Calling all CHARLIE FANS and HATERS!

[BBfan46]

Why do you hate Charlie so much? Why in the last 3 weeks has he been so criticized?
Why do you want him to win? or Why do you like him?

[The_Long_Run]

Charlie has been the most positive and supportive HM. He always tries to see the good in other HMs. He has been entertaining and good spirited and when there is an argument he is always the bridge builder. Even tonight he is tolerating Siavash with no outward show of ill-feeling in spite of Siavash's recent baseless attack on him.

I respect the views of the HMs who almost universally speak positively about him as a good HM and a cheery chappy.

[Akerbie]

He is a sweet talker! As Noirin says.... "Frenemies".. He's one of those!:spin2:

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Charlie has been the most positive and supportive HM. He always tries to see the good in other HMs. He has been entertaining and good spirited and when there is an argument he is always the bridge builder. Even tonight he is tolerating Siavash with no outward show of ill-feeling in spite of Siavash's recent baseless attack on him.

I respect the views of the HMs who almost universally speak positively about him as a good HM and a cheery chappy.

Finally! Someone who thinks the same as me! :thumbs::xyxwave:

[Vicky.]

He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

[kisywisy]

i don't think he's that bad to be honest. every hm likes him and that says a lot. they are living with him 24/7 so they have a better view of what he's like than anyone. people call him fake etc but you cannot keep up being fake for that long in a place like the bb house. he has his hissy fits and argues with other hm, but that's real life!!

i think it's pretty sad that every little thing he says or does makes him an aresole on here. i mean, there was even a thread about him biting his nails tonight ffs!! every face he pulls means he's fake. the hate is getting out of hand to be honest

[golden]

Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

And someone who thinks the same as me!!:thumbs::wink:

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'.

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by kisywisy
i don't think he's that bad to be honest. every hm likes him and that says a lot. they are living with him 24/7 so they have a better view of what he's like than anyone. people call him fake etc but you cannot keep up being fake for that long in a place like the bb house. he has his hissy fits and argues with other hm, but that's real life!!

i think it's pretty sad that every little thing he says or does makes him an aresole on here. i mean, there was even a thread about him biting his nails tonight ffs!! every face he pulls means he's fake. the hate is getting out of hand to be honest

I think you should be my best friend haha :dance:

[JTM45]

Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

I don't need to say a thing when VickyJ has already said everything that needs to be said, and said it so well too.:thumbs:

[BONNEIP]

Charlie should be home, visiting his sick mother who we've heard about at least 20+ times. He's a tittle tattle, who loves being the centre of attention.

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

if you look at the last few weeks, charlie has had much more hate on here than marcus

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'.

See, I think Charlie is an a**ehole and deserves negative posts.

The only reason you have a problem is because you like charlie. Everyone has opinions. Deal with it.

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

If I can't complain what gives you superior rights to complain about Marcus? I have opinions. DEAL WITH IT!

That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'.

See, I think Charlie is an a**ehole and deserves negative posts.

The only reason you have a problem is because you like charlie. Everyone has opinions. Deal with it.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

if you look at the last few weeks, charlie has had much more hate on here than marcus

Because marcus has gained fans recently, and charlie has lost them due to his recent behaviour.

Marcus has had by far the most negative posts throughout the show...maybe rivalled by noirin.

[Toshladuk]

So supportive he bitched about Siavash taking too long after the messages from home afraid he might steal his thunder after hearing about his sick mum, but that was probably lost after Bea's fake meltdown!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

If I can't complain what gives you superior rights to complain about Marcus? I have opinions. DEAL WITH IT!

That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'.

See, I think Charlie is an a**ehole and deserves negative posts.

The only reason you have a problem is because you like charlie. Everyone has opinions. Deal with it.

You messed up the quote and I cant be bothered to sort it out but Im guessing the bolded part is your latest comment.

But when did I ever complain about you making anti marcus posts? Or tell you your opinion was wrong? You asked why people didnt like charlie, I answered, yet you still have a problem. I only answered your question...dont ask if you cant take the answers.

[golden]

Originally posted by BONNEIP
Charlie should be home, visiting his sick mother who we've heard about at least 20+ times. He's a tittle tattle, who loves being the centre of attention.

I have to wonder if that's why the hms like him...is it mainly pity? He's been a bit nasty to a few hms lately..Siavash, David, Rodrigo (they made up, but still) and Marcus (behind his back).
Hms wouldn't tolerate this from anyone else which makes me think the try to go easy on him.

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

If I can't complain what gives you superior rights to complain about Marcus? I have opinions. DEAL WITH IT!

That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'.

See, I think Charlie is an a**ehole and deserves negative posts.

The only reason you have a problem is because you like charlie. Everyone has opinions. Deal with it.

You messed up the quote and I cant be bothered to sort it out but Im guessing the bolded part is your latest comment.

But when did I ever complain about you making anti marcus posts? You asked why people didnt like charlie, I answered, yet you still have a problem. I only answered your question...dont ask if you cant take the answers.

I was simply defending Charlie and you bought Marcus up? Anyway I'll have the last laugh when Marcus goes on Friday and Charlie wins a week later :cheer2:

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

If I can't complain what gives you superior rights to complain about Marcus? I have opinions. DEAL WITH IT!

That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'.

See, I think Charlie is an a**ehole and deserves negative posts.

The only reason you have a problem is because you like charlie. Everyone has opinions. Deal with it.

You messed up the quote and I cant be bothered to sort it out but Im guessing the bolded part is your latest comment.

But when did I ever complain about you making anti marcus posts? You asked why people didnt like charlie, I answered, yet you still have a problem. I only answered your question...dont ask if you cant take the answers.

I was simply defending Charlie and you bought Marcus up? Anyway I'll have the last laugh when Marcus goes on Friday and Charlie wins a week later :cheer2:


Have the last laugh...I will also as I want marcus to go. You have got me totally wrong.

I was just using marcus as an example :wink:

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

If I can't complain what gives you superior rights to complain about Marcus? I have opinions. DEAL WITH IT!

That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'.

See, I think Charlie is an a**ehole and deserves negative posts.

The only reason you have a problem is because you like charlie. Everyone has opinions. Deal with it.

You messed up the quote and I cant be bothered to sort it out but Im guessing the bolded part is your latest comment.

But when did I ever complain about you making anti marcus posts? You asked why people didnt like charlie, I answered, yet you still have a problem. I only answered your question...dont ask if you cant take the answers.

I was simply defending Charlie and you bought Marcus up? Anyway I'll have the last laugh when Marcus goes on Friday and Charlie wins a week later :cheer2:


Have the last laugh...I will also as I want marcus to go. You have got me totally wrong.

I was just using marcus as an example :wink:

Oh haha! I feel like such an idiot now :thumbs:

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

if you look at the last few weeks, charlie has had much more hate on here than marcus

Because marcus has gained fans recently, and charlie has lost them due to his recent behaviour.

Marcus has had by far the most negative posts throughout the show...maybe rivalled by noirin.

the OP was talking about the last 3 weeks.

marcus/lisa/noirin have had the most negative threads for the whole show, but for every negative marcus thread, there is a positive one.

charlie's is basically onesided. pure hate and people jumping on every little move he makes. the same could be said for lisa.

so you can't paint a 'poor marcus' picture. his love/hate is balanced with regards to threads, possibly even more love now

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by golden
[And someone who thinks the same as me!!:thumbs::wink:

I guess you are using the term "think" very loosely! What thinking person could subscribe to the groundless bile that is vomitted by HATERS about Charlie for the 'look' on his face, the 'fakeness' of every word he utters, the 'going on about his mother'.

Siavash attacks him for backstabbing Bea by nominating her (which he didn't) and yet Siavash's fans accuse him of being a bitch when he responds by reminding the faithless Siavash that he has no moral highground to stand upon, having even denied the existence of his girlfriend, never mind having cheated on her which, surprise, surprise, he did.
I note it was Charlie that left the argument before it escalated even further and before in the heat of the moment he said someting he might regret. It is he who is now being magnanimous about the argument.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

if you look at the last few weeks, charlie has had much more hate on here than marcus

Because marcus has gained fans recently, and charlie has lost them due to his recent behaviour.

Marcus has had by far the most negative posts throughout the show...maybe rivalled by noirin.

the OP was talking about the last 3 weeks.

marcus/lisa/noirin have had the most negative threads for the whole show, but for every negative marcus thread, there is a positive one.

charlie's is basically onesided. pure hate and people jumping on every little move he makes. the same could be said for lisa.

so you can't paint a 'poor marcus' picture. his love/hate is balanced with regards to threads, possibly even more love now

Another one who is missing my point.

OP is twisting about the anti charlie posts...however when it was anti-whoever the threads are fine.

They asked why people disliked charlie, I answered yet my answer was 'wrong'.

And Im not trying to paint a poor marcus picture at all...I fully understand the hate threads...because I realise everyone will have different opinions on different housemates...

As I said, I was simply using marcus as an example.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Charlie has been the most positive and supportive HM. He always tries to see the good in other HMs. He has been entertaining and good spirited and when there is an argument he is always the bridge builder. Even tonight he is tolerating Siavash with no outward show of ill-feeling in spite of Siavash's recent baseless attack on him.

I respect the views of the HMs who almost universally speak positively about him as a good HM and a cheery chappy.

i think this positive cheery chappy routine would've worked well had he not shown this downright nasty streak over the past few weeks..

some see a "bridge builder" and a "positive housemate" i see a guy,who is quick to prey on the weak,stay on the side of whoever is running things at that precise moment and generally bitch about every one of his friends..

for a positive guy to laugh when bea was calling freddie a twat and what not a few weeks ago yet then have a go at freddie he cant be all that positive..

during the first few weeks when lisa was having a spat with marcus,she had ripped chunks out of freddie while kris was in the background telling freddie to "****",mean while charlie jumped in to rip freddie a new one.. not much a bridge builder by any means..

also last night,he took personal attacks at siavash,how did siavash attack charlie?siavash had a conversation with sophie,he then felt bad for not telling rodrigo so he did,only for rodrigo to blurt to charlie and every other housemate,which then led to last nights fiasco,however siavash never attacked charlie.. infact it was charlie who stooped lower then even bea last night with some of the remarks he had made..

also perhaps im nit picking,but tonight when david and lisa were talking about there outing,charlie was looking to grab centre stage with the "oooh but i threw a ball at marcus" instead of just allowing someone else to have the lime light for a change,his face when no one listened was a picture..

in short,i dont hate charlie,i simply find his actions distasteful after his treatment of freddie/siavash.. he's had words to say about almost everyone of his friends while all the time being sweet as pie to their faces.. not that he's the only one to do so,but this isnt a topic about bea or karly so ill leave them out of it..

[Mindyfint]

He is the most fakest hm and his attitude towards others is disgraceful.

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

if you look at the last few weeks, charlie has had much more hate on here than marcus

Because marcus has gained fans recently, and charlie has lost them due to his recent behaviour.

Marcus has had by far the most negative posts throughout the show...maybe rivalled by noirin.

the OP was talking about the last 3 weeks.

marcus/lisa/noirin have had the most negative threads for the whole show, but for every negative marcus thread, there is a positive one.

charlie's is basically onesided. pure hate and people jumping on every little move he makes. the same could be said for lisa.

so you can't paint a 'poor marcus' picture. his love/hate is balanced with regards to threads, possibly even more love now

Another one who is missing my point.

OP is twisting about the anti charlie posts...however when it was anti-whoever the threads are fine.

They asked why people disliked charlie, I answered yet my answer was 'wrong'.

And Im not trying to paint a poor marcus picture at all...I fully understand the hate threads...because I realise everyone will have different opinions on different housemates...

As I said, I was simply using marcus as an example.

Since so many people are 'missing' you're points. Why not explain better? For the record I never said you were WRONG?! I was defending my favourite HM. You said everyone has different opinions and I was voicing mine. I could declare you were saying mine was 'wrong' for disagreeing with it. But I'm not one for twisting things.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by golden
[And someone who thinks the same as me!!:thumbs::wink:

I guess you are using the term "think" very loosely! What thinking person could subscribe to the groundless bile that is vomitted by HATERS about Charlie for the 'look' on his face, the 'fakeness' of every word he utters, the 'going on about his mother'.


brother,seriosly do one,what her or vicky have said is not groundless bile,that would be coming on here and saying something along the lines of "that geordie numpty should ****" or "****ing prick hope he dies" ... but nothing of the sort has been said,infact its been a fairly candid discussion.. obviosly some will hate,but hate is around for every housemate on this forum,however thats not what she was doing.. so lay off next time you wish to antagonise..

[BGT-FAN!]

Get him out!
he only wants fame and money out of all this

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by VickyJ


Another one who is missing my point.

OP is twisting about the anti charlie posts...however when it was anti-whoever the threads are fine.

They asked why people disliked charlie, I answered yet my answer was 'wrong'.

And Im not trying to paint a poor marcus picture at all...I fully understand the hate threads...because I realise everyone will have different opinions on different housemates...

As I said, I was simply using marcus as an example.

vicky, you have gone on about how pathetic you find other fm for jumping on anti-marcus threads a hell of a lot (not on this thread but on many others in the past few weeks), yet you have no problem with anti-charlie ones.

the OP asked a few simple questions and it was you that brought up marcus threads, comparing the two. the OP wasn't comparing charlie to other hm and wasn't moaning about the hate threads either (which you suggested in your first post)

i'm not 'missing any point'. i'm commenting on what you've said

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by BGT-FAN!
Get him out!
he only wants fame and money out of all this
So do all of them! FAILED POST!

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by tintedshadow

i think this positive cheery chappy routine would've worked well had he not shown this downright nasty streak over the past few weeks..

some see a "bridge builder" and a "positive housemate" i see a guy,who is quick to prey on the weak,stay on the side of whoever is running things at that precise moment and generally bitch about every one of his friends..

for a positive guy to laugh when bea was calling freddie a t*** and what not a few weeks ago yet then have a go at freddie he cant be all that positive..

during the first few weeks when lisa was having a spat with marcus,she had ripped chunks out of freddie while kris was in the background telling freddie to "****",mean while charlie jumped in to rip freddie a new one.. not much a bridge builder by any means..

also last night,he took personal attacks at siavash,how did siavash attack charlie? siavash had a conversation with sophie,he then felt bad for not telling rodrigo so he did,only for rodrigo to blurt to charlie and every other housemate,which then led to last nights fiasco,however siavash never attacked charlie.. infact it was charlie who stooped lower then even bea last night with some of the remarks he had made..

also perhaps im nit picking,but tonight when david and lisa were talking about there outing,charlie was looking to grab centre stage with the "oooh but i threw a ball at marcus" instead of just allowing someone else to have the lime light for a change,his face when no one listened was a picture..

in short,i dont hate charlie,i simply find his actions distasteful after his treatment of freddie/siavash.. he's had words to say about almost everyone of his friends while all the time being sweet as pie to their faces.. not that he's the only one to do so,but this isnt a topic about bea or karly so ill leave them out of it..

If you read my previous post and revisit the episode, you will see quite clearly that charlie's reference to Siavash's faithlessness was in direct response to Siavash calling him a backstabber for nominating Bea! ( which he didn't do!!!!!!) Yes, Charlie's response was cutting, but true AND provoked! I trust you can see the difference between Charlie and Siavash in thi regard? One uses a falsehood to attack, the other uses a truth to defend.

[golden]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by golden
[And someone who thinks the same as me!!:thumbs::wink:

I guess you are using the term "think" very loosely! What thinking person could subscribe to the groundless bile that is vomitted by HATERS about Charlie for the 'look' on his face, the 'fakeness' of every word he utters, the 'going on about his mother'.

Siavash attacks him for backstabbing Bea by nominating her (which he didn't) and yet Siavash's fans accuse him of being a bitch when he responds by reminding the faithless Siavash that he has no moral highground to stand upon, having even denied the existence of his girlfriend, never mind having cheated on her which, surprise, surprise, he did.
I note it was Charlie that left the argument before it escalated even further and before in the heat of the moment he said someting he might regret. It is he who is now being magnanimous about the argument.

Oh Long_Run where do I start. Firstly thankyou for the lengthy post. I must agree with people more often!
My dislike for Charlie does not stem from an attack by or to Siavash. There are many reasons. It started after his 'no friends' argument with Rodrigo..I saw a bit of a mean side to him.
He's been quite rude to David, most recently saying "you've only been in the house 5 minutes" as David was expressing his excitement at being out.
Yes his expressions today also annoyed me. It may be just a 'look' but we both know a 'look' speaks volumes.
I'm not going to write all my reasons as I can't be bothered but those few I've listed are some of what make me dislike him. I am like others entitled to my opinion am I not.

Charlie may be genuine. I'll just have to wait and see if he does indeed go and live with a family in a 3rd world country for 6 months.

[Becker]

Charlie is such a wonderful housemate he comes in at least favourite housemate with a whopping 28.9% a clear 10 points clear of Lisa 2nd least favourite housemate.

Maybe that is why he is getting such a pounding here .. and elsewhere.
His mask slips all too readily and shows his true feelings. Not to mention the fact he was a party to a fair bit of bullying that has gone on in there.

Sly, manipulative ... etc etc but the bottom line is ...

He HAS been a bad lad in there which is reflected in a lot of the polls floating around. Is it any wonder he has come in for criticism? Take it on the chin he just isn't as popular as you would like him to be. end of story ... As has been said don't take it so personally ... you did ask after all.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by VickyJ


Another one who is missing my point.

OP is twisting about the anti charlie posts...however when it was anti-whoever the threads are fine.

They asked why people disliked charlie, I answered yet my answer was 'wrong'.

And Im not trying to paint a poor marcus picture at all...I fully understand the hate threads...because I realise everyone will have different opinions on different housemates...

As I said, I was simply using marcus as an example.

vicky, you have gone on about how pathetic you find other fm for jumping on anti-marcus threads a hell of a lot (not on this thread but on many others in the past few weeks), yet you have no problem with anti-charlie ones.

the OP asked a few simple questions and it was you that brought up marcus threads, comparing the two. the OP wasn't comparing charlie to other hm and wasn't moaning about the hate threads either (which you suggested in your first post)

i'm not 'missing any point'. i'm commenting on what you've said

No however, they did suggest that marcus 'deserves' hate thread, whilst charlie does not.

I dont even remember saying anything about people jumping on anti-marcus threads...at all.


I do have a slight problem with people just saying things like 'he is vile' and not backing it up, as thats not really explaining much is it?

The OP is asking people for opinions on why they like/dislike charlie...and then just totally disregarding any reason for not liking charlie. I used anti marcus threads as an example because these are what I have seen more of...and the response, to my whole post, including where I explained why I dont like charlie was....

"That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'. "

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Now, at what point in my original post did I say I disliked him plainly because he bithced? And if I did, what is wrong with that? They all bitch, but I may not like the way he goes about it. Its called an opinion.

I then said...

"'See, I think Charlie is an a**ehole and deserves negative posts.

The only reason you have a problem is because you like charlie. Everyone has opinions. Deal with it. '"

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In respose to what they said, which I think is correct. They have problems with people being anti charlie, because they like him, which is reasonable, but they cannot expect everyone to have the same opinion as them.


They then replied...

"If I can't complain what gives you superior rights to complain about Marcus? I have opinions. DEAL WITH IT!"

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I never once said anything about them complaining about marcus, simply stated that marcus had far more negative posts than charlie. Yet the OP has no problem with it.

Seems the whole point of this thread was just to totally disregard everyones opinion if it was negative, and just agree with the positive. In which case, why not make a thread called 'Calling all Charlie Fans' and discuss nicely there why people like him, instead of including the word 'haters'?

So yes, the OP asked a simple question...maybe I should not have brought up a comparison, if it was going to cause this reaction...jesus. I made a balanced post, that a lot of people agreed with, yet one little comment on the end has this whole thread going hysterical :laugh:

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by VickyJ


Another one who is missing my point.

OP is twisting about the anti charlie posts...however when it was anti-whoever the threads are fine.

They asked why people disliked charlie, I answered yet my answer was 'wrong'.

And Im not trying to paint a poor marcus picture at all...I fully understand the hate threads...because I realise everyone will have different opinions on different housemates...

As I said, I was simply using marcus as an example.

vicky, you have gone on about how pathetic you find other fm for jumping on anti-marcus threads a hell of a lot (not on this thread but on many others in the past few weeks), yet you have no problem with anti-charlie ones.

the OP asked a few simple questions and it was you that brought up marcus threads, comparing the two. the OP wasn't comparing charlie to other hm and wasn't moaning about the hate threads either (which you suggested in your first post)

i'm not 'missing any point'. i'm commenting on what you've said

No however, they did suggest that marcus 'deserves' hate thread, whilst charlie does not.

I dont even remember saying anything about people jumping on anti-marcus threads...at all.


I do have a slight problem with people just saying things like 'he is vile' and not backing it up, as thats not really explaining much is it?

The OP is asking people for opinions on why they like/dislike charlie...and then just totally disregarding any reason for not liking charlie. I used anti marcus threads as an example because these are what I have seen more of...and the response, to my whole post, including where I explained why I dont like charlie was....

"That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'. "

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Now, at what point in my original post did I say I disliked him plainly because he bithced? And if I did, what is wrong with that? They all bitch, but I may not like the way he goes about it. Its called an opinion.

I then said...

"'See, I think Charlie is an a**ehole and deserves negative posts.

The only reason you have a problem is because you like charlie. Everyone has opinions. Deal with it. '"

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In respose to what they said, which I think is correct. They have problems with people being anti charlie, because they like him, which is reasonable, but they cannot expect everyone to have the same opinion as them.


They then replied...

"If I can't complain what gives you superior rights to complain about Marcus? I have opinions. DEAL WITH IT!"

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I never once said anything about them complaining about marcus, simply stated that marcus had far more negative posts than charlie. Yet the OP has no problem with it.

Seems the whole point of this thread was just to totally disregard everyones opinion if it was negative, and just agree with the positive. In which case, why not make a thread called 'Calling all Charlie Fans' and discuss nicely there why people like him, instead of including the word 'haters'?

So yes, the OP asked a simple question...maybe I should not have brought up a comparison, if it was going to cause this reaction...jesus. I made a balanced post, that a lot of people agreed with, yet one little comment on the end has this whole thread going hysterical :laugh:

Whats with the lies. I have no issue with you hating Charlie it's fine with me. I simply defended my favourite. Check the posts you mentioned Marcus in a way which indicated you believed he didn't deserve hate threads. Marcus is rude and perverted. You then went on to declare that I said your opinion was WRONG?! Words which I never typed. Please stop spreading lies on this thread.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

If you read my previous post and revisit the episode, you will see quite clearly that charlie's reference to Siavash's faithlessness was in direct response to Siavash calling him a backstabber for nominating Bea! ( which he didn't do!!!!!!) Yes, Charlie's response was cutting, but true AND provoked! I trust you can see the difference between Charlie and Siavash in thi regard? One uses a falsehood to attack, the other uses a truth to defend.

perhaps ive had too many late nights or something because it almost seemed like you said charlie was defending himself?

brother,charlie started out irate after finding out siavash had not nominated,and thus began his tirade of abuse,the comment your talking about siavash had said way later in the arguement,before this charlie had berated siavash in ways that needed not happen,they were uncalled for..

so in response when siavash walked up to him after having cheap shots directed at him,he then said well your the one who was meant to be bea's friend and had negative things to say about her once she had left..WHICH IS TRUE..

the only thing that is untrue is that charlie was defending himself,to defend oneself is to not be the one taking things to a personal level from the get go..

charlie took offence to siavash not nominating,had a go at him,siavash's rebuttle was then about his two faced callous nature,to which charlie took his amatuer dramatics to new lows.. that is all...


EDIT- hold up i just re-read your post,siavash didnt say charlie nommed bea,he said you were nice to her face then when she left you were saying negative things about her.. which is pretty much true...

[kisywisy]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by kisywisy
Originally posted by VickyJ


Another one who is missing my point.

OP is twisting about the anti charlie posts...however when it was anti-whoever the threads are fine.

They asked why people disliked charlie, I answered yet my answer was 'wrong'.

And Im not trying to paint a poor marcus picture at all...I fully understand the hate threads...because I realise everyone will have different opinions on different housemates...

As I said, I was simply using marcus as an example.

vicky, you have gone on about how pathetic you find other fm for jumping on anti-marcus threads a hell of a lot (not on this thread but on many others in the past few weeks), yet you have no problem with anti-charlie ones.

the OP asked a few simple questions and it was you that brought up marcus threads, comparing the two. the OP wasn't comparing charlie to other hm and wasn't moaning about the hate threads either (which you suggested in your first post)

i'm not 'missing any point'. i'm commenting on what you've said

No however, they did suggest that marcus 'deserves' hate thread, whilst charlie does not.

I dont even remember saying anything about people jumping on anti-marcus threads...at all.


I do have a slight problem with people just saying things like 'he is vile' and not backing it up, as thats not really explaining much is it?

The OP is asking people for opinions on why they like/dislike charlie...and then just totally disregarding any reason for not liking charlie. I used anti marcus threads as an example because these are what I have seen more of...and the response, to my whole post, including where I explained why I dont like charlie was....

"That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'. "

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Now, at what point in my original post did I say I disliked him plainly because he bithced? And if I did, what is wrong with that? They all bitch, but I may not like the way he goes about it. Its called an opinion.

I then said...

"'See, I think Charlie is an a**ehole and deserves negative posts.

The only reason you have a problem is because you like charlie. Everyone has opinions. Deal with it. '"

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In respose to what they said, which I think is correct. They have problems with people being anti charlie, because they like him, which is reasonable, but they cannot expect everyone to have the same opinion as them.


They then replied...

"If I can't complain what gives you superior rights to complain about Marcus? I have opinions. DEAL WITH IT!"

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I never once said anything about them complaining about marcus, simply stated that marcus had far more negative posts than charlie. Yet the OP has no problem with it.

Seems the whole point of this thread was just to totally disregard everyones opinion if it was negative, and just agree with the positive. In which case, why not make a thread called 'Calling all Charlie Fans' and discuss nicely there why people like him, instead of including the word 'haters'?

So yes, the OP asked a simple question...maybe I should not have brought up a comparison, if it was going to cause this reaction...jesus.

sorry vicky, but you didn't JUST say marcus had more hate threads. you said Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

the rest of your post was great. it gave valid reasons etc

the last part just wasn't needed at all. firstly, he wasn't moaning at the hate threads. he was asking why people loved/hated charlie. the topic title is apt.

secondly, the OP hadn't commented on any negative posts until you brought up marcus' threads, so of course he'll comment on that.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBfan46

Whats with the lies. I have no issue with you hating Charlie it's fine with me. I simply defended my favourite. Check the posts you mentioned Marcus in a way which indicated you believed he didn't't deserve hate threads. Marcus is rude and perverted. You then went on to declare that I said your opinion was WRONG?! Words which I never typed. Please stop spreading lies on this thread.

I'm spreading no lies.

I mentioned Marcus as a comparison for hate thread. I think its a fair comparison as he has had BY FAR overall more hate threads than charlie.

OK, you are defending your favourite...by totally disregarding most of my post and only referring to a bit where I said he was bitchy...speaks volumes if you don't even have any defense for his actions.

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He is a hypocrite.

He went off on one with Marcus for saying stuff to Bea, and Freddie laughing. His reasoning was that he disliked anyone ganging up on people and them two were ganging up on Bea, he said he would do the same for anyone who was being ganged up on.

Yet he had no problem whatsoever when nearly the whole house ganged up on Freddie...he even had the audacity to sit next to Freddie whilst Lisa Karly and Kris were picking at him and say not a word, straight after he had been sitting telling Freddie that he had seen no ganging up. He then proceeds to attack Siavash, with Rodrigo and David...now...if his real reason for kicking off about them ganging up on Bea was indeed that he didn'tt like people being ganged up on...why take part in this kind of thing himself? Why not tell them this? That he was arguing so they should wait? No, he sat back and smiled smugly whilst the other two went on, no doubt planning what he could say to fill the gaps.

Also, he encouraged Marcus Freddie and Siavash to break out of jail...yet when they receive their punishment, which was the food being took away, he twists about it and says they shouldn't have done it. Bearing in mind he also told them after the breakout that they should not go to the diary room when asked.

Also, he kicked off with siavash about lying about his nominations...just a week earlier Bea did exactly the same thing...difference being, Bea had already nominated, then lied about it. Siavash said he was going to nominate, and then changed his mind. If it upsets charlie that people lie about nominations, why did he not have a go at Bea for exactly the same thing?

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He doesn't let people have a say.

2 examples.

Freddie: Freddie was explaining something to Marcus, charlie hears something he doesn't want to hear, and starts going off on one. Freddie a few times tried to explain what he meant, but Charlie keeps talking over himm to get his point across...Freddie again tries to explain what he meant, and suddenly Charlie wants nothing more to do with the conversation. A few minutes later, Charlie brings it up again, going on and on and on, Freddie eventually gets a word in, and charlie wants to speak about it tomorrow...which never happened. He always makes sure he gets his point across before 'forgetting the conversation'

Siavash: They all jump on him, maybe for good reason...I understand that Charlie may not of liked being lied to. He again did not let Siavash get a word in...steamrollering on and on with his views, pausing only to allow David or Rodrigo to have their say, every time Siavash tries to speak he is cut off. Siavash even points out that they are just shouting at him, but the same carries on...again it is decided that they leave it as they are sick of the conversation...only for it to be brought up again in the garden, and the same thing to happen.

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He **** stirs

Shorter example.

The Noirin 'protest' thing. He knew Noirin knew nothing of this, yet he had to tell her then make out that he thought she already knew. You may take this and turn it round to be him being loyal to a friend, but if this was the case, why not just tell her straight, instead of trying to make out that he said it by accident? Hmm...either for the cameras, so he is not SEEN as stirring, or to have a defense when the housemates find out that he is trying to cause trouble. I don't see any other possible reason.

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He is aggressive

This was shown during the whole swapping mattress thing with Rodrigo. He said he would swap beds, so Rodrigo went to change the mattresses as he said he did not want to swap beds, it is the same thing really. Charlie appears to be going to hit Rodrigo...did you see the look of sheer hatred that crossed his face? And don't say he was not aggressive, he was...everyone except charlie fans can see this. If they had been outside, I have no doubt in my mind he would of hit Rodrigo.

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He makes himself out to be the victim

The night him Sophie and Bea woke the whole house up with their antics. Rodrigo told charlie..not in a nice way though, I'll give you that...to get out of the bedroom if they were going to make noise...a pretty fair request given that he had just been woken up by having Sophie dumped on him. Yes, they were trying to get Sophie to bed. I understand this, however, as soon as charlie realised Rodrigo was annoyed, he starts shouting 'shout, come on now shout' in his face...he the proceeds to go to bed and start screaming at the top of his lungs. Rodrigo gets upset, kicks off...and charlie turns it round like he did nothing wrong...'if you asked me to be quiet I would of been'and puts on a baby voice 'don't threaten is'. he obviously wasn't that bothered about being threatened or he would of said something before hand about it, not as an afterthought. Rodrigo told him many times to shut up, charlie knows this. Then when Rodrigo is called to the diary room(rightly so by the way, he was getting aggressive) charlie tries to make out to the rest of the housemates that he did nothing wrong.

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He DOES use his mother for sympathy

After the message from home, the whole 'she is getting better because I am on BB' was disgusting. Basically, not him actually saying these word, but implying that if he won his mother would make a miraculous recovery.

I understand his mother is ill and its sad, and obviously he will get upset about it...I dislike the people who say he shouldn't speak about it at all. But the way he brought BB into his mother getting better was wrong, very wrong. Of course it has nothing to do with the fact he is on a reality TV show, if this was the case, everyone with sick relatives would go on them to make them better.

Also the way he made out he was on BB 'for me mam'. His father made clear that it had been charlies dream for years to go on BB, he is there for him, no one else.

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He is totally fake

The whole Nana thing is just for the cameras, I think this is pretty obvious...and I love how it has never made the HL show, it is creepy and disturbing, and again, I am yet to see anyone who is not a charlie fan say that they find it in any way funny. In fact, my sister, who is 18, loved charlie, until she saw Nana. Now she doesn't. She says its weird.

Many times I have noticed him sitting scowling then looking up and seeing a camera and starting to smile and put the nicey nice act on. The other night with Siavash, if he was really as worked up and angry about it as he made out, why suddenly start flouncing around and go to dance with Lisa? If you were that mad, then hearing music would not snap you out of it. His face went from scowl to Beaming smile once he realised that he had a chance to switch back to Mr nice guy.

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Now, I could go on all day, but I am typing in the dark, and I don't really see why I should have to explain my reasons for disliking charlie...take your pick from the above, or just disregard the entire post...but I'm done here. Just thought I would let you know that not everyone dislikes him for no good reason, and maybe let you into the reasoning of some people who dislike him...

Also, I have used one or two examples of every point, there are more, but if I said it all, this would be even more of an essay :wink:

Its probably too long for people to bother with but its kept me busy for 20 minutes so never mind :hugesmile:

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by BBfan46
1) Why do you hate Charlie so much? Why in the last 3 weeks has he been so criticized?

2)Why do you want him to win? or Why do you like him?
1) Forum jealousy that he's very popular with chavs and the general public, may well win. So they create deluded, petty bandwagons in vein attempts to bring him down. Pretty similar with Lisa and all her cronies infact.

False propoganda about this, lies about that, random BS claims, posting derogatory threads aimed to create spite, etc. Trying to create a pre final storm to bring him down. :rolleyes:

2) Because he's a decent guy all round, and he'd win me £600. :thumbs:

[Twilight]

I hate him because hes fake,hes a bitch,hes playing the sympathy card because of his mam and imo hes a annoying asshole

[Twilight]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46

Whats with the lies. I have no issue with you hating Charlie it's fine with me. I simply defended my favourite. Check the posts you mentioned Marcus in a way which indicated you believed he didn't deserve hate threads. Marcus is rude and perverted. You then went on to declare that I said your opinion was WRONG?! Words which I never typed. Please stop spreading lies on this thread.

Im spreading no lies.

I mentioned marcus as a comprison for hate thread. I think its a fair comparison as he has had BY FAR overall more hate threads than charlie.

OK, you are defending your favourite...by totall disregarding most of my post and only referring to a bit where I said he was bitchy...speaks volumes if you dont even have any defense for his actions.

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He is a hypocrite.

He went off on one with marcus for saying stuff to bea, and freddie laughing. His reasoning was that he disliked anyone ganging up on people and them two were ganging up on Bea, he said he would do the same for anyone who was being ganged up on.

Yet he had no problem whatsoever when nearly the whole house ganged up on freddie...he even had the audacity to sit next to freddie whilst lisa karly and kris were picking at him and say not a word, straight after he had been sitting telling freddie that he had seen no ganging up. He then proceeds to attack Siavash, with rodrigo and david...now...if his real reason for kicking off about them ganging up on bea was indeed that he didnt like people being ganged up on...why take part in this kind of thing himself? Why not tell them this? That he was arguing so they should wait? No, he sat back and smiled smugly whilst the other two went on, no doubt planning what he could say to fill the gaps.

Also, he encouraged marcus freddie and siavash to break out of jail...yet when they recieve their punishment, which was the food being took away, he twists about it and says they shouldnt have done it. Bearing in mind he also told them after the breakout that they should not go to the diary room when asked.

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He doesnt let people have a say.

2 examples.

Freddie: Freddie was explaining something to marcus, charlie hears something he doesnt want to hear, and starts going off on one. Freddie a few times tried to explain what he meant, but charlie keeps talking over him to get his point across...freddie again tries to explain what he meant, and suddenly charlie wants nothing more to do with the conversation. A few minutes later, charlie brings it up again, going on and on and on, freddie eventually gets a word in, and charlie wants to speak about it tomorrow...which never happened. He always makes sure he gets his point across before 'forgetting the conversation'

Siavash: They all jump on him, maybe for good reason...I understand that Charlie may not of liked being lied to. He again did not let siavash get a word in...steamrollering on and on with his views, pausing only to allow david or rodrigo to have their say, everytime siavash tries to speak he is cut off. Siavash even points out that they are just shouting at him, but the same carries on...again it is decided that they leave it as they are sick of the conversation...only for it to be brought up again in the garden, and the same thing to happen.

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He **** stirs

Shorter example.

The Noirin 'protest' thing. He knew Noirin knew nothing of this, yet he had to tell her then make out that he thought she already knew. You may take this and turn it round to be him being loyal to a friend, but if this was the case, why not just tell her straight, instead of trying to make out that he said it by accident? Hmm...either for the cameras, so he is not SEEN as stirring, or to have a defense when the housemates find out that he is trying to cause trouble. I dotn see any other possible reason.

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He is agressive

This was shown during the whole swapping mattress thing with rodrigo. He said he would swap beds, so rodrigo went to change the matresses as he said he did not want to swap beds, it is the same thing really. Charlie appears to be going to hit rodrigo...did you see the look of sheer hatred that crossed his face? And dont say he was not agressive, he was...everyone except charlie fans can see this. If they had been outside, I have no doubt in my mind he would of hit Rodrigo.

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He makes himself out to be the victim

The night him sophie and bea woke the whole house up with their antics. Rodrigo told charlie..not in a nice way though, il give you that...to get out of the bedroom if they were going to make noise...a pretty fair request given that he had just been woken up by having sophie dumped on him. Yes, they were trying to get sophie to bed. I understand this, however, as soon as charlie realised rodrigo was annoyed, he starts shouting 'shout, come on now shout' in his face...he the proceeds to go to bed and start screaming at the top of his lungs. Rodrigo gets upset, kicks off...and charlie turns it round like he did nothing wrong...'if you asked me to be quiet I would of been'and puts on a baby voice 'dont threaten is'. he obviously wasnt that bothered about being thr4eatened or he would of said something before hand about it, not as an afterthought. Rodrigo told him many times to shut up, charlie knows this. Then when rodrigo is called to the diary room(rightly so by the way, he was getting agressive) charlie tries to make out to the rest of the housemates that he did nothing wrong.

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He DOES use his mother for sympathy

After the message from home, the whole 'she is getting better because I am on BB' was disgusting. Basically, not him actually saying these word, but implying that if he won his mother would make a miraculous recovery.

I understand his mother is ill and its sad, and obviously he will get upset about it...I dislike the people who say he shouldnt speak about it at all. But the way he brought BB into his mother getting better was wrong, very wrong. Of course it has nothing to do with the fact he is on a reality TV show, if this was the case, everyone with sdick relatives would go on them to make them better.

Also the way he made out he was on BB 'for me mam'. His father made clear that it had been charlies dream for years to go on BB, he is there for him, noone else.

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He is totally fake

The whole nana thing is just for the cameras, I think this is pretty obvious...and I love how it has never made the HL show, it is creepy and disturbing, and again, I am yet to see anyone who is not a charlie fan say that they find it in any way funny. In fact, my sister, who is 18, loved charlie, until she saw nana. Now she doesnt. She says its weird.

Many times I have noticed him sitting scowling then looking up and seeing a camera and starting to smile and put the nicey nice act on. The other night with Siavash, if he was really as worked up and angry about it as he made out, why suddenly start flouncing around and go to dance with lisa? If you were that mad, then hearing music would not snap you out of it. His face went from scowl to beaming smile once he realised that he had a chance to switch back to mr nice guy.

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Now, I could go on all day, but i am typing in the dark, and I dont really see why i should have to explain my reasons for disliking charlie...take your pick from the above, or just disregard the entire post...but im done here. Just thought i would let you know that not everyone dislikes him for no good reason, and maybe let you into the reasoning of some people who dislike him...

Also, I have used one or two examples of every point, there are more, but if I said it all, this would be even more of an essay :wink:

Its probably too long for people to bother with but its kept me busy for 20 minutes so nevermind :hugesmile: Go vicky:cheer2:

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I mentioned marcus as a comprison for hate thread {.....} he has had BY FAR overall more hate threads than charlie.


Numbers not vague assertions please! I have been kept pretty busy denouncing unfounded hate threads against Charlie is all I know. I have challenged unfounded attacks on others too, but nowhere near as often as for poor innocent Charlie who seems to have attracted unfair hatred.

Drawing attention to specific events whose interpretation can be debated is one thing and I acknowledge that different people will see things differently. However, blind knocking copy that denies the facts of a situation and then extrapolates to prove a point based upon a falsehood is devious and underhand. These attacks I have seen often on Charlie. Obviously he is neither saint nor angel, just a good hearted human being, well capable of making mistakes. Equally he is well capable of seeing these mistakes and trying to correct them. When he does this he is accused of only doing it as some sort of gameplan. So, obviously he can't do right for doing wrong in the eyes of those who wish to paint him bad. Many attacks are intemperate and unfounded. He is a nice lad.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by Twilight
I hate him because hes fake,hes a bitch,hes playing the sympathy card because of his mam and imo hes a annoying asshole
All magically in the past few weeks, bang on time with the sudden forum bandwagon, even citing examples from months ago.

Ohhh well, another attempt at generating hate and spreading BS about HMs, to bring them down. Typical forum propoganda.

"Ohhh poor Freddie!"
"Lisa's warnings and so forth!"
"Bully Bully!"
"Team Lisa is evil!"
"Charlie the bad guy!"

All myths. Freddie the snake, See-the-Cash the snake, Marcus is more than adept in what he's doing, etc. They all have flaws too; all HMs do.

I've cottoned onto this forum bandwagon game, LONG ago. :spin2:

[golden]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

Equally he is well capable of seeing these mistakes and trying to correct them. When he does this he is accused of only doing it as some sort of gameplan. So, obviously he can't do right for doing wrong in the eyes of those who wish to paint him bad.

Lol by correcting his mistakes do you mean the way he says 'I'm only joking' after offending someone?

Ps Can you give examples of all these attacks that hms have inflicted on Charlie...I'm drawing a blank!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by VickyJ

I mentioned marcus as a comprison for hate thread {.....} he has had BY FAR overall more hate threads than charlie.


Numbers not vague assertions please! I have been kept pretty busy denouncing unfounded hate threads against Charlie is all I know. I have challenged unfounded attacks on others too, but nowhere near as often as for poor innocent Charlie who seems to have attracted unfair hatred.

Drawing attention to specific events whose interpretation can be debated is one thing and I acknowledge that different people will see things differently. However, blind knocking copy that denies the facts of a situation and then extrapolates to prove a point based upon a falsehood is devious and underhand. These attacks I have seen often on Charlie. Obviously he is neither saint nor angel, just a good hearted human being, well capable of making mistakes. Equally he is well capable of seeing these mistakes and trying to correct them. When he does this he is accused of only doing it as some sort of gameplan. So, obviously he can't do right for doing wrong in the eyes of those who wish to paint him bad. Many attacks are intemperate and unfounded. He is a nice lad.

Sorry...you expect me to go through EVERY post made and give you numbers? I dont think so...thats ridiculous :rolleyes:

Over the course of BB marcus has had far more hate threads about him, since most of charlies only started in the recent weeks. At the minute charlie has more hate threads, I agree, but overall marcus has had way more.

I dont hate people for random reasons...thats why I felt the need to write the essay above to explain why I dislike him. This, coupled with the fact that I actually know him in real life. But when judging a tv program, that doesnt really come into it, and my run ins with him outside of the house are not really anyones business but my own. Thats why i felt the need to explain, plus give examples, in such detail.

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by The_Long_Run

Equally he is well capable of seeing these mistakes and trying to correct them. When he does this he is accused of only doing it as some sort of gameplan. So, obviously he can't do right for doing wrong in the eyes of those who wish to paint him bad.

Lol by correcting his mistakes do you mean the way he says 'I'm only joking' after offending someone?

Ps Can you give examples of all these attacks that hms have inflicted on Charlie...I'm drawing a blank!

Good point, attacks by HMs are very rare. The attacks to which I was referring were attacks by Forum members. The HMs who live with him in real time almost universally like and appreciate him for the good guy he is which must tell you something. They know when he's joking, but I guess some people have to be there to be able to see that he IS joking and that there is no malice. Rarely is a HM 'offended' as you put it, and that is confined to Rodrigo, but that is a special case.

One example of an attack was Siavash, when trying to defend his recent self serving decision not to nominate accused Charlie of backstabbing Bea by nominating her ( Charlie NEVER nominated Bea). Justifiably Charlie defended himself, questioning Siavash's position to accuse ANYONE of dishonour. You will notice that Charlie regretted the strength with which he defended himself and withdrew. He has subsequently dealt very magnanimously with Siavash, in spite of his baseless attack. This is an example of his seeking to correct his mistake in being quite so cutting to Siavash. Some have argued that Siavash deserved it.

[golden]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by golden
Originally posted by The_Long_Run

Equally he is well capable of seeing these mistakes and trying to correct them. When he does this he is accused of only doing it as some sort of gameplan. So, obviously he can't do right for doing wrong in the eyes of those who wish to paint him bad.

Lol by correcting his mistakes do you mean the way he says 'I'm only joking' after offending someone?

Ps Can you give examples of all these attacks that hms have inflicted on Charlie...I'm drawing a blank!

Good point, attacks by HMs are very rare. The attacks to which I was referring were attacks by Forum members. The HMs who live with him in real time almost universally like and appreciate him for the good guy he is which must tell you something. They know when he's joking, but I guess some people have to be there to be able to see that he IS joking and that there is no malice. Rarely is a HM 'offended' as you put it, and that is confined to Rodrigo, but that is a special case.

One example of an attack was Siavash, when trying to defend his recent self serving decision not to nominate accused Charlie of backstabbing Bea by nominating her ( Charlie NEVER nominated Bea). Justifiably Charlie defended himself, questioning Siavash's position to accuse ANYONE of dishonour. You will notice that Charlie regretted the strength with which he defended himself and withdrew. He has subsequently dealt very magnanimously with Siavash, in spite of his baseless attack. This is an example of his seeking to correct his mistake in being quite so cutting to Siavash. Some have argued that Siavash deserved it.

Ah ok
You do know he offended David too don't you..also called his best friend & charity work partner Marcus 'nasty & selfish' behind his back.
The hms do like him but has that something to do with his mum? The evictees have said they want him to win cos of her. Apparently he has reminded them of that fact often enough! I feel I would go easy & be extra nice to someone in that situation.
I think I'll stop there Long_Run. We obviously have different opinions & see the young guy in different ways. Let's just agree to differ.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Originally posted by BBfan46
1) Why do you hate Charlie so much? Why in the last 3 weeks has he been so criticized?

2)Why do you want him to win? or Why do you like him?
1) Forum jealousy that he's very popular with chavs and the general public, may well win. So they create deluded, petty bandwagons in vein attempts to bring him down. Pretty similar with Lisa and all her cronies infact.

False propoganda about this, lies about that, random BS claims, posting derogatory threads aimed to create spite, etc. Trying to create a pre final storm to bring him down. :rolleyes:

2) Because he's a decent guy all round, and he'd win me £600. :thumbs:

Aha, so now we know the REASON for all YOUR propoganda posts.

And you do nothing but post derogatory threads to create spite for other HM's!

Rumbled my friend.

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by golden

Ah ok
You do know he offended David too don't you..also called his best friend & charity work partner Marcus 'nasty & selfish' behind his back.
The hms do like him but has that something to do with his mum? The evictees have said they want him to win cos of her. Apparently he has reminded them of that fact often enough! I feel I would go easy & be extra nice to someone in that situation.
I think I'll stop there Long_Run. We obviously have different opinions & see the young guy in different ways. Let's just agree to differ.

I guess we shall have to agree to differ as we are inhabitting a different reality. This Forum has been full of comments about his Mum, yes, but NONE of the evictees has mentioned his Mum, they have just said they want and expect him to win. This Forum has planted the idea in your head that they are saying this out of some sympathy for his Mum.
He offended David by saying throwing him out of the pool was like throwing out a whale? Is that what you were referring to? Good hearted banter and not taken as offence by David who that very evening went into the DR and SHOUTED Charlie's praises.
My opinion? Marcus has been nasty and selfish. I agree with Charlie on that one. Certainly the least group minded of all the remaining HMs, as he has declared himself.

[golden]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by golden

Ah ok
You do know he offended David too don't you..also called his best friend & charity work partner Marcus 'nasty & selfish' behind his back.
The hms do like him but has that something to do with his mum? The evictees have said they want him to win cos of her. Apparently he has reminded them of that fact often enough! I feel I would go easy & be extra nice to someone in that situation.
I think I'll stop there Long_Run. We obviously have different opinions & see the young guy in different ways. Let's just agree to differ.

I guess we shall have to agree to differ as we are inhabitting a different reality. This Forum has been full of comments about his Mum, yes, but NONE of the evictees has mentioned his Mum, they have just said they want and expect him to win. This Forum has planted the idea in your head that they are saying this out of some sympathy for his Mum.
He offended David by saying throwing him out of the pool was like throwing out a whale? Is that what you were referring to? Good hearted banter and not taken as offence by David who that very evening went into the DR and SHOUTED Charlie's praises.
My opinion? Marcus has been nasty and selfish. I agree with Charlie on that one. Certainly the least group minded of all the remaining HMs, as he has declared himself.

Noirin & Isaac stated that was the reason he should win actually.
He also rudely 'suggested' David should not have been so excited to be out of the house as he has not been here that long. And yes David was a bit offended about being called a whale, he just put on a strong front the way he did with Bea & the 'get David kicked out' incident.
The ideas in my head come from listening to and watching the hms, they have not been 'planted' by forum members. That's just ridiculous.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Aha, so now we know the REASON for all YOUR propoganda posts.

And you do nothing but post derogatory threads to create spite for other HM's!

Rumbled my friend.
I'm not slating HMs and personally insulting him darling, or making up lies, false quotes and supposed claims about him. Mocking his mother, etc.

And I already told you that I obviously time my posts in line with evictions, etc. Because I want my favourites to do well, non-faves to go.

We discussed this in the other thread. I didn't hide it. But fair is fair. Other HMs are discussed. So I can chime in too. :spin2:

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by golden

Noirin & Isaac stated that was the reason he should win actually.


You clearly misremember! They did NOT say that. They simply said that he deserved to win more than any other HM. NO mention of his mother.

[golden]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by golden

Noirin & Isaac stated that was the reason he should win actually.


You clearly misremember! They did NOT say that. They simply said that he deserved to win more than any other HM. NO mention of his mother.

They in fact did say that...I remember because I didn't know he had told the hms. That was the moment I realized they knew.

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by golden
They in fact did say that...I remember because I didn't know he had told the hms. That was the moment I realized they knew.

I trust that you will retract this when you receive my U2U.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=133084

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46

Whats with the lies. I have no issue with you hating Charlie it's fine with me. I simply defended my favourite. Check the posts you mentioned Marcus in a way which indicated you believed he didn't't deserve hate threads. Marcus is rude and perverted. You then went on to declare that I said your opinion was WRONG?! Words which I never typed. Please stop spreading lies on this thread.

I'm spreading no lies.

I mentioned Marcus as a comparison for hate thread. I think its a fair comparison as he has had BY FAR overall more hate threads than charlie.

OK, you are defending your favourite...by totally disregarding most of my post and only referring to a bit where I said he was bitchy...speaks volumes if you don't even have any defense for his actions.

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He is a hypocrite.

He went off on one with Marcus for saying stuff to Bea, and Freddie laughing. His reasoning was that he disliked anyone ganging up on people and them two were ganging up on Bea, he said he would do the same for anyone who was being ganged up on.

Yet he had no problem whatsoever when nearly the whole house ganged up on Freddie...he even had the audacity to sit next to Freddie whilst Lisa Karly and Kris were picking at him and say not a word, straight after he had been sitting telling Freddie that he had seen no ganging up. He then proceeds to attack Siavash, with Rodrigo and David...now...if his real reason for kicking off about them ganging up on Bea was indeed that he didn'tt like people being ganged up on...why take part in this kind of thing himself? Why not tell them this? That he was arguing so they should wait? No, he sat back and smiled smugly whilst the other two went on, no doubt planning what he could say to fill the gaps.

Also, he encouraged Marcus Freddie and Siavash to break out of jail...yet when they receive their punishment, which was the food being took away, he twists about it and says they shouldn't have done it. Bearing in mind he also told them after the breakout that they should not go to the diary room when asked.

Also, he kicked off with siavash about lying about his nominations...just a week earlier Bea did exactly the same thing...difference being, Bea had already nominated, then lied about it. Siavash said he was going to nominate, and then changed his mind. If it upsets charlie that people lie about nominations, why did he not have a go at Bea for exactly the same thing?

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He doesn't let people have a say.

2 examples.

Freddie: Freddie was explaining something to Marcus, charlie hears something he doesn't want to hear, and starts going off on one. Freddie a few times tried to explain what he meant, but Charlie keeps talking over himm to get his point across...Freddie again tries to explain what he meant, and suddenly Charlie wants nothing more to do with the conversation. A few minutes later, Charlie brings it up again, going on and on and on, Freddie eventually gets a word in, and charlie wants to speak about it tomorrow...which never happened. He always makes sure he gets his point across before 'forgetting the conversation'

Siavash: They all jump on him, maybe for good reason...I understand that Charlie may not of liked being lied to. He again did not let Siavash get a word in...steamrollering on and on with his views, pausing only to allow David or Rodrigo to have their say, every time Siavash tries to speak he is cut off. Siavash even points out that they are just shouting at him, but the same carries on...again it is decided that they leave it as they are sick of the conversation...only for it to be brought up again in the garden, and the same thing to happen.

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He **** stirs

Shorter example.

The Noirin 'protest' thing. He knew Noirin knew nothing of this, yet he had to tell her then make out that he thought she already knew. You may take this and turn it round to be him being loyal to a friend, but if this was the case, why not just tell her straight, instead of trying to make out that he said it by accident? Hmm...either for the cameras, so he is not SEEN as stirring, or to have a defense when the housemates find out that he is trying to cause trouble. I don't see any other possible reason.

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He is aggressive

This was shown during the whole swapping mattress thing with Rodrigo. He said he would swap beds, so Rodrigo went to change the mattresses as he said he did not want to swap beds, it is the same thing really. Charlie appears to be going to hit Rodrigo...did you see the look of sheer hatred that crossed his face? And don't say he was not aggressive, he was...everyone except charlie fans can see this. If they had been outside, I have no doubt in my mind he would of hit Rodrigo.

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He makes himself out to be the victim

The night him Sophie and Bea woke the whole house up with their antics. Rodrigo told charlie..not in a nice way though, I'll give you that...to get out of the bedroom if they were going to make noise...a pretty fair request given that he had just been woken up by having Sophie dumped on him. Yes, they were trying to get Sophie to bed. I understand this, however, as soon as charlie realised Rodrigo was annoyed, he starts shouting 'shout, come on now shout' in his face...he the proceeds to go to bed and start screaming at the top of his lungs. Rodrigo gets upset, kicks off...and charlie turns it round like he did nothing wrong...'if you asked me to be quiet I would of been'and puts on a baby voice 'don't threaten is'. he obviously wasn't that bothered about being threatened or he would of said something before hand about it, not as an afterthought. Rodrigo told him many times to shut up, charlie knows this. Then when Rodrigo is called to the diary room(rightly so by the way, he was getting aggressive) charlie tries to make out to the rest of the housemates that he did nothing wrong.

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He DOES use his mother for sympathy

After the message from home, the whole 'she is getting better because I am on BB' was disgusting. Basically, not him actually saying these word, but implying that if he won his mother would make a miraculous recovery.

I understand his mother is ill and its sad, and obviously he will get upset about it...I dislike the people who say he shouldn't speak about it at all. But the way he brought BB into his mother getting better was wrong, very wrong. Of course it has nothing to do with the fact he is on a reality TV show, if this was the case, everyone with sick relatives would go on them to make them better.

Also the way he made out he was on BB 'for me mam'. His father made clear that it had been charlies dream for years to go on BB, he is there for him, no one else.

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He is totally fake

The whole Nana thing is just for the cameras, I think this is pretty obvious...and I love how it has never made the HL show, it is creepy and disturbing, and again, I am yet to see anyone who is not a charlie fan say that they find it in any way funny. In fact, my sister, who is 18, loved charlie, until she saw Nana. Now she doesn't. She says its weird.

Many times I have noticed him sitting scowling then looking up and seeing a camera and starting to smile and put the nicey nice act on. The other night with Siavash, if he was really as worked up and angry about it as he made out, why suddenly start flouncing around and go to dance with Lisa? If you were that mad, then hearing music would not snap you out of it. His face went from scowl to Beaming smile once he realised that he had a chance to switch back to Mr nice guy.

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Now, I could go on all day, but I am typing in the dark, and I don't really see why I should have to explain my reasons for disliking charlie...take your pick from the above, or just disregard the entire post...but I'm done here. Just thought I would let you know that not everyone dislikes him for no good reason, and maybe let you into the reasoning of some people who dislike him...

Also, I have used one or two examples of every point, there are more, but if I said it all, this would be even more of an essay :wink:

Its probably too long for people to bother with but its kept me busy for 20 minutes so never mind :hugesmile:

There valid points -- but none are proven -- Charlie may be acting up to the camera but doesn't everyone? You also base a lot of your argument on him being a master game player. He's clearly not immensely intelligent and I doubt he has a game plan.

[Marc]

Charlie needs to go, he's the worst housemate ever

[Zien]

Originally posted by BBfan46
Why do you hate Charlie so much? Why in the last 3 weeks has he been so criticized?
Why do you want him to win? or Why do you like him?


Charlie is most definately the most attractive and cleanest looking guy in the house (with the exception of Rodrigo). He has been very entertaining with his different attempts to stay popular and remain in the house.

He has given thousand of forum users hours and hours of pleasure in down crying him, condeming him vilefiling him etc etc. The guy is a genuine Mr Nice guy and should win

[BBfan46]

I believe a genuine issue with some Charlie haters is they believe that everyone must have a game plan and someone can't be a genuinely nice guy. Sure he has flaws like everyone else. But it seems he's become the Big Brother equivalent of an A-List star in which everything he does is negative, yet others slip under the radar.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBfan46
I believe a genuine issue with some Charlie haters is they believe that everyone must have a game plan and someone can't be a genuinely nice guy. Sure he has flaws like everyone else. But it seems he's become the Big Brother equivalent of an A-List star in which everything he does is negative, yet others slip under the radar.

I never mentioned gameplans. I mentioned him being overly aware of the cameras. Thats different.

I dont think he is as much of a gameplayer as some others in there, I just believe a lot of the time he is acting. And doing it well.

Shame for him, that he couldnt keep it up just a few more weeks.

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
I believe a genuine issue with some Charlie haters is they believe that everyone must have a game plan and someone can't be a genuinely nice guy. Sure he has flaws like everyone else. But it seems he's become the Big Brother equivalent of an A-List star in which everything he does is negative, yet others slip under the radar.

I never mentioned gameplans. I mentioned him being overly aware of the cameras. Thats different.

I dont think he is as much of a gameplayer as some others in there, I just believe a lot of the time he is acting. And doing it well.

Shame for him, that he couldnt keep it up just a few more weeks.

As much sense as you're post makes I believe it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that he has been playing up to the cameras for 13 weeks, seems a little far fetched to me.

[Becker]

Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
I believe a genuine issue with some Charlie haters is they believe that everyone must have a game plan and someone can't be a genuinely nice guy. Sure he has flaws like everyone else. But it seems he's become the Big Brother equivalent of an A-List star in which everything he does is negative, yet others slip under the radar.

I never mentioned gameplans. I mentioned him being overly aware of the cameras. Thats different.

I dont think he is as much of a gameplayer as some others in there, I just believe a lot of the time he is acting. And doing it well.

Shame for him, that he couldnt keep it up just a few more weeks.

As much sense as you're post makes I believe it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that he has been playing up to the cameras for 13 weeks, seems a little far fetched to me.

Doesnt seem far fetched to me or many others in the poll it seems. Take it on the chin and accept that MOST people with their own opinions think he has been playing up.

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by Becker
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
I believe a genuine issue with some Charlie haters is they believe that everyone must have a game plan and someone can't be a genuinely nice guy. Sure he has flaws like everyone else. But it seems he's become the Big Brother equivalent of an A-List star in which everything he does is negative, yet others slip under the radar.

I never mentioned gameplans. I mentioned him being overly aware of the cameras. Thats different.

I dont think he is as much of a gameplayer as some others in there, I just believe a lot of the time he is acting. And doing it well.

Shame for him, that he couldnt keep it up just a few more weeks.

As much sense as you're post makes I believe it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that he has been playing up to the cameras for 13 weeks, seems a little far fetched to me.

Doesnt seem far fetched to me or many others in the poll it seems. Take it on the chin and accept that MOST people with their own opinions think he has been playing up.

I understand that, but it seems to me most of you haven't thought the concept through and are simply looking to deflect hate off of Marcus to Charlie.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
He has been fake from the start, his mask is slipping...and the majority of people are seeing what an idiot he really is...I knew this anyway. Im glad others are clicking on also.

When there are less housemates in the house, all of them get more airtime...BB were very kind with their edits of charlie earlier on, but now they dont have much to fill the HL show with, so they have to show his bad side also. He is sly, **** stirring and downright nasty...

The so called 'bandwagon' is really just a lot of people realising from the HL show that he really isnt as nice as he appeared at first, and also because the house 'baddie(Bea)' has been voted out, so there is not much to talk about at the minute.

Marcus has just as many threads against him as charlie does, yet you dont moan about that.

That might be due to the fact Marcus is an arsehole and deserves negative posts. Charlie is a typical gay male. Bitchy. Everyone bitches. They all do, yet Charlies is singled out by 'fans'.

excuse me? are you insinuating that Charlie being gay justifies his nasty nature?

Anyway the reason I hate him is because of his fake persona, the cheeky chappy facade irritates me when its genuine so when someone like him is faking it it's utterly unbearable. He has left his terribly ill mother to do some trashy reality show for 3 months yet doesnt stop banging on about her [tho most of this hasn't made the highlights show] in order to emotionally blackmail both the public and his fellow housemates.

He argues by simply shouting over the other person and when things get bad he just resorts to personal and unnecessary digs or by labelling them a freak or a fool. Christ knows how he is in a position to be calling people freaks.

He pushes Rodrigo past his limits even tho he's fully aware of what those limits are and then has the ordasity to brush it off or tells the other person that he no longer wishes to discuss it before they even get the chance to make their point, heaven forbid they might say something valid which would in turn make Charlie look like the twat he is.

[Becker]

Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by Becker
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
I believe a genuine issue with some Charlie haters is they believe that everyone must have a game plan and someone can't be a genuinely nice guy. Sure he has flaws like everyone else. But it seems he's become the Big Brother equivalent of an A-List star in which everything he does is negative, yet others slip under the radar.

I never mentioned gameplans. I mentioned him being overly aware of the cameras. Thats different.

I dont think he is as much of a gameplayer as some others in there, I just believe a lot of the time he is acting. And doing it well.

Shame for him, that he couldnt keep it up just a few more weeks.

As much sense as you're post makes I believe it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that he has been playing up to the cameras for 13 weeks, seems a little far fetched to me.

Doesnt seem far fetched to me or many others in the poll it seems. Take it on the chin and accept that MOST people with their own opinions think he has been playing up.

I understand that, but it seems to me most of you haven't thought the concept through and are simply looking to deflect hate off of Marcus to Charlie.

Well you obviously don't understand so I will spell it out for you.
I have definitely thought it through and have come to a decision. In answer to the original post I cannot stand Charlie or anything he stands for.

I am trying to deflect nothing or mentioned Marcus at any stage. The thread asked for opinions either way and I gave mine. I think Charlie is a sly scheming nasty piece of work who deserves everything he is going to get. Which will be nothing but a chorus of boos when he gets smashed to oblivion in the final voting stage.

You stick to your concept and i'll stick to mine thanks.

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by Becker
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by Becker
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
I believe a genuine issue with some Charlie haters is they believe that everyone must have a game plan and someone can't be a genuinely nice guy. Sure he has flaws like everyone else. But it seems he's become the Big Brother equivalent of an A-List star in which everything he does is negative, yet others slip under the radar.

I never mentioned gameplans. I mentioned him being overly aware of the cameras. Thats different.

I dont think he is as much of a gameplayer as some others in there, I just believe a lot of the time he is acting. And doing it well.

Shame for him, that he couldnt keep it up just a few more weeks.

As much sense as you're post makes I believe it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that he has been playing up to the cameras for 13 weeks, seems a little far fetched to me.

Doesnt seem far fetched to me or many others in the poll it seems. Take it on the chin and accept that MOST people with their own opinions think he has been playing up.

I understand that, but it seems to me most of you haven't thought the concept through and are simply looking to deflect hate off of Marcus to Charlie.

Well you obviously don't understand so I will spell it out for you.
I have definitely thought it through and have come to a decision. In answer to the original post I cannot stand Charlie or anything he stands for.

I am trying to deflect nothing or mentioned Marcus at any stage. The thread asked for opinions either way and I gave mine. I think Charlie is a sly scheming nasty piece of work who deserves everything he is going to get. Which will be nothing but a chorus of boos when he gets smashed to oblivion in the final voting stage.

You stick to your concept and i'll stick to mine thanks.

I have NO intention of swerving your opinion. If that's what you were hinting at.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBfan46


I understand that, but it seems to me most of you haven't thought the concept through and are simply looking to deflect hate off of Marcus to Charlie.

So basically, its impossible to dislike charlie because we should hate marcus instead and havent thought through the concept of anything?

I dont think too highly of either at the minute. So who am I 'trying to deflect hate off'?

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46


I understand that, but it seems to me most of you haven't thought the concept through and are simply looking to deflect hate off of Marcus to Charlie.

So basically, its impossible to dislike charlie because we should hate marcus instead and havent thought through the concept of anything?

I dont think too highly of either at the minute. So who am I 'trying to deflect hate off'?
Personally, I would recommend that we hate nobody. However, expressing a preference is an abolutely appropriate thing to do. For my own reasons, all of which are perfectly defensible to me, I prefer Charlie to Siavash and prefer Siavash to Marcus. I hope that the majority will share my preferences and that Marcus will leave on Friday.

Currently, aftre Marcus, Siavash is my next least favourite, though it is very close with Sophie.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46


I understand that, but it seems to me most of you haven't thought the concept through and are simply looking to deflect hate off of Marcus to Charlie.

So basically, its impossible to dislike charlie because we should hate marcus instead and havent thought through the concept of anything?

I dont think too highly of either at the minute. So who am I 'trying to deflect hate off'?
Personally, I would recommend that we hate nobody. However, expressing a preference is an abolutely appropriate thing to do. For my own reasons, all of which are perfectly defensible to me, I prefer Charlie to Siavash and prefer Siavash to Marcus. I hope that the majority will share my preferences and that Marcus will leave on Friday.

Currently, aftre Marcus, Siavash is my next least favourite, though it is very close with Sophie.

I dont 'hate' anybody. I dislike charlie and lisa, the rest i can give or take. I just dont appreciate people trying to tell me that there are no valid reasons for disliking someone because people havent 'thought through the concept' and I am simply trying to 'deflect hate from another housemate'

Siavash is my fave at the minute, but its changing daily. I dont want any of the to win really...

[Zien]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46


I understand that, but it seems to me most of you haven't thought the concept through and are simply looking to deflect hate off of Marcus to Charlie.

So basically, its impossible to dislike charlie because we should hate marcus instead and havent thought through the concept of anything?

I dont think too highly of either at the minute. So who am I 'trying to deflect hate off'?
Personally, I would recommend that we hate nobody. However, expressing a preference is an abolutely appropriate thing to do. For my own reasons, all of which are perfectly defensible to me, I prefer Charlie to Siavash and prefer Siavash to Marcus. I hope that the majority will share my preferences and that Marcus will leave on Friday.

Currently, aftre Marcus, Siavash is my next least favourite, though it is very close with Sophie.

I dont 'hate' anybody. I dislike charlie and lisa, the rest i can give or take. I just dont appreciate people trying to tell me that there are no valid reasons for disliking someone because people havent 'thought through the concept' and I am simply trying to 'deflect hate from another housemate'

Siavash is my fave at the minute, but its changing daily. I dont want any of the to win really...

Vickyj first time i have agreed with you. I change daily now even my devoted support for Charlie, which you may have noticed with all the flak i get, wains at times and I dont want any of them to win at the moment

[AhmedFan2004]

Charlie took down Freddie ... hopefully he'll have taken down Siavash this week too. :thumbs:

[gavinh2008]

I've hated Charlie since his VT, I just find him fake and over-acting everything, he's quite two-faced as well, and he hates confrontation as he is a backstabber

[niko]

Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Charlie has been the most positive and supportive HM. He always tries to see the good in other HMs. He has been entertaining and good spirited and when there is an argument he is always the bridge builder. Even tonight he is tolerating Siavash with no outward show of ill-feeling in spite of Siavash's recent baseless attack on him.

I respect the views of the HMs who almost universally speak positively about him as a good HM and a cheery chappy.

Finally! Someone who thinks the same as me! :thumbs::xyxwave:

and me!! :laugh:

[Zien]

Originally posted by niko
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Charlie has been the most positive and supportive HM. He always tries to see the good in other HMs. He has been entertaining and good spirited and when there is an argument he is always the bridge builder. Even tonight he is tolerating Siavash with no outward show of ill-feeling in spite of Siavash's recent baseless attack on him.

I respect the views of the HMs who almost universally speak positively about him as a good HM and a cheery chappy.

Finally! Someone who thinks the same as me! :thumbs::xyxwave:

and me!! :laugh:

and me:thumbs:

[k1ck3m0n]

Charlie fans - check out the Clothes Maketh the Man thread, then get back to us with a defence of your favourite housemate.

[ManicWolf]

I have never liked Charlie, right from the start. I am really glad others are now starting to see how fake he is. Since the beginning he has been edited to look good, especially when it comes to arguments, and now people are finally able to see through that.

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46


I understand that, but it seems to me most of you haven't thought the concept through and are simply looking to deflect hate off of Marcus to Charlie.

So basically, its impossible to dislike charlie because we should hate marcus instead and havent thought through the concept of anything?

I dont think too highly of either at the minute. So who am I 'trying to deflect hate off'?
Personally, I would recommend that we hate nobody. However, expressing a preference is an abolutely appropriate thing to do. For my own reasons, all of which are perfectly defensible to me, I prefer Charlie to Siavash and prefer Siavash to Marcus. I hope that the majority will share my preferences and that Marcus will leave on Friday.

Currently, aftre Marcus, Siavash is my next least favourite, though it is very close with Sophie.

I dont 'hate' anybody. I dislike charlie and lisa, the rest i can give or take. I just dont appreciate people trying to tell me that there are no valid reasons for disliking someone because people havent 'thought through the concept' and I am simply trying to 'deflect hate from another housemate'

Siavash is my fave at the minute, but its changing daily. I dont want any of the to win really...

To be honest, I don't appreciate you accusing me of invalidating your opinion, something which I never did. It seemed to me you were accusing me of moaning about Charlie hate threads something which again I never did, you then used Marcus as an example as someone I didn't 'moan' about, I explained I didn't like Marcus. That to me seems like you saying I'm not allowed to like Charlie because I don't like Marcus?

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46


I understand that, but it seems to me most of you haven't thought the concept through and are simply looking to deflect hate off of Marcus to Charlie.

So basically, its impossible to dislike charlie because we should hate marcus instead and havent thought through the concept of anything?

I dont think too highly of either at the minute. So who am I 'trying to deflect hate off'?

Not every comment I make is directed to you.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46


I understand that, but it seems to me most of you haven't thought the concept through and are simply looking to deflect hate off of Marcus to Charlie.

So basically, its impossible to dislike charlie because we should hate marcus instead and havent thought through the concept of anything?

I dont think too highly of either at the minute. So who am I 'trying to deflect hate off'?
Personally, I would recommend that we hate nobody. However, expressing a preference is an abolutely appropriate thing to do. For my own reasons, all of which are perfectly defensible to me, I prefer Charlie to Siavash and prefer Siavash to Marcus. I hope that the majority will share my preferences and that Marcus will leave on Friday.

Currently, aftre Marcus, Siavash is my next least favourite, though it is very close with Sophie.

I dont 'hate' anybody. I dislike charlie and lisa, the rest i can give or take. I just dont appreciate people trying to tell me that there are no valid reasons for disliking someone because people havent 'thought through the concept' and I am simply trying to 'deflect hate from another housemate'

Siavash is my fave at the minute, but its changing daily. I dont want any of the to win really...

To be honest, I don't appreciate you accusing me of invalidating your opinion, something which I never did. It seemed to me you were accusing me of moaning about Charlie hate threads something which again I never did, you then used Marcus as an example as someone I didn't 'moan' about, I explained I didn't like Marcus. That to me seems like you saying I'm not allowed to like Charlie because I don't like Marcus?

I dont care if you like marcus. I dont care if you like charlie. I dont care who you like.

I answered your thread asking for peoples reasoning for not liking charlie.

I have already said I shouldnt have put the marcus thing, even though i only meant to use it as a comparison, it came across wrong.

I then went on to make a very long and detailed post about my reasoning for not liking charlie, and you said that people "haven't thought the concept through and are simply looking to deflect hate off of Marcus to Charlie".

Im not trying to deflect hate from anyone onto charlie. I am merely answering a thread that asked for opinions.

And I very much doubt others are trying to deflect hate either. Its just peoples opinions. Based on what they see.

[BBfan46]

Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by The_Long_Run
Originally posted by VickyJ
Originally posted by BBfan46


I understand that, but it seems to me most of you haven't thought the concept through and are simply looking to deflect hate off of Marcus to Charlie.

So basically, its impossible to dislike charlie because we should hate marcus instead and havent thought through the concept of anything?

I dont think too highly of either at the minute. So who am I 'trying to deflect hate off'?
Personally, I would recommend that we hate nobody. However, expressing a preference is an abolutely appropriate thing to do. For my own reasons, all of which are perfectly defensible to me, I prefer Charlie to Siavash and prefer Siavash to Marcus. I hope that the majority will share my preferences and that Marcus will leave on Friday.

Currently, aftre Marcus, Siavash is my next least favourite, though it is very close with Sophie.

I dont 'hate' anybody. I dislike charlie and lisa, the rest i can give or take. I just dont appreciate people trying to tell me that there are no valid reasons for disliking someone because people havent 'thought through the concept' and I am simply trying to 'deflect hate from another housemate'

Siavash is my fave at the minute, but its changing daily. I dont want any of the to win really...

To be honest, I don't appreciate you accusing me of invalidating your opinion, something which I never did. It seemed to me you were accusing me of moaning about Charlie hate threads something which again I never did, you then used Marcus as an example as someone I didn't 'moan' about, I explained I didn't like Marcus. That to me seems like you saying I'm not allowed to like Charlie because I don't like Marcus?

I dont care if you like marcus. I dont care if you like charlie. I dont care who you like.

I answered your thread asking for peoples reasoning for not liking charlie.

I have already said I shouldnt have put the marcus thing, even though i only meant to use it as a comparison, it came across wrong.

I then went on to make a very long and detailed post about my reasoning for not liking charlie, and you said that people "haven't thought the concept through and are simply looking to deflect hate off of Marcus to Charlie".

Im not trying to deflect hate from anyone onto charlie. I am merely answering a thread that asked for opinions.

And I very much doubt others are trying to deflect hate either. Its just peoples opinions. Based on what they see.

Clearly you have several reasons of which you dislike Charlie, that's fair enough. My point was many didn't think through Charlie's ways - to me people accusing him of being an evil mastermind etc. seems paranoid behaviour we saw in Freddie.

[delta]

Originally posted by kisywisy
i don't think he's that bad to be honest. every hm likes him and that says a lot. they are living with him 24/7 so they have a better view of what he's like than anyone. people call him fake etc but you cannot keep up being fake for that long in a place like the bb house. he has his hissy fits and argues with other hm, but that's real life!!

i think it's pretty sad that every little thing he says or does makes him an aresole on here. i mean, there was even a thread about him biting his nails tonight ffs!! every face he pulls means he's fake. the hate is getting out of hand to be honest

They are in the vortex, they haven't a clue what he is like, just like the Biatch. They will see a whole different perspective when they leave the BB house, it's not that it can't be seen in there, it's the fact that they are a bunch of numskulls who who wouldn't see a 40 tonne articulated coming to run them over, either.


He's gettting a lot more air time and there is nowhere to hide.

The hand over the mouth gesture really gets my goat. Some time he even inverts his hand, I am sure , if they have spotted it, the psychologists will have a field day with that one- one nasty, false, fupper. Another one that is all about ME.