accent. The potentiality of offense is much greater because of what it implies and infers.

Tell a white guy he'd make a good sugar cane farmer.
Tell a black guy he'd make a good sugar cane farmer.

Do you get it yet? It's racist in one case, not in the other. And yes, because of history. YOU CAN'T IGNORE HISTORY for benefits. Sorry. :rolleyes:

Honestly...that chip on your shoulder due to fall off yet?

This is the most nonsense I have heard in a long time.

I think you would have a lot of trouble getting people to agree with this arguement.

RACISM IS RACISM NO MATTER WHO IS ON THE RECIEVING END.

Just because indians have suffered in the past, that does NOT make racism towards them any different to any other form of racism.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004


EXAMPLE:
Telling a black guy "You'd make a good farmer" ---> Could offend him because it relates to slavery and sugar cane farmers.

Telling a Greek guy "You'd make a good farmer" ----> No racist, derogatory inference. No history of greeks abused as farmers, etc.

Anyone get it yet apart from me?

Wow what a great comment, so being white i should avoid making any sort of remark to a coloured person, because they will draw from it some totally out of context idea i am referring to their history and how us whiteys put upon them.

Nothing to do with the fact he may be good at raising plants etc?

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown
If you cant put the alleged abuses of the past behind you, it's you with the problem.
ROFL. Maybe all the Indians and Africans who got upset about being offended/abused should apologise for remembering their history. They should ignore it, so that people can mock their accents etc and it would be fine, since history is ignored. :rolleyes:

Let's ignore XMas now, that's just BS based on history! :rolleyes:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
So its not possible to be racist to a brazilian is it not?

Mocking accents is not racist anyway, in my reckoning, unless it is done maliciously...in which case it is equally offensive to both indians AND brazilians...

You can be racist to anyone of a different race...

Indians can be racist to Brazilians
English can be racist to Indians
Brazilians can be racist to Indians

And so on...
Yes you can be racist to anyone. But not really by mocking his Brazilian accent. Mocking accent is a great way to be racist to an Indian though. Or calling a black person a great sugar cane farmer.

For Brazilians, I wouldn't really know. Maybe you could find out the right phrases/words. :rolleyes:

Noone said anything about phrases or words though, you brought that example up.

This is about mocking accents...

Which could be offensive to ANYONE on the recieving end.

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

In that case you agree that charlie mimicking rodrigos accent could of offended someone of brazilian origin then? Especially since it was done as a mickey take to wind him up...

Doubt it though, somehow :rolleyes:
It seems you don't understand how racist or potentially racist comments work. It's not about blunt comparisons, like you are making. Mimicking Indian accents connects to racism, abuse and ostracising that Indians had faced from Brits for decades. That same inference doesn't hold when mocking a Brazilian accent or a posh-boy's accent. You can't bluntly compare things like that.

I do find it funny that nearly ALL the people who say Marcus wasn't being offensive at all, or potentially offensive, are white and british. They miss the point with regards to what connotations certain actions and phrases have. It's a cop out to be honest.

Actually you make a good point here Ahmedfan.

It's like if a British person shortened the word 'Australian' and called someone an 'Aussie' instead... or an American called a British person a 'Brit'. this would not be considered racist at all. But shortening the word 'Pakistani' and calling someone a '****' WOULD be seen as racist, because the word '****' has a history of being used in an insulting and derogatory manner, and has negative connotations, whereas 'Brit' and 'Aussie' do not.

Same with accents. Mocking certain accents CAN be seen as racist because of what has happened in history. It really is not 'one rule applies to all'.

And by the way, I am not white either but I honestly dont think Marcus was being racist at all

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Shasown
If you cant put the alleged abuses of the past behind you, it's you with the problem.
ROFL. Maybe all the Indians and Africans who got upset about being offended/abused should apologise for remembering their history. They should ignore it, so that people can mock their accents etc and it would be fine, since history is ignored. :rolleyes:

Let's ignore XMas now, that's just BS based on history! :rolleyes:

Dont show your ignorance Ahmedfan. Xmas (as in the birthday of Jesus BarJoseph) didnt happen in December nor did it happen 2009 years ago.

So ALL Africans and Indians were abused by ALL the white folks in the past. And none of the poor suffering Indians and Africans abused anyone else be they white black pink or dayglo durking orange?

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Noone said anything about phrases or words though, you brought that example up.

This is about mocking accents...

Which could be offensive to ANYONE on the recieving end.
It is far more likely, and far more logically, to cause offence to an Indian, than a Brazilian. This is why BB pulled Marcus into the DR. He doesn't get it yet.

I think I know the problem, I've spotted it.

We want or aim for equality in society, right, amongst all races. So logically we think, "Well if we can mock one accent, then we can mock another, that's fair and equal. No special benefits."

But because of history and inference, that argument brakes down.

You're asking people to forget history and forget inference. But that's basically impossible. How can you forget it? That's rather far-fetched.

An example of being racist to whites would be some action/phrase/word that relates to the apartheid incident in South Africa. As an example.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW

It's like if a British person shortened the word 'Australian' and calling someone an 'Aussie' instead... or an American called a British person a 'Brit'. this would not be considered racist at all. But shortening the word 'Pakistani' and calling someone a '****' would be seen as racist, because the word '****' has a history of being used in an insulting and derogatory manner, and has negative connotations, whereas 'Brit' and 'Aussie' do not.

Yes that bit I totally get. **** is a very offensive word because of history.

However the mocking of accents thing...anyone of another nationality can take it as racism...depending on the context of it.

But I dont think mocking accents is racist...as i said before, unless it is done specifically to offend in that way...for example calling someone a ****, and then proceeding to mock their accent would be racist. But if they mock your and you do it back, that is not racist.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown

So ALL Africans and Indians were abused by ALL the white folks in the past. And none of the poor suffering Indians and Africans abused anyone else be they white black pink or dayglo durking orange?
I don't write the history books and I'm not the one dictating society. It is what it is. There is a history and people remember it and they are entitled to remember it. If whites faced significant racism from other races, then it would be these 'other races' that would have to be careful with their actions/words/phrases.

Like I said, the strive for equality in society has led to a contradiction of sorts. By trying to be EQUAL in things like this, we end up causing offense.

Would you dare tell a 6 foot black man that he'd make a 'great sugar cane farmer'? Hey, you think it's OK and has no basis to cause offense. So I dare you. Stand by your posts. :wink:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
It's like if a British person shortened the word 'Australian' and called someone an 'Aussie' instead... or an American called a British person a 'Brit'. this would not be considered racist at all. But shortening the word 'Pakistani' and calling someone a '****' WOULD be seen as racist, because the word '****' has a history of being used in an insulting and derogatory manner, and has negative connotations, whereas 'Brit' and 'Aussie' do not.
Bingo we have a winner! Wooop Wooop! So glad ... :spin2:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
[
It is far more likely, and far more logically, to cause offence to an Indian, than a Brazilian. This is why BB pulled Marcus into the DR. He doesn't get it yet.


He was called to the diary room because he threatened sree with violence when he left the house. nothing to do with the mimicking of the accent.

If it WAS because of this, they would of pulled him on it straight away, not left it until later...also if they thought Marcus was being racist, they would never of allowed him to give his speech (which was SPOT ON by the way) without interupting him, and I would expect they would eject him, for said racism.

Or at least give him a warning for it. Neither happened.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
I don't write the history books and I'm not the one dictating society. It is what it is. There is a history and people remember it and they are entitled to remember it. If whites faced significant racism from other races, then it would be these 'other races' that would have to be careful with their actions/words/phrases.

Like I said, the strive for equality in society has led to a contradiction of sorts. By trying to be EQUAL in things like this, we end up causing offense.

Would you dare tell a 6 foot black man that he'd make a 'great sugar cane farmer'? Hey, you think it's OK and has no basis to cause offense. So I dare you. Stand by your posts. :wink:

Good lad, backing another loser so you decide to change the goalposts again. You didnt mention stating "sugar cane farmer" before, so when that arguement was slated you change the wording.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004


Would you dare tell a 6 foot black man that he'd make a 'great sugar cane farmer'? Hey, you think it's OK and has no basis to cause offense. So I dare you. Stand by your posts. :wink:

Noone said that though.

Again, we were on the subject of mimicking accents, not sugar cane farmers.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Yes that bit I totally get. pa** is a very offensive word because of history.

However the mocking of accents thing...anyone of another nationality can take it as racism...depending on the context of it.
LOL, if you get that, then you must be able to get what I've said! Mocking an Indian accent is basically the same thing, just something derogatory and relating to racism from the past 50 years.

Of course context, tone, manner, etc matter. But fact was, Marcus was treading on very thin ice there, hence why BB intervened.

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW

It's like if a British person shortened the word 'Australian' and calling someone an 'Aussie' instead... or an American called a British person a 'Brit'. this would not be considered racist at all. But shortening the word 'Pakistani' and calling someone a '****' would be seen as racist, because the word '****' has a history of being used in an insulting and derogatory manner, and has negative connotations, whereas 'Brit' and 'Aussie' do not.

Yes that bit I totally get. pa** is a very offensive word because of history.

However the mocking of accents thing...anyone of another nationality can take it as racism...depending on the context of it.

But I dont think mocking accents is racist...as i said before, unless it is done specifically to offend in that way...for example calling someone a pa**, and then proceeding to mock their accent would be racist. But if they mock your and you do it back, that is not racist.

I agree :thumbs:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown

Good lad, backing another loser so you decide to change the goalposts again. You didnt mention stating "sugar cane farmer" before, so when that arguement was slated you change the wording.
It's basically the same thing. What difference is there? It's another way of being racist, indirectly, just like mocking accents is.

Ok, then, just for you: I dare you to mock an accent to a 6' Indian guy who is built and mean looking. Since you are so confident that it can't possibly offend, everything should be fine.

Let me know how it goes. :wink:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
Yes that bit I totally get. pa** is a very offensive word because of history.

However the mocking of accents thing...anyone of another nationality can take it as racism...depending on the context of it.
LOL, if you get that, then you must be able to get what I've said! Mocking an Indian accent is basically the same thing, just something derogatory and relating to racism from the past 50 years.

Of course context, tone, manner, etc matter. But fact was, Marcus was treading on very thin ice there, hence why BB intervened.

But BB didnt intervene. the didnt do anything until he 'threatened violence outside the house'

BB even said that his warning was not because of this 'racism'.

I get that calling someone a **** is offensive...I do not get how it is only racist to mimick an indians accent but not to do the same to others of different nationalities...this is not the same thing as calling someone a ****...at all.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
He was called to the diary room because he threatened sree with violence when he left the house. nothing to do with the mimicking of the accent.
Wrong, it was for mocking his accent. You need to watch it back again.

Or at least give him a warning for it. Neither happened.
He did get a warning for it lol, all before his speech.

Sorry Vicky but you're just way off on your points tonight.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
He was called to the diary room because he threatened sree with violence when he left the house. nothing to do with the mimicking of the accent.
Wrong, it was for mocking his accent. You need to watch it back again.

Or at least give him a warning for it. Neither happened.
He did get a warning for it lol, all before his speech.

Sorry Vicky but you're just way off on your points tonight.

He didnt, BB clearly said that is was because of threats of violence outside the house.

I think it is YOU that needs to watch it back, not me.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
I get that calling someone a pa** is offensive...I do not get how it is only racist to mimick an indians accent but not to do the same to others of different nationalities...this is not the same thing as calling someone a pa**...at all.
What offense would calling Rodrigo a 'Brazili', have? None. I've explained everything in detail here but you're refusing to give in. There is no difference, mocking an accent, or a word, etc.

Mock Indian accent vs Mock Brazilian accent
Say pa*ki vs Say Brazilli

The comparisons highlight the same point. Certain things are offensive because they infer things, others aren't because they infer nothing.

It's all the same. Take your pick. Like I said to Shasown: Mimick the Indian accent to a 6' muscular mean Indian guy. If you're so confident that it's not offensive other than to lunatics like me and Sree, then do it. Let me know how it works out.

Halfwit doesn't mind, Rod doesn't mind, so why should this Indian guy mind? :whistle:

[BBUK4LYFE]

Sree was my favorite housemate.

Sad, that he was evicted.

The Noirin situation really screwed him up.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

He did get a warning for it lol, all before his speech.

Sorry Vicky but you're just way off on your points tonight.

http://beatfiltering.com/index.php/1010110A/76e15aaa334401b33c7c4e1c9ae0ae5668fdb6d262b35d8872 ca829b8bef419037ddb0f649069f6a20148

I dont know if you are living in the uk, if you are you need to view this via the proxy link I have put here.

He got the warning for the THREATENING language. Not racism.

They even made sure that he didnt think this.

Watch it again, and tell me where they say he got the warning for mimicking srees accent.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Shasown

Good lad, backing another loser so you decide to change the goalposts again. You didnt mention stating "sugar cane farmer" before, so when that arguement was slated you change the wording.
It's basically the same thing. What difference is there? It's another way of being racist, indirectly, just like mocking accents is.

Ok, then, just for you: I dare you to mock an accent to a 6' Indian guy who is built and mean looking. Since you are so confident that it can't possibly offend, everything should be fine.

Let me know how it goes. :wink:

There we go again changing the goalposts again.

It depends in the context in which the mocking was given, the mood of the people involved and also how well we knew each other.

Given the fact that Sree had at times done mocking impersonations of other people in there. It is called being able to give and take and not playing the race card.

[AhmedFan2004]

You are right Vicky, my apologies. The formal warning was for the threat, the 'mild telling off from BB' was for the derogatory mocking.

You got me on that one. :wink:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

What offense would calling Rodrigo a 'Brazili', have? None. I've explained everything in detail here but you're refusing to give in. There is no difference, mocking an accent, or a word, etc.

Mock Indian accent vs Mock Brazilian accent
Say pa*ki vs Say Brazilli

No I doubt it would cause much offense to call rodrigo a 'brazilli' and I have no doubt that calling sree a '****' would cause offense, and it WOULD be racism.

But I stand by my view that mocking accents is not racist. And if you think it is in the case of sree, then you would also think that it was in the case of rodrigo.

Plus...I dont see how you could view it as racism at all...especially since sree also joined in mocking other peoples accents...so he obviously didnt think that it was offensive for him to do, so why should it be offensive if people do it back?

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

In that case you agree that charlie mimicking rodrigos accent could of offended someone of brazilian origin then? Especially since it was done as a mickey take to wind him up...

Doubt it though, somehow :rolleyes:
It seems you don't understand how racist or potentially racist comments work. It's not about blunt comparisons, like you are making. Mimicking Indian accents connects to racism, abuse and ostracising that Indians had faced from Brits for decades. That same inference doesn't hold when mocking a Brazilian accent or a posh-boy's accent. You can't bluntly compare things like that.

I do find it funny that nearly ALL the people who say Marcus wasn't being offensive at all, or potentially offensive, are white and british. They miss the point with regards to what connotations certain actions and phrases have. It's a cop out to be honest.
Agree with your points.

I'm a Marcus fan and I'm hoping that he wins.

What he did by mocking Sree's accent and language was clearly offensive. He did intend for it to be that way. He only did it when they were arguing or to make fun of Sree.

Anyone arguing against that is completely ignorant to the subject.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

He did get a warning for it lol, all before his speech.

Sorry Vicky but you're just way off on your points tonight.

Errrrr no he didnt, he got a warning for his alleged use of threatening language.

he did explain that he didnt consider his langage threatening but it was possible some people could see it that way.

BB emphasised that the warning was not in any way shape or form as a result of racism, perceived actual or otherwise.

Incidentally it wasnt all Brits who were racist to Indians in the past 50 years, so would you please amend the comments you make about this to something like sections of the British community or some Brits. I take offense at your broad brush comments.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown
It depends in the context in which the mocking was given, the mood of the people involved and also how well we knew each other.
Yes and I never doubted that. But you're still skating on very thin ice by mocking an Indian accent. And even if you think you're being playful, know the guy well etc it could still offend.

More importantly, he could have solid ground for being offended. What's stopping him from saying that he was offended because it relates to racism etc that Indians sufferred?

Given the fact that Sree had at times done mocking impersonations of other people in there. It is called being able to give and take and not playing the race card.
Except Marcus was done in the heat of an argument with some aggression, and Indian accents have far more inference to racism and ostracization that Indians faced for decades in the UK.

And Sree never played the race card either. BB did, for him though.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

In that case you agree that charlie mimicking rodrigos accent could of offended someone of brazilian origin then? Especially since it was done as a mickey take to wind him up...

Doubt it though, somehow :rolleyes:
It seems you don't understand how racist or potentially racist comments work. It's not about blunt comparisons, like you are making. Mimicking Indian accents connects to racism, abuse and ostracising that Indians had faced from Brits for decades. That same inference doesn't hold when mocking a Brazilian accent or a posh-boy's accent. You can't bluntly compare things like that.

I do find it funny that nearly ALL the people who say Marcus wasn't being offensive at all, or potentially offensive, are white and british. They miss the point with regards to what connotations certain actions and phrases have. It's a cop out to be honest.

Ok, so basically mimicking other nationalities is alright...as long as they are not indian?

:rolleyes:
:conf2:

It's different when you are doing it in a joking manner. What Marcus did was to hurt Sree, by making fun of his culture and his accent.

I don't know why you have such a difficult time understanding that.

It all has to do with the intent.

[BBUK4LYFE]

I can't believe I just read the **** that Vicky wrote in here. :bored:

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
If it is racist to mock an indian, it is also racist to mock anyone of a different nationality. You can't just twist everything to suit yourself.
No it isn't, because it depends on the inference and connotations. Mocking certain accents can imply a lot of things and then cause offense. I am not twisting anything here, you just don't understand this simple point.

Mocking Indian accents has inference
Mocking African noses has inference

Mocking Italian taste in food has little inference
Mocking Brazilian accent has little inference

You have a problem with these various standards; well that's because of the racist society that we live in, and which has been built upon. If it was never racist at all, this wouldn't be an issue!

Because it depends on the inference and connotations....

No it doesnt. At all.

I'm done here...cant talk sense to people who don't understand the meaning of the word.
:laugh3:

Actually you are the one that's not understanding.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

In that case you agree that charlie mimicking rodrigos accent could of offended someone of brazilian origin then? Especially since it was done as a mickey take to wind him up...

Doubt it though, somehow :rolleyes:
It seems you don't understand how racist or potentially racist comments work. It's not about blunt comparisons, like you are making. Mimicking Indian accents connects to racism, abuse and ostracising that Indians had faced from Brits for decades. That same inference doesn't hold when mocking a Brazilian accent or a posh-boy's accent. You can't bluntly compare things like that.

I do find it funny that nearly ALL the people who say Marcus wasn't being offensive at all, or potentially offensive, are white and british. They miss the point with regards to what connotations certain actions and phrases have. It's a cop out to be honest.

Ok, so basically mimicking other nationalities is alright...as long as they are not indian?

:rolleyes:
:conf2:

It's different when you are doing it in a joking manner. What Marcus did was to hurt Sree, by making fun of his culture and his accent.

I don't know why you have such a difficult time understanding that.

It all has to do with the intent.

He didnt do it to hurt sree at all...he didnt mock his culture...yes he mimicked his accent, something which sree had done to others on countless occasions.

I dont get how its ok for one person to do it and not for others to do it back...I really dont.

Thats like me mimicking an irish accent, then the irish person doing it back and me saying they are racist...

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Nathan
I think its an issue that needs to be laid to rest, because there are equally valid arguments imo
I don't think Vicky has made a valid argument. She believes that if you mock a Brazilian accent, then you can mock an Indian accent, because then it's 'fair and equal'. She's way off mark, and thinking VERY bluntly and surface level here.

If one infers 50 years of racism and ostracizing, and the other infers nothing ...

Then there's a MASSIVE difference in potentiality of offense. :rolleyes:
She doesn't, her argument is total bullshit.

[AhmedFan2004]

Ok guys I gotta go, but really from my perspective, to summarise ...

= Some phrases/actions/words infer bad things and can relate to racist history, prejudices etc, whereas others do not. Which can cause offense.

= Tone, context, circumstance, knowledge of the person etc do matter too. But even so, you are skating on thin ice if you mock an Indian person's accent, and simply doing this can override a 'favourable' context.

= Marcus was casually warned by BB for mocking Sree's accent, but the Officialwarning was actually for his threatening behaviour in the garden (I watched the vid just now).

Night, I think we best end it here, just going round in circles now. :kiss:

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

In that case you agree that charlie mimicking rodrigos accent could of offended someone of brazilian origin then? Especially since it was done as a mickey take to wind him up...

Doubt it though, somehow :rolleyes:
It seems you don't understand how racist or potentially racist comments work. It's not about blunt comparisons, like you are making. Mimicking Indian accents connects to racism, abuse and ostracising that Indians had faced from Brits for decades. That same inference doesn't hold when mocking a Brazilian accent or a posh-boy's accent. You can't bluntly compare things like that.

I do find it funny that nearly ALL the people who say Marcus wasn't being offensive at all, or potentially offensive, are white and british. They miss the point with regards to what connotations certain actions and phrases have. It's a cop out to be honest.

Ok, so basically mimicking other nationalities is alright...as long as they are not indian?

:rolleyes:
:conf2:

It's different when you are doing it in a joking manner. What Marcus did was to hurt Sree, by making fun of his culture and his accent.

I don't know why you have such a difficult time understanding that.

It all has to do with the intent.

He didnt do it to hurt sree at all...he didnt mock his culture...yes he mimicked his accent, something which sree had done to others on countless occasions.

I dont get how its ok for one person to do it and not for others to do it back...I really dont.

Thats like me mimicking an irish accent, then the irish person doing it back and me saying they are racist...
My God, are you being serious here?

Marcus did make fun of Sree's accent to HURT him.

Weren't you watching back then?

He did it when they were arguing.

I have no problem with people mimicking other people's accent, but it depends on the circumstance. Marcus was doing it in a bullying way.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Like I said several times, I'm a Marcus fan.

But just because you are a fan of the guy, you don't have to wear homer glasses and worship his every move.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

More importantly, he could have solid ground for being offended. What's stopping him from saying that he was offended because it relates to racism etc that Indians sufferred?

And Sree never played the race card either. BB did, for him though.

He could have but didnt feel offended by it. Maybe because he comes from the richer section of Indian society he doesnt feel the "racism" that Indians suffered that a lot of people do. Who knows. I dont intend to analyse him or his reactions and reasonings.

Marcus says he didnt intend any racial slur by his comments. Sree didnt see any racial abuse or feel offended by it.

Isnt it also possible to see racist comments or undertones in lots of conversations between "brits" and "indians" if you really want to look for them.

Says a lot more about your attitude than the intent of the person involved.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
She doesn't, her argument is total bullshit.
LOL it's ok dude, might as well just let it be now.

The weirdest thing is when she understood how pa*i was offensive because it implies racist abuse that Indians had in the past, etc. Yet mocking accent's highlights the same point; infering past abuse, hence it can cause offense.

And similarly, calling Rodrigo a 'brazilli' would have no offense; relates to NOTHING. Mocking his accent also has no offense; relates to NOTHING.

But she's still going on that it's equal, Indian or Brazilian. It's just a nonsensical argument. And to forget about history and think only of the now. :rolleyes:

Night peeps! :kiss:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE

My God, are you being serious here?

Marcus did make fun of Sree's accent to HURT him.

Weren't you watching back then?

He did it when they were arguing.

I have no problem with people mimicking other people's accent, but it depends on the circumstance. Marcus was doing it in a bullying way.

Of course Im being serious.

It was a spur of the moment comment...yes it was a bad thing to do, but it was not racist, there was no racist intent behind it...they did it all the time, this time just happened to be during an arguement..

It wasnt bullying either...and unless you also class the way sree mocked freddies dyslexia during an arguement as bullying then you are a total hypocrite. Since I would say thats on round about the same level. Except the difference being Sree actually meant that as a very hurtful comment. I dont think Marcus did.

Going round in circles again.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

More importantly, he could have solid ground for being offended. What's stopping him from saying that he was offended because it relates to racism etc that Indians sufferred?

And Sree never played the race card either. BB did, for him though.

He could have but didnt feel offended by it. Maybe because he comes from the richer section of Indian society he doesnt feel the "racism" that Indians suffered that a lot of people do. Who knows. I dont intend to analyse him or his reactions and reasonings.

Marcus says he didnt intend any racial slur by his comments. Sree didnt see any racial abuse or feel offended by it.

Isnt it also possible to see racist comments or undertones in lots of conversations between "brits" and "indians" if you really want to look for them.

Says a lot more about your attitude than the intent of the person involved.

Exactly.

These days I'm sure people just look for racism where there is none...seriously.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
She doesn't, her argument is total bullshit.
LOL it's ok dude, might as well just let it be now.

The weirdest thing is when she understood how pa*i was offensive because it implies racist abuse that Indians had in the past, etc. Yet mocking accent's highlights the same point; infering past abuse, hence it can cause offense.

And similarly, calling Rodrigo a 'brazilli' would have no offense; relates to NOTHING. Mocking his accent also has no offense; relates to NOTHING.

But she's still going on that it's equal, Indian or Brazilian. It's just a nonsensical argument. And to forget about history and think only of the now. :rolleyes:

Night peeps! :kiss:

May be a nonsensical arguement to you and a few others...but I would imagine most people would see my point.

**** is an offensive word, period. Any indian called this, unless during jest with friends would find it offensive.

Mimicking accents is not necesarily racist, it depends on the context as I said...if someone said you stupid **** then continued to mock his accent it would be racist, if they were having an arguement about his country/background or something and his accent was mimicked, it would be racist..however this arguement was over shopping. And if the person it has been done to doesnt see it as this (which sree didnt) then there is no need to be looking for racism where there is none.

[AhmedFan2004]

Marcus did that in the heat of an argument. Hence why BB brought him into the DR about it. Because mocking an Indian accent, especially in the heat of an argument (NOT PLAYFUL, ETC) can cause offense.

Because ... it has connotations to prejudice, abuse etc that Indians sufferred in the past decades. A lot of the hate was inclusive of mocking accents in a derogatory, condenscending way.

That's why BB made an issue of it. And he had no way out, because it wasn't jokey either; they were in the heat of an argument.

Charlie got away with it with Rod because mocking a Brazilian accent has little ground for being racist. So it's not that offensive at all. EVEN IF they were not in a jokey situation.

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
I can't believe I just read the **** that Vicky wrote in here. :bored:

I actually think Vicky has made some good points as have Ahmedfan and Shasown.

It is one of those things you could argue and debate about till the cows come home and still not come to an agreed upon conclusion.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE

My God, are you being serious here?

Marcus did make fun of Sree's accent to HURT him.

Weren't you watching back then?

He did it when they were arguing.

I have no problem with people mimicking other people's accent, but it depends on the circumstance. Marcus was doing it in a bullying way.

Of course Im being serious.

It was a spur of the moment comment...yes it was a bad thing to do, but it was not racist, there was no racist intent behind it...they did it all the time, this time just happened to be during an arguement..

It wasnt bullying either...and unless you also class the way sree mocked freddies dyslexia during an arguement as bullying then you are a total hypocrite. Since I would say thats on round about the same level. Except the difference being Sree actually meant that as a very hurtful comment. I dont think Marcus did.

Going round in circles again.
Of course what Sree said to Freddie was wrong, but that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

The intentions of Marcus comments were to hurt Sree. Else he wouldn't have done it. Also add to the fact that it was done in an argument, that should be enough evidence to back that. In order to gain the upper hand Marcus said something that he knew was going to upset Sree even further. He did that by making fun of his culture and it clearly worked by how Sree reacted afterward.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

May be a nonsensical arguement to you and a few others...but I would imagine most people would see my point.
You know that's not the case. You think the BB production staff would be ignorant and obtuse about racism issues?

And read the other comments in this thread. Some people get it, you don't.

You want equality between races. So you say that it's ok for any race to mock another's race, as long as the context etc is suitable. But because of history, this ideal you have, falls apart.

That's the best way I can put it to you. It's a contradiction.

To have racial equality, on some level, we NEED inequality. We NEED certain favouritism and tilts to where it's needed. Otherwise you just end up with offense, inference to negative things of the past, one race dominating another as they were already ahead, etc.

Same thing with giving certain privilages to ethnic minorities. It's a form of catch up. The idea is, inequal privaliges enables racial equality.

That's the best I can do on this subject ...

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE

The intentions of Marcus comments were to hurt Sree. Else he wouldn't have done it. Also add to the fact that it was done in an argument, that should be enough evidence to back that. In order to gain the upper hand Marcus said something that he knew was going to upset Sree even further. He did that by making fun of his culture and it clearly worked by how Sree reacted afterward.
Yes, and that BB reviewed the footage, realised it was used attackingly in the heat of an argument when Marcus was ANGRY ...

And brought him into the DR. :rolleyes:

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004


That's why BB made an issue of it. And he had no way out, because it wasn't jokey either; they were in the heat of an argument.



Get your head out of where you have it.

BB raised it to show to the viewing public, it had reveiwed the situation and spoken to both sides and accepted no racism was meant or perceived.

That was simply an ass covering exercise on their behalf, to show the viewing public neither of the protagonists of the arguement considered it racist and they had investigated it themselves and deemed it not to be racist.

The warning was for Marcus making what could be perceived as a threat to sort Sree out, outside the confines of the BB house without the protection that afforded him.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
I can't believe I just read the **** that Vicky wrote in here. :bored:

I actually think Vicky has made some good points as have Ahmedfan and Shasown.

It is one of those things you could argue and debate about till the cows come home and still not come to an agreed upon conclusion.
What I disagree with her is on the intent behind Marcus's actions. Anyone watching it, knew he had nothing good behind it.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE

The intentions of Marcus comments were to hurt Sree. Else he wouldn't have done it. Also add to the fact that it was done in an argument, that should be enough evidence to back that. In order to gain the upper hand Marcus said something that he knew was going to upset Sree even further. He did that by making fun of his culture and it clearly worked by how Sree reacted afterward.
Yes, and that BB reviewed the footage, realised it was used attackingly in the heat of an argument when Marcus was ANGRY ...

And brought him into the DR. :rolleyes:
Yep...but some people don't see it as being that way. :bored:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

You know that's not the case. You think the BB production staff would be ignorant and obtuse about racism issues?

Well if it was racist, and they deemed it racist, they would have warned him...simple. They saw an arguement getting heated and stepped in...also they didnt want some people, such as you, finding racism where there was none.

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
And read the other comments in this thread. Some people get it, you don't.

Some agree with your very strange views, others dont.
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

You want equality between races. So you say that it's ok for any race to mock another's race, as long as the context etc is suitable. But because of history, this ideal you have, falls apart.

That's the best way I can put it to you. It's a contradiction.

To have racial equality, on some level, we NEED inequality. We NEED certain favouritism and tilts to where it's needed. Otherwise you just end up with offense, inference to negative things of the past, one race dominating another as they were already ahead, etc.

That makes no sense at all...to have equality we need favouritism in certain places...well thats NOT equality is it.


Quite simply, if sree thought it was ok to mock others accents, then he should be prepared for others to do it back.

Which he was, he didnt class it as racist, so neither should you.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown

Get your head out of where you have it.

BB raised it to show to the viewing public, it had reveiwed the situation and spoken to both sides and accepted no racism was meant or perceived.

That was simply an ass covering exercise on their behalf, to show the viewing public neither of the protagonists of the arguement considered it racist and they had investigated it themselves and deemed it not to be racist.

The warning was for Marcus making what could be perceived as a threat to sort Sree out, outside the confines of the BB house without the protection that afforded him.
I already said that the Official warning was for threatening behaviour, they pulled him into the DR earlier on regarding the accent thing though.

And yes, they did it to cover the grounds. But that's the point, it has definite potential to be offensive, even if it turned out that Sree was cool with it, and Marcus didn't mean it like that. But they had to do it; Marcus did it angrily in an argument!

The scenario of being pulled into the DR over copying Rod's accent, even in an argument, wouldn't happen - Because it has less potentiality for offense.

It's ultimately a grey topic going round in circles though. I'm gonna have to dash now.

Night everyone! :kiss:

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

May be a nonsensical arguement to you and a few others...but I would imagine most people would see my point.
You know that's not the case. You think the BB production staff would be ignorant and obtuse about racism issues?

And read the other comments in this thread. Some people get it, you don't.

You want equality between races. So you say that it's ok for any race to mock another's race, as long as the context etc is suitable. But because of history, this ideal you have, falls apart.

That's the best way I can put it to you. It's a contradiction.

To have racial equality, on some level, we NEED inequality. We NEED certain favouritism and tilts to where it's needed. Otherwise you just end up with offense, inference to negative things of the past, one race dominating another as they were already ahead, etc.

Same thing with giving certain privilages to ethnic minorities. It's a form of catch up. The idea is, inequal privaliges enables racial equality.

That's the best I can do on this subject ...

So what you are saying is its okay for Indians to mock others for their language and culture, but not okay for anyone else to mock Indians because of something you perceive as abuse in the past.

I bet the nationals of Pakistan and Sri Lanka agree whole heartedly with that perception.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
I can't believe I just read the **** that Vicky wrote in here. :bored:

I actually think Vicky has made some good points as have Ahmedfan and Shasown.

It is one of those things you could argue and debate about till the cows come home and still not come to an agreed upon conclusion.
What I disagree with her is on the intent behind Marcus's actions. Anyone watching it, knew he had nothing good behind it.

No there wasnt anything good behind it...but it was just an arguement...he shouldnt have done it...but it wasnt racist.

During an arguement about shopping marcus is hardly going to think 'oh I might mock his culture because he is of different race to me, lets mimick his accent' is he? :rolleyes:

[BBUK4LYFE]

I have a question for you, Vicky.

If you were having an argument with someone. Lets say someone from the US.

While arguing, he starts mimicking your British accent.

So you are telling me, you wouldn't find that a bit offensive in the least?

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
I have a question for you, Vicky.

If you were having an argument with someone. Lets say someone from the US.

While arguing, he starts mimicking your British accent.

So you are telling me, you wouldn't find that a bit offensive in the least?

No not really...unless he started with 'you english scum' or something simliar and then went on to mock my accent...but even then I wouldnt find it that offensive, no.

If I had mocked his accent before, and he did it back, I would have no grounds to complain anyways.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
That makes no sense at all...to have equality we need favouritism in certain places...well thats NOT equality is it.
LOL. To have equality in one regard (race) you may well need inequality in another regard (e.g. financial means, whatever) that is connected. It's just something that's a part of life I'm afraid. To re-address the disparity between races, close the gap, etc.

Originally posted by VickyJQuite simply, if sree thought it was ok to mock others accents, then he should be prepared for others to do it back.

Which he was, he didnt class it as racist, so neither should you.
No, for the billionth time, it's not that simple! You just look at it like that for convenience sake!

And you know why it's not that simple. And it's not about whether he felt it was racist or not on that particular occassion; the point was, mocking an indian accent can be offensive, esp in a heated argument as a form of attack.

But a Brazilian accent ... just no. Hence why BB did NOT bring anyone in the DR over mimicking Rod, even in arguments. They never did it, did they.

It's just not the same Vicky. That's the point. It's two seperate cases to be handled differently. It's not simple ... like you WANT it to be.

Life is not simple, or equal, or easily dealt with. It has layers. Sad, frustrating, tiresome, but true.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
I have a question for you, Vicky.

If you were having an argument with someone. Lets say someone from the US.

While arguing, he starts mimicking your British accent.

So you are telling me, you wouldn't find that a bit offensive in the least?

No not really...unless he started with 'you english scum' or something simliar and then went on to mock my accent...but even then I wouldnt find it that offensive, no.

If I had mocked his accent before, and he did it back, I would have no grounds to complain anyways.
Sree mocked Marcus's accent before?

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

No, for the billionth time, it's not that simple! You just look at it like that for convenience sake!

And you know why it's not that simple. And it's not about whether he felt it was racist or not on that particular occassion; the point was, mocking an indian accent can be offensive, esp in a heated argument as a form of attack.

But a Brazilian accent ... just no. Hence why BB did NOT bring anyone in the DR over mimicking Rod, even in arguments. They never did it, did they.

It's just not the same Vicky. That's the point. It's two seperate cases to be handled differently. It's not simple ... like you WANT it to be.

Life is not simple, or equal, or easily dealt with. It has layers. Sad, frustrating, tiresome, but true.

I dont want it to be simple...it IS simple.

Racism is racism whoever is on the recieveing end...it really IS that simple.

I've already said this anyway. We are going round in circles.

You think its only possible to be racist to indians, because of history, and I disagree...lets just leave it at that...

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown
So what you are saying is its okay for Indians to mock others for their language and culture, but not okay for anyone else to mock Indians because of something you perceive as abuse in the past.
Well in the former case the mocking wouldn't be very effective. You could complain that they are trying to be derogatory, or their intentions are bad. So that is grounds for complaining. But not for racist offense, since it connects to nothing. Just like me calling you 'whitey' would mean jack to you. And yes, connotations to the past obviously matter. Otherwise nobody would ever get offended at mocking accents, racist terms, phrases, etc - They'd have no link, or basis. That is why me calling you 'whitey' means zilch; no link, or basis.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
I have a question for you, Vicky.

If you were having an argument with someone. Lets say someone from the US.

While arguing, he starts mimicking your British accent.

So you are telling me, you wouldn't find that a bit offensive in the least?

No not really...unless he started with 'you english scum' or something simliar and then went on to mock my accent...but even then I wouldnt find it that offensive, no.

If I had mocked his accent before, and he did it back, I would have no grounds to complain anyways.
Sree mocked Marcus's accent before?

I dont remember specifically but he mocked a few of the other peoples accents, yeah.

Which is why I dont see how it could be offensive, if he feels its ok to do it to others, then why not have it done back to him...he obviously doesnt find it offensive if he does it himself...

[Shasown]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
I have a question for you, Vicky.

If you were having an argument with someone. Lets say someone from the US.

While arguing, he starts mimicking your British accent.

So you are telling me, you wouldn't find that a bit offensive in the least?

I wouldnt find it offensive at all, I would simply know I had won the arguement if the person had to stoop to a tactic like that.

And I would leave them in no doubt that that is what I thought of the arguement and their tactic.

Mind my accent is pretty hard to mimic

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
I have a question for you, Vicky.

If you were having an argument with someone. Lets say someone from the US.

While arguing, he starts mimicking your British accent.

So you are telling me, you wouldn't find that a bit offensive in the least?

No not really...unless he started with 'you english scum' or something simliar and then went on to mock my accent...but even then I wouldnt find it that offensive, no.

If I had mocked his accent before, and he did it back, I would have no grounds to complain anyways.
Sree mocked Marcus's accent before?

I dont remember specifically but he mocked a few of the other peoples accents, yeah.

Which is why I dont see how it could be offensive, if he feels its ok to do it to others, then why not have it done back to him...he obviously doesnt find it offensive if he does it himself...
Well if that's the case. All is fair game in my book, but it depends on the context of how it was done.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I dont want it to be simple...it IS simple.

Racism is racism whoever is on the recieveing end...it really IS that simple.

I've already said this anyway. We are going round in circles.

You think its only possible to be racist to indians, because of history, and I disagree...lets just leave it at that...
Yes I think we've come to a dead end here, hooray.

I don't think it is simple. I think it's a very complex issue. There's lecturers and teachers of this stuff with decades of learning ... not simple.

Yes, racism is racism. But racism to a white person? Different ball game? Is mocking Indian accents and mocking Brazilian accents gonna have the same effect (all else equal)? NO.

I think history is very important and must be considered with regards to these phrases, actions, etc. It it not like what you think it is; let's be equal, etc.

We need inequality to have equality. I've explained this to you. But again, you don't like it, because it appears complicated. Tough luck! :rolleyes:

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
I have a question for you, Vicky.

If you were having an argument with someone. Lets say someone from the US.

While arguing, he starts mimicking your British accent.

So you are telling me, you wouldn't find that a bit offensive in the least?

I wouldnt find it offensive at all, I would simply know I had won the arguement if the person had to stoop to a tactic like that.

And I would leave them in no doubt that that is what I thought of the arguement and their tactic.

Mind my accent is pretty hard to mimic
Well if someone started mocking mines in an argument, I would feel offended.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Shasown
So what you are saying is its okay for Indians to mock others for their language and culture, but not okay for anyone else to mock Indians because of something you perceive as abuse in the past.
Well in the former case the mocking wouldn't be very effective. You could complain that they are trying to be derogatory, or their intentions are bad. So that is grounds for complaining. But not for racist offense, since it connects to nothing. Just like me calling you 'whitey' would mean jack to you. And yes, connotations to the past obviously matter. Otherwise nobody would ever get offended at mocking accents, racist terms, phrases, etc - They'd have no link, or basis. That is why me calling you 'whitey' means zilch; no link, or basis.

Then in reality it is your problem with the past. If you cant accept the fact that in colonial times an Empire was won, and to keep it the over seers of said empire had to keep the people underneath downtrodden.

If the British were that bad and so intrinsically racist that we always have had and will hold such views of other races, why oh why do indians and other asians come over to the UK and settle? Is it they actually like being abused, its so deep rooted in their psyche they feel the need to come to the home countries of the oppressive and xenophobic Brits to live, just to get their weekly ration of abuse?

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

I dont want it to be simple...it IS simple.

Racism is racism whoever is on the recieveing end...it really IS that simple.

I've already said this anyway. We are going round in circles.

You think its only possible to be racist to indians, because of history, and I disagree...lets just leave it at that...
Yes I think we've come to a dead end here, hooray.

I don't think it is simple. I think it's a very complex issue. There's lecturers and teachers of this stuff with decades of learning ... not simple.

Yes, racism is racism. But racism to a white person? Different ball game? Is mocking Indian accents and mocking Brazilian accents gonna have the same effect (all else equal)? NO.

I think history is very important and must be considered with regards to these phrases, actions, etc. It it not like what you think it is; let's be equal, etc.

We need inequality to have equality. I've explained this to you. But again, you don't like it, because it appears complicated. Tough luck! :rolleyes:

It isnt complicted though, you are making it complicted by bringing history and stuff into it...

Now, I was never too good at history but was there ever problems as bad as between brits and indians, between say...chinese and brits? I dont think so, but if there was I can pluck a few other examples for you.

In that case, by your reckoning, its ok to call chinese people derogatory names (ch**ky etc) and mock their accents, because there is not history there?

And if you class it as racist, it would not be as bad racism as calling an indian a ****?

I think you are very very wrong about that. It is equally as bad.

History or no history, racism is racism. So yes, it IS simple.

[setanta]

I agree in part that racism can come from anywhere but you must understand it's potentially far more explosive and illjudged to mock an Indian's accent when you consider the weight of history and all the other connotations involved.

I'm Irish and if an English person were to mock my accent in the heat of an argument I'd blow a fuse with them..... it's just a kinda knee jerk reaction for nations or a race of people who have been oppressed in some shape or form from their recent past.

Hey, I'm not a slave to pc or anything like that but I do think that Marcus was a bit silly to stoop to that level, whatever his intentions were.

[BBUK4LYFE]

I have no idea about the history between the British and the Indians. I never really followed British History. So I feel if you mimic anyone's accent regardless of background its offensive. So I disagree with Ahmed on that part, but he could be right.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
I have no idea about the history between the British and the Indians. I never really followed British History. So I feel if you mimic anyone's accent regardless of background its offensive. So I disagree with Ahmed on that part, but he could be right.

That was exactly my point...

All racism is bad...it is not worse racism just because it is an indian on the recieving end.

[Viper29]

Surely what Marcus said back to Sree was EXACTLY what Sree had just said to insult Marcus (ie making out that Marcus was dumb for not knowing 13 13s),

So really racism doesn't play any aspect as the point Marcus was making was that Sree was trying to be arrogant with the shopping sums, so when Marcus got the sum quicker in his head repeated the insult back to Sree!

The fact he repeated it the way Sree said it had no racial connotations, but was highlighting Sree's arrogance of his own intelligence!! ( Sree was also guilty of doing this with Freddie )

[fitz2k2]

sree best housemate ever in big brother this yr #2 would be marcus,#3 halfwit

[incywincy]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
I think its you that doesnt get it.

It does not make the slightest bit of difference what has happened in history...we live today. If someone is racist towards any nationality, then it is still racism...
No, you're really way off the mark here, I'm actually gobsmacked.

You cannot say that history doesn't matter because we live today, that's a totally nonsense argument. History pervades everything of today, every second is founded upon the previous second. We are a product of history, the past determines the future.

And another key thing. Yes, racism to a white person is still racism. But my point is, you can't just be racist to him by simply mocking his accent. There's no inference, there's no history of prejudice that it implies. There's no deep-rooted suffering or inferiority implied by it. It's just a cheap dig.

Or you could say, that it is VERY midly racist, and MUCH less so than the reverse of mocking an Indian accent. The potentiality of offense is much greater because of what it implies and infers.

Tell a white guy he'd make a good sugar cane farmer.
Tell a black guy he'd make a good sugar cane farmer.

Do you get it yet? It's racist in one case, not in the other. And yes, because of history. YOU CAN'T IGNORE HISTORY for benefits. Sorry. :rolleyes:

I can't believe all that is being spouted here by AhmedFan2004.

You do tend to twist things to make sure that it fits your argument. however you are totally correct in the fact that you cannot ignore History.

It seems that most people who scream racism do so mainly at the Western people.

They bring up the slavery of the US as their prime example.

History has shown that there was misguided interference by the Spanish invading the USA and in conjunction with the English trying to change the Native Americans by clothing them and trying to change their religious beliefs among many more atrocities - WRONG!!!!!

The colonisation of Australia by the English. Sending criminals to prison camps not taking any consideration to the natives who already inhabited this Country. WRONG!!! at the time, but has since benefitted in being a great Nation who seem to have the utmost respect for their Native Countrymen.

The colonisation of India by the English. Misguided and WRONG!!!

The treatment of the slaves brought from Africa by the Americans - the worse of all the examples - WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!! Again brought on by ignorance of the period that was the beginnings of a culture.

There has been notes of slavery since time began, there will always be someone stronger.

As it happens now, there is no longer slavery of this kind and mercifully most Countries are allowed to be left in peace to believe in what they want.

This is where all the anti-racist people stop agreeing with me, because there is truth on many angles, some they like to hear and some they don't.

But this is where History pulls away from the atrocities of the extremists of the Western World over a matter of a few hundred years for each example and then we move to the atrocities that surround the Indian, Pakistani & Arabian world - The extremists of the Muslim Culture.

For the last 1430 years of the Muslim calendar there have been atrocities that have far outpaced what the Western world have done. The Culture believes not in the freedom of choice and anybody who does not want to conform to their beliefs are disposed of in some pretty awful manner. Decapitation seems to be an all time favourite.

History shows this over time. Whereas savagery has got less in all other societies, it seems that in the extreme Muslim society it has only gotten worse. It is sad to see that racism is alive and well within this culture and is not limited to just a single Country and its' people, but towards the whole non-Muslim world. These people are the true racists with inbred hatred to anyone not like them.

I welcome a multi-cultural world, and if I went to a different Country to live I would try to blend in to their way of life but also keep my own sense of the identity I was brought up with, whereas I think that anybody who moves to the UK or any other country should do the same, abide by the rules and laws of that Country and try to interfere with these.

I am not racist, but the way people speak so negatively about my Country whilst enjoying the benefit of what the Country gives them makes me extremely angry.

Let me give you a little history of my life and our racist problems. I am a patriotic Welsh girl. I speak the language and love it's history. The Welsh have been mercilessly picked on by our own Countrymen since the Saxons came here. Welsh is the oldest language in Europe, dating back at least 2500 years and initially all of Wales and most of England spoke the Ancient Welsh dialect. Then with the Saxon's invasion and the years that surpassed gave birth to the overburdening superiorities that were the Ancient English. The Welsh language nearly died out in the 19th century, due to a belief that English was superior, and was the only language which should be used throughout the British Empire.

A report of 1847, written by three English barristers who did not speak one word of Welsh between them, castigated Welsh culture in general, and Welsh schools in particular. It largely ignored the problems of poverty, deprivation, and poor housing, but determined that the problem with under performing Welsh schools lay with the Welsh language.

Our children ended up being chastised and beaten for speaking our native tongue in the schools. Our identity was slowly being being beaten into submission.

As a child I was bullied by local children (and some of the parents) for being Welsh. I still have to defend my language at times from other "Welsh" people who deem to think that's what they are because they live here, like the sterophonics and Tom Jones and follow the National Rugby team, but never once tried to learn the language or it's true heritage.

But we don't scream racist or jump on the racism bandwagon. We fight for our rights with courage and determination, hence now the Welsh language in on the up, we have bi-lingual street signs and more and more Welsh schools are being built and have a healthy waiting list of families desperate for their children to have the education that it provides.

Our accents are mimicked by many, either in jest or in malice, but if we walked into a police station to complain, we would get nowhere.

So what makes us different to the Indian person who's voice gets mimicked. It comes down to the politically correct crap pussyfooting state that we all live in. Scared to say boo to a goose. Hence the word racist has become overused and diluted by the small minded people who throw it in at every chance. racist isn't the mimicking of an accent, racist is for example, the KKK's beliefs that anyone who isn't white is wrong, it is the belief that anyone who doesn't follow the Muslim religion is wrong, it is the person of one culture who beats up another BECAUSE of their opposite culture that is wrong.

The main culprit of Racism is religion, hence I have no religion. I prefer it that way.

This is way to early on a Monday for me to be preaching my opinions, but these are my opinions and I strongly stand by them. I have friends who are Indian, Serbian, Chinese, Italian and Egyptian. We have had many chats over a glass or two of wine, where we all end up agreeing that it is a handful of extremists of every culture that breed racism.

Most people are happy to live in peace if just left to it.

I am sure there will be many people who will now come back on this post with animosity towards me, hell I may even get banned from here, but I feel I had to write this because reading all the was being said on here was making me so angry.

Stop using the word RACIST and RACISM on a whim, it is a strong word and should only be used for extreme purposes.

History will be something that will teach us where we went wrong, but it seems that society will keep making the same mistake over and over again.

[incywincy]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
I can't believe I just read the **** that Vicky wrote in here. :bored:

I actually think Vicky has made some good points as have Ahmedfan and Shasown.

It is one of those things you could argue and debate about till the cows come home and still not come to an agreed upon conclusion.
What I disagree with her is on the intent behind Marcus's actions. Anyone watching it, knew he had nothing good behind it.

No there wasnt anything good behind it...but it was just an arguement...he shouldnt have done it...but it wasnt racist.

During an arguement about shopping marcus is hardly going to think 'oh I might mock his culture because he is of different race to me, lets mimick his accent' is he? :rolleyes:

And he was given his official warning for that argument, not because of the mimicking of Sree's voice. It was because it was getting extremely heated.

It seems ok though that Sree was picking on Freddie because of his learning difficulties. :conf::conf::conf:

[atieah2009]

funny how he would answer hms cairon and marcus back either when hes leaving the room or when they are leaving the room l pussy

[incywincy]

That's because he was a coward, he would only shout back at someone when there was someone around to back him up if it got rough, or he would be running like a lapdog to Lisa whining away

[ange7]

He was like bea in that mid way through an argument he'd walk into another room and try to get help.

[incywincy]

Originally posted by ange7
He was like bea in that mid way through an argument he'd walk into another room and try to get help.

he wasn't as clever as bea though, I really still have trouble figuring out how he got his job as head of the Student Union (or whatever it was), he's hardly the most elloquent and brightest button is he!!!

[Shasown]

He is currently a student at Hertfordshire University and President only of the Student Union at that location.

What i would like to know though is did he ever clear up his student visa problem or is he still an "illegal".

[atieah2009]

Originally posted by Shasown
He is currently a student at Hertfordshire University and President only of the Student Union at that location.

What i would like to know though is did he ever clear up his student visa problem or is he still an "illegal".

haha my brothers going to that uni if me and my brother see him well so slap his ass

[incywincy]

Originally posted by atieah2009
Originally posted by Shasown
He is currently a student at Hertfordshire University and President only of the Student Union at that location.

What i would like to know though is did he ever clear up his student visa problem or is he still an "illegal".

haha my brothers going to that uni if me and my brother see him well so slap his ass

LOL I think you may be in a long queue.

I wonder how much of an act he was putting on in that house, to get such a job like that in a University of that stature, he must have an impecible grasp of the English language. This did not come across at all in the house. He seemed to have very limited English, very childlike. I just find it hard to believe that he can grasp an audience with the charade that he put on in the house

[AhmedFan2004]

Sree, always a BB legend, awesome HM. Thoroughly entertaining. Jai Ho! :thumbs:

[Braden]

he annoyed me but he was amazing television

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Sree, always a BB legend, awesome HM. Thoroughly entertaining. Jai Ho! :thumbs:

Just no Jai in BB10 eh :thumbs:

[aremjay]

Originally posted by BradenMaccie
he annoyed me but he was amazing television

I agree. I hated the way he constantly talked over people when they disagreed with him so that they couldn't get their point of view across. :mad:

[Nigeria_Bob]

He was mental…

[sooty]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Sree, always a BB legend, awesome HM. Thoroughly entertaining. Jai Ho! :thumbs:

Entertaining? May be............
But My memory of Sree = 15 times 15, very arogant and big headed.

[WAYNEEBRUM]

Wander if hes still uni president?

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally posted by jgfrise
Pity he was so appallingly treated by Marcus being racist about his accent. Really liked Sree:thumbs: That was just awful the way Marcus treated Sree, i think people seem to forget about this, thats one of the reason why i will be voting him out this week, as for Sree he was bit dipsy at times but he had a good heart, i still miss him.

[simplysic]

who knows..might hav been a better final to watch lol