Siavash Support

[setanta]

You see, this is the funniest thing about Siavash supporters and what's really been striking to me on tonights forum. You call him heartbroken becuz Noirin pushed him away after two days together right?

And then Siavash has humilated his girlfriend on live tv and you call it nothing - that everyone makes mistakes. The hyprocrisy is incredible really.

And then to top it all off you state tonight that he's finally realised how much he's hurt his girlfriend, a girlfriend you were so quick to dismiss up until now.It's stunning the lengths you lot will go to in your defence of him, contradicting yourselves entirely at every turn.

[BONNEIP]

He's a sleeze bag, his ex is well rid. I hope he doesn't win BB if he doe's he should be made give the winnings to charity...as he's stated thats his plan. Davina's first question should be which charity would you like the cheque made out too, on your dehalf. :sad::bored::yuk:

[boomoo]

I strongly suspect that Siewash has spent way more time with Noirin than he has with his so called girlfriend.

He actually believed that Noirin more than liked him. They talked about what they were going to do when they got outside the BB house.

BB knew that the whole matter distressed him and yet BB delivebately repeated the episode to humiliate him some more. It has now taken up 4 days of the last week. Surely they could have concentrated on something funny.
But no Siewash was to be punished by them . The other housemates said they should have picked another topic.
Was it not enough that they had him dressed in a leotard and stilleto heels? He has worn this without complaint despite the fact the shoes are crippling.

[setanta]

I strongly suspect that Siewash has spent way more time with Noirin than he has with his so called girlfriend.

He actually believed that Noirin more than liked him. They talked about what they were going to do when they got outside the BB house.

BB knew that the whole matter distressed him and yet BB delivebately repeated the episode to humiliate him some more. It has now taken up 4 days of the last week. Surely they could have concentrated on something funny.
But no Siewash was to be punished by them . The other housemates said they should have picked another topic.
Was it not enough that they had him dressed in a leotard and stilleto heels? He has worn this without complaint despite the fact the shoes are crippling.

That literally has nothing to do with the thread I posted.

[HalfwitFTW]

Yes he was heartbroken, and yes he made a mistake.

How is that hypocritical? :conf:

[King Gizzard]

:sleep:

[setanta]

Yes he was heartbroken, and yes he made a mistake.

How is that hypocritical? :conf:

Not him, you lot. Did you even read it? And no, he's not heartbroken.

[HalfwitFTW]

Yes he was heartbroken, and yes he made a mistake.

How is that hypocritical? :conf:

Not him, you lot. Did you even read it? And no, he's not heartbroken.

Yes how is us saying he is heartbroken and he made a mistake hypocritical of us?

[MissKittyFantastico]

Yes he was heartbroken, and yes he made a mistake.

How is that hypocritical? :conf:

Not him, you lot. Did you even read it? And no, he's not heartbroken.

I think you need to explain better exactly how his fans are being hypocritical because I've reread your OP a few times now and it doesn't actually make a lot of sense?

Not having a dig here I just think you could make it clearer, where is the hypocrisy?

[GypsyGoth]

Yea setanta, it's not like you to be soo obscure.

[setanta]

Right plain English

Norin kicks him to the curb after 2 days = Aww poor Siavash

Siavash humiliates girlfriend of a month = Whatever everyone makes mistakes and sure she's a bit of a bi£ch. Not much of a relationship anway.

Siavash states he's hurt his ex tonight = Aww, Siavash realises what hes done. Suddenly this girl is important again in your defence of Siavash when you had relegated her to an insincere wannabe. It's actually hilarious and totally hypocritical.

[WAYNEEBRUM]

Great post again Setanta,the hypocrisy of his fans is quite unbelievable at times.

[GypsyGoth]

I don't use that ex g/f as a defence against the ones who attack Siavash on this forum.

I don't rate her at all, to me Noirin meant more to him than her.

Also he spent far more time with Noirin than that other bitch.

Siavash caring about this supposed ex's feelings shows what a good soul he has.

[WAYNEEBRUM]

Siavash caring about this supposed ex's feelings shows what a good soul he has.

a good soul wouldnt try it on with a girl who a mate really likes

[HalfwitFTW]

Right plain English

Norin kicks him to the curb after 2 days = Aww poor Siavash
Siavash humiliates girlfriend of a month = Whatever everyone makes mistakes and sure she's a bit of a bi£ch. Not much of a relationship anway.

Siavash states he's hurt his ex tonight = Aww, Siavash realises what hes done. Suddenly this girl is important again in your defence of Siavash when you had relegated her to an insincere wannabe. It's actually hilarious and totally hypocritical.



I've never said his girlfriend is not feeling heartbroken, maybe she was, so how is us saying Siavash is feeling heartbroken hypocritical?

Yes Noirin made a mistake by hurting Siavash, but we have also admitted Siavash made a mistake by hurting his girlfriend... again, how is that hypocritical?

Yes I still think he wasnt that serious about his girlfriend, if he was serious about her he wouldnt have cheated on her, just because he wasnt serious about her that doesnt mean he shouldnt feel remorse for hurting another human being. Yes he did feel remorse tonight. How is us saying that being hypocritical?

I'm still not seeing the hypocrisy? And I have never called his gf a wannabe or a bitch, all I've said is she should have some maturity and class and wait for Siavash to come out to discuss their personal issues with him in private.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Ok.....

Noirin kicked him to the curb and he was upset, yes poor Siavash because he genuinely liked the girl a lot (he had been living with her 24/7 for 8 weeks at this point which equates to probably 6 months of time outside the house of being with someone). He also risked upsetting the girl he was seeing on the outside, however serious or not serious it was so he was taking a HUGE chance with Noirin, she led him a merry dance then dropped him so yes feel sorry for him.

He humiliates his girlfriend of one month, never said this was okay for him to do, but can just see how it might happen, especially if this girl he was seeing for only 4 short weeks (which could only equate to 2 dates per week for example) and you then compare this to the amount of time spent in a pressure cooker environment with someone he obviously fancied/liked a great deal. But yes he ****ed up, noone is disputing that are they?

Tonight isn't the first time he has realised what he has done, he has spoken to other HM's and in the DR about it on several occasions, and said how bad he feels. So nothing sudden about it at all. But it's understandable why he may be panicking now, as they are so close to the end, and he is going to have to face the music. He has also had the thing shoved down his throat for the past few days due to the renenactment task they had, so it's made him think about it in greater detail. He's only human, of course he's going to be worried about what's waiting for him outside the house.

Should he have thought about that BEFORE he went there with Noirin, yes, so he only has himself to blame, but he is only human, humans make mistakes. Some of us seem to be capable of realising that and cutting the guy some slack, obviously you can't.

[GypsyGoth]

Siavash caring about this supposed ex's feelings shows what a good soul he has.

a good soul wouldnt try it on with a girl who a mate really likes

But his friend liking a girl doesn't mean that the friend has some sort sole rights to that girl.

Its the girls choice.

Noirin said "no" to Marcus, so was she meant to remain alone in the house despite desiring companionship?

Siavash was right to make a move on Noirin, it was what she wanted, she chose him.

[WAYNEEBRUM]

Siavash caring about this supposed ex's feelings shows what a good soul he has.

a good soul wouldnt try it on with a girl who a mate really likes

But his friend liking a girl doesn't mean that the friend has some sort sole rights to that girl.

Its the girls choice.

Noirin said "no" to Marcus, so was she meant to remain alone in the house despite desiring companionship?

Siavash was right to make a move on Noirin, it was what she wanted, she chose him.
Come on,you dont try it on with someone a friend is after,you just dont unless your a slimeball.He didnt even have the balls to tell him.Yet you call him a good soul??
Its this sort of blind allegience that has irritated me about Siavash fans,he can do know wrong.

[Viper29]

You see, this is the funniest thing about Siavash supporters and what's really been striking to me on tonights forum. You call him heartbroken becuz Noirin pushed him away after two days together right?

And then Siavash has humilated his girlfriend on live tv and you call it nothing - that everyone makes mistakes. The hyprocrisy is incredible really.

And then to top it all off you state tonight that he's finally realised how much he's hurt his girlfriend, a girlfriend you were so quick to dismiss up until now.It's stunning the lengths you lot will go to in your defence of him, contradicting yourselves entirely at every turn.

I am not a supporter or non supporter of Siavash, however the way I see it is he wasn't just upset about Noirin ditching him for Isaac, I do believe that played a part yes.
However I think it was a mixture of things if I'm honest.
Noirin discarding him without a second thought, when Siavash obviously liked her.
The realisation that he had just been made a complete fool of on National TV.
The realisation that he had done the same to his ex-gf outside.
The fact that he would have to live in the house with them and the embarrassment of kissing a guys ex-gf and her just ignoring him and running back to the ex once he came in.

It is a very nasty, awkward and embarrassing situation to be in, and yes it was self inflicted, but Siavash has never denied it was, and hasn't shied away from the fact it happened.
He was completely embarrassed again when BB deliberately played that episode in, as it was a very raw moment, and I believe he wasn't milking it, it looked like he was genuinely majorly uncomfortable with the whole thing.
I know if I ever was in that position (which I will never be in)the last thing I'd want is to see myself doing it on TV, knowing the public have seen the same thing, and then have the HMs re-enact the situation.

[HalfwitFTW]

Siavash caring about this supposed ex's feelings shows what a good soul he has.

a good soul wouldnt try it on with a girl who a mate really likes

Marcus didnt 'really like' Noirin though, he has said so himself plenty of times.

[HalfwitFTW]

Come on,you dont try it on with someone a friend is after,you just dont unless your a slimeball.He didnt even have the balls to tell him.Yet you call him a good soul??
Its this sort of blind allegience that has irritated me about Siavash fans,he can do know wrong.

And with Siavash haters, he can do no right.

Now who is being hypocritical?

[GypsyGoth]

Come on,you dont try it on with someone a friend is after,you just dont unless your a slimeball.He didnt even have the balls to tell him.Yet you call him a good soul??
Its this sort of blind allegience that has irritated me about Siavash fans,he can do know wrong.

I know he is a good soul dispite his flaws. And yes he does make mistakes, he isn't perfect.

But at least he considers his options, thinks what is the right thing to do.

He is loyal to his friends.

Noirin was a free agent.

Marcus didn't own Noirin. So I don't get how he was crossing some boy code. Please explain.

[dixiebell1991]

i used to like Siavash (pre Norin). Nothing to do with Norin, but 'after norin'
he totally became a victim and stared speaking in a totally pathetic limp voice and started with all the pretend sacrificial **** (i will put myself for eviction, i will walk, we should not nominate, i am jesus, i am a pee nurse etc etc). anyways - I'm concerned that his ex girlfriend is an artis employed by satchi and satchi (worlds biggest art wank hype company) and so may milk the whole siavash bullshit situation to a great extanet. Theres not much news around big brother this year but they together with backing my yoink up some rubish for media coverage.

[WAYNEEBRUM]

Come on,you dont try it on with someone a friend is after,you just dont unless your a slimeball.He didnt even have the balls to tell him.Yet you call him a good soul??
Its this sort of blind allegience that has irritated me about Siavash fans,he can do know wrong.




Marcus didn't own Noirin. So I don't get how he was crossing some boy code. Please explain.


Are you serious?i dont know how old you are but you have a lot to learn if you dont know that to go behind your friends back and start a relationship with someone who they have been after for ages
is just wrong.Think about it.

[dixiebell1991]

He is loyal to his friends.

Noirin was a free agent.

Marcus didn't own Noirin. So I don't get how he was crossing some boy code. Please explain.



If your friend fancies a girl and totally nosedives and crumbles about her then it is not very 'loyal to your friend' to jump in and try and get her for yourself. When it came down to it siavash did not give a $hit about friends or girlfriends and ignored everything except his hairy a$$ desire to get off with norin. If I was marcus, or his girlfriend i would feel totally let down by that and would consider all his pathetic waffling and actions to be worthless and the bloke a fake. goodbye.

Would you like me to explain anything else

[GypsyGoth]

Are you serious?i dont know how old you are but you have a lot to learn if you dont know that to go behind your friends back and start a relationship with someone who they have been after for ages
is just wrong.Think about it.

I am serious and I don't see what my age has to do with this.

If I went behind my friends back and got off with a guy, who she had been chasing for ages, and he kept saying "no" to her.

My friend would probably thank me for ending that sorry charade.

Just because Marcus was after Noirin, doesn't mean she was powerless to chase someone else.

[GypsyGoth]

If your friend fancies a girl and totally nosedives and crumbles about her then it is not very 'loyal to your friend' to jump in and try and get her for yourself. When it came down to it siavash did not give a $hit about friends or girlfriends and ignored everything except his hairy a$$ desire to get off with norin. If I was marcus, or his girlfriend i would feel totally let down by that and would consider all his pathetic waffling and actions to be worthless and the bloke a fake. goodbye.

Would you like me to explain anything else

Yes please explain why what Noirin wants isn't part of your explanation.

Siavash and Noirin fancied each other.

Marcus was smothering Noirin like a duvet for weeks. She didn't want a relationship with him.

She chose Siavash.

What is soo wrong about that?

[WAYNEEBRUM]

Are you serious?i dont know how old you are but you have a lot to learn if you dont know that to go behind your friends back and start a relationship with someone who they have been after for ages
is just wrong.Think about it.






Just because Marcus was after Noirin, doesn't mean she was powerless to chase someone else.
Why are you talking about Noirin?She can do what she wants its Siavash(the good soul) im talking about.

[GypsyGoth]

Why are you talking about Noirin?She can do what she wants its Siavash(the good soul) im talking about.

Fine, Siavash has seen his friend humiliated by a girl for a few weeks, she continually rebuffs him.

Why should Siavash feel that Noirin is in some way bound to Marcus.

Marcus didn't consult Siavash before chasing Noirin, why should Siavash extend Marcus any such courtesy.

I don't see the rule off friendship that Siavash is meant to have stepped over.

[WAYNEEBRUM]

Why are you talking about Noirin?She can do what she wants its Siavash(the good soul) im talking about.

Fine, Siavash has seen his friend humiliated by a girl for a few weeks, she continually rebuffs him.

Why should Siavash feel that Noirin is in some way bound to Marcus.

Marcus didn't consult Siavash before chasing Noirin, why should Siavash extend Marcus any such courtesy.

I don't see the rule off friendship that Siavash is meant to have stepped over.:mad:

Why are you talking about Noirin?She can do what she wants its Siavash(the good soul) im talking about.




I don't see the rule off friendship that Siavash is meant to have stepped over.
:mad:

Why are you talking about Noirin?She can do what she wants its Siavash(the good soul) im talking about.

Fine, Siavash has seen his friend humiliated by a girl for a few weeks, she continually rebuffs him.

Why should Siavash feel that Noirin is in some way bound to Marcus.

Marcus didn't consult Siavash before chasing Noirin, why should Siavash extend Marcus any such courtesy.

I don't see the rule off friendship that Siavash is meant to have stepped over.:mad:

Why are you talking about Noirin?She can do what she wants its Siavash(the good soul) im talking about.




I don't see the rule off friendship that Siavash is meant to have stepped over.

[WAYNEEBRUM]

oops sorry for that.Dont ban me vicky lol

[setanta]

You lot have gone way off topic in your defence of Siavash when all I've been trying to illustrate is the hypocrisy of his fans- continually seeing it from his point of view and spinning it in his favour. Tonight's show and the reactions on the forum is evidence of it, when you had very flippantly dismissed his ex for a month or so and now all of a sudden you claim he's sore over it all, a few days before the end. Thats your main excuse for his actions.

His motivations are not my concern right now anyway; it's your motivations. Do I have to go back a few days in the posts to find the comments where you lot said she was a wannabe and that she's not worth it and that Siavash was right to turn his back on her? Must I illustrate the comments where you said it's only a month, no big deal? You've all said things like this. And now all of a sudden he shows a sudden bout of remorse - total bull by the way - and you go awwww, lovely Siavash, when you and he had forgotten her or just plain ridiculed her for quite some time. I'm talking about your hyprocrisy right now, not his.

[Vicky.]

oops sorry for that.Dont ban me vicky lol

For what :shrug:

[GypsyGoth]

I did call said g/f a wannabe and fame hungry, I still think she is.

The fact that he thinks of her and regrets dumping her on tv, doesn't make me change my opinion of her. It just illustrates his capacity to think of others.

[WAYNEEBRUM]

anyway its been fun,im goin for a jog.

[GypsyGoth]

anyway its been fun,im goin for a jog.:hug: Night, see you tomorrow.

[setanta]

I did call said g/f a wannabe and fame hungry, I still think she is.

The fact that he thinks of her and regrets dumping her on tv, doesn't make me change my opinion of her. It just illustrates his capacity to think of others.

But again, you're changing the goalposts. One rule for Siavash, another for the rest. What about her feelings when he decided to have a fling with Noirin and spoke about their future together on national tv? Why has he suddenly decided, a day before the end to show his remorse when he'll be out the door soon anyway? You'll twist it any old way to put him in a good light.

[MissKittyFantastico]

I did call said g/f a wannabe and fame hungry, I still think she is.

The fact that he thinks of her and regrets dumping her on tv, doesn't make me change my opinion of her. It just illustrates his capacity to think of others.

But again, you're changing the goalposts. One rule for Siavash, another for the rest. What about her feelings when he decided to have a fling with Noirin and spoke about their future together on national tv? Why has he suddenly decided, a day before the end to show his remorse when he'll be out the door soon anyway? You'll twist it any old way to put him in a good light.

You really don't read what anyone says do you?

He's shown remorse numerous times before the past 2 days, both in the DR and to fellow HM's.

He's panicking now more so because it's so near to the end and he's got to go out and face the music.

What's so hard about that to understand exactly?

And also I was one of the first to say it was wrong for him to do what he did with Noirin when it happened.

I do think his ex is milking it, especially based on the fact that she herself has admitted now it was a casual thing, but I never said it was totally okay what he did, quite the opposite.

You say we twist things, but you don't even take in what we say it seems to me, just keep rehashing the same old same old and calling us totally biased.

[setanta]

I did call said g/f a wannabe and fame hungry, I still think she is.

The fact that he thinks of her and regrets dumping her on tv, doesn't make me change my opinion of her. It just illustrates his capacity to think of others.

But again, you're changing the goalposts. One rule for Siavash, another for the rest. What about her feelings when he decided to have a fling with Noirin and spoke about their future together on national tv? Why has he suddenly decided, a day before the end to show his remorse when he'll be out the door soon anyway? You'll twist it any old way to put him in a good light.

You really don't read what anyone says do you?

He's shown remorse numerous times before the past 2 days, both in the DR and to fellow HM's.

He's panicking now more so because it's so near to the end and he's got to go out and face the music.

What's so hard about that to understand exactly?

I'm not talking about his motivations - I'm talking about yours and the hypocrisy of your comments if you compare the ones now from a few days ago. There's no logic or balance in them.

But you're right about one thing.... he's panicking and embarrassed, but not heartbroken and remorseful as some would have us think.

[GypsyGoth]

But again, you're changing the goalposts. One rule for Siavash, another for the rest. What about her feelings when he decided to have a fling with Noirin and spoke about their future together on national tv? Why has he suddenly decided, a day before the end to show his remorse when he'll be out the door soon anyway? You'll twist it any old way to put him in a good light.

If their relationship was real, then yea of course I feel sorry for her, it is a terrible experience to be cheated on.

Yes he was wrong to give into temptation and be with Noirin.

Having siad that, I still like him and want him to win, for me he is the best of them.

He has often spoke of his ex, remember after the magazine task. Also I'm sure we miss soo much not having live feed.

And I don't twist facts to put him in a good light, I'm just trying to get across to you, why I see him in a good light.

[MissKittyFantastico]

But I've already pointed out to you the fact that not all of us have been hypocritical but you still keep telling us we are.

So this is really going nowhere.

Again you are generalising and tarring every Siavash supporter with the same brush.

[setanta]

But again, you're changing the goalposts. One rule for Siavash, another for the rest. What about her feelings when he decided to have a fling with Noirin and spoke about their future together on national tv? Why has he suddenly decided, a day before the end to show his remorse when he'll be out the door soon anyway? You'll twist it any old way to put him in a good light.

If their relationship was real, thrn yea of course I feel sorry for her, it is a terrible experience to be cheated on.

Yes he was wrong to give into temptation and be with Noirin.

Having siad that, I still like him and want him to win, for me he is the best of them.

He has often spoke of his ex, remember after the magazine task. Also I'm sure we miss soo much not having live feed.

And I don't twist facts to put him in a good light, I'm just trying to get across to you, why I see him in a good light.

But you have changed your opinions of his ex right now becuz he's demanded that of you with his shameless antics in the diary room - you see it all through his eyes. His relationship with this girl was irrelevent to you a day ago and now it's come to the fore again and you've totally changed your stance on the matter. Can't you see the contradiction?

[setanta]

But I've already pointed out to you the fact that not all of us have been hypocritical but you still keep telling us we are.

So this is really going nowhere.

Again you are generalising and tarring every Siavash supporter with the same brush.

Do you want me to search through your comments and find a few where you dismissed his girlfriend and where you felt sorry for Siavash in how Noirin treated him?

[GypsyGoth]

My hand is sore from typing and I'm too tired.

[MissKittyFantastico]

But I've already pointed out to you the fact that not all of us have been hypocritical but you still keep telling us we are.

So this is really going nowhere.

Again you are generalising and tarring every Siavash supporter with the same brush.

Do you want me to search through your comments and find a few where you dismissed his girlfriend and where you felt sorry for Siavash in how Noirin treated him?

I've not denied that I said I felt sorry for him over the Noirin thing, nor have I denied the fact that I've said that I think this Laura girl is milking it, so what would be the point in you doing that when I've already admitted I've said both things?

I have NOT said however that it was perfectly okay what he did, EVER.

Why are you only choosing to see what you want to see when I am proving you wrong every time by not denying anything?

[setanta]

The point is that you've suddenly claimed he's worrying about his ex, an ex that didn't cost you a thought really beforehand, but now that Siavash is acting with remorse you'll choose to defend him over it. It's a contradiction which is further highlighted by your willingness to lambast Noirin over her fling with him and to criticise his ex over her antics. There's no logic to it. You'll accept anything that Siavash says or does, even if it totally refutes your claims from earlier on in the series.

[MissKittyFantastico]

The point is that you've suddenly claimed he's worrying about his ex, an ex that didn't cost you a thought really beforehand, but now that Siavash is acting with remorse you'll choose to defend him over it. It's a contradiction which is further highlighted by your willingness to lambast Noirin over her fling with him and to criticise his ex over her antics. There's no logic to it. You'll accept anything that Siavash says or does, even if it totally refutes your claims from earlier on in the series.

Oh my God. Seriously.

How many times have I now said that

#1 I said right from the start he was wrong to give in to his feelings for Noirin when he was seeing this Laura on the outside.

#2 It's NOT the first time he's shown remorse at all.

#3 I've not denied that I've said this Laura is milking it.

#4 I've not lambasted Noirin. Yes she did lead him on and there's no denying that, but she was single. He wasn't.

Once again you have proved that you don't actually listen to anything anyone says that goes against your way of thinking, same as it was in the thread of last night, funnily enough that was about Siavash as well.

Should have known better than to come in this thread and actually expect a reasonable debate with someone who twists everything that I say. :rolleyes:

I'm starting to think that you just thrive off the attention making these kind of posts brings you.

[setanta]

Nice attack Kitty. Don't come into my threads if you're just going to have pops. And yes, a large majority of you have been hugely hypocritical tonight. One rule for Siavash and his fans, another for others.

[Vicky.]

Nice attack Kitty. Don't come into my threads if you're just going to have pops. And yes, a large majority of you have been hugely hypocritical tonight. One rule for Siavash and his fans, another for others.

She didnt come in just to have a pop though.

She tried to get her point across and you insisted on twisting everything, true to form...even though again and again she proved that she was not being hypocritical in any form.

Dont make threads if you cant take people having a different opinion to yours. Goes both ways.

[setanta]

Of course it does but it is true that they had dismissed her totally and now that she's back in Siavash's thoughts they choose to readily accept it and his remorse. Compare this to his treatment of her when he was flirting with Noirin and there's a huge gulf in understanding and of their balance of sympathies. It's a contradiction.

[Vicky.]

Of course it does but it is true that they had dismissed her totally and now that she's back in Siavash's thoughts they choose to readily accept it and his remorse. Compare this to his treatment of her when he was flirting with Noirin and there's a huge gulf in understanding and of their balance of sympathies. It's a contradiction.

What you dont seem to get though, is not all Siavash supporters are the same.

Sure, you will get some who twist everything to make him out to be perfect, sure you will get some who even claim he is jesus...but they are in the minority.

Most accept that he did something wrong, whilst acknowledging that him and his girlfriend were not together very long so it wasnt exactly a serious relationship, but note that Laura will feel bad, feel sorry for him because of noirin dropping him, whilst also accepting that it was his own fault for getting into the situation in the first place.

Yes a few people, myself included(but not ALL his fans) were saying that they hadnt been together long, in partial defense, however, he will still be upset looking back on it that he has hurt someone, who he obviously liked otherwise he wouldnt be with her in the first place, due to his selfish actions, especially after having it thrown back in his face by BB like he did. He will also likely be bricking it because he knows it is coming to the end and he will have to face the music and explain himself.

To say all siavash supporters are hypocritical is ridiculous. Especially making out that kitty is AFTER she provided you with evidence that she was not.

[setanta]

Of course it does but it is true that they had dismissed her totally and now that she's back in Siavash's thoughts they choose to readily accept it and his remorse. Compare this to his treatment of her when he was flirting with Noirin and there's a huge gulf in understanding and of their balance of sympathies. It's a contradiction.

What you dont seem to get though, is not all Siavash supporters are the same.

Sure, you will get some who twist everything to make him out to be perfect, sure you will get some who even claim he is jesus...but they are in the minority.

Most accept that he did something wrong, whilst acknowledging that him and his girlfriend were not together very long so it wasnt exactly a serious relationship, but note that Laura will feel bad, feel sorry for him because of noirin dropping him, whilst also accepting that it was his own fault for getting into the situation in the first place.

Yes a few people, myself included(but not ALL his fans) were saying that they hadnt been together long, in partial defense, however, he will still be upset looking back on it that he has hurt someone, who he obviously liked otherwise he wouldnt be with her in the first place, due to his selfish actions, especially after having it thrown back in his face by BB like he did. He will also likely be bricking it because he knows it is coming to the end and he will have to face the music and explain himself.

To say all siavash supporters are hypocritical is ridiculous. Especially making out that kitty is AFTER she provided you with evidence that she was not.

Yes, I understand all that, but I'm talking about the major shift in sympathies here that coincides with his new antics in the diary room. It's not all black and white - I know that- but certainly the majority of their sympathy has rested with Siavash and been influenced by his actions alone. That's completely evident from tonights show and their response to it.

[Vicky.]

Yes, I understand all that, but I'm talking about the major shift in sympathies here that coincides with his new antics in the diary room. It's not all black and white - I know that- but certainly the majority of their sympathy has rested with Siavash and been influenced by his actions alone. That's completely evident from tonights show and their response to it.

But this is because he is the one we are watching, not her. Had we seen her reaction to the whole thing, then things might have been different...as it happens, we didnt, and the woman we saw was not one who was upset, she was one who appeared to be milking the split for all it was worth, and, not that this has anything to do with anything, I would bet on the fact that they get back together for the mag deals anyway...I honestly think she has been happy for the publicity.

I do see people who see no wrong in anything he does, the same as people who CANT see right in anything he does....and its fecking annoying, but there are fanatics like that for every single housemate. And yet again I dont see any threads being made about them. Only siavash supporters.

[setanta]

Yes, I understand all that, but I'm talking about the major shift in sympathies here that coincides with his new antics in the diary room. It's not all black and white - I know that- but certainly the majority of their sympathy has rested with Siavash and been influenced by his actions alone. That's completely evident from tonights show and their response to it.

But this is because he is the one we are watching, not her. Had we seen her reaction to the whole thing, then things might have been different...as it happens, we didnt, and the woman we saw was not one who was upset, she was one who appeared to be milking the split for all it was worth, and, not that this has anything to do with anything, I would bet on the fact that they get back together for the mag deals anyway...I honestly think she has been happy for the publicity.

I do see people who see no wrong in anything he does, the same as people who CANT see right in anything he does....and its fecking annoying, but there are fanatics like that for every single housemate. And yet again I dont see any threads being made about them. Only siavash supporters.


Yes, but there is no denying that there's been a shift here in their sympathies becuz of how he's acted, don't you think? I can see it anyway. It's not me saying they love Siavash and hate everyone else; it's me saying that they will favour Siavash and his interpretation of events over anyone else. That's clear from last night..... suddenly feeling sorry for his ex and sharing in his remorse, you know? That's a huge change in where the majority - and I say majority here so that Kitty is not on my back again - of their sympathy lay prior to this and contradicts how they viewed events a day ago.

[Vicky.]

I obviously have not seen what you have then because I havent noticed a difference in opinion about his ex.

Ive seen people say that HE obviously feels bad about what he did, since he was upset about it, but not anyone saying they feel sorry for her, at all. Or feel any more sorry for him. Unless I read that wrong...which is entirely possible as that doesnt seem like something you would write...

He has expressed remorse before today also..I really think BB has just worn him down recently, plus he is scared that he will have to face up to it...maybe thats me being naive, but if it is, I dont really care to be honest, thats just how I am.

Also, you must bear in mind that we see snippets of diary room conversations, so it could well be (not that Im saying it happened, but it MAY have) that he WAS set on going and BB persuaded him to stay. We saw like 5 minutes of an hour and a half long conversation, god knows what he was talking about for the rest of the time. BB has a habit of editing things and only showing things that will stir up feelings in people, to make sure the program is talked about, its almost like a soap this year as all we see is edits(:rolleyes:). Again I'm not saying this happened, just it might have.

And yes, really you should have said the majority of his supporters in the beginning...

[setanta]

Its all about where they placed the majority of their sympathies during the course of the show... with him after the Noirin thing first of all which lasted 2 days when he had a girlfriend of a month, which they were willing to forgive you kno? And now when he talks about her again, they accept it and feel sympathy for her along with him while before they defended his position and basically ridiculed her. I find that funny. It's about where they place the majority of their support and it's directly influenced by his actions and feelings, u know? Anyway, I'm rambling sorry.

[Vicky.]

Well no, as I recall he wasnt forgiven for cheating, infact most of his fans blasted him for it...however when noirin did the same thing to him, of course people will feel more sympathy, as as I said, we actually SAW what it did to him. Does this make sense to you? If Laura had been in the house, we would no doubt have felt no/less sympathy for siavash as we would have seen what the whole thing did to HER also, so the majority of the sympathy would have lain with her. As it happened, around that time she was not in the public eye, nor were we watching her reaction or feelings on the HL show. Out of sight out of mind, kind of, but most still felt some sort of sympathy for her.

Noone ever forgot what he did to her, or denied that he should feel bad about it, which he has, and has expressed on numerous occasions...however because the HL show last night dedicated time to highlight the fact that he was upset about laura, it has brought it back to the front of peoples minds.

Also I never saw anyone ridicule laura for being cheated on on TV, quite the opposite. The reason she appeared to be getting so much stick was because she said she wanted nothing else to do with him(understandable) but then went on to appear at a lot of BB shows, sticking the knife in, which is fair, obviously she will want revenge...but it just seemed she was so glad of the publicity...if she was so ashamed, upset and embarassed about being cheated on(which again would be understandable) then no way would she keep going on shows like BM to bring it up again and again when it would be so raw. This is what most people find so hard to grasp.

Plus, the fact that they were infact together only a month, so it is unlikely to be a serious relationship. yes this was used in his 'defence' about cheating with noirin...and now people are sympathising with him because he feeling guilty about cheating...this does not mean the relationship was infact serious, it does mean that he has a conscience though. And is worried about hurting anyone, he did it, and cant take it back, but he is still entitled to feel guilty, as most of us would were we in the same situation, whether we were in a serious relationship at the time or not.

[setanta]

Yes, but the majority of sympathy was always given to Siavash or to his plight. That's my main issue here. And they did ridicule his ex by questioning the extent of their relationship together and deriding her for being on every show. Most of the sympathy was always with Siavash and still is - he is the one who's deciding how they feel about certain things. Like you said, she was out of sight, out of mind. And as for him mentioning her- rarely happened before this and I don't remember him being particularly worried when he was making a show of her on national tv, while whispering sweet nothings into Noirin's ear. But as I said, with Siavash's fans, they'll see it mostly through Siavash's eyes.

[Vicky.]

As I said though, the reason he is recieving so much sympathy is because we watched his public ridicule. We did not watch hers. And its hardly ridiculing her questioning how serious the relationship is, or wondering why she is on every show after saying she wanted nothing more to do with him, or the whole thing. Its a very valid question...I'm sure had i been publicly humiliated like that I would not be milking the situation for all it was worth in the media, if I was so upset and embarassed that it had happened. but everyone handles things differently I guess.

And he has mentioned it quite a few times before today, both to the other HMs and in the diary room, just you obviously chose not to hear it.

He is not deciding how I feel about anything, I still feel the same about the situation as I always have. I cant speak for others, but I doubt they are so easily lead as to have someone they have never met decide their feelings on something. It comes down to how you are as a person, forgiving, or not. You are obviously the latter and have never made a mistake in your life.

But again, you dont want to see the other side of the arguement, so no point in talking. You just assume that you are always right and all siavashs fans are just blind to his faults. Which is not the case, as has been pointed out hundreds of times before, yet you continue to say it is. I fear im banging my head off a brick wall even attempting to understand this, when it should be relatively simple for you to see...if Laura had been in the house, and we had seen her breakdown the way he did, she would have more sympathy. We can only go on what we see, and while he was indeed in the wrong for doing what he did, he was also wronged by noirin, who it turns out just lead him up the garden path because she was bored, Karma some might say. Which again, is why he appears to be getting more sympathy...because we saw it.

[setanta]

Of course it's ridiculing her when you question the extent of their relationship, a relationship that you have said he's mentioned from time to time, but it has hardly left him forlorn and dying with shame up until now. That's what so interesting: it's not about his mistakes or their mistakes or my mistakes that I'm interested in here..... it's the balance of sympathy and how it's been transfered in accordance to how Siavash is feeling at a given time. Because you see him, you believe him and your loyalty stays the same.

And it's a contradiction because you're using the very relationship that you insisted on being shoddy or questionable to defend Siavash now; a relationship that he had destroyed earlier on in the show by being with Norin. And yet everytime the balance of sympathy always shifts in Siavash's favour.

[Vicky.]

I never questioned the relationship though, merely said that it is unlikely to be serious, as they had been together such a short time. Which I still believe, but why should he not be feeling guilty, no matter how long the relationship has been? In his eyes, he 'ridiculed' and dumped a girl on TV. I would say thats a normal thing to feel guilty about, wouldn't you?

[MiuMiu]

Of course it's ridiculing her when you question the extent of their relationship, a relationship that you have said he's mentioned from time to time, but it has hardly left him forlorn and dying with shame up until now. That's what so interesting: it's not about his mistakes or their mistakes or my mistakes that I'm interested in here..... it's the balance of sympathy and how it's been transfered in accordance to how Siavash is feeling at a given time. Because you see him, you believe him and your loyalty stays the same.

And it's a contradiction because you're using the very relationship that you insisted on being shoddy or questionable to defend Siavash now; a relationship that he had destroyed earlier on in the show by being with Norin. And yet everytime the balance of sympathy always shifts in Siavash's favour.

Very nice post.
:thumbs:

[masonbason]

You see, this is the funniest thing about Siavash supporters and what's really been striking to me on tonights forum. You call him heartbroken becuz Noirin pushed him away after two days together right?

And then Siavash has humilated his girlfriend on live tv and you call it nothing - that everyone makes mistakes. The hyprocrisy is incredible really.

And then to top it all off you state tonight that he's finally realised how much he's hurt his girlfriend, a girlfriend you were so quick to dismiss up until now.It's stunning the lengths you lot will go to in your defence of him, contradicting yourselves entirely at every turn.

I have come nothing less than inane posts from you,,let me find holes in your arguments..

1. Heartbroken, right did i say that anywhere being a siavash fan.. wrong..

2. humiliated his girlfriend.. right, its more like humiliating himself on tv,, his girlfriend is happy to be bbbm...

3. You state tonight?? who, did i say that...dont make general sweeping assumptions..

4, stunning the lengths you lot will go to in your defence of him, blah blah blah,, seeing this i just think you are a windup merchant..

so when raising posts, say something sensible next time..

[obviously02]

ahhhh welll

life goes on!

Its not like he was married or anything, he is a young guy and i dont blame him.

Siavash to win

[setanta]

You see, this is the funniest thing about Siavash supporters and what's really been striking to me on tonights forum. You call him heartbroken becuz Noirin pushed him away after two days together right?

And then Siavash has humilated his girlfriend on live tv and you call it nothing - that everyone makes mistakes. The hyprocrisy is incredible really.

And then to top it all off you state tonight that he's finally realised how much he's hurt his girlfriend, a girlfriend you were so quick to dismiss up until now.It's stunning the lengths you lot will go to in your defence of him, contradicting yourselves entirely at every turn.

I have come nothing less than inane posts from you,,let me find holes in your arguments..

1. Heartbroken, right did i say that anywhere being a siavash fan.. wrong..

2. humiliated his girlfriend.. right, its more like humiliating himself on tv,, his girlfriend is happy to be bbbm...

3. You state tonight?? who, did i say that...dont make general sweeping assumptions..

4, stunning the lengths you lot will go to in your defence of him, blah blah blah,, seeing this i just think you are a windup merchant..

so when raising posts, say something sensible next time..

No mason, I'm saying that whatever the situation, even if it collides with certain assumptions that have been made beforehand, the majority of your sympathy will always be given up to Siavash.

[UglyBaby]

I'll be effing disgusted if that hairy, waffling creep wins. Who the hell is voting for him...and why?

His popularity has baffled me from the start. He's just annoying and tedious. And full of utter BS.

[akira]

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[MissKittyFantastico]

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