View Full Version : Marcus' Weak Muscles - Worse than Usual?
ElProximo
24-08-2009, 07:31 AM
Marcus is not a big man but I think we all expected he would do fairly well in any strength competition for having that 'worksmans strength' and that sort of window fitters build,
yet,
He didn't show much in the truck pulling competition and I supposed Noirin was pulling harder than him despite almost killing himself to do it,
and,
Despite all but standing on top of Toms arm and giving himself an aneurysm - Marcy looked pretty sad in the arm wrestle.
Okay.
But I would have thought wrestling would be the perfect test of that 'workmans build' type of strength and suiting Marcys short fat build.
But wow.. ..he looks so weak. I mean really it was as if he has no strength at all?
Rodrigo barely seemed to be resisting and yet Marcy was just about dying to desperately move him around lol?
Obviously we know Siavash easily took the crown and is THE new Darkhorse,
but,
This is all leading to a sort of more serious question:
Are we just seeing how weak Marcus has always been,
or,
Is he even weaker than ever before?
I mean it was as if he barely had girl power in his muscles.
Could it be the diet?
It wasn't just that Marcus muscles are weak but he seemed to have zero athletic energy at all and tired out fast.
Maybe he is having some health problems?
Should a Doctor check him out?
I mean if he is this weak and lethargic then I'd be worried that The Darkhorse (Siavash) might even accidentally injure poor Marcy if they do any more of these events.
Or what if Rodrigo pushes Marcus and ends up sending Marcus home early from an injury?
olliebeak
24-08-2009, 07:47 AM
I think where Rodrigo was concerned, he was like a 'slippery worm' and just didn't keep still. Plus, obviously all that baby oil made him hard to get a grip of to push out of the pool.
But I'd like to say Well Done to Siavash - I really didn't expect him to win like that. I thought he fought 'very gentlemanly' against Sophie but certainly put up a really good effort against Charlie - despite Charlie's dirty tactics!
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
charmingmissc
24-08-2009, 07:52 AM
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
:thumbs:
sevenofnine
24-08-2009, 08:11 AM
Let's face it Marcus is weak. He was not a very gracious loser either!
gillgroom
24-08-2009, 08:22 AM
sour grapes in the diary room
Marcus :yuk::yuk::yuk::yuk:
Marg1
24-08-2009, 08:25 AM
I must have missed the 'not very gracious loser' part as I saw Marcus and Siavash shake hands.
ElProximo
24-08-2009, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by sevenofnine
Let's face it Marcus is weak. He was not a very gracious loser either!
I mean we knew he wasn't very strong but I still figured he would have a bit of that working-mans brawn. Workman types are often strongest when it comes to something like wrestling. Even a smaller Window-fitter man will surprise you with some hearty 'grappling' muscles,
but,
Marcus didn't just look like a fat weakling who didn't have to wear speedos (for our benefit I suppose),
but,
He looked powerless. And you could tell, as usual, he was going to just FORCE himself maximum (thought he would break something against Tom),
but,
No... I mean.. I think he is sick or something? It looked as if, had Rodrigo actually tried a bit harder - he might have tossed Marcy 3ft or just pinned him laughing.
I mean I have days like that. over-tired or something where I just can't lift a thing. That happens. Or just got a cold or something,
but,
I suggest Marcy might need an exam to see if he is strong enough to carry on.
Oh and BTW:
Months ago I told Marcy Fanboys that Siavash (who barely lifts a pencil all day) could throw Marcus around like a ragdoll.
Once again I was right.
Just a few days ago I said that Rodrigo could probably take on Marcus and..
...truth is that Rodrigo all but let Marcus win those ones.
Even still.. Marcy is still a lot wimpier than I even suspected.
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by sevenofnine
Let's face it Marcus is weak. He was not a very gracious loser either!
I mean I have days like that. over-tired or something where I just can't lift a thing. That happens. Or just got a cold or something,
that will be the menapuase(sp) darling. Probably also explains your fuddled logic and aversion to proper men. bless.
ElProximo
24-08-2009, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by sevenofnine
Let's face it Marcus is weak. He was not a very gracious loser either!
I mean I have days like that. over-tired or something where I just can't lift a thing. That happens. Or just got a cold or something,
that will be the menapuase(sp) darling. Probably also explains your fuddled logic and aversion to proper men. bless.
Wow what a great comeback.
What did you make of Marcy and his weakened state and how Rodrigo was quite easily tossing him around?
Did all his sulking and lack of activity lead to some even weaker muscles on Marcy or what?
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by sevenofnine
Let's face it Marcus is weak. He was not a very gracious loser either!
I mean I have days like that. over-tired or something where I just can't lift a thing. That happens. Or just got a cold or something,
that will be the menapuase(sp) darling. Probably also explains your fuddled logic and aversion to proper men. bless.
Wow what a great comeback.
What did you make of Marcy and his weakened state and how Rodrigo was quite easily tossing him around?
Did all his sulking and lack of activity lead to some even weaker muscles on Marcy or what?
errr...like i already said:
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by sevenofnine
Let's face it Marcus is weak. He was not a very gracious loser either!
I mean I have days like that. over-tired or something where I just can't lift a thing. That happens. Or just got a cold or something,
that will be the menapuase(sp) darling. Probably also explains your fuddled logic and aversion to proper men. bless.
Wow what a great comeback.
What did you make of Marcy and his weakened state and how Rodrigo was quite easily tossing him around?
Did all his sulking and lack of activity lead to some even weaker muscles on Marcy or what?
and again from a previous post -
I always thought siavash looked like the kinda creepy guy who loved getting naked smothered in baby oil and groping other men in a paddling pool. He seemed to have previous knowledge and experience and ect.
Marcus seemed a little disdainfull of the whole thing. Not surprising the enduring legend would not approve of a task that reeked of homo eroticism. Chaz loved it though.
Marcus always wins, even when he loses.
ElProximo
24-08-2009, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
He was delighted to engage in it and why not - this is the only way Marcus will ever wrestle slippery with anyone.
He better be thankful to take what he can get!
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
He was delighted to engage in it and why not - this is the only way Marcus will ever wrestle slippery with anyone.
He better be thankful to take what he can get!
not too sure about that...his pal helen seemed v fit and very eager to please the big man.
SiCkBuLLeT
24-08-2009, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by sevenofnine
Let's face it Marcus is weak. He was not a very gracious loser either!
20 press ups on one hand you say he is weak lol? i wish i could do it very good for a big man
Also i take it you missed his handshake after he lost
Don't insult other members.
ElProximo
24-08-2009, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
He was delighted to engage in it and why not - this is the only way Marcus will ever wrestle slippery with anyone.
He better be thankful to take what he can get!
not too sure about that...his pal helen seemed v fit and very eager to please the big man.
No, definitely not. She does not want to have sexual relations with him at all.
If they ever tried it went all wrong and was very uncomfortable and she won't talk about it.
You won't get far either if with such a poor a sense for reading body language in women.
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
He was delighted to engage in it and why not - this is the only way Marcus will ever wrestle slippery with anyone.
He better be thankful to take what he can get!
not too sure about that...his pal helen seemed v fit and very eager to please the big man.
No, definitely not. She does not want to have sexual relations with him at all.
If they ever tried it went all wrong and was very uncomfortable and she won't talk about it.
You won't get far either if with such a poor a sense for reading body language in women.
she's feckn gagging on it...champn at the bit! Phooaaar!!!
She wanted to get in first, get ahead of the competition as it were. That's why she went on the telly with a 'message' ahem for the big man.
Bet she's went out and bought the kind of sexy undies the 'big' man likes....phoooaarrr!
she's gettn it alright!
ElProximo
24-08-2009, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by scot
Bet she's went out and bought the kind of sexy undies the 'big' man likes....phoooaarrr!
My guess - those undies he likes being the replica Princess Leia costume from Return of the Jedi.
The moment ruined as Marcus has a big nerd whinge and moan about how they are NOT exactly the same.. and then shows her Boba Fett toy dolls.
Not even aware she left 20 minutes ago.
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
Bet she's went out and bought the kind of sexy undies the 'big' man likes....phoooaarrr!
My guess - those undies he likes being the replica Princess Leia costume from Return of the Jedi.
The moment ruined as Marcus has a big nerd whinge and moan about how they are NOT exactly the same.. and then shows her Boba Fett toy dolls.
Not even aware she left 20 minutes ago.
princess Leia costume!!...phwooarrr!!!...you dirty...
The_Long_Run
24-08-2009, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
No, he normally just lies back and lets it happen!
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
No, he normally just lies back and lets it happen!
when its burds like Helen aye...let them do all the work n that eh!
farhad
24-08-2009, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
With oil it makes it harder to grip and lift, siavash lifted up all that body wait and then slammed him down.
farhad
24-08-2009, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by eggdavid
Originally posted by farhad
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
With oil it makes it harder to grip and lift, siavash lifted up all that body wait and then slammed him down.
because he's Iranian and wrestling is their national sport
he's more experienced in wrestling than all of the housemates put together
wasnt a fair fight
That shouldn't matter, it was fair but marcus kind of cheated though by pulling down his opponents underwear.
Originally posted by farhad
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
With oil it makes it harder to grip and lift, siavash lifted up all that body wait and then slammed him down.
It's the slamming bit the rash liked best!
Think he's had a lot of practice with oily naked men.
Think he knows a few moves!
farhad
24-08-2009, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by eggdavid
Originally posted by farhad
Originally posted by eggdavid
Originally posted by farhad
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
With oil it makes it harder to grip and lift, siavash lifted up all that body wait and then slammed him down.
because he's Iranian and wrestling is their national sport
he's more experienced in wrestling than all of the housemates put together
wasnt a fair fight
That shouldn't matter, it was fair but marcus kind of cheated though by pulling down his opponents underwear.
thats like saying a brown belt in karate fighting a white belt would be fair
siavash only won because he has more experience
strength and fitness didnt come into it -- it took charlie 17 minutes to throw 41-year-old chronic smoker Lisa out of the ring -- it was just luck
siavash remains a closet fag who looks like a homeless wizard :laugh3:
Strength does come in to it, didn't you see he suplexed marcus which is a lot harder considering body weight of marcus. and then head dropped him.
Originally posted by farhad
Originally posted by eggdavid
Originally posted by farhad
Originally posted by eggdavid
Originally posted by farhad
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
With oil it makes it harder to grip and lift, siavash lifted up all that body wait and then slammed him down.
because he's Iranian and wrestling is their national sport
he's more experienced in wrestling than all of the housemates put together
wasnt a fair fight
That shouldn't matter, it was fair but marcus kind of cheated though by pulling down his opponents underwear.
thats like saying a brown belt in karate fighting a white belt would be fair
siavash only won because he has more experience
strength and fitness didnt come into it -- it took charlie 17 minutes to throw 41-year-old chronic smoker Lisa out of the ring -- it was just luck
siavash remains a closet fag who looks like a homeless wizard :laugh3:
Strength does come in to it, didn't you see he suplexed marcus which is a lot harder considering body weight of marcus. and then head dropped him.
all that proves is the rash gets hot groping oiled up naked men. boke.
ElProximo
24-08-2009, 10:41 AM
Why did Marcus try and pull down Siavashs speedo?
Because he was being dominated and he cheated to try and get out of it.
Why did Marcus then call out Charlie as 'cheater' for a lesser offense and do so 'as if' he was in authority to call things like Cheating?
Because he is a hypocrite and because he won't take responsibility for his own cowardly or cheating behavior and rids it by putting it on other people.
Marcus - the cheapest and smallest sort of man.
Marcus is nowhere near as strong as he or is fans believe. He got beaten by Tom in an arm wrestle and the excuse was the size of Tom's arms, and now beaten by Siavash. Not quite the legend it seems.
30stone
24-08-2009, 10:55 AM
Marcus is weak.
And Marcus lies about the strength he thinks he has and the technique.
As for the doing one handed press ups...
It wasnt impressive its not like he went low doing them...
Originally posted by ElProximo
Why did Marcus try and pull down Siavashs speedo?
Because he was being dominated and he cheated to try and get out of it.
Why did Marcus then call out Charlie as 'cheater' for a lesser offense and do so 'as if' he was in authority to call things like Cheating?
Because he is a hypocrite and because he won't take responsibility for his own cowardly or cheating behavior and rids it by putting it on other people.
Marcus - the cheapest and smallest sort of man.
you're aversion to proper men such as Marcus borders on the hysterical.
You may be suffering from penis envy...
More likely though it's because you have an overpowering sexual attraction for such men which you are in deep denial over.
It's causing you a lot of conflict.
I think you indentify as being a 'lesbian'. Am i correct?
the problem is though that your lesbian indentification is not rooted in a healthy attraction for members of your own gender but rather a flight response from hating/loving men.
You are probably a rather melancholic person aren't you? You probably are prone to depresions etc. though you probably put this down to some kind of artistic temperment/angst.
you need to really be honest about your sexual oirentation(sp). you need to get in touch with the real inner you and not 'consruct' an identity for yourself that is very likely rooted in hatred.
Of course the Id and the Ego are in a constant shifting dynamic, but you are putting extra burden on that symbiotic relationship with your burden of man hatred.
You are unhappy as you presently are and it eminates from you in bitter hatred of men.
There has to be a reason for that and that reason needs to be explored and resolved and closure looked for.
30stone
24-08-2009, 11:08 AM
Mate, hes just saying somthing about marcus because marcus has lied and led people to believe he has some sort of martial arts technique and a lot of strength but has yet to prove it...
No need to become a psychiatrist..
Originally posted by 30stone
Mate, hes just saying somthing about marcus because marcus has lied and led people to believe he has some sort of martial arts technique and a lot of strength but has yet to prove it...
No need to become a psychiatrist..
I think you have missed the joke there, with respect. I know exactly why scot posted like that and it is quite amusing.
Originally posted by BB22
Originally posted by 30stone
Mate, hes just saying somthing about marcus because marcus has lied and led people to believe he has some sort of martial arts technique and a lot of strength but has yet to prove it...
No need to become a psychiatrist..
I think you have missed the joke there, with respect. I know exactly why scot posted like that and it is quite amusing.
:thumbs: glad i aint alone!
ElProximo
24-08-2009, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by ElProximo
Why did Marcus try and pull down Siavashs speedo?
Because he was being dominated and he cheated to try and get out of it.
Why did Marcus then call out Charlie as 'cheater' for a lesser offense and do so 'as if' he was in authority to call things like Cheating?
Because he is a hypocrite and because he won't take responsibility for his own cowardly or cheating behavior and rids it by putting it on other people.
Marcus - the cheapest and smallest sort of man.
you're aversion to proper men such as Marcus borders on the hysterical.
You may be suffering from penis envy...
More likely though it's because you have an overpowering sexual attraction for such men which you are in deep denial over.
It's causing you a lot of conflict.
I think you indentify as being a 'lesbian'. Am i correct?
the problem is though that your lesbian indentification is not rooted in a healthy attraction for members of your own gender but rather a flight response from hating/loving men.
You are probably a rather melancholic person aren't you? You probably are prone to depresions etc. though you probably put this down to some kind of artistic temperment/angst.
you need to really be honest about your sexual oirentation(sp). you need to get in touch with the real inner you and not 'consruct' an identity for yourself that is very likely rooted in hatred.
Of course the Id and the Ego are in a constant shifting dynamic, but you are putting extra burden on that symbiotic relationship with your burden of man hatred.
You are unhappy as you presently are and it eminates from you in bitter hatred of men.
There has to be a reason for that and that reason needs to be explored and resolved and closure looked for.
How odd (emboldened),
but,
Since a lot of the Marcus fanboys are now reduced to personal attacks and 'why you hate him' questions then I might just give an explanation later on.
The answer might surprised you.
(but i suppose a lot of things are surprising, confusing and 'don't make any sense) to you)
30stone
24-08-2009, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by BB22
Originally posted by 30stone
Mate, hes just saying somthing about marcus because marcus has lied and led people to believe he has some sort of martial arts technique and a lot of strength but has yet to prove it...
No need to become a psychiatrist..
I think you have missed the joke there, with respect. I know exactly why scot posted like that and it is quite amusing.
:thumbs: glad i aint alone!
Yes i know but i was trying to keep it on topic.
Along with the fact you shouldnt be insulting other, weather you mean it as a joke or not.
SiCkBuLLeT
24-08-2009, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by ElProximo
Why did Marcus try and pull down Siavashs speedo?
Because he was being dominated and he cheated to try and get out of it.
Why did Marcus then call out Charlie as 'cheater' for a lesser offense and do so 'as if' he was in authority to call things like Cheating?
Because he is a hypocrite and because he won't take responsibility for his own cowardly or cheating behavior and rids it by putting it on other people.
Marcus - the cheapest and smallest sort of man.
you're aversion to proper men such as Marcus borders on the hysterical.
You may be suffering from penis envy...
More likely though it's because you have an overpowering sexual attraction for such men which you are in deep denial over.
It's causing you a lot of conflict.
I think you indentify as being a 'lesbian'. Am i correct?
the problem is though that your lesbian indentification is not rooted in a healthy attraction for members of your own gender but rather a flight response from hating/loving men.
You are probably a rather melancholic person aren't you? You probably are prone to depresions etc. though you probably put this down to some kind of artistic temperment/angst.
you need to really be honest about your sexual oirentation(sp). you need to get in touch with the real inner you and not 'consruct' an identity for yourself that is very likely rooted in hatred.
Of course the Id and the Ego are in a constant shifting dynamic, but you are putting extra burden on that symbiotic relationship with your burden of man hatred.
You are unhappy as you presently are and it eminates from you in bitter hatred of men.
There has to be a reason for that and that reason needs to be explored and resolved and closure looked for.
How odd (emboldened),
but,
Since a lot of the Marcus fanboys are now reduced to personal attacks and 'why you hate him' questions then I might just give an explanation later on.
The answer might surprised you.
(but i suppose a lot of things are surprising, confusing and 'don't make any sense) to you)
It all comes down to stupid threads like this attacking or insulting Marcus that winds us Supporters up, and not seeing the homour in his rants..
Saying Marcus is weak is ridiculous he may not be super strong but he isn't weak being able to do press ups with 1 hand is not weak
Siavash beat Marcus due to technice and the oil didn't help to, and his Diary room rant was just pure Homour Marcus just Being Marcus.
Marcus did shake his hand right after he got beat and smiled, bad loser? i think not.
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by ElProximo
Why did Marcus try and pull down Siavashs speedo?
Because he was being dominated and he cheated to try and get out of it.
Why did Marcus then call out Charlie as 'cheater' for a lesser offense and do so 'as if' he was in authority to call things like Cheating?
Because he is a hypocrite and because he won't take responsibility for his own cowardly or cheating behavior and rids it by putting it on other people.
Marcus - the cheapest and smallest sort of man.
you're aversion to proper men such as Marcus borders on the hysterical.
You may be suffering from penis envy...
More likely though it's because you have an overpowering sexual attraction for such men which you are in deep denial over.
It's causing you a lot of conflict.
I think you indentify as being a 'lesbian'. Am i correct?
the problem is though that your lesbian indentification is not rooted in a healthy attraction for members of your own gender but rather a flight response from hating/loving men.
You are probably a rather melancholic person aren't you? You probably are prone to depresions etc. though you probably put this down to some kind of artistic temperment/angst.
you need to really be honest about your sexual oirentation(sp). you need to get in touch with the real inner you and not 'consruct' an identity for yourself that is very likely rooted in hatred.
Of course the Id and the Ego are in a constant shifting dynamic, but you are putting extra burden on that symbiotic relationship with your burden of man hatred.
You are unhappy as you presently are and it eminates from you in bitter hatred of men.
There has to be a reason for that and that reason needs to be explored and resolved and closure looked for.
How odd (emboldened),
but,
Since a lot of the Marcus fanboys are now reduced to personal attacks and 'why you hate him' questions then I might just give an explanation later on.
The answer might surprised you.
(but i suppose a lot of things are surprising, confusing and 'don't make any sense) to you)
The lesbian inquiry?
that was by no means a pesonal attack. That you thought it was is rather telling though.
It could be construed as your feeling uncomfortable re the validity of a sexual identity you have 'constructed' for yourself rather than a 'truer' identity you deny and supress rooted in an hysterical hatred of men as symbolised by Marcus.
A sexual identity rooted in hatred is a false construct which always leeds to anger, resentment, self loathing, bitterness and you do seem to ooze these characteristics.
30stone
24-08-2009, 11:24 AM
Please keep this on topic..
farhad
24-08-2009, 11:26 AM
it actually was a perfect plex! leg hooked and everything.
SiCkBuLLeT
24-08-2009, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by 30stone
Please keep this on topic..
It is hard to when so many threads anger us becasue there so wrong?
He cleary is not weak or a bad loser? :rolleyes:
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by BB22
Originally posted by 30stone
Mate, hes just saying somthing about marcus because marcus has lied and led people to believe he has some sort of martial arts technique and a lot of strength but has yet to prove it...
No need to become a psychiatrist..
I think you have missed the joke there, with respect. I know exactly why scot posted like that and it is quite amusing.
:thumbs: glad i aint alone!
Yes i know but i was trying to keep it on topic.
Along with the fact you shouldnt be insulting other, weather you mean it as a joke or not.
I would prefer to call it satire.
ElProximo
24-08-2009, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by scot
A sexual identity rooted in hatred is a false construct which always leeds to anger, resentment, self loathing, bitterness and you do seem to ooze these characteristics.
So you think condemning Marcus' misogyny, false bravado, lying, cheating and hypocrisy indicates I am secretly jealous of those abilities and wish I had them too?
It might be we have more over-arching disconnect if we carried on any analysis:
For me there are 'absolute rights and wrongs'. It is always 'morally wrong' to (for example) threaten someone with violent retribution for their thoughts.
You may have a world view that supposes there is no 'moral right and wrong' in any universal or 'absolute' sense but that it is all relative to whatever time and place and becomes 'right or wrong' depending on who and how many favour the decision.
It may be 'right' for Marcus to threaten Sree for Srees words,
but,
It might be 'wrong' if Sree did the reverse.
So for you its the same when I criticise lying as if I criticise a great vocabulary or a correct answer.
I am just as likely 'wanting' any of those?
Is that somewhat approaching the situation here?
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
A sexual identity rooted in hatred is a false construct which always leeds to anger, resentment, self loathing, bitterness and you do seem to ooze these characteristics.
So you think condemning Marcus' misogyny, false bravado, lying, cheating and hypocrisy indicates I am secretly jealous of those abilities and wish I had them too?
It might be we have more over-arching disconnect if we carried on any analysis:
For me there are 'absolute rights and wrongs'. It is always 'morally wrong' to (for example) threaten someone with violent retribution for their thoughts.
You may have a world view that supposes there is no 'moral right and wrong' in any universal or 'absolute' sense but that it is all relative to whatever time and place and becomes 'right or wrong' depending on who and how many favour the decision.
It may be 'right' for Marcus to threaten Sree for Srees words,
but,
It might be 'wrong' if Sree did the reverse.
So for you its the same when I criticise lying as if I criticise a great vocabulary or a correct answer.
I am just as likely 'wanting' any of those?
Is that somewhat approaching the situation here?
eh? what was all that about? there is no coherence in your irrational ramblings, you on the jellies?
you reek of misandry...
El proxo, just in case; misandry = misandry, misandria
an extreme dislike of males, frequently based upon unhappy experience or upbringing.
farhad
24-08-2009, 11:36 AM
Marcus made the comment in the diary room about Siavash pussyfooting around and forced him to fight, he didn't seem to take into account Siavash not wishing to hurt Sophie and why was so gentle. Siavash soon proved him wrong though.
Originally posted by ElProximo
[quote]Originally posted by scot
For me there are 'absolute rights and wrongs'.
THAT'S NOT VERY POSTMODERN OF YOU PROXO!
NOW THIS IS MORE LIKE IT DOLL!
You may have a world view that supposes there is no 'moral right and wrong' in any universal or 'absolute' sense but that it is all relative to whatever time and place and becomes 'right or wrong' depending on who and how many favour the decision.
ElProximo
24-08-2009, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by scot
El proxo, just in case; misandry = misandry, misandria
an extreme dislike of males, frequently based upon unhappy experience or upbringing.
You noticed I used the term 'misogyny' and then followed my lead by introducing the parallel 'misandry'.
Well I'm going to call that 'ironic' and here is why:
I would concede that Marcus is more of a 'Misandrist' than a 'Misogynist'.
This is because his father was an abusive sonofabitch that abandoned him.
He gets the 'Misogyny' later (blames mother) but the misandry is really the 'core' pathology with Marcus.
But for anyone who does want to bring any gender bias to Marcus then there is a bit of a twist:
Marcus is a 'male' but he is not a 'Man'. He is really a boy. About 17 years old still.
HalfwitFTW
24-08-2009, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by sevenofnine
Let's face it Marcus is weak. He was not a very gracious loser either!
I mean I have days like that. over-tired or something where I just can't lift a thing. That happens. Or just got a cold or something,
that will be the menapuase(sp) darling. Probably also explains your fuddled logic and aversion to proper men. bless.
Wow what a great comeback.
What did you make of Marcy and his weakened state and how Rodrigo was quite easily tossing him around?
Did all his sulking and lack of activity lead to some even weaker muscles on Marcy or what?
and again from a previous post -
I always thought siavash looked like the kinda creepy guy who loved getting naked smothered in baby oil and groping other men in a paddling pool. He seemed to have previous knowledge and experience and ect.
Marcus seemed a little disdainfull of the whole thing. Not surprising the enduring legend would not approve of a task that reeked of homo eroticism. Chaz loved it though.
Marcus always wins, even when he loses.
But if you recall, it was Marcus who said in the diary room 'Siavash just wanted to sit in the pool and do nothing, so I decided to initiate some action' :joker:
So NOW who enjoys touching oiled up men?
naranja
24-08-2009, 12:08 PM
haha your sincere :tongue: concern is too funny!
don't worry about Marcus, legaly he can't unleash the metal claws, and heroic strengh, that's all.
farhad
24-08-2009, 12:18 PM
Marcus got owned, some of his fans still live in wonderland believing what he says.
naranja
24-08-2009, 12:22 PM
Marcus got owned, some of his fans still live in wonderland believing what he says.
haha is that directed at me?! i was joking its sar-ca-sm. :spin2:
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
El proxo, just in case; misandry = misandry, misandria
an extreme dislike of males, frequently based upon unhappy experience or upbringing.
You noticed I used the term 'misogyny' and then followed my lead by introducing the parallel 'misandry'.
Well I'm going to call that 'ironic' and here is why:
I would concede that Marcus is more of a 'Misandrist' than a 'Misogynist'.
This is because his father was an abusive sonofabitch that abandoned him.
He gets the 'Misogyny' later (blames mother) but the misandry is really the 'core' pathology with Marcus.
But for anyone who does want to bring any gender bias to Marcus then there is a bit of a twist:
Marcus is a 'male' but he is not a 'Man'. He is really a boy. About 17 years old still.
Good, I'm glad you have conceded to my wisdom, however it is you who is the misandrist not Marcus.
It is of special interest that you continue this man hatred when referring to Marcus's father - 'his father was an abusive sonofabitch that abandoned him.' This is very interesting not least because you have no concrete knowledge that this is the case. You do, of course, have your own experiences on which to base such assumptions. Could this be you voicing your cry for help with regards your own parental experiences?
This is very telling and is probably a projection of your own feelings(rejection/abandonment) on to the object you so hate i.e. marcus(though actually desire).
We are getting to the root of the problem.
Actually it is becoming clear that you partially identify with marcus and are very possibly drawn to him sexually. However your hatred of the father figure(your father not marcus's)is displaced symbolically in Marcus. Marcus becomes the receptacle(sp) of your hatred for men(a hatred that maybe rooted in your relationship with your own father/mother).
The fact that you want to arrest Marcus's development at the level of a teenage boy again hints at your own sexuallity in relation to adult males. You hate/fear(secretly desire) the adult male(father)and so wish all adult men were teenage boys?
You really are a mess and Marcus has become the focus/punch bag for what you most fear re your own self and true identity in relation to men and your own father/mother.
You may have constructed a persona/identity that is not true to your own self and we are perhaps beginning to see why?
Men like Marcus threaten the stability of that constructed false identity and it is the fear of knowing your true self that evokes your rabid responses.
you have my sympathies.
Taijitu
24-08-2009, 01:28 PM
How on earth did you manage to get yourself to write an essay on Marcus' muscles?
Originally posted by Taijitu
How on earth did you manage to get yourself to write an essay on Marcus' muscles?
nah, it's really an essay on the pyschosis(sp) of el proxo...
wee bit of therapy going on here...think we are very close to some kind of breakthrough re self realisation and self acceptance on the part of el proxo.
ElProximo
24-08-2009, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by scot
Good, I'm glad you have conceded to my wisdom, however it is you who is the misandrist not Marcus.
But I didn't.
You never even suggested that Marcus was more of a Misandrist than he is a Misogynist.
I conceded to my wisdom.
It is of special interest that you continue this man hatred when referring to Marcus's father - 'his father was an abusive sonofabitch that abandoned him.' This is very interesting not least because you have no concrete knowledge that this is the case. You do, of course, have your own experiences on which to base such assumptions. Could this be you voicing your cry for help with regards your own parental experiences?
Nope. I am basing this on 'concrete knowledge' supplied by Marcus, his friends and family.
Yes, I do have a similar background and that similarity is why I can call foul on Marcus with some special insight you may or may not have.
It makes me more the expert on what Marcus has done wrong.
Actually it is becoming clear that you partially identify with marcus..
Yes. I have actually explained that in several posts in this forum. In part and to an extent I really do identify with Marcus (so far as it goes).
Again, that is why I am in a better position to criticise his wrong doing than others who do not relate to Marcus as easily.
One thing you might want to do is find something else but the same 'turn it around' angle over and over to your fake analysis thing.
Its like that is your only trick here.
It becomes a schoolyard '..No.. YOU are' and 'No.. that is what YOU did' to everything and anything said.
From a comedy trolling pov you need to do better.
Has anyone ever heard the phrase "turning into a pastiche of oneself"? This thread is very, very funny.
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
Good, I'm glad you have conceded to my wisdom, however it is you who is the misandrist not Marcus.
But I didn't.
You never even suggested that Marcus was more of a Misandrist than he is a Misogynist.
I conceded to my wisdom.
It is of special interest that you continue this man hatred when referring to Marcus's father - 'his father was an abusive sonofabitch that abandoned him.' This is very interesting not least because you have no concrete knowledge that this is the case. You do, of course, have your own experiences on which to base such assumptions. Could this be you voicing your cry for help with regards your own parental experiences?
Nope. I am basing this on 'concrete knowledge' supplied by Marcus, his friends and family.
Yes, I do have a similar background and that similarity is why I can call foul on Marcus with some special insight you may or may not have.
It makes me more the expert on what Marcus has done wrong.
Actually it is becoming clear that you partially identify with marcus..
Yes. I have actually explained that in several posts in this forum. In part and to an extent I really do identify with Marcus (so far as it goes).
Again, that is why I am in a better position to criticise his wrong doing than others who do not relate to Marcus as easily.
One thing you might want to do is find something else but the same 'turn it around' angle over and over to your fake analysis thing.
Its like that is your only trick here.
It becomes a schoolyard '..No.. YOU are' and 'No.. that is what YOU did' to everything and anything said.
From a comedy trolling pov you need to do better.
I stand by my analysis of you...I think it is very probably accurate. You have picked out a few lines from my previous post but you have steered well clear of the actual body of the analysis itself.
This is a common avoidance trait amongst people with 'issues' when those same issues are 'outed'.
You admit yourself that you identify with Marcus? If i got that right then why not the 'issues' you have?
You should read R. D. Laing's - The Divided Self. and also Sanity, Madness and the Family. It may help you.
Of course Laing's gig re the family(and perhaps by extension wider society)being the deciding factor re mental health is largely out of favour these days. But it might be a good starting point for you.
There is also the vibe that you might be some kind of feminist, but of the outdated 1st/2nd wave type. That is so pre 1990 and largely superceded by smarter go-getter type feminists. Have a look at some of the third wave feminist stuf out there both as related to serious academic thought and in popular culture.
Taijitu
24-08-2009, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by Taijitu
How on earth did you manage to get yourself to write an essay on Marcus' muscles?
nah, it's really an essay on the pyschosis(sp) of el proxo...
wee bit of therapy going on here...think we are very close to some kind of breakthrough re self realisation and self acceptance on the part of el proxo.
Ah I see. Was really to OP but see now everyone is helping out.:bigsmile:
If it were not so sunny outside I would aswell. Think any leeway will be made before BB11?
trucker`
24-08-2009, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by ElProximo
Marcus is not a big man but I think we all expected he would do fairly well in any strength competition for having that 'worksmans strength' and that sort of window fitters build,
yet,
He didn't show much in the truck pulling competition and I supposed Noirin was pulling harder than him despite almost killing himself to do it,
and,
Despite all but standing on top of Toms arm and giving himself an aneurysm - Marcy looked pretty sad in the arm wrestle.
Okay.
But I would have thought wrestling would be the perfect test of that 'workmans build' type of strength and suiting Marcys short fat build.
But wow.. ..he looks so weak. I mean really it was as if he has no strength at all?
Rodrigo barely seemed to be resisting and yet Marcy was just about dying to desperately move him around lol?
Obviously we know Siavash easily took the crown and is THE new Darkhorse,
but,
This is all leading to a sort of more serious question:
Are we just seeing how weak Marcus has always been,
or,
Is he even weaker than ever before?
I mean it was as if he barely had girl power in his muscles.
Could it be the diet?
It wasn't just that Marcus muscles are weak but he seemed to have zero athletic energy at all and tired out fast.
Maybe he is having some health problems?
Should a Doctor check him out?
I mean if he is this weak and lethargic then I'd be worried that The Darkhorse (Siavash) might even accidentally injure poor Marcy if they do any more of these events.
Or what if Rodrigo pushes Marcus and ends up sending Marcus home early from an injury?
You have a serious problem with marcus it seems....you are either:
1. jealous of the guy for some reason
2. wish you was marcus
3. have a bald head at a young age and jealous of his flowing locks.
3.sexually frustrated and wanna shag him
4. just a silly immature forum poster
5. a troll
wrestling is not a strength (although it plays a part)
sport ...its based on skill, technique, and some luck.
trust me ive done it.
anyone with these attributes can take out a bigger man
I suggest you get your facts right before you blab the way you do.
Originally posted by Taijitu
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by Taijitu
How on earth did you manage to get yourself to write an essay on Marcus' muscles?
nah, it's really an essay on the pyschosis(sp) of el proxo...
wee bit of therapy going on here...think we are very close to some kind of breakthrough re self realisation and self acceptance on the part of el proxo.
Ah I see. Was really to OP but see now everyone is helping out.:bigsmile:
If it were not so sunny outside I would aswell. Think any leeway will be made before BB11?
It's a big job, but yeah, reckon it's possible before BB11
J-Rock
24-08-2009, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by ElProximo
Why did Marcus try and pull down Siavashs speedo?
Because he was being dominated and he cheated to try and get out of it.
Why did Marcus then call out Charlie as 'cheater' for a lesser offense and do so 'as if' he was in authority to call things like Cheating?
Because he is a hypocrite and because he won't take responsibility for his own cowardly or cheating behavior and rids it by putting it on other people.
Marcus - the cheapest and smallest sort of man.
you're aversion to proper men such as Marcus borders on the hysterical.
You may be suffering from penis envy...
More likely though it's because you have an overpowering sexual attraction for such men which you are in deep denial over.
It's causing you a lot of conflict.
I think you indentify as being a 'lesbian'. Am i correct?
the problem is though that your lesbian indentification is not rooted in a healthy attraction for members of your own gender but rather a flight response from hating/loving men.
You are probably a rather melancholic person aren't you? You probably are prone to depresions etc. though you probably put this down to some kind of artistic temperment/angst.
you need to really be honest about your sexual oirentation(sp). you need to get in touch with the real inner you and not 'consruct' an identity for yourself that is very likely rooted in hatred.
Of course the Id and the Ego are in a constant shifting dynamic, but you are putting extra burden on that symbiotic relationship with your burden of man hatred.
You are unhappy as you presently are and it eminates from you in bitter hatred of men.
There has to be a reason for that and that reason needs to be explored and resolved and closure looked for.
Wow, now that's an interesting post....
J-Rock
24-08-2009, 02:54 PM
Marcus is probably fairly strong and tough, but wrestling using baby oil is really difficult and requires alot of technique.
Marcus looked quite strong with Vash at times and used a few good grappling techniques (like going downwards to avoid being moved forward), but to me it looked like he ran out of steam to be honest. He looked out of breath afterwards. I think it was more a fitness problem. Needs to work on his cardio.
But, Vash won fair and square as he doesn't seem to work out much himself (?), and he may have more natural grappling skills and strength.
trucker`
24-08-2009, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by J-Rock
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by ElProximo
Why did Marcus try and pull down Siavashs speedo?
Because he was being dominated and he cheated to try and get out of it.
Why did Marcus then call out Charlie as 'cheater' for a lesser offense and do so 'as if' he was in authority to call things like Cheating?
Because he is a hypocrite and because he won't take responsibility for his own cowardly or cheating behavior and rids it by putting it on other people.
Marcus - the cheapest and smallest sort of man.
you're aversion to proper men such as Marcus borders on the hysterical.
You may be suffering from penis envy...
More likely though it's because you have an overpowering sexual attraction for such men which you are in deep denial over.
It's causing you a lot of conflict.
I think you indentify as being a 'lesbian'. Am i correct?
the problem is though that your lesbian indentification is not rooted in a healthy attraction for members of your own gender but rather a flight response from hating/loving men.
You are probably a rather melancholic person aren't you? You probably are prone to depresions etc. though you probably put this down to some kind of artistic temperment/angst.
you need to really be honest about your sexual oirentation(sp). you need to get in touch with the real inner you and not 'consruct' an identity for yourself that is very likely rooted in hatred.
Of course the Id and the Ego are in a constant shifting dynamic, but you are putting extra burden on that symbiotic relationship with your burden of man hatred.
You are unhappy as you presently are and it eminates from you in bitter hatred of men.
There has to be a reason for that and that reason needs to be explored and resolved and closure looked for.
Wow, now that's an interesting post....
to summarise...the OP has a psychological problem and needs treatment!
:bigsmile:
Originally posted by trucker`
Originally posted by J-Rock
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by ElProximo
Why did Marcus try and pull down Siavashs speedo?
Because he was being dominated and he cheated to try and get out of it.
Why did Marcus then call out Charlie as 'cheater' for a lesser offense and do so 'as if' he was in authority to call things like Cheating?
Because he is a hypocrite and because he won't take responsibility for his own cowardly or cheating behavior and rids it by putting it on other people.
Marcus - the cheapest and smallest sort of man.
you're aversion to proper men such as Marcus borders on the hysterical.
You may be suffering from penis envy...
More likely though it's because you have an overpowering sexual attraction for such men which you are in deep denial over.
It's causing you a lot of conflict.
I think you indentify as being a 'lesbian'. Am i correct?
the problem is though that your lesbian indentification is not rooted in a healthy attraction for members of your own gender but rather a flight response from hating/loving men.
You are probably a rather melancholic person aren't you? You probably are prone to depresions etc. though you probably put this down to some kind of artistic temperment/angst.
you need to really be honest about your sexual oirentation(sp). you need to get in touch with the real inner you and not 'consruct' an identity for yourself that is very likely rooted in hatred.
Of course the Id and the Ego are in a constant shifting dynamic, but you are putting extra burden on that symbiotic relationship with your burden of man hatred.
You are unhappy as you presently are and it eminates from you in bitter hatred of men.
There has to be a reason for that and that reason needs to be explored and resolved and closure looked for.
Wow, now that's an interesting post....
to summarise...the OP has a psychological problem and needs treatment!
:bigsmile:
yeah, there is the distinct possibility the OP has constructed an identity founded largely on her hatred of men as symbolised by Marcus. However there is reason to believe the OP in actuality DESIRES men(as symbolised by Marcus)thus throwing their inner world into a state of conflict resulting in near hysterical and irrational misandry.
Originally posted by J-Rock
Marcus is probably fairly strong and tough, but wrestling using baby oil is really difficult and requires alot of technique.
Marcus looked quite strong with Vash at times and used a few good grappling techniques (like going downwards to avoid being moved forward), but to me it looked like he ran out of steam to be honest. He looked out of breath afterwards. I think it was more a fitness problem. Needs to work on his cardio.
But, Vash won fair and square as he doesn't seem to work out much himself (?), and he may have more natural grappling skills and strength.
yeah, think it may well come down to cardio. Marcus is 35 and siavash 23(i think). those extra 12 years do make a big difference re cardio.
madbaddog05
24-08-2009, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by farhad
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
With oil it makes it harder to grip and lift, siavash lifted up all that body wait and then slammed him down.
It's the slamming bit the rash liked best!
Think he's had a lot of practice with oily naked men.
Think he knows a few moves!
It takes some power to do it to someone like Marcus, I think he must of had some experience in his home country.
Top 50 Wrestling Suplexes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpiqr3buI5k
Originally posted by madbaddog05
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by farhad
Originally posted by scot
wrestling other men nearly butt naked and covered in baby oil is obviously not the legends forte. Not the kind of pastime the Legend approves of or is happy to engage in.
With oil it makes it harder to grip and lift, siavash lifted up all that body wait and then slammed him down.
It's the slamming bit the rash liked best!
Think he's had a lot of practice with oily naked men.
Think he knows a few moves!
It takes some power to do it to someone like Marcus, I think he must of had some experience in his home country.
Top 50 Wrestling Suplexes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpiqr3buI5k
Mickey Rourke did it so much better!
Shasown
24-08-2009, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by scot
yeah, there is the distinct possibility the OP has constructed an identity founded largely on her hatred of men as symbolised by Marcus. However there is reason to believe the OP in actuality DESIRES men(as symbolised by Marcus)thus throwing their inner world into a state of conflict resulting in near hysterical and irrational misandry.
Got to love your assessment of the OP. Would love to know if she is one of Marcus' ex's.
Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by scot
yeah, there is the distinct possibility the OP has constructed an identity founded largely on her hatred of men as symbolised by Marcus. However there is reason to believe the OP in actuality DESIRES men(as symbolised by Marcus)thus throwing their inner world into a state of conflict resulting in near hysterical and irrational misandry.
Got to love your assessment of the OP. Would love to know if she is one of Marcus' ex's.
wouldn't rate her that highly - more like a wannabe ex of Marcus! Bless.
dixiebell1991
24-08-2009, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by SiCkBuLLeT
Originally posted by sevenofnine
Let's face it Marcus is weak. He was not a very gracious loser either!
20 press ups on one hand you say he is weak lol? i wish i could do it very good for a big man
Don't insult other members.
:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::c heer2::cheer2:
hmmmm, he has one very strong hand..... we all know why that is!!!!
to clarify: its his w**king hand.
:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
Originally posted by dixiebell1991
Originally posted by SiCkBuLLeT
Originally posted by sevenofnine
Let's face it Marcus is weak. He was not a very gracious loser either!
20 press ups on one hand you say he is weak lol? i wish i could do it very good for a big man
Don't insult other members.
:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::c heer2::cheer2:
hmmmm, he has one very strong hand..... we all know why that is!!!!
to clarify: its his w**king hand.
:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
nah, Marcus is so BIG he needs BOTH hands for that particular activity!
dixiebell1991
24-08-2009, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by dixiebell1991
Originally posted by SiCkBuLLeT
Originally posted by sevenofnine
Let's face it Marcus is weak. He was not a very gracious loser either!
20 press ups on one hand you say he is weak lol? i wish i could do it very good for a big man
Don't insult other members.
:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::c heer2::cheer2:
hmmmm, he has one very strong hand..... we all know why that is!!!!
to clarify: its his w**king hand.
:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
nah, Marcus is so BIG he needs BOTH hands for that particular activity!
marcus love kit: a magnifying glass + pair of tweezers. plus a soiled duvet.
Originally posted by dixiebell1991
Originally posted by scot
Originally posted by dixiebell1991
Originally posted by SiCkBuLLeT
Originally posted by sevenofnine
Let's face it Marcus is weak. He was not a very gracious loser either!
20 press ups on one hand you say he is weak lol? i wish i could do it very good for a big man
Don't insult other members.
:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::c heer2::cheer2:
hmmmm, he has one very strong hand..... we all know why that is!!!!
to clarify: its his w**king hand.
:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
nah, Marcus is so BIG he needs BOTH hands for that particular activity!
marcus love kit: a magnifying glass + pair of tweezers. plus a soiled duvet.
he'd only need that apparatus if he were gay and giving hand relief to siavash or kris or charlie or roddy.
McNab
24-08-2009, 04:27 PM
i can't believe people are judging someone on their strength over an arm wrestle and a oiled up wrestle. Builders, window fitters, scaffolders all are the workmen build but will be stronger in different areas of their bodies depending on what they daily job entiles.
Having done scaffolding myself i know it requires upper back strength and alot of strength in your wrist forearms and upper arms (depending on how you prefer to carry the poles)
The lads i worked with and other lads i know from the job pretty much carry everything on their shoulders.
Arm wrestling needs strength but it also requires alot of technique as well. He went up against someone who hits the gym an awful lot. He works all areas of his body so will be stronger. Given none of them arm wrestle alot you can safely say they both have no technique.
In the pool they both were oiled up the bottom of the pool was very slippery so marcus could have pushed all his strength against roddy and all they strength would of disappeared into the slide against the bottom of the pool as he had no base in which to support his push.
Siavash looked like he had either wrestled before or was naturally good as he kept his natural center of gravity low and always kept his grip around their waist which again is a good center of gravity to keep when your that low down.
Rant over
J-Rock
24-08-2009, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by McNab
i can't believe people are judging someone on their strength over an arm wrestle and a oiled up wrestle. Builders, window fitters, scaffolders all are the workmen build but will be stronger in different areas of their bodies depending on what they daily job entiles.
Having done scaffolding myself i know it requires upper back strength and alot of strength in your wrist forearms and upper arms (depending on how you prefer to carry the poles)
The lads i worked with and other lads i know from the job pretty much carry everything on their shoulders.
Arm wrestling needs strength but it also requires alot of technique as well. He went up against someone who hits the gym an awful lot. He works all areas of his body so will be stronger. Given none of them arm wrestle alot you can safely say they both have no technique.
In the pool they both were oiled up the bottom of the pool was very slippery so marcus could have pushed all his strength against roddy and all they strength would of disappeared into the slide against the bottom of the pool as he had no base in which to support his push.
Siavash looked like he had either wrestled before or was naturally good as he kept his natural center of gravity low and always kept his grip around their waist which again is a good center of gravity to keep when your that low down.
Rant over
Good, well balanced, accurate, rant.
Originally posted by McNab
i can't believe people are judging someone on their strength over an arm wrestle and a oiled up wrestle. Builders, window fitters, scaffolders all are the workmen build but will be stronger in different areas of their bodies depending on what they daily job entiles.
Having done scaffolding myself i know it requires upper back strength and alot of strength in your wrist forearms and upper arms (depending on how you prefer to carry the poles)
The lads i worked with and other lads i know from the job pretty much carry everything on their shoulders.
Arm wrestling needs strength but it also requires alot of technique as well. He went up against someone who hits the gym an awful lot. He works all areas of his body so will be stronger. Given none of them arm wrestle alot you can safely say they both have no technique.
In the pool they both were oiled up the bottom of the pool was very slippery so marcus could have pushed all his strength against roddy and all they strength would of disappeared into the slide against the bottom of the pool as he had no base in which to support his push.
Siavash looked like he had either wrestled before or was naturally good as he kept his natural center of gravity low and always kept his grip around their waist which again is a good center of gravity to keep when your that low down.
Rant over
agreed...have made similar points re builders before but the OP dont get it...
Shasown
24-08-2009, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by scot
agreed...have made similar points re builders before but the OP dont get it...
Dont think the Op will ever agree to see marcus in anything but the contempt she feels he deserves. You have to love prejudice:wink:
Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by scot
agreed...have made similar points re builders before but the OP dont get it...
Dont think the Op will ever agree to see marcus in anything but the contempt she feels he deserves. You have to love prejudice:wink:
her relentless hatred of Marcus is v strange, almost pathalogical(sp). It's even a bit creepy etc. shudder.
Yes, it is the relentlessness that is most disturbing.
Blasphemer
24-08-2009, 05:25 PM
The marcus hatred is strong in this thread.
30stone
24-08-2009, 05:27 PM
Like ive said before i put some marcus fans and some haters in the same group lol.
Vicky.
24-08-2009, 08:49 PM
This post is hilarious...as is the fact that people seem to reckon marcus is a weakling because he lost a wrestling match covered in baby oil..
Wrestling is more about technique than strength...I thought that was pretty obvious...obviously not to some people.
Having said that, Im not trying to make out that marcus is stronger than siavash, we wouldnt know that, but marcus is certainly not the 8year old girl type that you lot are trying to make out...just because he lost this task.
The lengths some people will go to to try and discredit marcus is just laughable really.
But well done to Siavash anyway :spin:
farhad
24-08-2009, 09:03 PM
The thing is, siavash knew the skills to defeat marcus, or else why wasn't siavash out of the ring, he used his strength to suplex him and just locked him so marcus cant get out.
ElProximo
26-08-2009, 07:39 AM
Originally posted by scot
I stand by my analysis of you...I think it is very probably accurate. You have picked out a few lines from my previous post but you have steered well clear of the actual body of the analysis itself.
This is a common avoidance trait amongst people with 'issues' when those same issues are 'outed'.
You admit yourself that you identify with Marcus? If i got that right then why not the 'issues' you have?
You should read R. D. Laing's - The Divided Self. and also Sanity, Madness and the Family. It may help you.
Of course Laing's gig re the family(and perhaps by extension wider society)being the deciding factor re mental health is largely out of favour these days. But it might be a good starting point for you.
There is also the vibe that you might be some kind of feminist, but of the outdated 1st/2nd wave type. That is so pre 1990 and largely superceded by smarter go-getter type feminists. Have a look at some of the third wave feminist stuf out there both as related to serious academic thought and in popular culture.
Oh there is a much simpler reason for my disapproval of Marcus:
I strongly disapprove of sneaky behavior, lying, gossiping, cowardice and bad humour.
Easy.
charmingmissc
26-08-2009, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
I stand by my analysis of you...I think it is very probably accurate. You have picked out a few lines from my previous post but you have steered well clear of the actual body of the analysis itself.
This is a common avoidance trait amongst people with 'issues' when those same issues are 'outed'.
You admit yourself that you identify with Marcus? If i got that right then why not the 'issues' you have?
You should read R. D. Laing's - The Divided Self. and also Sanity, Madness and the Family. It may help you.
Of course Laing's gig re the family(and perhaps by extension wider society)being the deciding factor re mental health is largely out of favour these days. But it might be a good starting point for you.
There is also the vibe that you might be some kind of feminist, but of the outdated 1st/2nd wave type. That is so pre 1990 and largely superceded by smarter go-getter type feminists. Have a look at some of the third wave feminist stuf out there both as related to serious academic thought and in popular culture.
Oh there is a much simpler reason for my disapproval of Marcus:
I strongly disapprove of sneaky behavior, lying, gossiping, cowardice and bad humour.
Easy.
yet you support lisa
ElProximo
26-08-2009, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by charmingmissc
Originally posted by ElProximo
Originally posted by scot
I stand by my analysis of you...I think it is very probably accurate. You have picked out a few lines from my previous post but you have steered well clear of the actual body of the analysis itself.
This is a common avoidance trait amongst people with 'issues' when those same issues are 'outed'.
You admit yourself that you identify with Marcus? If i got that right then why not the 'issues' you have?
You should read R. D. Laing's - The Divided Self. and also Sanity, Madness and the Family. It may help you.
Of course Laing's gig re the family(and perhaps by extension wider society)being the deciding factor re mental health is largely out of favour these days. But it might be a good starting point for you.
There is also the vibe that you might be some kind of feminist, but of the outdated 1st/2nd wave type. That is so pre 1990 and largely superceded by smarter go-getter type feminists. Have a look at some of the third wave feminist stuf out there both as related to serious academic thought and in popular culture.
Oh there is a much simpler reason for my disapproval of Marcus:
I strongly disapprove of sneaky behavior, lying, gossiping, cowardice and bad humour.
Easy.
yet you support lisa
That is correct.
Even if Lisa was close to the liar, hypocrite, passive-aggressive little Don't try to get past the swear filter that Marcus is,
even if,
It is better to call one wrongdoer (Marcus) and we can work on the others later.
But Marcus is up now and is by far the worst offender with few redeeming qualities.
Lisa is straight-forward, honest, gruff sometimes but redeems herself with everyone.
She is good people.
Marcus is a sneaky little a-hole full of contempt. That is all the reason needed to dislike him.
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