Marcus arguing with Siavash, saying he's trying to fix things ...

[AhmedFan2004]

On Live Feed now. So Marcus sides with Charlie's point in criticizing Siavash's actions and motives. Siavash is now defending himself.

So where is the bias going to go now, forumites? :rolleyes:

[Vicky.]

I think the lot of them are being way too harsh. They dont know his reasons behind not nominating, only wat they THINK are his reasons.

Sophie and Siavash are coming out of this well in my eyes. Lisa and David also, as they dont seem to of got involved.

I dislike groups ganging up on one person, whoever the group is.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
I think the lot of them are being way too harsh. They dont know his reasons behind not nominating, only wat they THINK are his reasons.

Sophie and Siavash are coming out of this well in my eyes. Lisa and David also, as they dont seem to of got involved.

I dislike groups ganging up on one person, whoever the group is.
But that's because you and some other forumers are utterly biased and criticize Charlie breathing. It's Siavash who is moaning and making a big fuss about noms. He's the one who is up.

Why would Charlie care? He's in the final. Siavash is up. With David, or not.

Nobody cares about fiddling noms other than Vash. This isn't Charlie's doing. :rolleyes:

[keithafc]

Final week coming soon, we will see all the big game players coming out now.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ
I think the lot of them are being way too harsh. They dont know his reasons behind not nominating, only wat they THINK are his reasons.

Sophie and Siavash are coming out of this well in my eyes. Lisa and David also, as they dont seem to of got involved.

I dislike groups ganging up on one person, whoever the group is.
But that's because you and some other forumers are utterly biased and criticize Charlie breathing. It's Siavash who is moaning and making a big fuss about noms. He's the one who is up.

Why would Charlie care? He's in the final. Siavash is up. With David, or not.

Nobody cares about fiddling noms other than Vash. This isn't Charlie's doing. :rolleyes:

I did not criticise charlie there, it was marcus you were on about, and marcus is my fave, along with rodrigo...who are also involved in the group that I said was in the wrong, so how on earth is that bias? :conf:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I did not criticise charlie there, it was marcus you were on about, and marcus is my fave, along with rodrigo...who are also involved in the group that I said was in the wrong, so how on earth is that bias? :conf:
Your silly thread about 'Charlie ranting', when the entire world knows full well that all this nomination BS is Vash's doing, and he's upset about being up for eviction. With David, or not.

Charlie is in the final, so stop pretending he was bothered, because he wasn't. It's Siavash who is up and upset that his plans failed. AT LAST!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by VickyJ

I did not criticise charlie there, it was marcus you were on about, and marcus is my fave, along with rodrigo...who are also involved in the group that I said was in the wrong, so how on earth is that bias? :conf:
Your silly thread about 'Charlie ranting', when the entire world knows full well that all this nomination BS is Vash's doing, and he's upset about being up for eviction. With David, or not.

Charlie is in the final, so stop pretending he was bothered, because he wasn't. It's Siavash who is up and upset that his plans failed. AT LAST!

But charlie WAS ranting.

And then decided he didnt want to talk about it anymore once siavash started to talk. As per usual.

I know charlie is in the final...which is why it makes no sense that he was going on and on and on about siavash not nominating...

[santaa]

Siavash has just said he is safe if David is up

[AhmedFan2004]

I'm not convinced David is up, and even if he is IMO David will be safe.

Who will evict David? Not many. Fans of other HMs will gun for Vash and Marcus.

[farhad]

He didn't say that.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by farhad
He didn't say that.
Yes he did. He talked about his 'if you're at the top of the mountain' analogy, which he also warned Freddie about. How Siavash just tries to ensure that he covers himself in every situation.

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by farhad
He didn't say that.

yes he did!! in the bathroom

[farhad]

His fear was a one on one with Marcus and his inevitable departure as a consequence.
His actions are calculated to make sure he is up with people he believes he can beat.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by farhad
His fear was a one on one with Marcus and his inevitable departure as a consequence.
His actions are calculated to make sure he is up with people he believes he can beat.
Yep, absolutely spot on, and that's what all the HMs are on about.

[jadore212]

he did not say he will be staying over david keep it real stop making up lies

[farhad]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by farhad
He didn't say that.

yes he did!! in the bathroom

No he didn't say that, he said nothing of the sort.

[farhad]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by farhad
His fear was a one on one with Marcus and his inevitable departure as a consequence.
His actions are calculated to make sure he is up with people he believes he can beat.
Yep, absolutely spot on, and that's what all the HMs are on about.

Thats what makes him good to watch, i like that side to him, thats how the game should be played.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by farhad
Thats what makes him good to watch, i like that side to him, thats how the game should be played.
He's a coward about it though, and the HMs know he's a liar and fraud anyway. Not a good game.

[farhad]

Everyone in there are coward, none of them want to face eviction, but atleast siavash plays it cleverly, the team dumb know they are safe, so they will block vote.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by farhad
He didn't say that.
Yes he did. He talked about his 'if you're at the top of the mountain' analogy, which he also warned Freddie about. How Siavash just tries to ensure that he covers himself in every situation.

Are you watching the same program as the rest of us or only hearing what you wnat to hear, it was Marcus who used that analogy to explain to Siavash why charlie and co were upset with siavash.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown
Are you watching the same program as the rest of us or only hearing what you wnat to hear, it was Marcus who used that analogy to explain to Siavash why charlie and co were upset with siavash.
Yes, and Marcus is upset with Siavash too, as he told Freddie, as he mentioned in the DR. Always trying to cover his tracks and be at the top of the mountain, whilst the others are at the bottom.

He's not on Siavash's side, and was arguing with him about always wanting to fix noms etc in a stern voice.

Charlie is Marcus' best friend, remember that. There is no musketeer BS. That's a stupid forum idea. Marcus and Vash =/= friends.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Shasown
Are you watching the same program as the rest of us or only hearing what you wnat to hear, it was Marcus who used that analogy to explain to Siavash why charlie and co were upset with siavash.
Yes, and Marcus is upset with Siavash too, as he told Freddie, as he mentioned in the DR. Always trying to cover his tracks and be at the top of the mountain, whilst the others are at the bottom.

He's not on Siavash's side, and was arguing with him about always wanting to fix noms etc in a stern voice.

Charlie is Marcus' best friend, remember that. There is no musketeer BS. That's a stupid forum idea. Marcus and Vash =/= friends.

yeah but am I missing the point here or what, a few minutes ago you said Siavash said it. Make your mind up please. read the threads and follow them logically.

If you find it difficult to follow the thread I can advise you to only stick to one at a time. Otherwise you just get ripped apart on a few at a time.

[NolasGirl]

Originally posted by Shasown
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by farhad
He didn't say that.
Yes he did. He talked about his 'if you're at the top of the mountain' analogy, which he also warned Freddie about. How Siavash just tries to ensure that he covers himself in every situation.

Are you watching the same program as the rest of us or only hearing what you wnat to hear, it was Marcus who used that analogy to explain to Siavash why charlie and co were upset with siavash.


Yeah exaclty ...Why do people have to fabricate things to suit their argument. It's annoying :rolleyes:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown
yeah but am I missing the point here or what, a few minutes ago you said Siavash said it. Make your mind up please. read the threads and follow them logically.
I said that Marcus was having a go at Siavash about always putting himself at the top of the mountain whilst others fall to the bottom, fixing noms to get a desired result etc in a sparring tone of voice.

He was siding with Charlie and co. for their annoyance, suspicions and criticism of Siavash and all his nominations BS.

I've not fabricated anything, it was on LF for all to see.

Even see thread - 'Marcus has gone to Charlie now to bitch about Siavash'.

So he sided with Charlie and had a 'go' at Siavash in the bathroom.

[farhad]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Shasown
Are you watching the same program as the rest of us or only hearing what you wnat to hear, it was Marcus who used that analogy to explain to Siavash why charlie and co were upset with siavash.
Yes, and Marcus is upset with Siavash too, as he told Freddie, as he mentioned in the DR. Always trying to cover his tracks and be at the top of the mountain, whilst the others are at the bottom.

He's not on Siavash's side, and was arguing with him about always wanting to fix noms etc in a stern voice.

Charlie is Marcus' best friend, remember that. There is no musketeer BS. That's a stupid forum idea. Marcus and Vash =/= friends.

Marcus is upset with siavash because siavash beat him to noirin, tasks and the wrestling.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by farhad

Marcus is upset with siavash because siavash beat him to noirin, tasks and the wrestling.
Well yes in effect, so he was criticizing him in the bathroom. This forum loves to pretend that they are buddies, for some BIZARRE reason. No such thing.

(I side with Marcus on everything he said btw)

[NolasGirl]

You were implying that Siavash had articulated the position of being "on top of the mountain" himself...when in actual fact he has no clue what his position is, and I honestly don't believe he is that cunning to orchestrate things in that way. And I'm not a Siavash fan honestly- I regard him as quite weak, and his weakness is unattractive. I'm a Marcus fan. Marcus' brilliance in articulating points of view is what led to the mountain analogy.
Siavash's weaknesses are another reason I think the attacks on him have no basis, as his weaknesses are exactly the point- he couldn't really have the willpower to plan the outcome charlie and co are accusing him of

[Shasown]

Ahemedfan scroll back up through this thread and you will see you said
"Yes he did. He talked about his 'if you're at the top of the mountain' analogy, which he also warned Freddie about. How Siavash just tries to ensure that he covers himself in every situation. "

in response to someone saying that Siavash hadnt said what you had stated he had said.

Stop worming. Just accept the fact its not often you are right but you are wrong again.

[AhmedFan2004]

That was Marcus' quote. You both have misread. The reference to telling Freddie made it stone cold obvious. He told Freddie the same thing. And he told this to Siavash in the bathroom.

You both are mixed up. But luckily we all agree about Marcus saying these things. :spin2:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown

Stop worming. Just accept the fact its not often you are right but you are wrong again.
Or that I said that Marcus said these analogies, and we agreed all along. :whistle:

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
That was Marcus' quote. You both have misread. The reference to telling Freddie made it stone cold obvious. He told Freddie the same thing. And he told this to Siavash in the bathroom.

You both are mixed up. But luckily we all agree about Marcus saying these things. :spin2:

Err no we didnt misread, you miswrote, trying explaining things in a clear and concise way next time.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Shasown
Err no we didnt misread, you miswrote, trying explaining things in a clear and concise way next time.
I believe that the confusion is over Farhad's post of 'He didn't say that'. I thought he meant that Marcus didn't say those things. I then went onto post about what Marcus said; fixing, analogies, etc.

I haven't spoken about anything that Vash has said in this thread.

[NolasGirl]

Ok well regardless, I think this..

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by farhad
His fear was a one on one with Marcus and his inevitable departure as a consequence.
His actions are calculated to make sure he is up with people he believes he can beat.
Yep, absolutely spot on, and that's what all the HMs are on about.

is way over the top. I would not assign such cunning manoevres to someone who actually comes across as more of a people pleaser than anything else...his continual failure to nominate is the result of sheer weakness on his behalf..not some sly plan. In the very best he is being principled..but I don't honestly believe that's it. He said from the very begninning though (and this is something ppl have conveniently forgotten), that he thinks the nominations procedure is unfair and that the whole slate of HM's should be up for nomination every week systematically.
If he veered away from that principle, public would prob still be complaining about him.
As much as I love Marcus I think he still has not forgiven Siavash and is completely exaggerating the idea that Sia has any sort of agenda.

[farhad]

Originally posted by NolasGirl
You were implying that Siavash had articulated the position of being "on top of the mountain" himself...when in actual fact he has no clue what his position is, and I honestly don't believe he is that cunning to orchestrate things in that way. And I'm not a Siavash fan honestly- I regard him as quite weak, and his weakness is unattractive. I'm a Marcus fan. Marcus' brilliance in articulating points of view is what led to the mountain analogy.
Siavash's weaknesses are another reason I think the attacks on him have no basis, as his weaknesses are exactly the point- he couldn't really have the willpower to plan the outcome charlie and co are accusing him of

Marcus is the weakest i think, he wants to be like siavash, siavash has charms, thats why he wins girls, and in wrestling Marcus thought he had it in the bag when Vash came up his hidden wrestling grappling ability.

[Shasown]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by Shasown
Err no we didnt misread, you miswrote, trying explaining things in a clear and concise way next time.
I believe that the confusion is over Farhad's post of 'He didn't say that'. I thought he meant that Marcus didn't say those things. I then went onto post about what Marcus said; fixing, analogies, etc.



I accept your apology on behalf of myself and Nolasgirl, we do accept your failings as you are only human. please do your best not to make similar mistakes again in future.

[boomoo]

Siewash would be in a better position now if he had not started his noms protest.

The game is about winning popularity with housemates so that you are not nominated.
That is why Lisa is still in there. She has strong views and has still remained popular with at least 5 housemates all the way.
I would have been happy for Siewash to win but he has played a silly game. He should have been put up for nom every time he refused to vote.