Congratulations - Craig & Derek!! - You Did it Again

[coltrane]

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Craig did it again - aided by Derek & got the nominations he wanted! & only ONE himself!! God I am sick of how good at this game he is.

Funny how it's almost word for word from the rest of the HM's - tonight Nominations Uncut was a bore! Science - Orlaith, Science - Orlaith, Science - Orlaith blah blah... They were like Craig & Dereks puppets, except from their victims! So I beg you all - KEEP SCIENCE IN!! That argument was staged last night- as Svience said - "over nothing until Craig seized the opportunity to blow it up & influence. I don't agree AT ALL with the threats on another thread - if that's true but - he is making me sick! He will make the final - I just hope we can get him out FIRST opportunity - whatever - he must NOT win with these awful tactics - If Science goes, it will be cheshire cat time again, I beg you - keep him in, even for just 1 week. Don't play into Craig's hands! - apologies for anoher Craig rant, there will be no more from me this week - enough said - but I had to speak out about this injustice!
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[ThaGazBoi]

I hate them both :bouncy:

[coltrane]

Well said gazzap, strong word - but appropriate!

[coltrane]

apologies for the caps!

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by coltrane
apologies for the caps!

No Problem.... it just looks wrong and puts people off posting to you threads.

You weren't the only one.

Have fun

Red

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by coltrane
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Craig did it again - aided by Derek & got the nominations he wanted! & only ONE himself!! God I am sick of how good at this game he is.

Funny how it's almost word for word from the rest of the HM's - tonight Nominations Uncut was a bore! Science - Orlaith, Science - Orlaith, Science - Orlaith blah blah... They were like Craig & Dereks puppets, except from their victims! So I beg you all - KEEP SCIENCE IN!! That argument was staged last night- as Svience said - "over nothing until Craig seized the opportunity to blow it up & influence. I don't agree AT ALL with the threats on another thread - if that's true but - he is making me sick! He will make the final - I just hope we can get him out FIRST opportunity - whatever - he must NOT win with these awful tactics - If Science goes, it will be cheshire cat time again, I beg you - keep him in, even for just 1 week. Don't play into Craig's hands! - apologies for anoher Craig rant, there will be no more from me this week - enough said - but I had to speak out about this injustice!


Science created the argument by taking more than his share of the mince. Instead of simply owning up and apologizing he goes into that long, pointless, monotone, aggressive rap weve got used to by defending himself that only antagonizes people and provokes them further. A disagreement that could have been resolved in a few minutes dragged on for several hours. So Science got what he wanted: A stage to create a battle of wits so he could use his large repertoire of angry rap phrases to belittle his opponants which completely backfired.

Craig is much smarter than Science, and he did well to expose Science for what a fake his is. Craig has gone up in my estimations after yesterday. I like him better now.

[Ruth]

I don't think Craig is smarter than Science - or even smart...devious maybe. I'm sorry for repeating myself (I've posted this somewhere else too) but how has Craig got the nerve to call someone arrogant, and then come out with stuff like "You are way out of your league dealing with me," "You have no idea who I am" etc.

And telling Science that he didn't have the right to sit in the living room - who the hell gave Craig the right to say who is or isn't allowed in the living room. All of the housemates have as much right as each other

Don't get me wrong - although Science is my favourite, I did think he was wrong about the mince, but Craig's comments to him later on were well out of order.

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Ruth

And telling Science that he didn't have the right to sit in the living room - who the hell gave Craig the right to say who is or isn't allowed in the living room. All of the housemates have as much right as each other

Don't get me wrong - although Science is my favourite, I did think he was wrong about the mince, but Craig's comments to him later on were well out of order.

Craig's comments were completely justified because Science went into that room - which he could have stayed away from while tempers were still running high and bearing in mind it had gone midnight anyway - to deliberately stir things up again. Within seconds he was provoking Craig into yet another heated argument, when all Craig wanted to do was chat with Anthony.

He had every right to tell Science to leave because he knew Science came in to cause trouble.

[Ruth]

He didn't tell Science to leave - he asked how Science thought he had got the right to come into the living room! I can just imagine how he would have reacted if he had gone into the kitchen and Science had asked how Craig thought he had the right to go there.

[coltrane]

I agree - Housemates can go here they like - when they like! The living room belongs to nobody! The second argument was provoked by Craig, - telling Science he was sitting in HIS rom with his friends - then telling Science "you're not my friend! , I don't like you so *******off! - plus as Ruth said - "calling someone arrogant, and then saying stuff like "You are way out of your league -You have no idea what you're dealing with, whoI am or what I am capable of" etc. is bang out of order!

[AndyJK]

Science is very arrogant, egotistical and utterly impervious to any other idea or thought. He is the flatmate from hell!

Originally posted by Ruth
He didn't tell Science to leave - he asked how Science thought he had got the right to come into the living room! I can just imagine how he would have reacted if he had gone into the kitchen and Science had asked how Craig thought he had the right to go there.

Im sure Craig did tell Science to leave later but putting this aside we're not talking about hypothetical situations of what would have happened in the kitchen, this is about a living room area where Craig and Anthony were quietly chatting. Science had no reason to go in there at that time other than to cause an argument. You could see after in the diary room how smug he felt having stoked the flames further.

And this, let me tell you, is the first time Ive found myself defending Craig in the whole series. Unlike yourself and other members I dont make a list of which housemates, past and present, are my favourites and least favourites and where I find myself having to defend their actions regardless. Thats the beauty about being a neutral observer to the show.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Science is very arrogant, egotistical and utterly impervious to any other idea or thought. He is the flatmate from hell!

Originally posted by Ruth
He didn't tell Science to leave - he asked how Science thought he had got the right to come into the living room! I can just imagine how he would have reacted if he had gone into the kitchen and Science had asked how Craig thought he had the right to go there.

I'm sure Craig did tell Science to leave later but putting this aside we're not talking about hypothetical situations of what would have happened in the kitchen, this is about a living room area where Craig and Anthony were quietly chatting. Science had no reason to go in there at that time other than to cause an argument. You could see after in the diary room how smug he felt having stoked the flames further.

And this, let me tell you, is the first time Ive found myself defending Craig in the whole series. Unlike yourself and other members I dont make a list of which housemates, past and present, are my favourites and least favourites and where I find myself having to defend their actions regardless. Thats the beauty about being a neutral observer to the show.

Sorry but that is rubbish, it was not just Craig and Anthony having a nice little chat like you have said, Kemal and Derek were there as well and they were all sitting there bitching about Science, so he came in and just sat down and had a beer and said have you got anything else to say to my face to which Craig then went off on one.

[Fangz]

Why can't the HMs see through Craig and Derek? Derek does a lot of the stirring, and then just sits back and watches the fight.

[Kore]

anthony and science were having a good game of tennis earlier that day.

craig is trying to turn anthony against science maybe?

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Kore
anthony and science were having a good game of tennis earlier that day.

craig is trying to turn anthony against science maybe?

Yer he is, things were fine till Craig started getting jealous.

[Intruder]

agreed, i swear when craigs up im gonna make a high phone bill voting him

[Ruth]

Originally posted by AndyJK
And this, let me tell you, is the first time Ive found myself defending Craig in the whole series. Unlike yourself and other members I dont make a list of which housemates, past and present, are my favourites and least favourites and where I find myself having to defend their actions regardless. Thats the beauty about being a neutral observer to the show.

Andy, check my previous posts - you will see that on numeous occasions I have posted the things that Science has done that I don't agree with, or when I thought he was wrong. I am not in the habit of defending anybody's actions regardless. I believe that Craig was in the wrong in the this case, and you believe that Science was in the wrong. Fair enough, we can agree to disagree can't we?

By the way, I don't see any problem with listing the housemates I like or dislike.:conf:

[ThaGazBoi]

Science is a top housemate

[Ruth]

And I still say that Craig had no right to question why Science (or anybody else) thought they had the right to come into the living room.

[ThaGazBoi]

Its not like he owns it ffs lool

[Ruth]

Originally posted by AndyJK
I'm sure Craig did tell Science to leave later but putting this aside we're not talking about hypothetical situations of what would have happened in the kitchen, this is about a living room area where Craig and Anthony were quietly chatting. Science had no reason to go in there at that time other than to cause an argument. You could see after in the diary room how smug he felt having stoked the flames further.


The point is that Science had every right to go into the living room if he wanted to. Craig doesn't own the house - someone should remind him of that.

And re the hypothetical situation; I was just saying that I doubt Craig would like to be spoken to the way that he was speaking to Science.

[nyameko]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by AndyJK
I'm sure Craig did tell Science to leave later but putting this aside we're not talking about hypothetical situations of what would have happened in the kitchen, this is about a living room area where Craig and Anthony were quietly chatting. Science had no reason to go in there at that time other than to cause an argument. You could see after in the diary room how smug he felt having stoked the flames further.


The point is that Science had every right to go into the living
room if he wanted to. Craig doesn't own the house - someone should remind him of that.

And re the hypothetical situation; I was just saying that I doubt Craig would like to be spoken to the way that he was speaking to Science.



100% agree

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by BB fernzy

Sorry but that is rubbish, it was not just Craig and Anthony having a nice little chat like you have said, Kemal and Derek were there as well and they were all sitting there bitching about Science, so he came in and just sat down and had a beer and said have you got anything else to say to my face to which Craig then went off on one.

Youre thinking of the first occasion Science walked in. Im talking about the second time when only Anthony and Craig were present which was well past midnight and when Derek and Kemal were in bed. Watch the highlights again and see for yourself.

[Intruder]

absolutley agreed with nyameko

[ThaGazBoi]

Same ere

[nyameko]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Originally posted by BB fernzy

Sorry but that is rubbish, it was not just Craig and Anthony having a nice little chat like you have said, Kemal and Derek were there as well and they were all sitting there bitching about Science, so he came in and just sat down and had a beer and said have you got anything else to say to my face to which Craig then went off on one.

Youre thinking of the first occasion Science walked in. I'm talking about the second time when only Anthony and Craig were present which was well past midnight and when Derek and Kemal were in bed. Watch the highlights again and see for yourself.


800% disagree

[Ruth]

Originally posted by AndyJK
And this, let me tell you, is the first time Ive found myself defending Craig in the whole series. Unlike yourself and other members I dont make a list of which housemates, past and present, are my favourites and least favourites and where I find myself having to defend their actions regardless. Thats the beauty about being a neutral observer to the show.

I have said on several occasions when housemates I like have behaved badly (in my opinion). Everyone behaves badly sometimes, but generally if I think they are a decent good person, I like them - we are all only human. And I don't blindly criticise the housemates I don't like. I have even stuck up for Maxwell when I feel that he has been unfairly treated for example, and he was my least favourite housemate.

Yes, I have listed the housemates I like and dislike, but I don't have strong enough feelings about anybody in the house to let it bother me!

I'm not trying to be argumentative though Andy - each to their own eh?:spin2:

[nyameko]

they are all housemates,equal and they can sit anywhere etc toilet.where did craig get the right to tell science where to or not sit .ok may be he wanted to please himself like yesterday,

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Ruth
I have said on several occasions when housemates I like have behaved badly (in my opinion). Everyone behaves badly sometimes, but generally if I think they are a decent good person, I like them - we are all only human. And I don't blindly criticise the housemates I don't like. I have even stuck up for Maxwell when I feel that he has been unfairly treated for example, and he was my least favourite housemate.

Yes, I have listed the housemates I like and dislike, but I don't have strong enough feelings about anybody in the house to let it bother me!

I'm not trying to be argumentative though Andy - each to their own eh?:spin2:

Im just pointing out that Craig had every right to feel angry at Science and telling him he shouldnt have come into the room (the occasion when Ant and Craig and nobody else was in the room) and a good example if any to prove that Science seeks confrontation and arguments. I just want you to acknowledge that as you seemed quite angry that Craig should tell Science to do anything.

[Ruth]

I think Craig was out of order in that instance.

[Intruder]

the housemates are as bad as each other lol

[Intruder]

because if anthony was so perfect he wouldnt just sit there and listen to craig bitch he would tell him to stop so he likes the bitchyness even if he dont do it, eugene listens from derek to if dey never liked it they would say stop

[Ruth]

I'm not angry though - I'm not that bothered enough about any of the housemates to get angry - but I do think Craig was wrong; not just because it was Science he was having a go at, but whoever it had been I would have thought he was wrong.

As I said, each to their own opinions:spin2:

[nyameko]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Originally posted by Ruth
I have said on several occasions when housemates I like have behaved badly (in my opinion). Everyone behaves badly sometimes, but generally if I think they are a decent good person, I like them - we are all only human. And I don't blindly criticise the housemates I don't like. I have even stuck up for Maxwell when I feel that he has been unfairly treated for example, and he was my least favourite housemate.

Yes, I have listed the housemates I like and dislike, but I don't have strong enough feelings about anybody in the house to let it bother me!

I'm not trying to be argumentative though Andy - each to their own eh?:spin2:

I'm just pointing out that Craig had every right to feel angry at Science and telling him he shouldnt have come into the room (the occasion when Ant and Craig and nobody else was in the room) and a good example if any to prove that Science seeks confrontation and arguments. I just want you to acknowledge that as you seemed quite angry that Craig should tell Science to do anything.



why should he tell him anything

[Ruth]

Anyway, I have to get back to work now, so I can't stop.
:wavey:

One last thing though - if Science had said to Craig what Craig said to Science I would have said that Science was in the wrong.

[Slartibartfast]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Originally posted by BB fernzy

Sorry but that is rubbish, it was not just Craig and Anthony having a nice little chat like you have said, Kemal and Derek were there as well and they were all sitting there bitching about Science, so he came in and just sat down and had a beer and said have you got anything else to say to my face to which Craig then went off on one.

Youre thinking of the first occasion Science walked in. I'm talking about the second time when only Anthony and Craig were present which was well past midnight and when Derek and Kemal were in bed. Watch the highlights again and see for yourself.

I remember him coming in the second time. He came in quietly and explained to Ant and Craig that he was there to talk to them. He even said a few times about the level of his voice and asked "ok, this is talking isn't it, not shouting". Science actually managed to remain calm and try to talk sensibly, but it was Craig who started the shouting and yelling. This is why most people think Craig was in the wrong, and it was a masterstroke by Science. He realised that Craig was trying to wind him up and so came back in a calm manner and let Craig do all the shouting and yelling. He turned Craig's little pathetic efforts to rile him right around on him and screwed him good!

Well, thats my reading and recollection of the situation!

[nyameko]

Originally posted by Slartibartfast
Originally posted by AndyJK
Originally posted by BB fernzy

Sorry but that is rubbish, it was not just Craig and Anthony having a nice little chat like you have said, Kemal and Derek were there as well and they were all sitting there bitching about Science, so he came in and just sat down and had a beer and said have you got anything else to say to my face to which Craig then went off on one.

Youre thinking of the first occasion Science walked in. I'm talking about the second time when only Anthony and Craig were present which was well past midnight and when Derek and Kemal were in bed. Watch the highlights again and see for yourself.

I remember him coming in the second time. He came in quietly and explained to Ant and Craig that he was there to talk to them. He even said a few times about the level of his voice and asked "ok, this is talking isn't it, not shouting". Science actually managed to remain calm and try to talk sensibly, but it was Craig who started the shouting and yelling. This is why most people think Craig was in the wrong, and it was a masterstroke by Science. He realised that Craig was trying to wind him up and so came back in a calm manner and let Craig do all the shouting and yelling. He turned Craig's little pathetic efforts to rile him right around on him and screwed him good!

Well, thats my reading and recollection of the situation!


no contest