Sneaky Siavash's Dual Gameplan to Grab the £100k - Martyr + Victim ...

[AhmedFan2004]

This gameplan is cunning, many people will not see this. A shame, as he is cleverly fooling the public AND HMs. He had a dual gameplan; Martyr + Victim. This, approaching final week, to push for £100k. Bare in mind, eviction this week or finishing 4th/5th next week, is trivial; it's about going for £100k.

Part 1 - Martyr

The idea here, is that he makes himself look like a martyr and a brave hero for putting himself up for the public vote. This is congruent to his 'No Free Rides', 'Anti-Scheming', 'Put Myself Up' ethos that he's been vocalising.

Based on his calculations that himself and David were on 3 noms each (turned out Rod fooled him though):

=> He could easily nom David, hence David vs Marcus eviction, saving himself. BUT; this contradicts the described ethos above. It makes himself look schemy and cowardly.

=> He can nom David and put himself up in a LIKELY 3-way eviction. Perfect; he looks awesome for taking the plunge, but also knows that David will get evicted. So he looks great but stays in the house - Part 1 Complete - Martyr

Part 2 - Victim

This was the cleverest part of it all IMO. Many FMs, including Siavash fans, realised what he was doing in Part 1. Trying to boost his popularity/appeal whilst using David as a safety net. But in this part, he really plays it well.

At the table, in casual conversation, he decides to tell Rodrigo out of the blue - Without prompt or questioning - That he decided not to nominate. But why do this ehhh?Everyone knows Rod's temper and how he hates not nominating, rule tampering. Rod PREDICTABLY reacted, and told everyone ...

Part 2 Completed - Everyone gets angry at him, and he keeps his calm and trys to defend himself, saying 'But I only put myself up; it doesn't affect you, I'm doing David a favour too, it's now 3 of us. What's the problem?'.

So now he looks like a martyr, getting victimised by Rod and Co. So Part 2 Complete - Victim

END RESULT:

He risks himself being up for eviction, 3 way, or even 2 way (as it so happened!) but done this to bolster his popularity and look awesome - A great plan to push for the £100k.

Why risk this? As I said at the start, getting evicted now or finishing 4th/5th next week; similar. It's now time to gun £100k; Vash style.

Gameplan Cracked. :thumbs:

[King Gizzard]

Spare time much

[setanta]

Old news baby but sure they wont see it this way when everything points to it.

[Dolphin-and-Whale]

I think your over analysing the situation

[google]

:sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:


and what Lisa deserves to win :bored::bored: :sleep::sleep:

[Jordan.]

What 100k :shrug:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by setanta
Old news baby but sure they wont see it this way when everything points to it.
Part 2 is not old news - He purposefully told volatile Rodrigo at the table about not nominating, to cause a reaction and ensure they got angry at him.

To play the victim.

Martyr + Victim = £100k in his sights. :spin2:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by LethalDealer
I think your over analysing the situation
I've laid out everything in this post. The logic follows and it's pretty obvious now.

Why tell Rodrigo out of the blue, at the table, that he didn't nominate? :thumbs:

Why put himself up for eviction, in a 3-way, via his own choice? :thumbs:

Martyr + Victim = Push for the £100k

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by SPIDERPIG!
What 100k :shrug:
The £100k that was taken off them the day after this all happened.

[setanta]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by setanta
Old news baby but sure they wont see it this way when everything points to it.
Part 2 is not old news - He purposefully told volatile Rodrigo at the table about not nominating, to cause a reaction and ensure they got angry at him.

To play the victim.

Martyr + Victim = £100k in his sights. :spin2:

Yes it is.... was discussed last night by us. Oh, and you're forgetting a cracker he came out with today. Apparently he said that he missed Freddie and it's not the same without him... no love in the house. Such an obvious ploy to gain more sympathy for his own plight. When has he mentioned Freddie last?

[BONNEIP]

OP , it's not a popular view as See the cash can do no wrong, but i agree with ya anyway.... even if you state Lisa as you fav. She sure needs the cash, her fags must take up most of her dole money...but she has been consistant. Dull, tamed in the first weeks, & boring ( sorry).

[Lowkey]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by LethalDealer
I think your over analysing the situation
I've laid out everything in this post. The logic follows and it's pretty obvious now.

Why tell Rodrigo out of the blue, at the table, that he didn't nominate? :thumbs:

Why put himself up for eviction, in a 3-way, via his own choice? :thumbs:

Martyr + Victim = Push for the £100k

Maybe he told rodders, because him,sophie and rodders were sitting at the table, and sophie knew, and he felt bad from keeping it a secret from rodders, imagine how pissed off he would have been if he found out 4 days later.

[HalfwitFTW]

:sleep::sleep::sleep:

You really expect us to read that

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by BONNEIP
OP , it's not a popular view as See the cash can do no wrong, but i agree with ya anyway.... even if you state Lisa as you fav. She sure needs the cash, her fags must take up most of her dole money...but she has been consistant. Dull, tamed in the first weeks, & boring ( sorry).
Lisa's gameplan is bloc voting to get to the final and then being sweet to win it.

Siavash's gameplan is martyr + victim to push his way to £100k. Heroic, is what he's trying to portray.

I'm just laying this out for the forum members to see. :spin2:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by setanta

Yes it is.... was discussed last night by us. Oh, and you're forgetting a cracker he came out with today. Apparently he said that he missed Freddie and it's not the same without him... no love in the house. Such an obvious ploy to gain more sympathy for his own plight. When has he mentioned Freddie last?
Fair enough, I must have missed discussion about him purposefully telling it to Rodrigo to cause him and the others to kick off.

Clever ploy at playing the victim though. :rolleyes:

[MJBFAN]

Read it Ahmed fan, just as I read it on DS.
Don't agree with you.
Siavash maybe many things but he is not being manipulative for the sake of it.

He is trying to beat the block voters in his own way and why shouldn't he?

Yes there has been block voting and he is fighting back. who wouldn't?

[setanta]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by setanta

Yes it is.... was discussed last night by us. Oh, and you're forgetting a cracker he came out with today. Apparently he said that he missed Freddie and it's not the same without him... no love in the house. Such an obvious ploy to gain more sympathy for his own plight. When has he mentioned Freddie last?
Fair enough, I must have missed discussion about him purposefully telling it to Rodrigo to cause him and the others to kick off.

Clever ploy at playing the victim though. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I was arguing last night about it, saying that he obviously orchestrated the whole thing. Why else tell Rodrigo, the most anal of people when it concerns rules? And now he said that he misses Freddie and that they should give the money to charity. I need a sickbag.

[google]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
:sleep::sleep::sleep:

You really expect us to read that



:laugh: :laugh:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MJBFAN
Siavash maybe many things but he is not being manipulative for the sake of it.
Ok ...

He is trying to beat the block voters in his own way and why shouldn't he?
And yes, this is how he is doing it ...

Yes there has been block voting and he is fighting back. who wouldn't?
Yes and this is his plan to overcome it.

[google]

Originally posted by MJBFAN
Read it Ahmed fan, just as I read it on DS.
Don't agree with you.
Siavash maybe many things but he is not being manipulative for the sake of it.

He is trying to beat the block voters in his own way and why shouldn't he?

Yes there has been block voting and he is fighting back. who wouldn't?


:thumbs:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by setanta
Yeah, I was arguing last night about it, saying that he obviously orchestrated the whole thing. Why else tell Rodrigo, the most anal of people when it concerns rules? And now he said that he misses Freddie and that they should give the money to charity. I need a sickbag.
Yup. He knew Rod would kick off, tell the others, then a big row. ith Vash defending himself. A definite ploy for the martyr to play the victim.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by google
:thumbs:
MJBFan contradicted himself. He said Siavash wouldn't manipulate (even tho my post explains how he does it) ...

Then he says why shouldn't he fight against the bloc voters?

My initial post explains how he is fighting back. Via this gameplan, to win.

:rolleyes:

[santaa]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by SPIDERPIG!
What 100k :shrug:
The £100k that was taken off them the day after this all happened.
Ofcourse there will be a prize fund!

[Mindyfint]

This is how you spend your time? Woah thats sad
Your 'theories' wont make any difference to siavash's support.
:pat:

[setanta]

But the theory is very sound and in keeping with all that's transpired over the course of the last few weeks - his behaviour has been very consistent with regard to this martyr and victim act. I think it holds up. Haven't heard anyone repudiate it with facts of their own anyway. Just the usual well you love smelly Marcus or Siavash is lovely...yawnnnn

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by setanta
Haven't heard anyone repudiate it with facts of their own anyway.
This. Siavash fans still haven't provided an alternative, believable explanation, as to:

1) Why he didn't ask other HMs to nominate him, and thus 1 vs 1 with Marcus. Instead, TRYING to get a 3-way eviction, with David.

2) Why he told Rodrigo about his no nom thing, at the table, without needing to. Never Q'd, never prompt, just says it.

Tick Tock, they haven't provided alternative reasoning to what everyone else thinks. That he's playing the martyr and victim to gun for £100k. :thumbs:

[MJBFAN]

why shouldn't Siavash fight back?
He is in a vunerable position at the moment. He has a right to fight back and I applaud him.
Lisa charlie roddy david etc have a right to win.. why not Siavash??

Get a grip and stop moralising / oh by the way Ahmed I am a girl.

:cheer2:

[setanta]

Originally posted by MJBFAN
why shouldn't Siavash fight back?
He is in a vunerable position at the moment. He has a right to fight back and I applaud him.
Lisa charlie roddy david etc have a right to win.. why not Siavash??

Get a grip and stop moralising / oh by the way Ahmed I am a girl.

:cheer2:

Fighting back? This isn't fighting back... this is butchering the rules that they agreed to adhere to when they entered the house. He's been messing about with the system for weeks becuz he's always believed that his group had the support of the public. Easier for him to get away with it now cuz he's in a minority.

The three morons have been the architects in their own downfall here after they had the whole house at their mercy a few weeks ago. Wallys

[Vicky.]

There is no 100k...

:bigsmile:

[MJBFAN]

Setanta...
Lisa and Co butchered the rules when they block voted in a nafarious way.

Kris and Karly paid for Lisa 's schemes and Lisa is still there.
the block voting is still there and if you watch live feed Charlie even said that if they stuck with the same two they would be fine (Siavash and Marcus).
Why should Siavash be persecuted for trying to save himself under those circumstances?
:shrug:

[setanta]

Originally posted by MJBFAN
Setanta...
Lisa and Co butchered the rules when they block voted in a nafarious way.

Kris and Karly paid for Lisa 's schemes and Lisa is still there.
the block voting is still there and if you watch live feed Charlie even said that if they stuck with the same two they would be fine (Siavash and Marcus).
Why should Siavash be persecuted for trying to save himself under those circumstances?
:shrug:

I agree that the block voting was a pain but they'd split it wide open and then decided to act like a bunch of prats. It was really juvenile behaviour. Hira going after their stupidity was the turning point of the whole show and saw their group collapse.

I'm in agreement about the block voting.... it's absolutely horrendous and Big Brother have to fix it, but once Lisa's position had destabalised you could see that voting patterns were changing. Rodrigo and Sophie were defo using their own minds as well as Charlie on occassion. Why oh why did Siavash, Freddie and Marcus just abandon all logic?

[JTM45]

'AhmedFan'!!!

If you spent as much time bigging up your favourite instead of slagging-off everyone else's they might actually stand a chance of winning!

Oh.....but then LISA is your favourite so maybe not.:pat:

[sl3ptsolong]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
This gameplan is cunning, many people will not see this. A shame, as he is cleverly fooling the public AND HMs. He had a dual gameplan; Martyr + Victim. This, approaching final week, to push for £100k. Bare in mind, eviction this week or finishing 4th/5th next week, is trivial; it's about going for £100k.

Part 1 - Martyr

The idea here, is that he makes himself look like a martyr and a brave hero for putting himself up for the public vote. This is congruent to his 'No Free Rides', 'Anti-Scheming', 'Put Myself Up' ethos that he's been vocalising.

Based on his calculations that himself and David were on 3 noms each (turned out Rod fooled him though):

=> He could easily nom David, hence David vs Marcus eviction, saving himself. BUT; this contradicts the described ethos above. It makes himself look schemy and cowardly.

=> He can nom David and put himself up in a LIKELY 3-way eviction. Perfect; he looks awesome for taking the plunge, but also knows that David will get evicted. So he looks great but stays in the house - Part 1 Complete - Martyr

Part 2 - Victim

This was the cleverest part of it all IMO. Many FMs, including Siavash fans, realised what he was doing in Part 1. Trying to boost his popularity/appeal whilst using David as a safety net. But in this part, he really plays it well.

At the table, in casual conversation, he decides to tell Rodrigo out of the blue - Without prompt or questioning - That he decided not to nominate. But why do this ehhh?Everyone knows Rod's temper and how he hates not nominating, rule tampering. Rod PREDICTABLY reacted, and told everyone ...

Part 2 Completed - Everyone gets angry at him, and he keeps his calm and trys to defend himself, saying 'But I only put myself up; it doesn't affect you, I'm doing David a favour too, it's now 3 of us. What's the problem?'.

So now he looks like a martyr, getting victimised by Rod and Co. So Part 2 Complete - Victim

END RESULT:

He risks himself being up for eviction, 3 way, or even 2 way (as it so happened!) but done this to bolster his popularity and look awesome - A great plan to push for the £100k.

Why risk this? As I said at the start, getting evicted now or finishing 4th/5th next week; similar. It's now time to gun £100k; Vash style.

Complete rubbish. So he knew how Rodrigo would react ? He's done it before and told everyone and hasent ever come up against such a harsh reaction as last night.

Gameplan Cracked. :thumbs:


Complete rubbish. So he knew how Rodrigo would react ? He's done it before and told everyone and hasent ever come up against such a harsh reaction from the housemates. I mean what really is the problem. He technically voted Charlie and Sophie.

[Akerbie]

Originally posted by MJBFAN
Read it Ahmed fan, just as I read it on DS.
Don't agree with you.
Siavash maybe many things but he is not being manipulative for the sake of it.

He is trying to beat the block voters in his own way and why shouldn't he?

Yes there has been block voting and he is fighting back. who wouldn't?

Yes! That's exactly how I saw it. But he obvoiusly couldn't tell that to the housemates could he, or it would definitely backfire, even though it has done anyway.

Why did Rodrigo nominate Siavash? He nominated David last week.

[Akerbie]

What if Siavsh did nominate, but nominated Charlie & Sophie legit. Would it have made a difference?

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by sl3ptsolong
Complete rubbish. So he knew how Rodrigo would react ?
Yes, because Rodrigo and the others were under the pretense that Siavash was gonna nominate.

He's done it before and told everyone and hasent ever come up against such a harsh reaction from the housemates. I mean what really is the problem. He technically voted Charlie and Sophie.
But this time he said he'd nominate, and BB purposefully put up that rule to ensure they did.

He didn't go in there, vote Charlie and Sophie, and give reasons, to save face and look good in the public eye.

See: "Martyr" - Part One of his plans.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Akerbie
What if Siavsh did nominate, but nominated Charlie & Sophie legit. Would it have made a difference?
Yes. He wouldn't look like a martyr then. He needed to explain everything, pretend he didn't want a free-ride, how he was so brave, etc. He even gave the monologue in the DR about it.

That was Part 1 of his operation.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MJBFAN
Setanta...
Lisa and Co butchered the rules when they block voted in a nafarious way.

Kris and Karly paid for Lisa 's schemes and Lisa is still there.
the block voting is still there and if you watch live feed Charlie even said that if they stuck with the same two they would be fine (Siavash and Marcus).
Why should Siavash be persecuted for trying to save himself under those circumstances?
:shrug:
So why didn't he nominate David, and by his calculations ensure a David vs Marcus eviction? Then David would go.

That would be defeating the bloc vote. You say his whole agenda is to defeat the bloc vote. Well he could have easily done it by nominating one of their team, game over.

But no, he has to include himself, and look good for the cameras. So it's not just about defeating the bloc vote.

He could have done that solely by nomming David. But didn't. Because then he wouldn't look good; his 'No Free Rides', 'Anti Tactical-Voting', 'Put Me Up' Spiel down the drain. :rolleyes:

His image, well his fake image to look like a martyr, comes first.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by setanta
Old news baby but sure they wont see it this way when everything points to it.
Part 2 is not old news - He purposefully told volatile Rodrigo at the table about not nominating, to cause a reaction and ensure they got angry at him.

To play the victim.

Martyr + Victim = £100k in his sights. :spin2:

so somehow,rodrigo is not responcible for his own actions?siavash made him react like that?lmao wow...

he was bound to find out anyway yeah?so he felt bad for not telling him and told him early,he articulated why the best he could before the hissyfit kicked in,your seriosly misguided if you think siavash orchestrated the whole heated discussion in order to rile up rodrigo/charlie..

so siavash playing the victim = fail

rodrigo/charlie playing the hypocrites ftw.. and why?neither had a word for marcus when he didnt nominate,nor did they have take issue with sophie last week..

but yeah..siavash...matyr...sure thing

[setanta]

He is playing the victim tinted. Did you not see him in the diary room after the chaos, with a big grin on his face, loving the distinction he'd made between himself and that band of accusers? He wasn't sure what wouldn't happen with regard to Rodrigo, but it would take a rocket scientist to realise that an extreme reaction may take place, especially since Siavash had told him that he would adhere to the rules and vote.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
so somehow,rodrigo is not responcible for his own actions?siavash made him react like that?lmao wow...
Everyone knows he was gonna react like that. 90% of this forum slate Charlie for goading Rod into reacting. They hardly ever say, "Well Rod should ...".

he was bound to find out anyway yeah?so he felt bad for not telling him and told him early,he articulated why the best he could before the hissyfit kicked in,your seriosly misguided if you think siavash orchestrated the whole heated discussion in order to rile up rodrigo/charlie..
Why not? If he waited, he could be gone by Friday. Why wait?

so siavash playing the victim = fail
Not at all, it's perfectly possible. The argument is logical and plausible.

rodrigo/charlie playing the hypocrites ftw.. and why?neither had a word for marcus when he didnt nominate,nor did they have take issue with sophie last week..
Probs because they didn't think they were doing it for sneaky reasons. And that was BEFORE this new rule was brought in by BB. Siavash still went ahead though ...

but yeah..siavash...matyr...sure thing
Well I'm glad we have some agreement. He's not all dandelions and roses. :spin2:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by setanta
He is playing the victim tinted. Did you not see him in the diary room after the chaos, with a big grin on his face, loving the distinction he'd made between himself and that band of accusers? He wasn't sure what would happen with regard to Rodrigo, but it would take a rocket scientist to realise that an extreme reaction may take place, especially since Siavash had told him that he would adhere to the rules and vote.
Making it very clear how they were 'shouting and not letting him speak'. Ohhhh poor thing. And then trivialising the situation, saying "They didn't care this time, they didn't care that time, but now suddenly this time ..."

Well yes, that's because you took it a step too far, and they clocked onto the pre final-week shennanigans you've been cooking up. Wooop. :rolleyes:

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by MJBFAN
why shouldn't Siavash fight back?
He is in a vunerable position at the moment. He has a right to fight back and I applaud him.
Lisa charlie roddy david etc have a right to win.. why not Siavash??

Get a grip and stop moralising / oh by the way Ahmed I am a girl.

:cheer2:

Fighting back? This isn't fighting back... this is butchering the rules that they agreed to adhere to when they entered the house. He's been messing about with the system for weeks becuz he's always believed that his group had the support of the public. Easier for him to get away with it now cuz he's in a minority.

The three morons have been the architects in their own downfall here after they had the whole house at their mercy a few weeks ago. Wallys

this "butchering" of the rules of which you speak,happens every series,rules are sometimes bent/broken..you never broken a rule?

im sure in the rules it says not to bully/target housemates,vandalise and what not..

i could give you a handful who have done far worst than choose not to nominate... so he did not butcher the rules,he chose with a clear sound mind that he wanted to be up,so if he goes/stays,it will be by the choice of the public and not because he was hiding..

had he nominated someone he didnt think he would be up (he is not privy to the highlights show as we are where we see who noms who)

had he asked to be nominated,his reckoning was they would only dismiss him and further use the arguement "oh your always thinking about the game"

so he chose not to nominate..why rely on others?you want something done,you do it yourself,and he did..

F.Y.I had he asked to be nominated,you ahmedfan and other overly analytical members would be saying "oh my ****ing god,that siavash is a major game player,why ask to be nominated?either he'll get voted or he wont,thats not his decision urgh how unfair of him to ask that of the housemates,hes just trying to play the hero so he gains favour with the public"

so he would be seen as a "matyr" or some sort of devios game player no matter what action he took..

[HalfwitFTW]

There is no point talking to Ahmedfan and setanta
Both are annoying trolls
I think they are the same person, in fact

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
There is no point talking to Ahmedfan and setanta
Both are annoying trolls
I think they are the same person, in fact
You don't like the initial post because it exposes him and has no real flaws. Like you said, you didn't even want to read it. Well don't then. :spin2:

Funny, Halfwit was exposed and shown up by Charlie, and left on Friday. Will the same happen to Siavash, I wonder? :thumbs:

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
There is no point talking to Ahmedfan and setanta
Both are annoying trolls
I think they are the same person, in fact

They are definitely not the same person hun.

And to be fair, neither of them are trolls either.

[setanta]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
Originally posted by setanta
Originally posted by MJBFAN
why shouldn't Siavash fight back?
He is in a vunerable position at the moment. He has a right to fight back and I applaud him.
Lisa charlie roddy david etc have a right to win.. why not Siavash??

Get a grip and stop moralising / oh by the way Ahmed I am a girl.

:cheer2:

Fighting back? This isn't fighting back... this is butchering the rules that they agreed to adhere to when they entered the house. He's been messing about with the system for weeks becuz he's always believed that his group had the support of the public. Easier for him to get away with it now cuz he's in a minority.

The three morons have been the architects in their own downfall here after they had the whole house at their mercy a few weeks ago. Wallys

this "butchering" of the rules of which you speak,happens every series,rules are sometimes bent/broken..you never broken a rule?

im sure in the rules it says not to bully/target housemates,vandalise and what not..

i could give you a handful who have done far worst than choose not to nominate... so he did not butcher the rules,he chose with a clear sound mind that he wanted to be up,so if he goes/stays,it will be by the choice of the public and not because he was hiding..

had he nominated someone he didnt think he would be up (he is not privy to the highlights show as we are where we see who noms who)

had he asked to be nominated,his reckoning was they would only dismiss him and further use the arguement "oh your always thinking about the game"

so he chose not to nominate..why rely on others?you want something done,you do it yourself,and he did..

F.Y.I had he asked to be nominated,you ahmedfan and other overly analytical members would be saying "oh my ****ing god,that siavash is a major game player,why ask to be nominated?either he'll get voted or he wont,thats not his decision urgh how unfair of him to ask that of the housemates,hes just trying to play the hero so he gains favour with the public"


so he would be seen as a "matyr" or some sort of devios game player no matter what action he took..

This is not a compare and contrast debate Tinted. I'm merely trying to suggest that Siavash's performance over the last week or so is in keeping with what he's been doing for the last three weeks. I'm not trying to vilify him and elevate everyone else; I'm saying that he's very aware of what he's doing right now and is not the caring, loveable, humble soul that his followers would have you believe. That's all.

And he's always thinking of the game, particularly at this crucial moment, because to stray away from his behaviour pattern of the last few weeks could have a devastating effect on his chances. Everything he does right now is deliberated on. That's what I'm trying to say here but it's falling on deaf ears. It's not a witch-hunt- just sick of the oh Siavash is lovely and doesn't care about the game nonsense.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

They are definitely not the same person hun.

And to be fair, neither of them are trolls either.
Thank you Kitty. You are a good poster. :spin2:

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
There is no point talking to Ahmedfan and setanta
Both are annoying trolls
I think they are the same person, in fact
You don't like the initial post because it exposes him and has no real flaws. Like you said, you didn't even want to read it. Well don't then. :spin2:

Funny, Halfwit was exposed and shown up by Charlie, and left on Friday. Will the same happen to Siavash, I wonder? :thumbs:

No I didnt read your initial post because Ive heard it all before and bit sick of hearing it now tbh

And two thirds of what you say is usually rubbish. Occasionally you say some intelligent stuff which I agree with, like the points you made about the Sree racism thing, but most of the time you just chat $hit

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
There is no point talking to Ahmedfan and setanta
Both are annoying trolls
I think they are the same person, in fact

They are definitely not the same person hun.

And to be fair, neither of them are trolls either.

I know they are not, just saying it to wind them up cos they have both been annoying me today

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
And two thirds of what you say is usually rubbish. Occasionally you say some intelligent stuff which I agree with, like the points you made about the Sree racism thing, but most of the time you just chat $hit
There's a reason he put himself up in an attempted 3-way with David, and why he told volatile Rod about not nomming, when they were drunk.

That's all I'm saying. Think about it. :thumbs:

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by setanta
He is playing the victim tinted. Did you not see him in the diary room after the chaos, with a big grin on his face, loving the distinction he'd made between himself and that band of accusers? He wasn't sure what wouldn't happen with regard to Rodrigo, but it would take a rocket scientist to realise that an extreme reaction may take place, especially since Siavash had told him that he would adhere to the rules and vote.

im afraid once again we may have to disagree brother,you see a guy grinning in the diary room as if he was over joyed by rodrigo/charlies reaction,i see a guy whos just had a fairly stressful evening and attemted to laugh it off..infact it wasnt so much of a laugh,as a grin as if to say "damn wtf just happened" ..

now ill answer both you and ahmedfan in one post if thats okay as he really is dragging it out..

while we all know rodrigo has a short fuse,that is no reason to pussy foot around a guy,when a guy abuses his wife do we say its the womans fault for making him react?fairly extreme analogy but i hope you get my point..

charlie goading rodney is diffrent to what siavash did last night.. when charlie has had occasions in the past where they have bumped heads,they have each agreed they will not make the same mistake again,so if charlie tomorrow took a squirt on rodrigo that would be seen as goading,not charlie not nominating and telling rodrigo just so he's in the know as to what is going on..

i now starting to wonder if ahmedfan is attempting to be pedantic and arguementative.. setanta has a few points which make sense,so i will reply to him in future.. you on the otherhand ahmedfan seem content in riling others,patronising and generally being a nuisance..

now in reference to your post ahmedfan.. obviosly its possible for siavash to be playing the victim,that is not to say that is what he did..he made a decision which he has every right to make,if others take issue with it thats fine,but chastising him the way they did is where they went wrong..

[Patrick]

I just hope the Public are clever enough to see this and keep Marcus in!

Its not fair that someone who has been entertaining the entire way might have to go at this point over someone like Siavash!

[setanta]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
Originally posted by setanta
He is playing the victim tinted. Did you not see him in the diary room after the chaos, with a big grin on his face, loving the distinction he'd made between himself and that band of accusers? He wasn't sure what wouldn't happen with regard to Rodrigo, but it would take a rocket scientist to realise that an extreme reaction may take place, especially since Siavash had told him that he would adhere to the rules and vote.

im afraid once again we may have to disagree brother,you see a guy grinning in the diary room as if he was over joyed by rodrigo/charlies reaction,i see a guy whos just had a fairly stressful evening and attemted to laugh it off..infact it wasnt so much of a laugh,as a grin as if to say "damn wtf just happened" ..

now ill answer both you and ahmedfan in one post if thats okay as he really is dragging it out..

while we all know rodrigo has a short fuse,that is no reason to pussy foot around a guy,when a guy abuses his wife do we say its the womans fault for making him react?fairly extreme analogy but i hope you get my point..

charlie goading rodney is diffrent to what siavash did last night.. when charlie has had occasions in the past where they have bumped heads,they have each agreed they will not make the same mistake again,so if charlie tomorrow took a squirt on rodrigo that would be seen as goading,not charlie not nominating and telling rodrigo just so he's in the know as to what is going on..

i now starting to wonder if ahmedfan is attempting to be pedantic and arguementative.. setanta has a few points which make sense,so i will reply to him in future.. you on the otherhand ahmedfan seem content in riling others,patronising and generally being a nuisance..

now in reference to your post ahmedfan.. obviosly its possible for siavash to be playing the victim,that is not to say that is what he did..he made a decision which he has every right to make,if others take issue with it thats fine,but to chastising him the way they did is where they went wrong..

But tinted, he even suggested the divide in the house and said he was happy to be there.... so be it kinda thing. There was no sadness evident in his demeanour.

And your analogy really doesn't suit this discussion as there's no frame of reference in it. Siavash does understand what's behind Rodrigo's misgivings in the house and I can't come up with any other reason behind his motivation for opening up to him.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Pmccaff2009
I just hope the Public are clever enough to see this and keep Marcus in!

Its not fair that someone who has been entertaining the entire way might have to go at this point over someone like Siavash!
Maybe all the chavs and general public will evict Siavash because he angered Charlie and riled him up.

Interesting how Charlie brought up the 'GF Cheating' and 'Backstabbing Marcus' issue in the discussion; very good move.

Hopefully the chavs, general public, masses of charlie fans and whatnot will be dialling to evict Vash moreso than Marcus.

I sense that this somewhat happened with Fred too - After he riled Charlie up, and was blatantly exposed, then.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
And two thirds of what you say is usually rubbish. Occasionally you say some intelligent stuff which I agree with, like the points you made about the Sree racism thing, but most of the time you just chat $hit
There's a reason he put himself up in an attempted 3-way with David, and why he told volatile Rod about not nomming, when they were drunk.

That's all I'm saying. Think about it. :thumbs:
apologees for butting in on this "halfwitftw" but i just need to make a point before i go nuts..

king,he did not put himself in a 3way,in the diary room he went through every possible scenario which i agree was a little tedious,before guessing if he voted david then david would be up with marcus,and since siavash wanted to be up he decided while it may be risky to pit himself up against marcus and perhaps david,he was not going to nom david and just take things as they come..

i apreciate that you have a diffrent take on things,but some things are just to plain for even you to miss king

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
king,he did not put himself in a 3way,in the diary room he went through every possible scenario which i agree was a little tedious,before guessing if he voted david then david would be up with marcus,and since siavash wanted to be up he decided while it may be risky to pit himself up against marcus and perhaps david,he was not going to nom david and just take things as they come..
He was attempting to, and expecting, a 3-way. Quotes from DR:

1)"If I nominate David, I will definitely not go up this week. It will be David and Marcus. If I nominate David, it is likely that it's me, Marcus and David ... Or, just me and Marcus. Do you take a risk of going against Marcus on your own, which means I will probably go home. Or do I let it just be David and Marcus. No free rides Biggie ..."

2)"Marcus has like 4/5 votes, David has 3 votes probably, and I have 3 votes. So it'll be me, David and Marcus."

[b]= Orchestrated and expected 3-way with David, slight risk of 2-way with Marcus.

:wink:

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by setanta
But tinted, he even suggested the divide in the house and said he was happy to be there.... so be it kinda thing. There was no sadness evident in his deamour.

And your analogy really doesn't suit this discussion as there's no frame of reference in it. Siavash does understand what's behind Rodrigo's misgivings in the house and I can't come up with any other reason behind his motivation for opening up to him.

personally,i see siavash not wanting the devide and what he said was he was standing by what he believed as appose to backing down just because some felt the need to argue,as if he has no rights to choose whether he nominates or not?

agreed siavash knows to a point what rodrigo might be like,but he wasnt looking to antagonise,infact it seemed he was informing rodrigo while it was just the three of them,and only because he felt bad that rodrigo wasnt aware that siavash had not nominated.. that was the best possible way for him to tell rodrigo,any other way would have been far more detremental to the house..

i can see why some think he was attention whoring himself or perhaps trying to act up,however its all about favouritism,sophie and marcus never got called out for not nominating,nor should siavash,theres no reason why sophie got off scot free after not nominating but siavash gets in the neck,they had the exact same reasoning..

so had charlie piped up with marcus not nominating,or sophie not nominating then i would see more of a point to what was being said..this hasnt been the case though,which is why siavash being singled out last night was in pretty bad taste..

[setanta]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
Originally posted by setanta
But tinted, he even suggested the divide in the house and said he was happy to be there.... so be it kinda thing. There was no sadness evident in his deamour.

And your analogy really doesn't suit this discussion as there's no frame of reference in it. Siavash does understand what's behind Rodrigo's misgivings in the house and I can't come up with any other reason behind his motivation for opening up to him.

personally,i see siavash not wanting the devide and what he said was he was standing by what he believed as appose to backing down just because some felt the need to argue,as if he has no rights to choose whether he nominates or not?

agreed siavash knows to a point what rodrigo might be like,but he wasnt looking to antagonise,infact it seemed he was informing rodrigo while it was just the three of them,and only because he felt bad that rodrigo wasnt aware that siavash had not nominated.. that was the best possible way for him to tell rodrigo,any other way would have been far more detremental to the house..

i can see why some think he was attention whoring himself or perhaps trying to act up,however its all about favouritism,sophie and marcus never got called out for not nominating,nor should siavash,theres no reason why sophie got off scot free after not nominating but siavash gets in the neck,they had the exact same reasoning..

so had charlie piped up with marcus not nominating,or sophie not nominating then i would see more of a point to what was being said..this hasnt been the case though,which is why siavash being singled out last night was in pretty bad taste..

You're doing it again Tinted... comparing him to others when I'm just concentrating on his actions right now. I have no love for any of the rest of the housemates - don't think that for one second - but everything we've said has some relevance when you consider the course of action Siavash has deliberately taken over the last few weeks. This last few days is entirely in keeping with his character and suggests a guy who is genuinely interested, no obsessed with winning, just like the rest of them. That's my issue.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by tintedshadow
king,he did not put himself in a 3way,in the diary room he went through every possible scenario which i agree was a little tedious,before guessing if he voted david then david would be up with marcus,and since siavash wanted to be up he decided while it may be risky to pit himself up against marcus and perhaps david,he was not going to nom david and just take things as they come..
He was attempting to, and expecting, a 3-way. Quotes from DR:

1)"If I nominate David, I will definitely not go up this week. It will be David and Marcus. If I nominate David, it is likely that it's me, Marcus and David ... Or, just me and Marcus. Do you take a risk of going against Marcus on your own, which means I will probably go home. Or do I let it just be David and Marcus. No free rides Biggie ..."

2)"Marcus has like 4/5 votes, David has 3 votes probably, and I have 3 votes. So it'll be me, David and Marcus."

= Orchestrated and expected 3-way with David, slight risk of 2-way with Marcus.

:wink:

didnt i explain this to you in a previos thread?david was up against bea right?so we know that he got most votes?so now bea's gone,it was more likely that david would go up,so if siavash nominated david then david would go up not siavash,so by your logic,if he was attemting a three way he would nominate david..

now let me make this clear for you..in the past,freddie and others enjoy going up for eviction,because its interesting to see if they stay or not,marcus had wanted to be up for much the same reason,sophie didnt nominate last week cause she wants to know if she was up,would she go,they all want to know that..
[b]
so siavash wanted to be up,not to be a matyr,not to play the victim with charigo,but so had he stayed atleast he could rest easy knowing he was there on the publics say so,and if he goes,again he knows where he stands with the public..this is his reason for his non nomination..nothing more..nothing less..

[AhmedFan2004]

Tinted Shadow:

The quotes are there, plain and simple, as seen in the HL show too - Very Blatant.

Everyone knows what Rodrigo is like, his reaction is a GIVEN.

Add it up. Martyr + Victim = Very convenient

Other explanations and ways around this, are wish-washy and rather contrived. Lots of nice guy theories, nothing solid and sensible.

Especially ONE WEEK before the final. End game for the £100k ... surely. :rolleyes:

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
And two thirds of what you say is usually rubbish. Occasionally you say some intelligent stuff which I agree with, like the points you made about the Sree racism thing, but most of the time you just chat $hit
There's a reason he put himself up in an attempted 3-way with David, and why he told volatile Rod about not nomming, when they were drunk.

That's all I'm saying. Think about it. :thumbs:


This is word for word what Siavash said and explains his reasoning:

'If I nominate David, I will definitely not go up this week. It will be David and Marcus. If I do not nominate David, its likely that its going to be me, Marcus and David OR its me and just Marcus. Do you take a risk of going against Marcus, on your own, which probably means I'll go home. Or do I just let it be David and Marcus? No free rides in this life. It has to be earned. Im not going to that final week without earning my place. No way jose. I'm not nominating'

He knew there would be every risk of him going up in a 2 way eviction with Marcus, but still put himself up.
Dont know why you are finding that so difficult to understand?

As for telling Rodrigo, big deal. So hes not allowed to have a conversation with Rodrigo anymore? :rolleyes:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
He knew there would be every risk of him going up in a 2 way eviction with Marcus, but still put himself up.
Dont know why you are finding that so difficult to understand?
I agree, a risk. But still secondary to his expectation of a 3-way eviction. Like he said, probably 3 noms for David, 3 for himself. That's the idea.

See Quote 2.)"Marcus has like 4/5 votes, David has 3 votes probably, and I have 3 votes. So it'll be me, David and Marcus."

As for telling Rodrigo, big deal. So hes not allowed to have a conversation with Rodrigo anymore? :rolleyes:
He is, but I'm allowed to propose the idea that he did it to get Rod angry and then ensure a row, with Siavash defending himself = Victim.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by setanta

You're doing it again Tinted... comparing him to others when I'm just concentrating on his actions right now. I have no love for any of the rest of the housemates - don't think that for one second - but everything we've said has some relevance when you consider the course of action Siavash has deliberately taken over the last few weeks. This last few days is entirely in keeping with his character and suggests a guy who is genuinely interested, no obsessed with winning, just like the rest of them. That's my issue.

alright brother,for this one time,i will not mention noone else..

your issue is that siavash is genuinly interested with winning,like the rest?then thats hardly an issue as he never said he wasnt,he simply wants to be in the final by public vote and not by lurking in the shadows..

i agree,siavash does think about the game a fair bit,more so then others,however it has been said by those who have left in the past,being in that house where there isnt much to do,your left to your own devices hence the back biting/game playing.. now while siavash may talk about the game,that is not to say this was his reason behind not nominating..

he decided not to,after he had thought through perhaps if he nominated,he would not be up,and david would (since he didnt really know he was up anyway).. so by his logic,while perhaps a little flawed,he figured he would be up if he didnt nominate david (which is how things are at the moment)

so there really is no issue..he wanted to be up,so whether he stays or goes,its in the publics hands...

[setanta]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
And two thirds of what you say is usually rubbish. Occasionally you say some intelligent stuff which I agree with, like the points you made about the Sree racism thing, but most of the time you just chat $hit
There's a reason he put himself up in an attempted 3-way with David, and why he told volatile Rod about not nomming, when they were drunk.

That's all I'm saying. Think about it. :thumbs:


This is word for word what Siavash said and explains his reasoning:

'If I nominate David, I will definitely not go up this week. It will be David and Marcus. If I do not nominate David, its likely that its going to be me, Marcus and David OR its me and just Marcus. Do you take a risk of going against Marcus, on your own, which probably means I'll go home. Or do I just let it be David and Marcus? No free rides in this life. It has to be earned. Im not going to that final week without earning my place. No way jose. I'm not nominating'

He knew there would be every risk of him going up in a 2 way eviction with Marcus, but still put himself up.
Dont know why you are finding that so difficult to understand?

As for telling Rodrigo, big deal. So hes not allowed to have a conversation with Rodrigo anymore? :rolleyes:

But if he nominates he breaks the pattern that he's been so intent on laying out for last few weeks. Going now and going later is really irrelevent to him unless the later is him leaving last, as winner. To do this he has to continue the selfless martyr act. Can't you see it?

[AhmedFan2004]

Exactly; he can't brake the 'No Free Rides', 'Put myself up', 'Anti Scheming' ethos; so he has to actively try and put himself up, again.

It makes no difference if he gets evicted this week, or doesn't finish 1st next week. So it's worthwhile to execute this plan and gun for 1st place.

It's time to gun for the £100k prize, take the risk, and play the martyr + victim combo; it's a clever strategy, and he's thought about it for days!

If it works, he stays, and is a good contender to win. He's not messing now. :whistle:

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Tinted Shadow:

The quotes are there, plain and simple, as seen in the HL show too - Very Blatant.

Everyone knows what Rodrigo is like, his reaction is a GIVEN.

Add it up. Martyr + Victim = Very convenient

Other explanations and ways around this, are wish-washy and rather contrived. Lots of nice guy theories, nothing solid and sensible.

Especially ONE WEEK before the final. End game for the £100k ... surely. :rolleyes:

what you consider nice guy theories are nothing more than me seeing things objectively and perhaps not over analysing a sitution which really needs no analasis what so ever..

but heres where it gets messy,by your own quotes siavash said "david has 3,i may have 3 and marcus may have 3" so if he nominated david then david would go up against marcus,NOT siavash.. why is this not plausible enough for you?

furthermore i care not about rodrigos temperament,by that logic if someone has something to say to rodrigo they should beware of his wrath?are you nuts?siavash told him what he would have found out from some where else,and then he would have been much worst,so he told him at the table..

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
but heres where it gets messy,by your own quotes siavash said "david has 3,i may have 3 and marcus may have 3" so if he nominated david then david would go up against marcus,NOT siavash.. why is this not plausible enough for you?
Yes, if he nommed David, he'd expect David vs Marcus. What's your point? Everybody knows this ... clearly he avoided nomming David to put himself up, or try to. This is common info. :rolleyes:

furthermore i care not about rodrigos temperament,by that logic if someone has something to say to rodrigo they should beware of his wrath?are you nuts?siavash told him what he would have found out from some where else,and then he would have been much worst,so he told him at the table..
You don't care, but if Siavash has a plan as my initial post outlines, then he WOULD care. It's clearly easy bait to get a big row going, then play victim.

Infact, Siavash even went into the garden and re-ignited the argument again; all of them vs Siavash. Then in the DR, labouring on about them not letting him speak, shouting, etc. He was very aware of the 1 vs Many dynamic. :thumbs:

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
he has to actively try and put himself up, again.


that is all he did,it seems you have put way more thught in to it,more so then even siavash..

he actively tried to put himself up,and he has.. so thats that.. and why?to play the matyr?nope,so IF he is in the final,he is there because the public want him there,as i have said previosly,they have all wanted to know how they are percieved,when they all went up they wanted it that way so whoever went meant they werent as hated as they thought..

siavash wants to know,if he is wanted in that house..nothing more.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
he actively tried to put himself up,and he has.. so thats that.. and why?to play the matyr?nope,so IF he is in the final,he is there because the public want him there,as i have said previosly,they have all wanted to know how they are percieved,when they all went up they wanted it that way so whoever went meant they werent as hated as they thought..

siavash wants to know,if he is wanted in that house..nothing more.
Dude we're going round in circles again. He did it in a way to gun for a 3-way eviction; play the martyr, but David evicted.

He didn't ask the HMs to put him up against Marcus; he didn't want a 2-way eviction. He was expecting a comfy 3-way eviction:

Quote 2: "Marcus has like 4/5 votes, David has 3 votes probably, and I have 3 votes. So it'll be me, David and Marcus."

That's why I don't accept these 'alternative' theories; they are BS. See the above quote. :sleep:

[setanta]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by tintedshadow
he actively tried to put himself up,and he has.. so thats that.. and why?to play the matyr?nope,so IF he is in the final,he is there because the public want him there,as i have said previosly,they have all wanted to know how they are percieved,when they all went up they wanted it that way so whoever went meant they werent as hated as they thought..

siavash wants to know,if he is wanted in that house..nothing more.
Dude we're going round in circles again. He did it in a way to gun for a 3-way eviction; play the martyr, but David evicted.

He didn't ask the HMs to put him up against Marcus; he didn't want a 2-way eviction. He was expecting a comfy 3-way eviction:

Quote 2: "Marcus has like 4/5 votes, David has 3 votes probably, and I have 3 votes. So it'll be me, David and Marcus."

That's why I don't accept these 'alternative' theories; they are BS. See the above quote. :sleep:

It's all academic anyway lads. He just wants to maintain his strategy of avoiding nominating. It's make or break time now as there's not long left and he can't alter his gameplan at this late stage.... so obvious. Instead he'll cause a scene, play the victim, mention Freddie and tell them to give the money all to charity. Dear lord, can't you see the pattern here? He's been doin gthis for weeks.... you just accept it now cuz he's on his own but in reality he's been playing and waffling the whoel way through.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

Yes, if he nommed David, he'd expect David vs Marcus. What's your point? Everybody knows this ... clearly he avoided nomming David to put himself up, or try to. This is common info. :rolleyes:


your missing it,so IF he nommed david it would be marcus and david,he didnt want that,so thats why he didnt nominate..nothing more..


You don't care, but if Siavash has a plan as my initial post outlines, then he WOULD care. It's clearly easy bait to get a big row going, then play victim.

Infact, Siavash even went into the garden and re-ignited the argument again; all of them vs Siavash. Then in the DR, labouring on about them not letting him speak, shouting, etc. He was very aware of the 1 vs Many dynamic. :thumbs:
lmao oh my... brother,rodrigo was going to find out at some point,so by siavash telling him earlier he figured there would be less need for an arguement..

as for siavash "re-igniting" the arguement,he saw charlie outside still back biting with the others,so he jumped outside to speak to him,why is this a problem?you feel everyone can have a say but siavash?re-igniting would be waiting till every one is tucked up in bed,no one saying a word,and then siavash saying "yeah so i didnt nominate,everyone kool with that" .. if you saw charlie outside still going on,perhaps you wouldnt go face things head on,i would..

anyways im off..gotta close my fast..

gone

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by tintedshadow
your missing it,so IF he nommed david it would be marcus and david,he didnt want that,so thats why he didnt nominate..nothing more..
Yes I know. Everybody knows. He wanted to be up. You're mis-reading me BADLY. :rolleyes:

lmao oh my... brother,rodrigo was going to find out at some point,so by siavash telling him earlier he figured there would be less need for an arguement..
Yes, but what use is telling him later in the week? Better on Monday, people then see him as a victim and vote accordingly.

as for siavash "re-igniting" the arguement,he saw charlie outside still back biting with the others,so he jumped outside to speak to him,why is this a problem?
Because he wanted to exploit the 1 vs Mant scenario, to play victim.

you feel everyone can have a say but siavash?re-igniting would be waiting till every one is tucked up in bed,no one saying a word,and then siavash saying "yeah so i didnt nominate,everyone cool with that" .. if you saw charlie outside still going on,perhaps you wouldnt go face things head on,i would..
That would be fine if he didn't plan it, and just went outside to fight his corner honourably. But IMO, based on my initial post, he wanted them to kick off, and watched them do so. Then milked it a 2nd time in the garden.

And he actually jokingly mentioned noms again in tonight's HLs ...

Is that a flicker that he knows noms talk sets them off against him? He seemed aware of that. Easy ploy to play victim. Maybe he's not so innocent and casual as you WANT to believe. :thumbs:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by setanta
Instead he'll cause a scene, play the victim, mention Freddie and tell them to give the money all to charity. Dear lord, can't you see the pattern here? He's been doin gthis for weeks.... you just accept it now cuz he's on his own but in reality he's been playing and waffling the whoel way through.
Definitely, his end game is kicking into full gear. More not nominating BS, the martyr act, the victim role play and gunning for £100k sneakily.

He even jokingly teased in tonight's HLs ''So let's discuss noms again :spin: ?''. This shows he knows they'd kick up a fuss if he was serious. So he's aware a victim situation would arise; Many vs One, with him heroicly defending himself like last time. :whistle:

[farhad]

Originally posted by Pmccaff2009
I just hope the Public are clever enough to see this and keep Marcus in!

Its not fair that someone who has been entertaining the entire way might have to go at this point over someone like Siavash!

You find someone who effs and blinds better than someone who plays thinkings man game? If these points are real what the OP is saying nd if vash does succeed, thn he has surpassed nasty nick as the expert mastermind calculating gameplay.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by farhad

You find someone who effs and blinds better than someone who plays thinkings man game? If these points are real what the OP is saying nd if vash does succeed, thn he has surpassed nasty nick as the expert mastermind calculating gameplay.
Well, it's not all that complicated, especially when you consider he's been thinking about this for over a week! Lots of deep thought. :thumbs:

Basically, just make himself look good by playing the martyr but hopefully not get evicted (David the safety net), then make them kick off (Victim).

Bare in mind, he botched it up in the end, because they clocked on he was doing it to be 'Mr Nice Guy'. And David was never close to being up in the end. So it was only an attempted scheme! :spin2:

[AhmedFan2004]

LOL, this was omitted from the HLs show, VERY VERY bizarre of BB - NOMINATIONS ANNOUNCEMENT!

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/video/52b4b2cab61645a4b3beb436c28658dd/play.c4

Siavash's schemes didn't work ... hehehehe! :spin:

[AhmedFan2004]

***** ATTENTION EVERYONE WHO WANTS SIAVASH OUT! *****


It is possible, esp in a 24 hour vote, that Lisa and Charlie votes SPLIT, leaving Siavash vulnerable to be evicted.

Please ring to evict Siavash and get him out! :dance:

[MiuMiu]

Siavsh is the biggest fraud in there.
Apart from Charlie.
Get them both out!!!!!!!!!!!!!:dance: