Do You have faith in God?

[IsleOfWeather]

Not the God in cartoons sitting on a cloud, but the God of your heart, of the universe, the God who is love and love is God.

[Mark]

I prefer to think of myself as a man of science :angel:

[bronaaaa]

Yes, but I seriously doubt sometimes, with all the bad in the world etc. but my parents brought me up as christain so I don't think I could ever not believe

[CaraRawr]

I'm a Christian and proud, so yah. <3

[Taijitu]

I don't believe in any sentient force guiding existence and have faith that I am right.

Going to be royally screwed though if I am wrong.:devil:

[KillER]

no :)
i dont believe in heaven, god, the jesus story.... but i respect other peoples beliefs and in return i expect them to respect my beliefs too... which means not trying to tell me im wrong for not believing and trying to preach to me - which many do!

[CiaraD]

Yeah mostly, just like the odd time when something bad happenes I lose faith a bit.

[ILoveTRW]

Originally posted by Mark
I prefer to think of myself as a man of science :angel:

[IsleOfWeather]

Originally posted by Mark
I prefer to think of myself as a man of science :angel:


like a chemistry teacher?

[IsleOfWeather]

Originally posted by CiaraD
Yeah mostly, just like the odd time when something bad happenes I lose faith a bit.

all Christians doubt their faith daily and have done throughout history.

it is healthy. it is when you are sure that you need worry. new village atheists take note....

[Ramsay]

Originally posted by KillER
no :)
i dont believe in heaven, god, the jesus story.... but i respect other peoples beliefs and in return i expect them to respect my beliefs too... which means not trying to tell me im wrong for not believing and trying to preach to me - which many do!

this

[IsleOfWeather]

Originally posted by kerplunk124
Originally posted by KillER
no :)
i dont believe in heaven, god, the jesus story.... but i respect other peoples beliefs and in return i expect them to respect my beliefs too... which means not trying to tell me im wrong for not believing and trying to preach to me - which many do!

this


DO you respect all beliefs or have you some you do not respect, like say BNP or perhaps a paedophile?

[Princess]

I believe in karma,fate,micarles and all that. Plus after someone close to you dies,it's kinda hard not to believe in heaven. But no,I don't believe in God. You know that book 'The Secret' or the law of attraction as I can it,yeah I'm all for that :P

[Brad.]

I cant understand religion and cant really except it. so i am atheist

[IsleOfWeather]

Originally posted by Bradley.
I cant understand religion and cant really except it. so i am atheist

or lazy

[Chantel]

i dont really believe in religion

[IsleOfWeather]

Originally posted by Rachel-x
i dont really believe in religion

I hope that you are joking:tongue:

[Chantel]

Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
Originally posted by Rachel-x
i dont really believe in religion

I hope that you are joking:tongue:

lol no im serious

[IsleOfWeather]

Originally posted by Rachel-x
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
Originally posted by Rachel-x
i dont really believe in religion

I hope that you are joking:tongue:

lol no im serious


then perhaps you can explain as last time I looked religion was alive and well in every town and city in the whole world:shrug:

[Chantel]

Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
Originally posted by Rachel-x
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
Originally posted by Rachel-x
i dont really believe in religion

I hope that you are joking:tongue:

lol no im serious


then perhaps you can explain as last time I looked religion was alive and well in every town and city in the whole world:shrug:

i've never been brought up with religion
what i should have said was - i dont believe in god sorry for the confusion :flowers:

[IsleOfWeather]

What do you think Jesus was then?

[Chantel]

Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
What do you think Jesus was then?

i think he's made up

[IsleOfWeather]

Originally posted by Rachel-x
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
What do you think Jesus was then?

i think he's made up


aha, you really do not know much about religion:conf2:

[Jayson]

I'm atheist.

[IsleOfWeather]

Originally posted by Jayson
I'm atheist.

you can get a cream for that

[arista]

Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
Not the God in cartoons sitting on a cloud, but the God of your heart, of the universe, the God who is love and love is God.


There is No God


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[NettoSuperstar!]

No...but I believe there are ways of living that benefit humanity and ways that dont and thats what Jesus was on about

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
Not the God in cartoons sitting on a cloud, but the God of your heart, of the universe, the God who is love and love is God.


There is No God


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CR1BZ2E0L._SS500_.jpg
So whats with all this "sign of the times" business then?

[BBUK4LYFE]

I believe in God and have Christian beliefs, but I'm not a Christian.

[IsleOfWeather]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
Not the God in cartoons sitting on a cloud, but the God of your heart, of the universe, the God who is love and love is God.


There is No God


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CR1BZ2E0L._SS500_.jpg



so you just believe what this guy says?


talk about having Faith!

[arista]

There is Faith in yourself.


But there is No God.

You are Deluded to think there is a God
Fact.

[Hugo]

How anybody in this day and age can still truly inside themselves believe in a God is absolutely beyond me, but w/e everyone to their own.

[Braden]

yes.

[IsleOfWeather]

Originally posted by arista
There is Faith in yourself.


But there is No God.

You are Deluded to think there is a God
Fact.

denial and insult


hmmmmmmmm?



FAIL

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Yes, but i worship the hindu god kali!

[King Gizzard]

yes I do, i'm not a strict christian, but i believe in it all.

[BB_Eye]

I believe in God... but a metaphysical God, not the corporeal God that Catholics believe in (got nothing against Catholicism though). Still, I would say I am a Christian.

Smug atheists (not all atheists) are one of my pet dislikes along with stuck up religious clerics who meddle in politics and media censorship in the interests of their own self-importance.

But still, I think religion is a good thing and is becoming increasingly important in the modern world where people are becoming less willing to do anything worthwhile that doesn't benefit their bank balance or their own ego.

[staceyxxx]

bronaa hey

[NettoSuperstar!]

I believe in God... but a metaphysical God, not the corporeal God that Catholics believe in (got nothing against Catholicism though). Still, I would say I am a Christian.

Smug atheists (not all atheists) are one of my pet dislikes along with stuck up religious clerics who meddle in politics and media censorship in the interests of their own self-importance.

But still, I think religion is a good thing and is becoming increasingly important in the modern world where people are becoming less willing to do anything worthwhile that doesn't benefit their bank balance or their own ego.

Id kind of go along with that but organized religion has used and abused the words of good people like Jesus to meet their own ends and wield power! The basic message from people like Jesus, Moses etc is good though and more people could do with taking some of it on board...The greed of the of some of the most rich and powerful is repulsive and a danger to humanity!

[Tom]

I believe there is something, not God but something bigger or extra to the world. I don't think its just this, I don't see how it can be

[NettoSuperstar!]

I believe there is something, not God but something bigger or extra to the world. I don't think its just this, I don't see how it can be



yeh and we can create living cells now, Its really not that crazy to suggest some more evolved life in the universe created us eh!? Couldnt have complete faith in the idea mind

[Tom]

I believe there is something, not God but something bigger or extra to the world. I don't think its just this, I don't see how it can be



yeh and we can create living cells now, Its really not that crazy to suggest some more evolved life in the universe created us eh!? Couldnt have complete faith in the idea mind

Never thought of it that way before, I just really seen it as being controlled somehow. I believe in fate and all that, I think something controls us all to an extent. And then if you're going to go a bit further (which is what I meant by the bit extra) I'm on about life after death and such.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I believe there is something, not God but something bigger or extra to the world. I don't think its just this, I don't see how it can be



yeh and we can create living cells now, Its really not that crazy to suggest some more evolved life in the universe created us eh!? Couldnt have complete faith in the idea mind

Never thought of it that way before, I just really seen it as being controlled somehow. I believe in fate and all that, I think something controls us all to an extent. And then if you're going to go a bit further (which is what I meant by the bit extra) I'm on about life after death and such.

Aliens made us Tom, face it! lol...They probably watch us every night Big Brother style laughing their tits off at the dumb things we do! Noone really dies, theyre just getting evicted:joker:

[bansheewails]

I was brought up as Catholic but no longer practise any religion and encourage my children to question everything, to take nothing at face value. I can't take the whole organised religion seriously any more, they are all really cults of some sort or another!

[Tom4784]

I believe that there could be a god but there's no way to prove or disprove it so I don't worry about it much.

[arista]

I believe that there could be a god but there's no way to prove or disprove it so I don't worry about it much.


Fair Point Dezzy

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And this is a Great Book.

[SurferJay]

I go to a catholic school in Ireland but I dont believe in any of it tbh but im open to the possibility of there being some form of higher power but i see it as unlikely. As for religion, who is to say that the christian God is the real one? Why not the Muslim God? I don't understand how people can have certainty without proof.

Heres a quote.

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
- Sir Stephen Henry Roberts

[Enid]

Nope.

Religion has only ever been a tool to control the masses. I do not need "faith in god" or religion. I don't need some book to tell me how to live my life. I make my own decisions. Good or bad. I am my own person and I'm happy.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Nope.

Religion has only ever been a tool to control the masses. I do not need "faith in god" or religion. I don't need some book to tell me how to live my life. I make my own decisions. Good or bad. I am my own person and I'm happy.

So good or bad we should all live our lives without developing some kind of moral code? Im just asking the question btw I dont have the answers

[GypsyGoth]

I don't know if there is one or not. I don't really think of it.

I believe in people I guess, you know the way it is us that make this world what it is, if that makes sense.

[bansheewails]

Early religions had multiple gods and godesses, christiany took the best bits of them and rolled it into one 'god', they even use the same dates as pagans for feast days and holidays, so it was easier to covert the masses.

Women in early religions had equal footing with men and this was taken away by the new christian religion and women today are still trying to claw their way back up there.

Have faith, all the faith you want. Believe what you want, it is proven to be good for you to have faith in anything, just don't blindly follow that faith in organised religion, without questioning it.

Rant over!

[mikealhussy]

I like to think of it as the information source for the Bible holidays. God told his people to set apart special days including Sabbath.

[atieah2009]

I was bought up with stone age religion, not really strict but really stone age. Im not religious but always when i think of hell i say 'im going to change tommorow thats it no more this no more that' then i wake up the next day and back to the usaull:D But i have deeeeeeeeeeep faith in god!:thumbs:

[atieah2009]

Early religions had multiple gods and godesses, christiany took the best bits of them and rolled it into one 'god', they even use the same dates as pagans for feast days and holidays, so it was easier to covert the masses.

Women in early religions had equal footing with men and this was taken away by the new christian religion and women today are still trying to claw their way back up there.

Have faith, all the faith you want. Believe what you want, it is proven to be good for you to have faith in anything, just don't blindly follow that faith in organised religion, without questioning it.

Rant over!





'what organised religion is this'?

[atieah2009]

Btw i dont belive gods a man or a woman i belive it's just a supernatural person:thumbs:

[IsleOfWeather]

Early religions had multiple gods and godesses, christiany took the best bits of them and rolled it into one 'god', they even use the same dates as pagans for feast days and holidays, so it was easier to covert the masses.

Women in early religions had equal footing with men and this was taken away by the new christian religion and women today are still trying to claw their way back up there.

Have faith, all the faith you want. Believe what you want, it is proven to be good for you to have faith in anything, just don't blindly follow that faith in organised religion, without questioning it.

Rant over!






cliche after tired google generation cliche

[Mark]

http://blog.stringoftheories.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/santagod.jpg

[andyman]

:thumbs::laugh:http://blog.stringoftheories.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/santagod.jpgSo true, but the mother would flip into rage and strike back..

[InOne]

Well the simple monothiesm debunk is who designed the designer. But you don't even have to go that far seen as religion is riddled with contradiction anyway.

[bansheewails]

Early religions had multiple gods and godesses, christiany took the best bits of them and rolled it into one 'god', they even use the same dates as pagans for feast days and holidays, so it was easier to covert the masses.

Women in early religions had equal footing with men and this was taken away by the new christian religion and women today are still trying to claw their way back up there.

Have faith, all the faith you want. Believe what you want, it is proven to be good for you to have faith in anything, just don't blindly follow that faith in organised religion, without questioning it.

Rant over!






cliche after tired google generation cliche

Cliched how? Its fact, even my religion teacher taught us this information! Google Generation, I dont think so! Educated generation yes!

[bansheewails]

Early religions had multiple gods and godesses, christiany took the best bits of them and rolled it into one 'god', they even use the same dates as pagans for feast days and holidays, so it was easier to covert the masses.

Women in early religions had equal footing with men and this was taken away by the new christian religion and women today are still trying to claw their way back up there.

Have faith, all the faith you want. Believe what you want, it is proven to be good for you to have faith in anything, just don't blindly follow that faith in organised religion, without questioning it.

Rant over!





'what organised religion is this'?

Catholic, then Protestant whic threw out the bits it didn't like about the catholic religions, even parts of Judaism is based on orginal pagan beliefs.

[InOne]

It seems Religion is on the rise amoungst teens though. Places like ALC that try make church fun and cool. Not good really, the last thing we need is a generation of fundies.

[IsleOfWeather]

Christianity is based on Jesus and nowt else.

[Niamh.]

Early religions had multiple gods and godesses, christiany took the best bits of them and rolled it into one 'god', they even use the same dates as pagans for feast days and holidays, so it was easier to covert the masses.

Women in early religions had equal footing with men and this was taken away by the new christian religion and women today are still trying to claw their way back up there.

Have faith, all the faith you want. Believe what you want, it is proven to be good for you to have faith in anything, just don't blindly follow that faith in organised religion, without questioning it.

Rant over!






cliche after tired google generation cliche

Cliched how? Its fact, even my religion teacher taught us this information! Google Generation, I dont think so! Educated generation yes!

This is what I think also Banshee. Google generation cliches??? What does that even mean??? Because people aren't blindly believing what priests etc are telling us anymore??? If there is a God and he/she's as loving and forgiving as most religions tell us, wouldn't he just want us to be generally good people and think for ourselves with the free thought the he/she has given us??

[Vicky.]

I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god.

Yeh I believe that the words of Jesus and the like were misinterpreted by idiots. Jesus didnt write the bible or proclaim to be the son of god, all that s**** was decided afterwards and influenced by the powerful and corrupted no doubt!

[Vicky.]

I honestly do think that religion is just a ploy to control gullible people, tell them how to live and such. And take their money...I went to church when I was younger and if I didnt put 50p in the collection, the sunday school teachers were awful with me...seems money plays a BIG part in religion nowadays...I dont know if it has always been like that though.

[InOne]

I honestly do think that religion is just a ploy to control gullible people, tell them how to live and such. And take their money...I went to church when I was younger and if I didnt put 50p in the collection, the sunday school teachers were awful with me...seems money plays a BIG part in religion nowadays...I dont know if it has always been like that though.

It's good that it does not have as much influence as it used to. Although fundamentalism in Christiany seems to be growing.

[NettoSuperstar!]

They spend a lot on charitable causes to be fair but yeh. There are loads of cults out there in it for the money and the power. I believe Jesus was a good bloke just trying to spread the love like tho. He'd be appalled at half the **** done in his name Im sure

[Niamh.]

I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god.

Yeh I believe that the words of Jesus and the like were misinterpreted by idiots. Jesus didnt write the bible or proclaim to be the son of god, all that s**** was decided afterwards and influenced by the powerful and corrupted no doubt!

An interesting fact as well is that Catholic priests were allowed to marry up until the 1st centuary but then they changed it because they didn't want wives inheriting the churches money/property

[Vicky.]

They spend a lot on charitable causes to be fair but yeh. There are loads of cults out there in it for the money and the power. I believe Jesus was a good bloke just trying to spread the love like tho. He'd be appalled at half the s*** done in his name Im sure

Why make a child feel s*** because they dont have 50p left of their pocket money to put in the collection though? Or because their parents forgot to give them collection money that day? Church is an awful place, people who choose to go their and be told how to live their lives, and give away their hard earned money need their heads seeing to I think. If these churches are giving it to charity, why not just encourage people to give it to charity...instead of (sort of)bullying them into giving it to them...

And yeah, Jesus will be turning in his grave/tomb/whatever over what his tales have done to the world.

[Tom]

I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god.

Yeh I believe that the words of Jesus and the like were misinterpreted by idiots. Jesus didnt write the bible or proclaim to be the son of god, all that s**** was decided afterwards and influenced by the powerful and corrupted no doubt!

An interesting fact as well is that Catholic priests were allowed to marry up until the 1st centuary but then they changed it because they didn't want wives inheriting the churches money/property

Now they say Priests are married to God, but that would make both God and Priests gay?! And the church is against gays ...

[NettoSuperstar!]

Ive only really been in a church a handful of times...its mind bendingly boring

[florence33]

They spend a lot on charitable causes to be fair but yeh. There are loads of cults out there in it for the money and the power. I believe Jesus was a good bloke just trying to spread the love like tho. He'd be appalled at half the s*** done in his name Im sure

Why make a child feel s*** because they dont have 50p left of their pocket money to put in the collection though? Or because their parents forgot to give them collection money that day? Church is an awful place, people who choose to go their and be told how to live their lives, and give away their hard earned money need their heads seeing to I think. If these churches are giving it to charity, why not just encourage people to give it to charity...instead of (sort of)bullying them into giving it to them...

And yeah, Jesus will be turning in his grave/tomb/whatever over what his tales have done to the world. You are right. Seek God for yourself and not through any religion.

[atieah2009]

I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god.

Yeh I believe that the words of Jesus and the like were misinterpreted by idiots. Jesus didnt write the bible or proclaim to be the son of god, all that s**** was decided afterwards and influenced by the powerful and corrupted no doubt!

An interesting fact as well is that Catholic priests were allowed to marry up until the 1st centuary but then they changed it because they didn't want wives inheriting the churches money/property

Now they say Priests are married to God, but that would make both God and Priests gay?! And the church is against gays ...

Err god may be male in christiany but its not he or she a superhuman to muslims, and i donate %25 of money to charity and not to religion, miss vicky j every religion needs a bit of money its unfortunate you ran into a nasty teacher. You do know priests and scholars are human and have children and need money to live and arent benifit fools! Loving god and religion for life!

[Tom]

I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god.

Yeh I believe that the words of Jesus and the like were misinterpreted by idiots. Jesus didnt write the bible or proclaim to be the son of god, all that s**** was decided afterwards and influenced by the powerful and corrupted no doubt!

An interesting fact as well is that Catholic priests were allowed to marry up until the 1st centuary but then they changed it because they didn't want wives inheriting the churches money/property

Now they say Priests are married to God, but that would make both God and Priests gay?! And the church is against gays ...

Err god may be male in christiany but its not he or she a superhuman to muslims, and i donate %25 of money to charity and not to religion, miss vicky j every religion needs a bit of money its unfortunate you ran into a nasty teacher. You do know priests and scholars are human and have children and need money to live and arent benifit fools! Loving god and religion for life!

But this thread is about Christianity otherwise the thread title would be "Do you have faith in a god?"

[Beastie]

Try and have faith in yourself before relying in God.

[atieah2009]

I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god.

Yeh I believe that the words of Jesus and the like were misinterpreted by idiots. Jesus didnt write the bible or proclaim to be the son of god, all that s**** was decided afterwards and influenced by the powerful and corrupted no doubt!

An interesting fact as well is that Catholic priests were allowed to marry up until the 1st centuary but then they changed it because they didn't want wives inheriting the churches money/property

Now they say Priests are married to God, but that would make both God and Priests gay?! And the church is against gays ...

Err god may be male in christiany but its not he or she a superhuman to muslims, and i donate %25 of money to charity and not to religion, miss vicky j every religion needs a bit of money its unfortunate you ran into a nasty teacher. You do know priests and scholars are human and have children and need money to live and arent benifit fools! Loving god and religion for life!

But this thread is about Christianity otherwise the thread title would be "Do you have faith in a god?"

god is god i belive theres one god and it doesnt say anywhere that this thread is about christianity:thumbs:

[NettoSuperstar!]

I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god.

Yeh I believe that the words of Jesus and the like were misinterpreted by idiots. Jesus didnt write the bible or proclaim to be the son of god, all that s**** was decided afterwards and influenced by the powerful and corrupted no doubt!

An interesting fact as well is that Catholic priests were allowed to marry up until the 1st centuary but then they changed it because they didn't want wives inheriting the churches money/property

Now they say Priests are married to God, but that would make both God and Priests gay?! And the church is against gays ...

Err god may be male in christiany but its not he or she a superhuman to muslims, and i donate %25 of money to charity and not to religion, miss vicky j every religion needs a bit of money its unfortunate you ran into a nasty teacher. You do know priests and scholars are human and have children and need money to live and arent benifit fools! Loving god and religion for life!

But this thread is about Christianity otherwise the thread title would be "Do you have faith in a god?"

Tom have you been sniffing glue again? heheh

[Tom]

No, why is it so hard to grasp? Only Christianity calls their god 'God', ie with a capital as though its his name (even though its something else). All other religions have other names instead and say god(s). So from the title you can imply this is about Christianity.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Ooh Thomas!

[atieah2009]

No, why is it so hard to grasp? Only Christianity calls their god 'God', ie with a capital as though its his name (even though its something else). All other religions have other names instead and say god(s). So from the title you can imply this is about Christianity.



No allah is god in english, and if there is a god he would be of one that controls the whole world not seperate religions, this is about god not christianity!

[IsleOfWeather]

God is love

and love is God





go figure

[Zac]

No. There is no god.

[Vladimir]

When I was little I had faith in God, but now I don't know, although my parents are very religious.

[arista]

No. There is no god.



Bang On Right

[Alf]

Not the God in cartoons sitting on a cloud, but the God of your heart, of the universe, the God who is love and love is God.
he's a big bearded toga wearing killjoy

[atieah2009]

Everyone has there opinion:p

[MassiveTruck]

Originally posted by IsleOfWeather
Not the God in cartoons sitting on a cloud, but the God of your heart, of the universe, the God who is love and love is God.


There is No God


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Richard Dawkins' argument is pretty flat. "Oh we found some bones and these erm tribes yeah? Like and erm... then I thought, because these tribes yeah... they were like doing this and these bones and these animals like yeah... they were like on an island - then there is no God. It's a lie because I saw this tribe"

He's a numpty.

[MassiveTruck]

I have faith in God and a higher power but I think a lot of people have diluted Religion into cult worship these days. Some of the churches have made such a folly of dogma that it's cult like worship these days.

I believe that the areas of Religion that talk of spirit and conciousness, is God like while all the tradition, ceremony, rituals etc - are not really religious or God like.

I can't take a scientific view because Science doesn't have faith in itself (all critique, evaluation, counter critique and reasoning). I doubt Science in the nature that science is will never ever be happy or content because it questions everything.

One of the fascinating areas of Science, Physics and some of the recent studies on multiple big bangs and the balloon Universe theory actually relate to energy, matter and astronomical behaviour towards an intelligence life form. i.e. why doesn't the universe expand beyond it's state. There appears to be something pushing the Universe inwards - be they the energy from multiple big bangs (not possible because the resulting reaction would be outwards since there is nowhere to go inside).

Even in Science, they are only capable of studying and understanding things within their own school of though. Even PhD students and doctoral candidates or professors and lecturers only have time for their own sphere of thought (like cells, organs, the stratosphere - tiny areas) so how can you have faith in science when there is no real scientists or groups of scientists to counter argue the effects of faith. Even they only answey things on the basis of theory.

So is there a God? Well, we're a whole bunch of idiots merely pondering everything and slaves to games and stories (films, musics, consoles)... what is our progress while Religion has progressed towards civilising the world that not even democracy, economy or politics could do. It's the political motives that use Religion that create problems.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Good points Massive Truck...Richard Dawkins is as closed minded as a lot of religious folk. Science and religion are not the opposite of each other just different ways of looking at different things

[Jackie]

Nope.

Religion has only ever been a tool to control the masses. I do not need "faith in god" or religion. I don't need some book to tell me how to live my life. I make my own decisions. Good or bad. I am my own person and I'm happy.


I'm the same i don't pray to god everytime i need hope i deal with it myself but i do beleive things happen for a reason.

[florence33]

I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god. Really, I think that if everyone believe that God don't exists, this world would be a very dangerous place. After all, what do you have to lose? It's real easy to act like a jackass.

[MassiveTruck]

Good points Massive Truck...Richard Dawkins is as closed minded as a lot of religious folk. Science and religion are not the opposite of each other just different ways of looking at different things

Yes he is. It's shocking.

Evolution has so many holes. It tries to explain some things but fails to explain all the holes in evolution. It's like a case of DNA being the answer but the more they try to explain the more it appears everything is open to chance so isn't as clinical as Evolution.

The biggest problem with Evolution are the changes in climate and how much priority they give to procreation as the ideal towards species. It has no answer for conciousness or our bewildering creativity (pathetically, they think that is all down to procreation and peacocking) - it's utterly daft.

They don't have all the answers and for many things faith and belief in our own spirit is far better than believing "oh, you did it because you wanted to s**g him/her (in order to prolong the species)".

Utter crap.

Yes Netto. That is a succinct way of putting it. That Science and Religion are just different ways of looking at the same thing.

I'd rather an open mind rather than putting Science on a pedestal and saying this is it. That would be awful and would put an end to the world. The last time I looked, it was still spinning and we were still moving.

[Ramsay]

no i do not.

[King Gizzard]

yes I do, i'm not a strict christian, but i believe in it all.

[MassiveTruck]

yes I do, i'm not a strict christian, but i believe in it all.

Good for you man. Are your family practicing Christians? If so, what denomination are they?

[Firewire]

Nope.

Bible is fictional.

[arista]

Yes it is a Fable
There is No God.
Fact.

[Vicky.]

I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god. Really, I think that if everyone believe that God don't exists, this world would be a very dangerous place. After all, what do you have to lose? It's real easy to act like a jackass.

The world is a more dangerous place because of religion. A lot of wars have occurred because of it, and lots of people have died for it. So how would the world be a dangerous place without it?

And you think Im acting like a jackass because I have different views than you? Speaks for itself really.

[arista]

Yes very True
VickyJ.


You are most wise.

[MassiveTruck]

I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god. Really, I think that if everyone believe that God don't exists, this world would be a very dangerous place. After all, what do you have to lose? It's real easy to act like a jackass.

The world is a more dangerous place because of religion. A lot of wars have occurred because of it, and lots of people have died for it. So how would the world be a dangerous place without it?

And you think Im acting like a jackass because I have different views than you? Speaks for itself really.

I think Vicky the world is far more dangerous because of politics using Religion and misinterpreting it.

For instance terrorism - is largely controlled by underworld crime using Religion. The Taliban for instance, are huge drug smugglers. They found the second largest shipment of drugs ever in Afghanistan a while back - Marijuana, Coke and obviously Heroin. The Taliban basically use this (Religion) as a front and that the West are infidels.

This is financed by the Saudi families who are interested in pushing oil and their interests and using Islam, misinterpreting it for self benefit.

Other areas are the use of politics among Christians to get votes. Scaring parents about their kids getting diseases, pregnant if they don't believe in God and then saying vote for us and we'll get you a vote. A lot of this is governed by Religion.

Unfortunately, we rarely hear about the masses and masses of people who find faith and a future in their religion. In Africa for instance it's a huge lifeline, the biggest thing they have amidst people manipulating and controlling them and for them it works. India, China, masses of Europe - the vast majority of Religious people talk about how much their faith helps them live civil and balanced lives away from the problems in life. As much as Islam is a bit of an oddity, the people who practice Religion, again the vast majority (and I don't mean the muslim council of Britain or the Foundation of Islam) believe Islam to be a peaceful religion and even in the major Islamic countries around the world, the majority of participants away from the news headlines want peace throughout the middle east.

Surprisingly, this is the case in Iran as well. It is the Ayatollah and his control largely supported by influential billionaires pushing their own agenda that stops people from gaining true democratic power while they manipulate villagers and indigenous people in the country to gain a false win in polls.

So, I know people use Religion to fool and manipulate impressionable people with no hope or future but looking at the vast majority of people who are helped by Religion to live ina world, where lets face it, life isn't easy for anybody (even away from the Religion argument) then I guess it's easy for us in a country like we have to have choice for Religion becase we get help for Health, Work and everything but in countries where you have to push harder and work harder, Religion gives that impetus in people to try harder and a belief that there is more to life than nothing.

Here: Check this out,

http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/2009/09/taliban-afghanistan-pakistan

[florence33]

I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god. Really, I think that if everyone believe that God don't exists, this world would be a very dangerous place. After all, what do you have to lose? It's real easy to act like a jackass.

The world is a more dangerous place because of religion. A lot of wars have occurred because of it, and lots of people have died for it. So how would the world be a dangerous place without it?

And you think Im acting like a jackass because I have different views than you? Speaks for itself really. I did not said anything about religion. God is all I know. There is no way that I am going to confuse myself. It was not your statement that prompt me to say it is easy to act like a jackass, most people I know who becomes christians will say that they were living an unholy life. Whatever that was, they couldn't be that proud, to make them want to change they lives, meaning, it's easy to do the wrong thing. I stop lying to myself years ago. It is easy to behave like a jackass. Whether that is getting drunk, sleeping around ect.. I just refrain from doing those things because I love God too much and He loves me but now, I love myself.:hello:

[florence33]

I know that some people would not agree with me about drinking alcohol, but overdone in most situations is the root of a lot of problems, but that,s just me. I rather not touch the stuff.

[MassiveTruck]

I know that some people would not agree with me about drinking alcohol, but overdone in most situations is the root of a lot of problems, but that,s just me. I rather not touch the stuff.

I don't think any singular thing is the cause of problems in the world. I would say a lack of employment leading to broken areas of society causes numerous problems.

You give a person a job and they have little time to stir up trouble of any kind.

[MassiveTruck]

Wrong thread.

[atieah2009]

Without religion there would be no boundaries. Anyway no one follows religion and wars in countries happen also because they are very poor such as iraq,iran and so on. For me no matter what happens even if every single person in the world doesnt belive in god i would still have the same belief, long live god!

[NettoSuperstar!]

I dont believe in god, life after death, fate, or any of that cr*p to be honest. When you die, thats it, you get eaten by worms or blow around the world in tiny pieces forever more...I believe in the big bang theory, and evolution, but fate, is nothing but a nice story. Same as the bible, I believe that it was written as a story book, it got into some deluded persons hands, and they took it for real. Jesus was one hell of an author, but not the son of god. Really, I think that if everyone believe that God don't exists, this world would be a very dangerous place. After all, what do you have to lose? It's real easy to act like a jackass.

The world is a more dangerous place because of religion. A lot of wars have occurred because of it, and lots of people have died for it. So how would the world be a dangerous place without it?

And you think Im acting like a jackass because I have different views than you? Speaks for itself really.

I think Vicky the world is far more dangerous because of politics using Religion and misinterpreting it.

For instance terrorism - is largely controlled by underworld crime using Religion. The Taliban for instance, are huge drug smugglers. They found the second largest shipment of drugs ever in Afghanistan a while back - Marijuana, Coke and obviously Heroin. The Taliban basically use this (Religion) as a front and that the West are infidels.

This is financed by the Saudi families who are interested in pushing oil and their interests and using Islam, misinterpreting it for self benefit.

Other areas are the use of politics among Christians to get votes. Scaring parents about their kids getting diseases, pregnant if they don't believe in God and then saying vote for us and we'll get you a vote. A lot of this is governed by Religion.

Unfortunately, we rarely hear about the masses and masses of people who find faith and a future in their religion. In Africa for instance it's a huge lifeline, the biggest thing they have amidst people manipulating and controlling them and for them it works. India, China, masses of Europe - the vast majority of Religious people talk about how much their faith helps them live civil and balanced lives away from the problems in life. As much as Islam is a bit of an oddity, the people who practice Religion, again the vast majority (and I don't mean the muslim council of Britain or the Foundation of Islam) believe Islam to be a peaceful religion and even in the major Islamic countries around the world, the majority of participants away from the news headlines want peace throughout the middle east.

Surprisingly, this is the case in Iran as well. It is the Ayatollah and his control largely supported by influential billionaires pushing their own agenda that stops people from gaining true democratic power while they manipulate villagers and indigenous people in the country to gain a false win in polls.

So, I know people use Religion to fool and manipulate impressionable people with no hope or future but looking at the vast majority of people who are helped by Religion to live ina world, where lets face it, life isn't easy for anybody (even away from the Religion argument) then I guess it's easy for us in a country like we have to have choice for Religion becase we get help for Health, Work and everything but in countries where you have to push harder and work harder, Religion gives that impetus in people to try harder and a belief that there is more to life than nothing.

Here: Check this out,

http://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/2009/09/taliban-afghanistan-pakistan

yeh I agree Christianity and Islam (for example) were born out of the political situation at the time. And the misinterpretation of great spiritual thinkers and abuses in the name of them all stem from the social/political dynamics of the time and so its gone throughout history. Wanting to develop spiritually and unite humanity in that development in itself, is, and has probably been of extreme importance in our evolution. Research suggests that people who have faith in something higher than the individual (that doesnt always have to be belief in a physical being either) report being more contented and the suicide rate is lower too

[Stu]

The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all!

[NettoSuperstar!]

The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all!

See this is the problem...living by something so dogmatically that has been contrived in the way you describe is mass lunacy! What is wrong with critically evaluating all religions and coming to the conclusion that all religions are fundamentally trying to find the same path! Its not pick and mix at all, it is trying to understand ALL spiritual thought and trying to find relevant meaning in it!

[arista]

The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all!




Bang On Right
There Is No God
Fact.

[Stu]

The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all!

See this is the problem...living by something so dogmatically that has been contrived in the way you describe is mass lunacy! What is wrong with critically evaluating all religions and coming to the conclusion that all religions are fundamentally trying to find the same path! Its not pick and mix at all, it is trying to understand ALL spiritual thought and trying to find relevant meaning in it!

I think that is an entirely different idea. What I am reffering to is so called 'christians' who 'believe in the word of god' but only certain parts. Most Christians I know have never read the Bible and have no idea what it is all about. I was under the impression that Christianity put a *teeny* bit of emphasis on the Bible considering it is the sacred text? How can people only believe in certain parts of the Bible? What if your parts are wrong and the other parts are right? It's just such a confusing and disheartening scenario.

but hey, thats what you get for following a draconian pile of dogshit. i feel no need to 'respect' the bible as being important to some because on a personal level it offends me, so I dont worry too much about offending christians. I dont have to respect your beliefs and it is riddiculous to think I must.

we have to come to terms with the fact that, believe in god or not, all existing explanations are MAN MADE.

[Stu]

The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all!




Bang On Right
There Is No God
Fact.
Wrong. Nobody can prove nor disprove the cosmic force that got us to where we are. Anybody who says any differently is a liar. Nobody has the story

im a militant agnostic :)

[arista]

MA


Is Good News.

[setanta]

The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all!




Bang On Right
There Is No God
Fact.
Wrong. Nobody can prove nor disprove the cosmic force that got us to where we are. Anybody who says any differently is a liar. Nobody has the story

im a militant agnostic :)

I'm basically agnostic too but while I agree with you to a certain extent with regard to the Bible, I do still find the story of Jesus particularly moving and has a real resonance for me. You can throw away the old testament as far as I'm concerned but I don't think there's a story as beautiful as the one of Jesus that can be found in any other religion.

[Stu]

The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all!




Bang On Right
There Is No God
Fact.
Wrong. Nobody can prove nor disprove the cosmic force that got us to where we are. Anybody who says any differently is a liar. Nobody has the story

im a militant agnostic :)

I'm basically agnostic too but while I agree with you to a certain extent with regard to the Bible, I do still find the story of Jesus particularly moving and has a real resonance for me. You can throw away the old testament as far as I'm concerned but I don't think there's a story as beautiful as the one of Jesus that can be found in any other religion.
I would agree completely with you but remember, the news testament is a fulfilment of the OLD teastament. The two are inseperable.

[setanta]

The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all!




Bang On Right
There Is No God
Fact.
Wrong. Nobody can prove nor disprove the cosmic force that got us to where we are. Anybody who says any differently is a liar. Nobody has the story

im a militant agnostic :)

I'm basically agnostic too but while I agree with you to a certain extent with regard to the Bible, I do still find the story of Jesus particularly moving and has a real resonance for me. You can throw away the old testament as far as I'm concerned but I don't think there's a story as beautiful as the one of Jesus that can be found in any other religion.
I would agree completely with you but remember, the news testament is a fulfilment of the OLD teastament. The two are inseperable.

Oh, I think you can seperate the two, and furthermore you can seperate between the different Books contained in the Old Testament because as you have already alluded to, they're written by different men at varying times in our history.

[NettoSuperstar!]

The Bible is not the word of god. Nor is it a single book. It is a collection of whack ass books written by multiple men over generations, and changed by multiple men over generations. It is a product of it's time. A political manifesto to encourage violence towards homosexuals and restrain the rights of women.

How people can worship such a gaping hole is beyond me. And make no mistake about it, I believe in some form of god. I dont believe a bunch of chemicals combining over the course of evolution could come to form the human brain we can feel emotion and self reflect with.

However, I have more respect for fundamentalists christians than you people who think it is cool to use the Bible as a pick and mix template for your own desires. Worship the full flaw or dont worship it at all!

See this is the problem...living by something so dogmatically that has been contrived in the way you describe is mass lunacy! What is wrong with critically evaluating all religions and coming to the conclusion that all religions are fundamentally trying to find the same path! Its not pick and mix at all, it is trying to understand ALL spiritual thought and trying to find relevant meaning in it!

I think that is an entirely different idea. What I am reffering to is so called 'christians' who 'believe in the word of god' but only certain parts. Most Christians I know have never read the Bible and have no idea what it is all about. I was under the impression that Christianity put a *teeny* bit of emphasis on the Bible considering it is the sacred text? How can people only believe in certain parts of the Bible? What if your parts are wrong and the other parts are right? It's just such a confusing and disheartening scenario.

but hey, thats what you get for following a draconian pile of dogshit. i feel no need to 'respect' the bible as being important to some because on a personal level it offends me, so I dont worry too much about offending christians. I dont have to respect your beliefs and it is riddiculous to think I must.

we have to come to terms with the fact that, believe in god or not, all existing explanations are MAN MADE.

Well sure, but some people can appreciate aspects of the bible ie/ showing compassion, kindness, loving thy neighbour (but not coveting his wife etc) and perhaps enjoy the unity, prayer and meditation etc involved in being a Christian but disagree with parts that have no place in todays society. Fair play to them.

[Stu]

Yes but Jesus FULFILLED THE OLD TESTAMENT and along with it mosaic law! He spoke of Adam & Eve, Noah, and Hell! You cant possibly worship the man and ignore the fact that he WAS a jew.

You cant like the fruit and hate the tree! I am aware that man has an inherent need for dogma, but man.

[MassiveTruck]

Without religion there would be no boundaries. Anyway no one follows religion and wars in countries happen also because they are very poor such as iraq,iran and so on. For me no matter what happens even if every single person in the world doesnt belive in god i would still have the same belief, long live god!

Yes. Over most of millenia (prior to Christianity) the large groupings of spiritual and religious beliefs were as guardians of peace and civility and the promotion of knowledge. In recent millenia, war has been used by some faiths to promote Religion (mainly Christianity and Islam) but even there the monotheistic faiths are in conflict in regards to the misrepresentation of their teachings.