Science exemplifies all that is bad with the yoof (sic) of today

[AndyJK]

Reading the support for Science on this board, his fans sum up the scary rap-obsessed young people becoming more prevalent within society. They like Science because he speaks their language: Ghetto talk, which has better results than normal conversation. Right across the country gullible young people watching BB are now mimicking Science to browbeat others into submission. I bet even sales of rap music will go up as more and more people increase their repertoire of gangsta type phrases to browbeat others.

What a sad society weve become. :bored:

[Slartibartfast]

What!!?? I think if you really read the support for science across this board, you will see that very few, if any like him because he speaks "Ghetto talk" and none seem to have mentioned rap music at all! And I'm a fan of science and I certainly woudn't classify myself as one of the "scary rap-obsessed young people" I hate rap music, awful stuff. Gimme some Bob Dylan or Led Zeppelin anyday.

[nyameko]

Originally posted by Slartibartfast
What!!?? I think if you really read the support for science across this board, you will see that very few, if any like him because he speaks "Ghetto talk" and none seem to have mentioned rap music at all! And I'm a fan of science and I certainly woudn't classify myself as one of the "scary rap-obsessed young people" I hate rap music, awful stuff. Gimme some Bob Dylan or Led Zeppelin anyday.

agreed

[Fangz]

Lol, I'm a Science fan, and I hate rap-music! Rock's more my style. If you really want an example of all that's wrong with the 'yoof' of today, why not take a look at the idiots who go around happy-slapping, starting drunken brawls, or joy-riding, not someone on a reality-tv show!:rolleyes:

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Reading the support for Science on this board, his fans sum up the scary rap-obsessed young people becoming more prevalent within society. They like Science because he speaks their language: Ghetto talk, which has better results than normal conversation. Right across the country gullible young people watching BB are now mimicking Science to browbeat others into submission. I bet even sales of rap music will go up as more and more people increase their repertoire of gangsta type phrases to browbeat others.

What a sad society weve become. :bored:

I think that this post was very sweeping with regards to the young people of today. Also to call young people gullible is untrue most young people today are pretty switched on about things and I doubt that Science and his behvaiour is going to have a big impact on the other than to give the a laugh

[Kore]

i like anthony AND science

and i like all kinds of music.:thumbs:

[AndyJK]

Young people need role models thats why they like Science because they can identify with him.

On BBLB a couple of weeks ago, two young rapsters appeared as guests and defended Science and launched into an assault on Derek saying: "yeah, that Derek, innit, he cahnt even strin' two sen'ences toge'er, innit. Yeah, that Derek 'ees a typical Tory, innee". I bet all the kids at home were giving it the old Ali G flick of the fingers to that. Innit. :bored:

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Young people need role models thats why they like Science because they can identify with him.

On BBLB a couple of weeks ago, two young rapsters appeared as guests and defended Science and launched into an assault on Derek saying: "yeah, that Derek, innit, he cahnt even strin' two sen'ences toge'er, innit. Yeah, that Derek 'ees a typical Tory, innee". I bet all the kids at home were giving it the old Ali G flick of the fingers to that. Innit. :bored:

I am just glad that neither of my kids see him as a role model!! nor do any others that I know for that matter must just be the posh area I live in lol :hello:

[Dan_]

I am a Science fan but I don't see him as a role model neither do I want to be him and nor do I talk as though I am from the ghetto. I like his honesty and in a house full of back stabbing bitches he is a breath of fresh air.

I think your wrong to make such sweeping judgements of people on this board and put the Science fan's all into one bracket, he has many different types of people that support him on here, for instance posters like Ruth who I class as one of the best people on here when it comes to putting their point across and it's a rather ignorant thing to do.

[Intruder]

thats true, because, it makes out that all science fans are going to turn into him and turn into loud ppl or what so ever i agree with fernzy

[Sunny_01]

me 3

[Ella]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Reading the support for Science on this board, his fans sum up the scary rap-obsessed young people becoming more prevalent within society. They like Science because he speaks their language: Ghetto talk, which has better results than normal conversation. Right across the country gullible young people watching BB are now mimicking Science to browbeat others into submission. I bet even sales of rap music will go up as more and more people increase their repertoire of gangsta type phrases to browbeat others.

What a sad society weve become. :bored:

I dont like Science because he talks ''ghetto'' i like him because of his straight forward no mess attitide he has, hes a brilliant housemate and hes the most real in there, he doesn't pretend to be different thats how he is, hes the only one that very very rarely takes part in bitching and i am certainly not mimicking him!

SCIENCE TO WIN!!!

[Ruth]

AndyJK, I like Science, and I can't stand rap music. Neither do I use 'ghetto talk' - in fact, I'm a bit of a stickler for the correct use of the English language.

It's a little unfair to try and say why people like a particular housemate don't you think? I'll say again what I've said before; Science is loud - true, he's hot headed - true, he doesn't like to be wrong - true. However, I also find him honest - refreshingly so in a house full of backstabbers. He's compassionate, he stands up for what he believes, even if he knows it will make him unpopular, and he doesn't try and play games with people's emotions. Also, while some people may see him as confrontational, I think he is just not afraid to tell someone if he thinks they are wrong about something. Despite what you might think, he also DOES listen to people when they talk to him properly. Before Derek turned into the backstabbing bitch that he appears to have become in recent times, he often had talks with Science when he thought Science had done something wrong or handled a situation badly, and Science was prepared to liste and take on board what he said. He (Science) also listened when Roberto used to talk to him. Science also has morals of a far higher standard than a lot of the housemates. I don't doubt for one second that if I was in the house with him, I'd tell him to shut up a few times; but I would also have a great fondness for him. I truly believe that he is one of the most genuine housemates, certainly of recent years. We ALL have faults - it's part of being human - but I believe that Science is a decent, good person, and that's what counts, far more than the way he speaks o(or raps).

I'm suprised that you claim to know why most supporters of Science like him - I don't see any evidence to support your assertion that people like him because of his 'ghetto talk' or his constant rapping. Why don't you ask people why they like him, rather than tell them why they like him?

Bottom line for me is that Science has a good heart, a good soul and a good brain.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by BB fernzy
I am a Science fan but I don't see him as a role model neither do I want to be him and nor do I talk as though I am from the ghetto. I like his honesty and in a house full of back stabbing bitches he is a breath of fresh air.

I think your wrong to make such sweeping judgements of people on this board and put the Science fan's all into one bracket, he has many different types of people that support him on here, for instance posters like Ruth who I class as one of the best people on here when it comes to putting their point across and it's a rather ignorant thing to do.

Thanks bbfernzy:thumbs:

[nyameko]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Reading the support for Science on this board, his fans sum up the scary rap-obsessed young people becoming more prevalent within society. They like Science because he speaks their language: Ghetto talk, which has better results than normal conversation. Right across the country gullible young people watching BB are now mimicking Science to browbeat others into submission. I bet even sales of rap music will go up as more and more people increase their repertoire of gangsta type phrases to browbeat others.

What a sad society weve become. :bored:

science speaking my laguage what is that all about .just say i hate the guy thats it no excusses.

[Kanye_West]

I like him because hes funny... He really cannot rap... he "thinks" he is ghetto but hes nothing compared to ghetto...

So bull..

[Ella]

How would you know about 'Ghetto' Kanye_West you from Compton or something?

[Kanye_West]

No, but i know a little boy like that aint from the Ghetto.

[Ella]

How do you know have you been to where he lives

[Intruder]

kanye_west how would you feel if some one said your trying to be kanye_west because of your name???

[Kanye_West]

But do i walk round, pretending to be sommin im not??? Nope..

Does he have an education Elz_Belz???

[lilmissnaughty]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Reading the support for Science on this board, his fans sum up the scary rap-obsessed young people becoming more prevalent within society. They like Science because he speaks their language: Ghetto talk, which has better results than normal conversation. Right across the country gullible young people watching BB are now mimicking Science to browbeat others into submission. I bet even sales of rap music will go up as more and more people increase their repertoire of gangsta type phrases to browbeat others.

What a sad society weve become. :bored:

I can't stand rap, and I want Science to win.

You can't make judgements of people just because of who they like on Big Brother:rolleyes:

[Kanye_West]

Originally posted by lilmissnaughty
Originally posted by AndyJK
Reading the support for Science on this board, his fans sum up the scary rap-obsessed young people becoming more prevalent within society. They like Science because he speaks their language: Ghetto talk, which has better results than normal conversation. Right across the country gullible young people watching BB are now mimicking Science to browbeat others into submission. I bet even sales of rap music will go up as more and more people increase their repertoire of gangsta type phrases to browbeat others.

What a sad society weve become. :bored:

I can't stand rap, and I want Science to win.

You can't make judgements of people just because of who they like on Big Brother:rolleyes:

Thats what i was trying to get through, But whatever he says... Yeah hes gonna be the next Ice Berg Slim :laugh:

[Kanye_West]

Originally posted by Intruder
kanye_west how would you feel if some one said your trying to be kanye_west because of your name???

Plus i dont immitate Kanye West, I dont immitate the ghetto and i dont immitate the rappers i have on my wall (Not that i do, but figure of speech)

[nyameko]

Originally posted by Kanye_West
Originally posted by Intruder
kanye_west how would you feel if some one said your trying to be kanye_west because of your name???

Plus i dont immitate Kanye West, I dont immitate the ghetto and i dont immitate the rappers i have on my wall (Not that i do, but figure of speech)


what if he does imitate someone its not a crime is it.ok can you please explain to me how do you immitate ghetto ?i:nono:

[Kanye_West]

Originally posted by nyameko
Originally posted by Kanye_West
Originally posted by Intruder
kanye_west how would you feel if some one said your trying to be kanye_west because of your name???

Plus i dont immitate Kanye West, I dont immitate the ghetto and i dont immitate the rappers i have on my wall (Not that i do, but figure of speech)


what if he does imitate someone its not a crime is it.ok can you please explain to me how do you immitate ghetto ?i:nono:

Cheap Talk (Talking about the streets)
He walks around like hes something special, Like hes a peice of gold from the dirt.

And i didnt say it was a crime, i said he aint from the ghetto and he immitates that he is lie other rappers... Then people jump their guns and start blabbering when they havent even looked up.. If anything i was sticking up for him at first. But as more people come and say crap like that, it is actually putting me more off science.

[ThaGazBoi]

Science is wicked, Come on people him or Makosi to win :laugh:

[nyameko]

just as long as you are gifted&commited .not all rappers comes from the ghetto .some they don't come from broken families.like some of their lyrics suggest .

[nyameko]

ok:hello:

[Kanye_West]

Originally posted by nyameko
just as long as you are gifted&commited .not all rappers comes from the ghetto .some they don't come from broken families.like some of their lyrics suggest .

I didnt suggest rappers came from the ghetto...

I said:

1. Science is nothing but a whack mc. His rhymes are crap and he aint a rapper.
2. Science pretends he is from the ghetto when he is far from it.
3. And exactly you made the point, Some claim they are from the streets, which is kinda what science is doing.

[bananarama]

Both Science and Derick are supremely bad examples of what youngsters should develop into.

Science is an arrogant over bearing git with no time to absorb and understand what others are saying.. A man that seldom listens will never learn... Socially he is the worst mess of an example you could think of.....Having said that I don't regard him as a bad person in any way. He is just a mess when it comes to communicating and understanding other points of view... Science to Lose...

Derick. Is at the other end of the social spectrum and every bit as bad as Science but in a different way.

His posh stance is outdated and as old as the hills and in itself intimidating . He uses poshness to bully and show off his belief he is superior to all. Being posh does not automatically mean one is intelligent or nice. He is neither. Intelligence in Dereck has been replaces by basic animal cunning...Don't be fooled by the Dereck's of this world. There are a lot of such false idiots roaming about parliament right now. Dereck to lose..

I just hope no one ever grows up to be like either of them...

[nyameko]

Originally posted by bananarama
Both Science and Derick are supremely bad examples of what youngsters should develop into.

Science is an arrogant over bearing git with no time to absorb and understand what others are saying.. A man that seldom listens will never learn... Socially he is the worst mess of an example you could think of.....Having said that I don't regard him as a bad person in any way. He is just a mess when it comes to communicating and understanding other points of view... Science to Lose...

Derick. Is at the other end of the social spectrum and every bit as bad as Science but in a different way.

His posh stance is outdated and as old as the hills and in itself intimidating . He uses poshness to bully and show off his belief he is superior to all. Being posh does not automatically mean one is intelligent or nice. He is neither. Intelligence in Dereck has been replaces by basic animal cunning...Don't be fooled by the Dereck's of this world. There are a lot of such false idiots roaming about parliament right now. Dereck to lose..

I just hope no one ever grows up to be like either of them...


may be craig is the best example then

[Kanye_West]

None of em are, theyre all warped in the house

[Dan_]

Originally posted by bananarama
Both Science and Derick are supremely bad examples of what youngsters should develop into.

Science is an arrogant over bearing git with no time to absorb and understand what others are saying.. A man that seldom listens will never learn... Socially he is the worst mess of an example you could think of.....Having said that I don't regard him as a bad person in any way. He is just a mess when it comes to communicating and understanding other points of view... Science to Lose...

Derick. Is at the other end of the social spectrum and every bit as bad as Science but in a different way.

His posh stance is outdated and as old as the hills and in itself intimidating . He uses poshness to bully and show off his belief he is superior to all. Being posh does not automatically mean one is intelligent or nice. He is neither. Intelligence in Dereck has been replaces by basic animal cunning...Don't be fooled by the Dereck's of this world. There are a lot of such false idiots roaming about parliament right now. Dereck to lose..

I just hope no one ever grows up to be like either of them...

I totally agree with your comments on Derek, he is actually a worse role model that what Science is imo, Science while a very loud and irritional person he is still young but has a compassionate side, Derek on the other hand see's life as just one big game and he totally manipulates people. He is in one the most ruthless professions and when has a politician ever been seen to be a nice person. He think's of himself as a leader and a gentleman but you are right he is a bully and he abuses his posistion as an older person in the house to bully others.

The way he keeps on about being ashamed of his own race is a poor example to set and he is almost like a black man trapped in a white racist man's body.

[backtherighthorse]

Originally posted by bananarama
Both Science and Derick are supremely bad examples of what youngsters should develop into.

Science is an arrogant over bearing git with no time to absorb and understand what others are saying.. A man that seldom listens will never learn... Socially he is the worst mess of an example you could think of.....Having said that I don't regard him as a bad person in any way. He is just a mess when it comes to communicating and understanding other points of view... Science to Lose...

Derick. Is at the other end of the social spectrum and every bit as bad as Science but in a different way.

His posh stance is outdated and as old as the hills and in itself intimidating . He uses poshness to bully and show off his belief he is superior to all. Being posh does not automatically mean one is intelligent or nice. He is neither. Intelligence in Dereck has been replaces by basic animal cunning...Don't be fooled by the Dereck's of this world. There are a lot of such false idiots roaming about parliament right now. Dereck to lose..

I just hope no one ever grows up to be like either of them...

I think everyone is forgetting that this is a game show. I doubt very much that Derek would behave the way he does in the house in real life. The same goes with science. They didn't go into the house to be role models. No-one in there is a positive role model to youngsters. Even Eugene has turned nasty. The show aint for kids, even though they watch. The programme goes out after nine. If they didn't backstab how else could they infuence nominations without getting into trouble? I don't want people to 'be themselves' or have 'no gameplan'. It is a game! How boring would it be if everybody was nice and polite and agreed with each other?
I know it comes to a surprise to some people but here are some facts:
1. They all want to win the £100,000. (Well would you turn it down?)
2. They all want to be on t.v
3.They are all very much aware of the cameras
4.They are all using a gameplan (some better than others, some more obvious than others)
5. They are all 2 faced because they have to be (if they weren't no-one would speak to anyone at all. You tell someone to their face you don't like them and don't speak to them you will be up for nomination).

I'd rather people played the game properly, like Dereck and Makosi, than lounging about like they are on an 18-30 or club rep style holiday. I'm fed up of hearing lies like: 'I'm only here for the experience' or 'I don't want to win it'.

I want to be entertained. The nature of the show is that it is a competetition not a popularity contest. So those who lie, cheat, steal, backstab, bitch and cause arguments are playing the game. Dereck is using divide and rule. Makosi is using sexuality, lies, intrigue and her diva persona. Craig was using sucking up and bitching. Science is using truth to get the HM's to turn on each other. Kemal is trying to get brownie points by revealing Makosi as the mole. Orlaith, Anthony and Eugene aren't even trying.

[OPL73]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Reading the support for Science on this board, his fans sum up the scary rap-obsessed young people becoming more prevalent within society. They like Science because he speaks their language: Ghetto talk, which has better results than normal conversation. Right across the country gullible young people watching BB are now mimicking Science to browbeat others into submission. I bet even sales of rap music will go up as more and more people increase their repertoire of gangsta type phrases to browbeat others.

What a sad society weve become. :bored:
What complete rubbish. I think you underestimate the different classes of people who like Science. The number of people who have been on BBL. Celebrities I might add, that like him. Suranne Jones from Coronation Street springs to mind. Is she into rap? It has nothing to do with his 'ghetto' talk. Which incidentally he doesn't actually speak. He has a quite common Leeds accent. I take it you are not used to the so called lower classes?

Rubbish. Back your statements better than that next time. Incidentally I am not a Science fan and even I can see that people of all ages and colour like him. Subsequently, there are plenty of people like yourself who don't. Next time just say you don't like him, then maybe you wouldn't not look so foolish.

PS IT'S A GAME. GET A GRIP.

[nyameko]

I think everyone is forgetting that this is a game show. I doubt very much that Derek would behave the way he does in the house in real life. The same goes with science. They didn't go into the house to be role models. No-one in there is a positive role model to youngsters. Even Eugene has turned nasty. The show aint for kids, even though they watch. The programme goes out after nine. If they didn't backstab how else could they infuence nominations without getting into trouble? I don't want people to 'be themselves' or have 'no gameplan'. It is a game! How boring would it be if everybody was nice and polite and agreed with each other?
I know it comes to a surprise to some people but here are some facts:
1. They all want to win the £100,000. (Well would you turn it down?)
2. They all want to be on t.v
3.They are all very much aware of the cameras
4.They are all using a gameplan (some better than others, some more obvious than others)
5. They are all 2 faced because they have to be (if they weren't no-one would speak to anyone at all. You tell someone to their face you don't like them and don't speak to them you will be up for nomination).

I'd rather people played the game properly, like Dereck and Makosi, than lounging about like they are on an 18-30 or club rep style holiday. I'm fed up of hearing lies like: 'I'm only here for the experience' or 'I don't want to win it'.

I want to be entertained. The nature of the show is that it is a competetition not a popularity contest. So those who lie, cheat, steal, backstab, bitch and cause arguments are playing the game. Dereck is using divide and rule. Makosi is using sexuality, lies, intrigue and her diva persona. Craig was using sucking up and bitching. Science is using truth to get the HM's to turn on each other. Kemal is trying to get brownie points by revealing Makosi as the mole. Orlaith, Anthony and Eugene aren't even trying. [/quote]


yes totally agreee

[OPL73]

Originally posted by backtherighthorse
Originally posted by bananarama


I think everyone is forgetting that this is a game show. I doubt very much that Derek would behave the way he does in the house in real life. The same goes with science. They didn't go into the house to be role models. No-one in there is a positive role model to youngsters. Even Eugene has turned nasty. The show aint for kids, even though they watch. The programme goes out after nine. If they didn't backstab how else could they infuence nominations without getting into trouble? I don't want people to 'be themselves' or have 'no gameplan'. It is a game! How boring would it be if everybody was nice and polite and agreed with each other?
I know it comes to a surprise to some people but here are some facts:
1. They all want to win the £100,000. (Well would you turn it down?)
2. They all want to be on t.v
3.They are all very much aware of the cameras
4.They are all using a gameplan (some better than others, some more obvious than others)
5. They are all 2 faced because they have to be (if they weren't no-one would speak to anyone at all. You tell someone to their face you don't like them and don't speak to them you will be up for nomination).

I'd rather people played the game properly, like Dereck and Makosi, than lounging about like they are on an 18-30 or club rep style holiday. I'm fed up of hearing lies like: 'I'm only here for the experience' or 'I don't want to win it'.

I want to be entertained. The nature of the show is that it is a competetition not a popularity contest. So those who lie, cheat, steal, backstab, bitch and cause arguments are playing the game. Dereck is using divide and rule. Makosi is using sexuality, lies, intrigue and her diva persona. Craig was using sucking up and bitching. Science is using truth to get the HM's to turn on each other. Kemal is trying to get brownie points by revealing Makosi as the mole. Orlaith, Anthony and Eugene aren't even trying.

100% AGREE. I just mentioned this on another post. IT'S A GAME. In fact let me just cut and paste what I have written as I am sick of the same old rubbish.

FFS I'm sick of the same old schitt. It's a game. Why do you have to be nice to win?


I for one would think it was funny if some bitch or sly git one. Morally wrong of course but funny.

Does anybody realise it's a game? That's why I liked Victor from last year. He played the game and won alot of fans for that, until the whole argument and wedding debacle. Who the Fook cares if they lie, or cheat. We don't have to like them. They would have won the game fair and square because it's a GAME. There are no rules in the house that say you have to be nice. That's why Big Brother 4 was schitt.

It really bemuses me. Yes I don't like any of the housemates really, but it's still watchable.

People need to take a dose of reality.

[Slartibartfast]

Originally posted by BB fernzy
Originally posted by bananarama
Both Science and Derick are supremely bad examples of what youngsters should develop into.

Science is an arrogant over bearing git with no time to absorb and understand what others are saying.. A man that seldom listens will never learn... Socially he is the worst mess of an example you could think of.....Having said that I don't regard him as a bad person in any way. He is just a mess when it comes to communicating and understanding other points of view... Science to Lose...

Derick. Is at the other end of the social spectrum and every bit as bad as Science but in a different way.

His posh stance is outdated and as old as the hills and in itself intimidating . He uses poshness to bully and show off his belief he is superior to all. Being posh does not automatically mean one is intelligent or nice. He is neither. Intelligence in Dereck has been replaces by basic animal cunning...Don't be fooled by the Dereck's of this world. There are a lot of such false idiots roaming about parliament right now. Dereck to lose..

I just hope no one ever grows up to be like either of them...

I totally agree with your comments on Derek, he is actually a worse role model that what Science is imo, Science while a very loud and irritional person he is still young but has a compassionate side, Derek on the other hand see's life as just one big game and he totally manipulates people. He is in one the most ruthless professions and when has a politician ever been seen to be a nice person. He think's of himself as a leader and a gentleman but you are right he is a bully and he abuses his posistion as an older person in the house to bully others.

The way he keeps on about being ashamed of his own race is a poor example to set and he is almost like a black man trapped in a white racist man's body.

I disagree with some of the comments about Derek and I feel I should stand up to defend my main contender!


I think Derek has used his age and poshness to try and establish himself as a figure of authority in the house, (and even being quiz master in the games has helped reinforced this idea). He's done this with varying degrees of success; some housemates have bought into it, others are now starting to see him as the master schemer that he is.

Whether this is a form of bullying, is up to you. I don't think so. By making out that he is an authority figure in the house, it means that others are less likely to argue with him which may come across as bullying but I feel it is more that these people inherently need on some level some kind of authority despite their concious efforts to resist it. They tried to evict Derek a number of times but failed. He's established himself as popular with the outside and as a figure of authority and intelligence inside the house. This has given him great power over the other housemates.

But most importantly, by getting himself into this position, others are more likely to listen to what he says. Which is why he has been able to whisper Iago-style into people ears and influence their opinions of others. The most obvious culprits are Kemal and Eugene, who Derek seems able to easily manipulate.

He has played the game brilliantly, and this is the kind of character and game player that I like to see in the BB house. The major flaws with his plan that will come back to bite him in the proverbial is that if he is found out in the house (which is already starting to happen) then's he screwed with the housemates. And the public will not like his gameplaying ways. The public generally don't like people who go into the house and purposely try to play with housemates and manipulate them. Personally, it's the main reason I watch BB. I don't see the housemates as role models (although I can accept that they are role models to some but that's society's obsession with fame and that is why there are thousands of people queuing up to get on BB auditions), I see them as contestants on a game where whoever plays the game the best deserves to win it.

Derek to win (although he never will...)

[BusyBee]

It is a game and this lot are all out to win whatever they say. They will be underhand, friendly, bitchy, downright annoying as they see fit to make sure that they get that prize. No-one has gone in there to make friends - they are all sworn enemies and I cant see any of them remaining friends outside for very long.

Science is just playing the game, although more annoyingly than the others.

[OPL73]

Yes Derek, is playing the game brilliantly. He lays the foundations, plants the seeds of doubt and contempt, then just sits back and watches it all erupt. Every Sunday he goes around each housemate, makes a snide comment or preaches nastily about someone he doesn't like, hoping they will nominate him/her? It's amusing watching it, especially as the others are to thick to notice it.

He's very clever that man. A clever, manipulative evil snob.

However, as someone mentioned on here. He does seem to think he's a black man 2nd and a white snob 1st. Science is right he shouldn't bring colour in to it. It's about your character and personality. If you don't like him fine, but to say that Science makes him want to join the BNP, or it's no wonder people are racist if they see the behaviour of Science..blah blah. Get a a grip on reality old man! His comments are disgraceful.

[Slartibartfast]

I'd agree that he is clever, manipulative and a snob. But not that he is evil, it's a game and he's playing it well, not a sign of evil.

And as Science said, no need to bring colour into it, which is why I didn't mention that in my post. At worst, Derek's comments are hyperbole, but I can accept he seems to have some issues with colour.

[bananarama]

@ backtherighthorse said:- I think everyone is forgetting that this is a game show. I doubt very much that Derek would behave the way he does in the house in real life.


Well different guests on BBLB who know Dereck have said he is exactly the same in real life. I believe them. He is using his nasty personality to play a good game I admit. The fact he is playing a game does not change the fact he has an ugly dog eat dog personality in real life. To hero worship the likes of Thatcher is self evident of his true character.....

Science is a simple simon character with no real character.......He just makes himself noticed by shouting and shouting and being as irritating as possible.

I would not want any of the characters in there to be a roll model. Anthon is probably the most normal out of them all. Kemal is a disgrace to sexuality as a whole...Makosi is just a walking lie machine. Craige...Well he leaves one speachless..
Eugine once again speechless...

[AndyJK]

Weve got into a right old class war here, havent we :laugh:. As usual poor Derek gets attacked for <shock horror> speaking the Queen's English and representing the upperclasses, or as the working class refer to as 'Toffs'. Go back to your council houses, you dole scroungers. I like Derek not only because he is a Tory but he also likes fox hunting. That alone gets my support without considering what tricks he gets up to in the house. He has every right to take the morale highground in the house and tell off the other housemates for stepping out of line because he is, contrary to what bananarama said, an erudite man who has kept a war from breaking out betwee housemates and been honest more or less from the start. Its only the commoners, liberals and lefties that dislike Derek because he represents the aristocracy. Well, they can just bloody well sod off. Peasants.

And yes, I admit I loathe most northern English accents (except Geordie). I consider it an affliction to talk with Manchester, Liverpool and Leeds accents. That girl speaking with I imagine to be a Lancs accent in the porchettas adverts makes my skin itch.

As for Science fans, Im sure there are a few of them who aren't obsessed and copy his mannerisms, however, I still think a lot of young people will immitate his aggressive style because they are not brought enough to think for themselves.

[coltrane]

I'm 47 & I don't want to copy him - I WOULD like my sons to have SCIENCE'S caring inner nature than the arrogance of "your" man Derek OR CRAIG'S manipulative ruthlessness & disregard for others in the name of profit & personal gain! This world is screwed up enough by manipulating evil cold & calculating a$$holes & pompous bigots!! YA get me!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[Kore]

i like science and dereks arguements.

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by coltrane
I'm 47 & I don't want to copy him - I WOULD like my sons to have SCIENCE'S caring inner nature than the arrogance of "your" man Derek OR CRAIG'S manipulative ruthlessness & disregard for others in the name of profit & personal gain! This world is screwed up enough by manipulating evil cold & calculating a$$holes & pompous bigots!! you get me!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

I dont understand what you mean by profit and personal gain. All of the housemates will get something when they leave the house. You seem to think theres some conspiracy afoot to get rid of Science who, as far as I can see, creates his own problems. All of the housemates have shown a caring side yes, even your man, so you could have said any of the housemates. But more importantly, Science has also shown the most aggression out of the housemates. And thats bad.

And as for pompous bigots, well, thats a bit rich considering Science's overt homophobia throughout the series.

[coltrane]

Some seek but never find, those that have, want more, the moreyou have the less you want anyone else to have anything. Some give, a lot more take - some say what they have to say out in the open and stand by their word, most do it behind people's backs then deny when caught, some have to fight & work for little, others are handed plenty- what's worse, homophobia or racism? - What's the difference between the two - homosexuality is popular, accepted & rewarded Racists are never called to question, but left to do as they will, those who start with less have more gratitude & humility, those given most expect much more. Watch closer - I think provoked is more apt than creates - Science is no saint, but there is a heart within. not a swinging brick. It takes a lot not to fight back when attacked, Science hasn't had the chance to learn yet, he's had to fight to survive, while most of his attackers have been spoon fed. Before you ask - or assume, I don't see colour, but those who choose to, would see me as white - I'm not the only one who sees a conspiracy, & it has not just been Science, others have fallen to the pack before him, it's just his turn -

[GlitterEyes]

I agree with some of the comments and i think Science isnt setting a good example for young people watching. Science is self obsessed and has no respect for anyone in the house. The way he shouts and over rides every single housemate is disrespectful completely and the boy is an idiot. I have really started hating Science at the moment nearly as much as i hate Makosi. Science the great...i think not.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Weve got into a right old class war here, havent we :laugh:. As usual poor Derek gets attacked for <shock horror> speaking the Queen's English and representing the upperclasses, or as the working class refer to as 'Toffs'. Go back to your council houses, you dole scroungers. I like Derek not only because he is a Tory but he also likes fox hunting. That alone gets my support without considering what tricks he gets up to in the house. He has every right to take the morale highground in the house and tell off the other housemates for stepping out of line because he is, contrary to what bananarama said, an erudite man who has kept a war from breaking out betwee housemates and been honest more or less from the start. Its only the commoners, liberals and lefties that dislike Derek because he represents the aristocracy. Well, they can just bl***y well sod off. Peasants.

And yes, I admit I loathe most northern English accents (except Geordie). I consider it an affliction to talk with Manchester, Liverpool and Leeds accents. That girl speaking with I imagine to be a Lancs accent in the porchettas adverts makes my skin itch.

As for Science fans, I'm sure there are a few of them who aren't obsessed and copy his mannerisms, however, I still think a lot of young people will immitate his aggressive style because they are not brought enough to think for themselves.

What a charming man you have shown yourself to be:rolleyes:. Your use of comments like "Go back to your council houses you dole scroungers" are deeply offensive, not to mention inaccurate. I am not a dole scrounger, and I own my own house, but unlike you I don't believe that it makes me a better person than anyone else.

You say Derek has stopped war breaking out between the housemates? What a joke. Derek causes most of the problems - he loads the bullets for other people to fire, for example the way he went on and on at Kemal to have a go at Orlaith the other night. Incidentally, I don't think people dislike Derek because of the way he speaks - maybe they don't like the fact that he's a snob?

You criticise people because you think they like Science because of the way he speaks (you seem unable to provide any evidence to back up this assertion however), yet you have indicated that you like Derek because of the way he speaks. Same thing really.

On another thread you called yourself a neutral observer to the show - yeah looks like it:mad:

If you don't like Science, fair enough. We all like and dislike different housemates for different reasons, but I think you are exceptionally rude to call the people on this board "peasants" and "dole scroungers." How dare you claim to know anything about anybody on this board, other than what they have posted here?

As for your comments about regional accents, and considering it an affliction to speak with a Lancashire accent, I consider it YOU are the one who is afflicted, as you are unable to look past the accent and listen to what people are saying. You make sweeping generalisations about people, based on what housemate they like, and openly admit that you like someone purely because they are a fan of fox hunting. Your opinion on fox hunting is not the issue here - however, the fact that you are prepared to like someone because of their accent and their hobby, without even looking at what they are like as a person says a lot about you.

If you think we're all such 'peasants' (your words), why do you bother to come here? Surely you don't believe that we are worthy of your great presence. That's the impression you give anyway.:mad:

[AndyJK]

Well I dont mind coming here fraternizing with the working class peasants for a while. :laugh:

Seriously, I didnt start the class war, Ruth, Im merely defending the honour of the upper classes. Ive noticed quite a few derogatory comments aimed at Derek because of how he speaks and his posh roots. Quite unfair, I think, and I was just seeing what would happen when I tried the same tactic by knocking the other end of the class system and making sweeping statements which you obviously took exception to. :joker:

Of course I dont think all working class people are dole scroungers and some northern accents arent that horrendous, but if people are going to bring up class and accents into this discussion then you can hardly moan when the shoes on the other foot. :bigsmile:

Originally posted by coltrane
Some seek but never find, those that have, want more, the moreyou have the less you want anyone else to have anything. Some give, a lot more take - some say what they have to say out in the open and stand by their word, most do it behind people's backs then deny when caught, some have to fight & work for little, others are handed plenty- what's worse, homophobia or racism? - What's the difference between the two - homosexuality is popular, accepted & rewarded Racists are never called to question, but left to do as they will, those who start with less have more gratitude & humility, those given most expect much more. Watch closer - I think provoked is more apt than creates - Science is no saint, but there is a heart within. not a swinging brick. It takes a lot not to fight back when attacked, Science hasn't had the chance to learn yet, he's had to fight to survive, while most of his attackers have been spoon fed. Before you ask - or assume, I don't see colour, but those who choose to, would see me as white - I'm not the only one who sees a conspiracy, & it has not just been Science, others have fallen to the pack before him, it's just his turn -

Science chooses to go on the offensive and starts the bickering. Youre implying hes on the receiving end and having to defend himself which isnt true. I have studied Science very carefully and although sometimes he can be quite nice, he has been extremely rude.

[Ruth]

AndyJK, I've never knocked Derek for having money or the way he speaks. Maybe others have, I don't know. I do however think Derek's a snob, which I dislike.

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Ruth
AndyJK, I've never knocked Derek for having money or the way he speaks. Maybe others have, I don't know. I do however think Derek's a snob, which I dislike.

I never said you did.

My comments were mostly a swipe at those who wish to look down on Derek because hes a Tory toff.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Originally posted by Ruth
AndyJK, I've never knocked Derek for having money or the way he speaks. Maybe others have, I don't know. I do however think Derek's a snob, which I dislike.

I never said you did.


No I know you didn't. I do respect your opinions, even if I don't agree with them.:spin2:

[harry]

I don't think Science is the yoof of today in general terms but I do think he would be wise to listen to Eugene and sometimes Derek in respect of having a good debate, getting your points across without an all of shouting match.

Science is probably very intelligent and just fustrated because he doesn't know how to get his point across.

I don't much like him myself but these are just my thoughts

[coltrane]

Well said Ruth, they're the kind of messages Derek is putting across in the house and you rightly slaughtered them & exposed this hypocrite! Well written!

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::hello:

[Ruth]

Cheers coltrane:thumbs:

[nyameko]

science to listen to who? derek .derek may be posh as some people see him but i have lost respect for him .it does matter even if science leaves tomorow

[Ruth]

I hope Science stays - Derek will be so unbearably smug if he goes, and I can't wait to see the looks on Craig and Derek's faces if Orlaith goes. Derek has fallen into the trap of thinking that because he has money, he is superior to the others, and he's wrong. For example, when he and Science were arguing in the bedroom and Derek was saying that everyone in the house felt the same way about Science (can't remember the exact words he used) and Makosi said that she didn't want to be included in that. Derek hated the fact that she wouldn't go along with what he wanted her to do - he couldn't believe that she even had the nerve not to back him up.

I do think Science would do himself some favours if he stopped shouting so much, but on last night's highlights show (20/7/05) you could see that he was at least attempting to make amends, but nobody was prepared to listen. At the end of the day(!) I think Science is a nicer person than Derek by far, he does have genuine compassion for others, unlike Derek who uses other people's anguish to further his own cause.

[OPL73]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by AndyJK
Weve got into a right old class war here, havent we :laugh:. As usual poor Derek gets attacked for <shock horror> speaking the Queen's English and representing the upperclasses, or as the working class refer to as 'Toffs'. Go back to your council houses, you dole scroungers. I like Derek not only because he is a Tory but he also likes fox hunting. That alone gets my support without considering what tricks he gets up to in the house. He has every right to take the morale highground in the house and tell off the other housemates for stepping out of line because he is, contrary to what bananarama said, an erudite man who has kept a war from breaking out betwee housemates and been honest more or less from the start. Its only the commoners, liberals and lefties that dislike Derek because he represents the aristocracy. Well, they can just bl***y well sod off. Peasants.

And yes, I admit I loathe most northern English accents (except Geordie). I consider it an affliction to talk with Manchester, Liverpool and Leeds accents. That girl speaking with I imagine to be a Lancs accent in the porchettas adverts makes my skin itch.

As for Science fans, I'm sure there are a few of them who aren't obsessed and copy his mannerisms, however, I still think a lot of young people will immitate his aggressive style because they are not brought enough to think for themselves.

What a charming man you have shown yourself to be:rolleyes:. Your use of comments like "Go back to your council houses you dole scroungers" are deeply offensive, not to mention inaccurate. I am not a dole scrounger, and I own my own house, but unlike you I don't believe that it makes me a better person than anyone else.

You say Derek has stopped war breaking out between the housemates? What a joke. Derek causes most of the problems - he loads the bullets for other people to fire, for example the way he went on and on at Kemal to have a go at Orlaith the other night. Incidentally, I don't think people dislike Derek because of the way he speaks - maybe they don't like the fact that he's a snob?

You criticise people because you think they like Science because of the way he speaks (you seem unable to provide any evidence to back up this assertion however), yet you have indicated that you like Derek because of the way he speaks. Same thing really.

On another thread you called yourself a neutral observer to the show - yeah looks like it:mad:

If you don't like Science, fair enough. We all like and dislike different housemates for different reasons, but I think you are exceptionally rude to call the people on this board "peasants" and "dole scroungers." How dare you claim to know anything about anybody on this board, other than what they have posted here?

As for your comments about regional accents, and considering it an affliction to speak with a Lancashire accent, I consider it YOU are the one who is afflicted, as you are unable to look past the accent and listen to what people are saying. You make sweeping generalisations about people, based on what housemate they like, and openly admit that you like someone purely because they are a fan of fox hunting. Your opinion on fox hunting is not the issue here - however, the fact that you are prepared to like someone because of their accent and their hobby, without even looking at what they are like as a person says a lot about you.

If you think we're all such 'peasants' (your words), why do you bother to come here? Surely you don't believe that we are worthy of your great presence. That's the impression you give anyway.:mad:


Here, here! Very well written. I can not believe the verbal diarrhoea that was written by Andy and the other joker above. Who seem to writing these stements for a reaction.

It has nothing to do with Derek's accent or upper class roots! It's the snobbery. He does think he's better than everyone else. And to say a number of things as outlandish as:

'Science makes me hate black people' '
Science makes me want to join the BNP'
'If anything, I'm racist against my own kind'
'Go back to where you came from'
'Get back to the Cole mines'

Amazing statements. Why is he seeing the colour or class? Why not just say he dislikes them. This is Racist or discriminatory. If a white person said these things to Science you would call them racist.

Those are the reasons why I dislike Derek.

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by OPL73

Here, here! Very well written. I can not believe the verbal diarrhoea that was written by Andy and the other joker above. Who seem to writing these stements for a reaction.


I stand by every word of it. Youre obviously the Science of forum boards incapable of listening to others with differening opinions of your own. My point is that there are people who dislike Derek, not because he is a snob, but because he is a> A Tory b> likes fox hunting c> speaks with a posh accent d> represents the upper classes.

I do ask myself why Derek is being rebuked for innocent comments hes made towards Science regarding his colour, yet black people refer to each other as '*******' and which is commonly used in rap music across the world. Perhaps you can answer this, oh wise one.

[OPL73]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Originally posted by OPL73

Here, here! Very well written. I can not believe the verbal diarrhoea that was written by Andy and the other joker above. Who seem to writing these stements for a reaction.


I stand by every word of it. Youre obviously the Science of forum boards incapable of listening to others with differening opinions of your own. My point is that there are people who dislike Derek, not because he is a snob, but because he is a> A Tory b> likes fox hunting c> speaks with a posh accent d> represents the upper classes.

I do ask myself why Derek is being rebuked for innocent comments hes made towards Science regarding his colour, yet black people refer to each other as '*******' and which is commonly used in rap music across the world. Perhaps you can answer this, oh wise one.

Not at all, I'm not a Science fan as mentioned previously on this thread if you care to look. I'm not a big fan of anyone. You're just being very dogmatic and irrotating, which I am taking offence to.

Oh and for the record I am black (of mixed heritage) and I take offence to Derek's comments. I also hate the word '******' and rap music so don't tar everyone with the same brush.

Lastly, I liked Derek up until about two weeks ago when his nasty side came out more and more.

[OPL73]

PS. Derek being from the so called upper class, a fox hunter, and a gay black man has FA to do with it. In fact I found all this amusing. It made his personality interesting and a fascinating housemate to watch. Infact, I think if I was in the house I would probably find myself talking to him because of this. However, it's his nasty, snide and snobby comments I currently have a problem with.

[AndyJK]

Ive accepted that Derek does come across a bit of a snob. This is more to do with the age gap than anything else and taking on the role as Mother hen to a group of youngsters. I also acknowledge his comments towards Science were strong and inappropriate but I dont think they were meant to be seen as racist. In the past few weeks, Science has pushed Derek to the absolute limit by provoking him into making reactional statements (as youve mentioned). Lets not forget Derek was very keen to take Science under his wing and help him in the beginnning which has been thrown back in his face because of Science's appallingly bad attitude and disrespect for people. How can anyone calling themselves 'Science' to project a man of intellect resort to childish behaviour and name calling as he did by calling Derek "a ****ing prick".

And as for being "dogmatic", Ive never made statements intended to be taken for fact. They are only my opinions deduced from logical reasoning of a show that is watched religiously by millions of people. They are my views not representative of any organisation or group, and people are more than welcome to agree or disagree with them.

And to back up my points which youve clearly refuted, Ive been reading some of the text messages in support of Science flashing across the screen like: "keep Science in der house, yer get me". That is proof if any that somebody has used a well known Science phrase.

[bananarama]

Why is Dereck being classified as "Upper class".?? Speaking posh does not make the man upper class. It does make the man look exactly what most tories are and that is a fraud.

Dereck is not upper class as that would be an insult to real upper class who are generally civilised and tolorent people minus snobbery. Dereck pretends to be upper class by using the same type of "silly for morons only Queens English that no one in there right mind should have any respect for. Dereck is so far up himself it's a wonder he has not gone into orbit.

The Dereck's of this country do far more harm to the Tory party that even the demon Thatcher could do. The Dereck's give the tory party the image of being rich snobbish goons and deter voters from considering the Tory party as a credible mind set to believe in. For that I thank Dereck. Long may he continue to help destroy the Tories.....:devil::devil:

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by bananarama
Why is Dereck being classified as "Upper class".?? Speaking posh does not make the man upper class. It does make the man look exactly what most tories are and that is a fraud.


Thats a bit of a sweeping statement! Ill have you know Im a Conservative voter and not ashamed to admit it either. :mad:

As for Baroness Thatcher, the woman is a Godess who saved this country from economic ruin! I worship the ground she walks on. Only daft northerners pining for the old days of working a mile underground shovelling coal resent what she did. Sod the miners!

[bananarama]

Thats understandable conservatives have little shame at the best of times.:laugh::laugh: PS. I was actually refering to conservative MP's not the votors. The votors are simply gullable. Used to be one myself. Yes i used to be conservative and have now seen the error of my ways.:laugh:

[Tanser_Man]

Ahh i can't be bothered to read these essays.

Science sucks.

[bananarama]

ditto

[Ruth]

Andy the sort of text speak you refer to is used by loads of people, and sent in by supporters of all the housemates, not just Science. I'm sure you've come on here deliberately to wind people up and get a reaction; you've got you wanted haven't you?

[Ruth]

Actually text speak really annoys me, I can't understand it at all. But loads of people use text speak, not just fans of Big Brother, and certainly not just fans of Science.

As for people using his catchphrase 'yer get me', it's only the same as when people picked up on Maxwell's phrase 'off the hook' and used it. I wouldn't take it too seriously.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
Ahh i can't be bothered to read these essays.

Science sucks.

I would rather read these well constructed paragraphs that actually explain people's points of view than just the I hate such and such housemate. At least then you can have a proper debate.

[AndyJK]

I cant help those few members bothered enough to read my long-winded boring posts getting wound up over them. I believe tmy comments to be fair and justified even if nobody else doesnt. And although Ive come out in defence of Derek over his actions and believe he deserves to win, I still consider myself impartial without banging a drum for certain housemates. If Derek does anything I deem out of order I will say so.

To be honest, I cant remember a single BB series where Ive constantly changed my views on the housemates, and Ive seen them all - even BB 4 :sleep:. Science had every chance to prove himself this week to demonstrate that he is an erudite man of intellect and knowledge but he failed - spectacularly.

His mad fans havent helped me deciding either.:bored:

[Dan_]

Originally posted by AndyJK
I cant help those few members bothered enough to read my long-winded boring posts getting wound up over them. I believe tmy comments to be fair and justified even if nobody else doesnt. And although Ive come out in defence of Derek over his actions and believe he deserves to win, I still consider myself impartial without banging a drum for certain housemates. If Derek does anything I deem out of order I will say so.

To be honest, I cant remember a single BB series where Ive constantly changed my views on the housemates, and Ive seen them all - even BB 4 :sleep:. Science had every chance to prove himself this week and demonstrate that he is an erudite man of intellect and knowledge but he failed - spectacularly.

His mad fans havent helped me deciding either.:bored:

I was like you the account of pretty much changing my views on housemates on a daily basis throughout this series and now I dislike the majority of them and I am tired of the show to be honest.

If you were truly impartial then you would not favour any housemate but it seem's clear that you do indeed favour Derek in the way that you have spoke at length about the different things about him that you like and you seem attached to him due to his political views, hobbies and class.

I don't like the way you seem to pocket all science fans in one group as mad people, some may well be but the fact remains that he has varying levels of support from a good number of people.

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by BB fernzy

I was like you the account of pretty much changing my views on housemates on a daily basis throughout this series and now I dislike the majority of them and I am tired of the show to be honest.

If you were truly impartial then you would not favour any housemate but it seem's clear that you do indeed favour Derek in the way that you have spoke at length about the different things about him that you like and you seem attached to him due to his political views, hobbies and class.

I don't like the way you seem to pocket all science fans in one group as mad people, some may well be but the fact remains that he has varying levels of support from a good number of people.

Ive never said all Science fans are mad. Thats ridiculous. I just think a large proportion of his young fan base are (if that helps).

I like Derek but even I will admit some of his mannerisms and snobbery can be a little off-putting. But of course Derek's political views and love for fox hunting immediately make me warm to him than the other housemates.

[Z]

Hello.

I am also from the upper class of Britain *seriously*. I do not support fox hunting. I don't support the Tories. I don't have a problem with homosexuals or black people.

AndyJK.

Your comments about "go back to your council houses you dole scroungers"... Was it meant to be a joke? *I'm asking a question*

Nobody looks down on Derek because of his class, and if they do they are maybe just jealous, I don't know. You could say they have a problem with him because he's black, he's homosexual, he's a member of the Tory party. You could say anything about him. And yet you look down on Science!

Science does NOT represent the youth of today. I am the youth of today, and lemme tell you, rhyming a lot and arguing isn't the half of it!

Has he vandalised anything like Kitten did in BB5? No.

Has he started swearing? Yes, but so has every other housemate bar maybe Eugene.

Has he been a nuisance? Yes, but only to those who find him annoying. He hasn't "loitered", unless you count Craig's rather funny-for-the-wrong-reasons comment the other night.

So maybe he's similar, but he's NOT the representation of the youth of today, he's a young lad who has dreams and aspirations, who is what he is because of his society, which maybe you don't realise, isn't his fault!

[OPL73]

Like having the last word don't you Andy? How old are you anyway? I'm interested to know.

PS- Slightly off topic

Big Brother is draining and exhausting to watch. I dreamt about it last night. I dreamt that Science punched Anthony in the face and was evicted from the Big Brother House!

FFS I think I need a break and to take a step back from it all. It sends people crazy. I hate watching it religiously each night. It's ridiculous and a sad state of affairs. I can't believe I watch such banality. | I need my sleep. I work dammit!!! I'll be glad when it's over.

[OPL73]

Originally posted by Ziola
Hello.

I am also from the upper class of Britain *seriously*. I do not support fox hunting. I don't support the Tories. I don't have a problem with homosexuals or black people.

AndyJK.

Your comments about "go back to your council houses you dole scroungers"... Was it meant to be a joke? *I'm asking a question*

Nobody looks down on Derek because of his class, and if they do they are maybe just jealous, I don't know. You could say they have a problem with him because he's black, he's homosexual, he's a member of the Tory party. You could say anything about him. And yet you look down on Science!

Science does NOT represent the youth of today. I am the youth of today, and lemme tell you, rhyming a lot and arguing isn't the half of it!

Has he vandalised anything like Kitten did in BB5? No.

Has he started swearing? Yes, but so has every other housemate bar maybe Eugene.

Has he been a nuisance? Yes, but only to those who find him annoying. He hasn't "loitered", unless you count Craig's rather funny-for-the-wrong-reasons comment the other night.

So maybe he's similar, but he's NOT the representation of the youth of today, he's a young lad who has dreams and aspirations, who is what he is because of his society, which maybe you don't realise, isn't his fault!

Here, here!

[OPL73]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Ive accepted that Derek does come across a bit of a snob. This is more to do with the age gap than anything else and taking on the role as Mother hen to a group of youngsters. I also acknowledge his comments towards Science were strong and inappropriate but I dont think they were meant to be seen as racist. In the past few weeks, Science has pushed Derek to the absolute limit by provoking him into making reactional statements (as youve mentioned). Lets not forget Derek was very keen to take Science under his wing and help him in the beginnning which has been thrown back in his face because of Science's appallingly bad attitude and disrespect for people. How can anyone calling themselves 'Science' to project a man of intellect resort to childish behaviour and name calling as he did by calling Derek "a ****ing prick".

And as for being "dogmatic", Ive never made statements intended to be taken for fact. They are only my opinions deduced from logical reasoning of a show that is watched religiously by millions of people. They are my views not representative of any organisation or group, and people are more than welcome to agree or disagree with them.

And to back up my points which youve clearly refuted, Ive been reading some of the text messages in support of Science flashing across the screen like: "keep Science in der house, yer get me". That is proof if any that somebody has used a well known Science phrase.

Hi, I am upper class. I live in a mansion in Harrogate, Leeds. I have 100 acres, 10 horses, a barn and 8 cars.

I enjoy fox hunting, snobbery, and looking down my nose at the lower class. I hate common people and want to shoot Tony Blair.

I am very right wing and worship the ground Baroness Thatcher walks on. Although I am not that way inclined, I'd gladly take Dennis's place (God rest his soul) and become her new "companion"

Stupid people annoy me and I don't understand what a "Chav" is and hope never to find out.

I love myself and all my snobby friends and I don't care if I have a double barrel name or that my children are called Tinkerbell and Rupert.

I'm not sure what Butlins or Lanzarote is, but I love holiday's in Africa and our villa in the south of France.

I never give money to the poor as they should get off their council housed, benefit frauding backsides to earn their keep.

I have lots of money and my hubby is a Lord. I love my life and would not change it for anything.

RULE BRITANNIA!!!

[Slartibartfast]

I read thru all those posts, the majority of which seem to have given AndyJK exactly what he wanted; a heated angry response which he can provoke further. But IMO only Banarama has hit the point spot on, Derek isn't really upper class. He's an upstart middle class, middle england wannabe who THINKS he's upper class cos he talks posh and others buy into his self delusion!! (I should note I didn't agree with much else that Banarama said though).

Personally, I don't care about his politics, hobbies, homelife or whatever. I could look back over all the previous BB's and pick my faves, but I'd have no idea what their flippin views on fox hunting were, and what the hell does it matter. Maybe Helen from BB2 (one of my all time favs) favoured a protectionist economic policy and strict immigration control! I don't know or care. My faves in the house are generally picked on those I genuinely like as people (none this year, maybe Eugene) or those that play the game well and screw with other housemates.

And IMO, whatever fecking class he is, Derek is still the best gameplayer in the house, and he's my fave as a result. He's being nasty and manipulating people and turning them against each other. He's easily picked out Science's main weakness (short temper followed by incomprehensible ranting) and so he plays on it. He gets others to provoke him, and for the main Science walks right into it everytime. Derek offered him advice and an ally at the start but when Science screwed him by revealing his secret little comments, he put himself firmly in Derek's sights. If he goes this week it's gotta be down to some degree to Derek but also BB's biased editing.

[AndyJK]

Im sure most members agree with my opinions on Science.

Originally posted by Ziola

AndyJK.

Your comments about "go back to your council houses you dole scroungers"... Was it meant to be a joke? *I'm asking a question*

It was a test to see how members would react as anti-toff comments had gone completely unnoticed. I think I riled a few people up. I didnt start talking about class, politics or Margaret Thatcher, Im just responding to these points which have been raised recently and over the course of the series.

Originally posted by OPL73
Like having the last word don't you Andy? How old are you anyway? I'm interested to know.


Im the wrong side of 30. :bored:

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Originally posted by bananarama
Why is Dereck being classified as "Upper class".?? Speaking posh does not make the man upper class. It does make the man look exactly what most tories are and that is a fraud.


Thats a bit of a sweeping statement! Ill have you know I'm a Conservative voter and not ashamed to admit it either. :mad:

As for Baroness Thatcher, the woman is a Godess who saved this country from economic ruin! I worship the ground

she walks on. Only daft northerners pining for the old days of working a mile underground shovelling coal resent what she did. Sod the miners!


I really resent that comment Andy - I am a "northerner" and feel that you are really beginning to over step the mark. You have no right to differentiate between people because of where they live in the country. We are all of equal status and all have equal rights - especially on this forum and the key to everyone's rights on this forum is that it is an expectation that all members will treat others with respect. You obviously struggle to respect others Andy :mad:

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I really resent that comment Andy - I am a "northerner" and feel that you are really beginning to over step the mark. You have no right to differentiate between people because of where they live in the country. We are all of equal status and all have equal rights - especially on this forum and the key to everyone's rights on this forum is that it is an expectation that all members will treat others with respect. You obviously struggle to respect others Andy :mad:

Its political correctness gone mad I tell yer! :mad: I know its wrong to differentiate between race and colour, but I didnt know now drawing the distinction between north and south of the country was a taboo subject!

Good lord, you northerners are a sensitive lot these days :joker:

[Tanser_Man]

Why aye man!

Let's gan down the toon! :hugesmile:

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
Why aye man!

Let's gan down the toon! :hugesmile:

When Im at work on the phone to my work collegues oop north in Warwick, theyre always taking the mikey out of my accent. I get replies like "alwight aaahs it gaanin me ole mate" Talk about stereotyping me as a character in East-bleeding-enders! (which I hate, by the way) I dont even talk like a cockney. I just laugh if off and ask them about their cloth caps and whippets. :joker:

We need to laugh ourselves in these rotten days of political correctnesss where every little comment is taken as offence. To hell with that nonsense.

[Tanser_Man]

Well yeh, without humour the world would be a very dull place.

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
Well yeh, without humour the world would be a very dull place.

I totally agree. Ive always learned not to take myself seriously. Theres far more important things to worry about than getting riled up over a few friendly jibes over the internet, for goodness sake.

When I used to holiday in Corfu in the mid 1990s there was always a large contingent of people from the north notably from places like Sheffield, Birmingham and Manchester. Me and my mates (all southerners) used to meet up and play them at pool in the bars. I used to say to them theyre only here because of the cheap flights tickets! Then they used to say how lightweight we are at drinking (which we were). Then we'd wind each other up over the football. It was all friendly banter and there certainly wasnt a whiff of nastiness.

But the fact remains there is a divide between north and south as clearly evident at the general election. Its been like that for centuries.

So my message to TiBB members getting all riled up over my comments at those living in the north: Lighten up! http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/froehlich/a013.gif

[Ruth]

AndyJK, I can take a joke and I think most people here can. What I don't like is rudeness, and I think you have been rude and insulting to a lot of people.

You obviously came on here to get a reaction and I almost wish that I hadn't given you one.

You go on about people being obsessed with Science - you're almost as obsessed with Science's fans!

Well done, you got your heated response. I'm done with this thread.

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Ruth
AndyJK, I can take a joke and I think most people here can. What I don't like is rudeness, and I think you have been rude and insulting to a lot of people.

You obviously came on here to get a reaction and I almost wish that I hadn't given you one.

You go on about people being obsessed with Science - you're almost as obsessed with Science's fans!

Well done, you got your heated response. I'm done with this thread.

Ive explained myself quite well and I certainly havent been rude to anyone. I claim victory in this debate. Thanks for your input.

[Ruth]

Oh okay one last post. I think calling people dole scrounging scum and peasants is rude. I knew you'd claim victory - you sound like the sort of person who refuses to believe you could ever be wrong about anything. I don't think you were the victor at all, but I've spent far too much time trying to reason with the unreasonable.

And NOW I'm done.

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Ruth
Oh okay one last post. I think calling people dole scrounging scum and peasants is rude. I knew you'd claim victory - you sound like the sort of person who refuses to believe you could ever be wrong about anything. I don't think you were the victor at all, but I've spent far too much time trying to reason with the unreasonable.

And NOW I'm done.

I never used the word 'scum' and the words I did use werent meant maliciously. I was merely trying (as I keep explaining) to make a point which was that fans of the show, not just on this board, have been descriminating against Derek because of his class, posh voice and thats hes supporter of the Conservative party. Its been mentioned on BBLB, BB's Big Mouth, in text messages on TV and on fan websites such as this and gone completely unnoticed. I just think thats unfair to dislike someone because of this and that is why Derek will not win BB.

And I did stress after I dont think people in the north are dole scroungers or anything like that. Im sorry if this offended anyone. I like the north of the country and people from all parts of the British isles.

[OPL73]

Just can't help yourself can you Andy....that last word thing really is an issue with you. Can't help the sly digs against the lower class.

I find it quite amusing that you are trying to justify what you have written, by saying you were hoping to get a reaction. Yeah right, you meant every word. You have taken great delight in winding up the people on here. So.... kudos' to you for that.

Acutally I'm starting to warm to you, even though you are condescending to our "social status" and pour scorn on us commoners. I am a Northerner and proud of it! It's funny how you "southerners" think we are all farmers, wear flap caps and have menial job's in a factory or down t'pit. Ever been up North? Or are you basing these assumptions on conjecture and hearsay?

I bet you're a Chelsea fan. Or if not a football fan, you love watching a good old game of Rugga (union of course) eh? Or are you more in to Horse Racing and the Yacht club scene? How about a game of Croquet or Polo? Rah rah rah. I bet you also watched the Oxford v Cambridge boat race. Your eyes glued to the TV or swigging your Champers down by Chiswick bridge.

Again I will say back up your arguments.

PS Ever thought of entering the 'Upper Class Twit of the year' Competition. I think you would win 1st prize.

[lily.]

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PS.. I haven't read the half of this thread, because it's so bleedin long!.. I'm just havin the last word to be an Upstart! :rolleyes:

[AndyJK]

Alright you have the last word then. :bigsmile:

[science_to_win]

Originally posted by AndyJK
Reading the support for Science on this board, his fans sum up the scary rap-obsessed young people becoming more prevalent within society. They like Science because he speaks their language: Ghetto talk, which has better results than normal conversation. Right across the country gullible young people watching BB are now mimicking Science to browbeat others into submission. I bet even sales of rap music will go up as more and more people increase their repertoire of gangsta type phrases to browbeat others.

What a sad society weve become. :bored:
That's the most stupid post I've ever read on this forum. I don't speak like him at all and don't wish to. Just because you can't see his qualities doesnt mean others cant. jog on

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by science_to_win

That's the most stupid post I've ever read on this forum. I don't speak like him at all and don't wish to. Just because you can't see his qualities doesnt mean others cant. jog on

Well good for you.

And all the housemates have good qualities, but you have to look hard for Science's. Dont get me wrong, hes an entertaining housemate, but he has an appalling attitude and very little respect for other people.

[science_to_win]

you don't have to look hard at all. with him you get entertainment and good qualities, i cant find much entertainment from others.
i dont want to watch kemal going on and on about makosi, or derek picking the next black person off, or craig masturbating....

[coltrane]

:xyxwave: Well said Ruth, I regret responding too - AndyJK one last reaction for you "SHUT UP!!" "We're bored, We're bored! - Jog On!

[James]

Er, thread locked. I should of probably done it right at the start. Saying a group of a housemate's fans are obsessed really isn't the way to start a reasonable discussion.

IMO.


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