Karly's lame excuse for Rabbitgate

[brian3]

When asked on the BB reunion show. Karly said she used to do the rabbit impression because Marcus looks like a dinosaur?

[cleaner67]

Yeah right

[eye sea]

I'd never heard of being calling a 'rabbit' before.

Bizarre..

[ricky2k9]

Yeah I found that werid. Everyone else thinks he looks like Wolverine.

[Niamh.]

Yeah I found that werid. Everyone else thinks he looks like Wolverine.

It was Sophie who originally said that her and Karly used to do that dinasaur thing. She told that to Noirin while they were still in the house

[Chantel]

Lame excuse for a lame person

[ILoveTRW]

Siavash made the whole thing up, why can't anyone else see that

[Vicky.]

Siavash made the whole thing up, why can't anyone else see that

If he made it up, why is karly coming up with excuses for it?

[Niamh.]

Siavash made the whole thing up, why can't anyone else see that

I don't think he made it up, I think he actually thought it but was probably wrong

[Niamh.]

Siavash made the whole thing up, why can't anyone else see that

If he made it up, why is karly coming up with excuses for it?



Sophie said the dinasaur thing first before Karly

[setanta]

Siavash was shooting his mouth off as per usual, like he did with Tom and the can of cider or larger.

[MissKittyFantastico]

The fact is, Karly, Kris, Sophie, Lisa and Charlie DID have that name for her, it was on LF one night when they were sat at the bus stop and they were discussing how Noirin jumped from group to group like a rabbit.

And why would Karly and others still be bothered if there was no truth in it anyway?

[Vicky.]

Siavash made the whole thing up, why can't anyone else see that

If he made it up, why is karly coming up with excuses for it?



Sophie said the dinasaur thing first before Karly

Well obviously then wires just got crossed...he didnt make anything up, but he got the wrong end of the stick...shouldn t have said anything though unless he was certain.

[Niamh.]

Siavash was shooting his mouth off as per usual, like he did with Tom and the can of cider or larger.

Don't let your dislike of Siavash cloud your judgement calls Setanta!! They were obviousely doing the rabbit/dinasaur impressions cos both Sophie & Karly admitted it, so he was either right or got the wrong end of the stick but he didn't make it up cos they admitted to doing it!

[Luanda]

Siavash had seen Karly and Sophie hopping around in the manner of a Tyrannosaurus Rex and interpreted it as a rabbit. He then relayed that to Noirin.

That's all there is to it.

[Niamh.]

The fact is, Karly, Kris, Sophie, Lisa and Charlie DID have that name for her, it was on LF one night when they were sat at the bus stop and they were discussing how Noirin jumped from group to group like a rabbit.

And why would Karly and others still be bothered if there was no truth in it anyway?


I wish they'd bothered their arses to look it up and show it then!! Of course they were so against Siavash anyway they wanted people to think he was lying!

[ILoveTRW]

Siavash made the whole thing up, why can't anyone else see that

If he made it up, why is karly coming up with excuses for it?



maybe because they did do that, but the 2 things are total unconnected

when siavash was asked who said it at the reunion he kept saying well people were thinking that she went from group to group

he came up with the rabbit analogy and tried to blame it on Karly.

[MissKittyFantastico]

The fact is, Karly, Kris, Sophie, Lisa and Charlie DID have that name for her, it was on LF one night when they were sat at the bus stop and they were discussing how Noirin jumped from group to group like a rabbit.

And why would Karly and others still be bothered if there was no truth in it anyway?


I wish they'd bothered their arses to look it up and show it then!! Of course they were so against Siavash anyway they wanted people to think he was lying!

I'm not saying that Siavash overheard this convo though, they may have had it at other times as well and he did but we will never know. He seemed to be basing it on the rabbit/dinosaur impression, but again we may not know the full story of his convo with Noirin when he told her. That's the problem when things are so heavily edited.

[Luanda]

Nobody ever stated that Noirin went from group to group. Siavash saw the dinosaur thing and interpreted it as the rabbit/group to group thing.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Nobody ever stated that Noirin went from group to group. Siavash saw the dinosaur thing and interpreted it as the rabbit/group to group thing.

They actually did though. At least one conversation was had between the people I mentioned above and they all likened her to a rabbit, apart from Charlie who said she was like a butterfly.

[Vicky.]

he came up with the rabbit analogy and tried to blame it on Karly.

Well if she had done nothing wrong, she would have just said that, instead of coming up with some lame excuse like the 'dinosaur' thing. Im sure if it had been me, I would just say nothing like that was ever said, if it hadnt.

None of the people involved have denied it really, only came up with things that he could have interpreted as the rabbit thing, seems very strange if it was all just made up, dont you think?

[Niamh.]

Nobody ever stated that Noirin went from group to group. Siavash saw the dinosaur thing and interpreted it as the rabbit/group to group thing.

How do you know that they didn't say it though?? Remember we couldn't see what happened for most of everyday

[ILoveTRW]

Siavash saw no dinosaur thing, he just made the rabbit thing up, but it just so happened that they had done a dinasour impression and it was his escape root to make out that it was all a big misunderstanding

HE WAS A NASTY PIECE OF WORK

[J-Rock]

The fact is, Karly, Kris, Sophie, Lisa and Charlie DID have that name for her, it was on LF one night when they were sat at the bus stop and they were discussing how Noirin jumped from group to group like a rabbit.

And why would Karly and others still be bothered if there was no truth in it anyway?


Yes, this.

[ILoveTRW]

he came up with the rabbit analogy and tried to blame it on Karly.

Well if she had done nothing wrong, she would have just said that, instead of coming up with some lame excuse like the 'dinosaur' thing. Im sure if it had been me, I would just say nothing like that was ever said, if it hadnt.

None of the people involved have denied it really, only came up with things that he could have interpreted as the rabbit thing, seems very strange if it was all just made up, dont you think?

all karly could think of that could of given him the wrong impression is the dinasour impression

[Luanda]

Nobody ever stated that Noirin went from group to group. Siavash saw the dinosaur thing and interpreted it as the rabbit/group to group thing.

How do you know that they didn't say it though?? Remember we couldn't see what happened for most of everyday

Because it was never said by the housemates either inside or outside the house. Take it at face value that Siavash interpreted it incorrectly. Those conspiracy theorists who think otherwise probably think Timmy Mallett was behind 9/11.

[setanta]

Siavash was shooting his mouth off as per usual, like he did with Tom and the can of cider or larger.

Don't let your dislike of Siavash cloud your judgement calls Setanta!! They were obviousely doing the rabbit/dinasaur impressions cos both Sophie & Karly admitted it, so he was either right or got the wrong end of the stick but he didn't make it up cos they admitted to doing it!

But the whole thing is he wasn't sure, just like he wasn't sure about Tom. He shouldn't be waffling about what such and such said unless he's 100% convinced that they had said it. Better to just warn Noirin about her behaviour rather than throwing in names.

[Niamh.]

Nobody ever stated that Noirin went from group to group. Siavash saw the dinosaur thing and interpreted it as the rabbit/group to group thing.

How do you know that they didn't say it though?? Remember we couldn't see what happened for most of everyday

Because it was never said by the housemates either inside or outside the house. Take it at face value that Siavash interpreted it incorrectly. Those conspiracy theorists who think otherwise probably think Timmy Mallett was behind 9/11.

We only got to see an hours H/Ls and when they were in bed at night so how would you know what was and wasn't said in there??

[Niamh.]

Siavash was shooting his mouth off as per usual, like he did with Tom and the can of cider or larger.

Don't let your dislike of Siavash cloud your judgement calls Setanta!! They were obviousely doing the rabbit/dinasaur impressions cos both Sophie & Karly admitted it, so he was either right or got the wrong end of the stick but he didn't make it up cos they admitted to doing it!

But the whole thing is he wasn't sure, just like he wasn't sure about Tom. He shouldn't be waffling about what such and such said unless he's 100% convinced that they had said it. Better to just warn Noirin about her behaviour rather than throwing in names.

Maybe you're right but I do think he just was trying to be a friend to Noirin when he said it

[Vicky.]

Siavash saw no dinosaur thing, he just made the rabbit thing up, but it just so happened that they had done a dinasour impression and it was his escape root to make out that it was all a big misunderstanding

HE WAS A NASTY PIECE OF WORK

Oh ok then. Where did you get your 24/7 live feed?

I wish I knew about that at the time

[MissKittyFantastico]

Nobody ever stated that Noirin went from group to group. Siavash saw the dinosaur thing and interpreted it as the rabbit/group to group thing.

How do you know that they didn't say it though?? Remember we couldn't see what happened for most of everyday

Because it was never said by the housemates either inside or outside the house. Take it at face value that Siavash interpreted it incorrectly. Those conspiracy theorists who think otherwise probably think Timmy Mallett was behind 9/11.

We only got to see an hours H/Ls and when they were in bed at night so how would you know what was and wasn't said in there??

The thing is several people on here including myself DID see the convo on LF when they said it. Of course none of them are going to come out and admit it now because they lied their asses off during Bunnygate and would look bad if they changed their story now.

[Niamh.]

The thing is several people on here including myself DID see the convo on LF when they said it. Of course none of them are going to come out and admit it now because they lied their asses off during Bunnygate and would look bad if they changed their story now. [/rquote]

I wish I'd seen it! But I do think that Siavash believed it and was only trying to warn Noirin

[Vicky.]

Because it was never said by the housemates either inside or outside the house. Take it at face value that Siavash interpreted it incorrectly. Those conspiracy theorists who think otherwise probably think Timmy Mallett was behind 9/11.

And its hardly a conspiracy theory...

And another one with LF this year...tell me, where did you get it?

How could you possibly know that it wasnt said?

Fair enough, he wasnt 100% certain...he shouldnt have said anything if he wasnt, he could have warned her but not mentioned names or made out he knew exactly what was said, but noone can know if it WAS said or not. And people who reckon they know everything about this situation are just bullsh***ting really.

[Vicky.]

The thing is several people on here including myself DID see the convo on LF when they said it. Of course none of them are going to come out and admit it now because they lied their asses off during Bunnygate and would look bad if they changed their story now.

I personally didnt see this, but i have no reason to believe you are lying.

Though you will most likely be called a liar though, because you arent making him out to be the devil :rolleyes:

[ILoveTRW]

Siavash saw no dinosaur thing, he just made the rabbit thing up, but it just so happened that they had done a dinasour impression and it was his escape root to make out that it was all a big misunderstanding

HE WAS A NASTY PIECE OF WORK

Oh ok then. Where did you get your 24/7 live feed?

I wish I knew about that at the time

if they had of said anything they would of shown it in the highlights show or at least shown it on bblb or bbbm after the whole fiasco came to light

remember that BB has staff that log every word the housemates say so all they would have to do it type in the word rabbit and find the clip.

[Luanda]

It was never said she was a rabbit. Siavash merely interpreted things incorrectly. Did Mo assassinate Kennedy?

[MissKittyFantastico]

The thing is several people on here including myself DID see the convo on LF when they said it. Of course none of them are going to come out and admit it now because they lied their asses off during Bunnygate and would look bad if they changed their story now.

I personally didnt see this, but i have no reason to believe you are lying.

Though you will most likely be called a liar though, because you arent making him out to be the devil :rolleyes:

Yes and I'm biased and make things up to suit the situation. :laugh:

I do agree if Vash didn't actually hear the convo or another one like it he should have kept his mouth shut, it seems he was going off the rabbit/dinosaur impression he saw some of them do. Although I'm sure he did just say 'people might say you're like a rabbit' then when Noirin wouldn't let it drop he named names. Their faces when it all came out spoke volumes though, especially Kris and Karly's, they all looked guilty as hell and rightly so seeing as they did call her that lol.

[yousoboo!]

what a big fuss about nothing!! hahaha.

[setanta]

And let's get down to the crux of the matter.... what's fecking wrong with calling her that if they did? I mean Siavash and his lot have said things regarding other housemates too so why did he feel it necessary to waffle on and on and on about it?

[Vicky.]

if they had of said anything they would of shown it in the highlights show or at least shown it on bblb or bbbm after the whole fiasco came to light

remember that BB has staff that log every word the housemates say so all they would have to do it type in the word rabbit and find the clip.
Yeah, because they would be sure to do that, just to make it clear that siavash wasnt lying wouldnt they? I mean, they showed such love for him in the spin off shows, it just wouldnt do to have some people think he was a liar would it? :rolleyes:

Had it been charlie or david, who said it, they would no doubt have found the footage and showed it on BBLB, but it was someone they obviously didnt like...go figure.

[Vicky.]

And let's get down to the crux of the matter.... what's fecking wrong with calling her that if they did? I mean Siavash and his lot have said things regarding other housemates too so why did he feel it necessary to waffle on and on and on about it?



Yes...was it him who overreacted to it? No, he told her what he though, and she went off on one...or is it his fault that noirin overreacted now? He told her something as a friend and she went overboard, you cant blame him for her reaction.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Siavash didn't waffle on and on and on about it though, he told Noirin something in confidence and she stabbed him in the back and made the whole big hoo ha about it.

He's only brought it up again when he's been questioned about it.

With hindsight he probably wishes he had just kept his mouth shut.

[Beastie]

what a big fuss about nothing!! hahaha.

Thats noirin for you. She should have just kept it to herself but no.. she fed the information to the wolves!

[setanta]

And let's get down to the crux of the matter.... what's fecking wrong with calling her that if they did? I mean Siavash and his lot have said things regarding other housemates too so why did he feel it necessary to waffle on and on and on about it?



Yes...was it him who overreacted to it? No, he told her what he though, and she went off on one...or is it his fault that noirin overreacted now? He told her something as a friend and she went overboard, you cant blame him for her reaction.

I'm not championing Noirin here (the girls a wench); I'm just saying that he shouldn't have mentioned names and he brought it up for no reason other than to cement her as his ally within the house because she was moving from party to party too much for his liking. There really was no need to bring it up in the first place.

[WOMBAI]

Yeah I found that werid. Everyone else thinks he looks like Wolverine.

Only the sheep! :laugh2:

[MJBFAN]

Siavash had seen Karly and Sophie hopping around in the manner of a Tyrannosaurus Rex and interpreted it as a rabbit. He then relayed that to Noirin.

That's all there is to it.

Charlie even admitted that he called Noirin a social butterfly in that whole Rabbitgate argument so something was said or noted to make Siavash say something, although I think he should have kept it to himself until he had better proof.

[mrs-big]

I think Siavash just got the story mixed up,

But was there any need for Karly and Sophie to take the piss out of Marcus?

[headaball]

I actually thought Siavash got it wrong until they came up with this dinosaur bollox to be honest. If they had no problem saying they had that nickname for Marcus in his presence on Sunday's bblb then why couldn't they have said it during rabbitgate?

[blue-stairs-rock-x]

Firstly i would like to say i see no resemblance between Marcus and a dinosoaur.Also how is that little move thing they were doing dinasouar like?

I do remember hearing a conversation between Karly and co. on live feed about her hopping from group to group.

When i think back to the big argument in the bedroom Karly and co. only actually denied saying the word rabbit,they seemed to be being very careful about the way they were phrasing things.

[Luanda]

Firstly i would like to say i see no resemblance between Marcus and a dinosoaur.

It was because he has an outdated mullet and lamb chops - hence dinosaur.

[Shasown]

Nobody ever stated that Noirin went from group to group. Siavash saw the dinosaur thing and interpreted it as the rabbit/group to group thing.

How do you know that they didn't say it though?? Remember we couldn't see what happened for most of everyday

Because it was never said by the housemates either inside or outside the house. Take it at face value that Siavash interpreted it incorrectly. Those conspiracy theorists who think otherwise probably think Timmy Mallett was behind 9/11.

We only got to see an hours H/Ls and when they were in bed at night so how would you know what was and wasn't said in there??

The thing is several people on here including myself DID see the convo on LF when they said it. Of course none of them are going to come out and admit it now because they lied their asses off during Bunnygate and would look bad if they changed their story now.

I saw it too, the conversation about her hopping from group to group it was karly who initially said something about not being able to trust her because of it.

This was posted about when the whole Noirin incident kicked off and Karly denied saying it at all. The actual conversation that Siavash was present at happened about day 26 or 27.

But it was mentioned at the bus stop while siavash was sponging ciggies and chatting.

[Patrick]

:nono:Marcus Is not a Dinosaur..Hes a legend :thumbs:

[MassiveTruck]

On BBLB they said they are looking for the footage and can't find it. They asked the housemates continuously about it because Siavash continued to say he heard it being said and he said everybody said it in the group in front of them all.

If BB can't find the footage and they had to ask Siavash directly about it and Siavash has been known to tell lies and I can't believe nobody remembers Rodrigo, Sophie and Karly making fun of Marcus being a dinosaur in weeks one and two and yes, that move she made was of a dinosaur.

So of course if you add it to the fact Siavash fancied Noirin and wanted to stay close to her because lets face it, with a girlfriend that flirts with everybody and his need to spread gossip and rumour to gain some friends in the house - he desperately needed to keep Noirin in the group.

So of course he made it up. Soon as she left the group he tried to scare her into thinking they didn't like her.

[Luanda]

On BBLB they said they are looking for the footage and can't find it. They asked the housemates continuously about it because Siavash continued to say he heard it being said and he said everybody said it in the group in front of them all.

If BB can't find the footage and they had to ask Siavash directly about it and Siavash has been known to tell lies and I can't believe nobody remembers Rodrigo, Sophie and Karly making fun of Marcus being a dinosaur in weeks one and two and yes, that move she made was of a dinosaur.

So of course if you add it to the fact Siavash fancied Noirin and wanted to stay close to her because lets face it, with a girlfriend that flirts with everybody and his need to spread gossip and rumour to gain some friends in the house - he desperately needed to keep Noirin in the group.

So of course he made it up. Soon as she left the group he tried to scare her into thinking they didn't like her.

Absolutely true. Good post.

[MassiveTruck]

Siavash was shooting his mouth off as per usual, like he did with Tom and the can of cider or larger.

Don't let your dislike of Siavash cloud your judgement calls Setanta!! They were obviousely doing the rabbit/dinasaur impressions cos both Sophie & Karly admitted it, so he was either right or got the wrong end of the stick but he didn't make it up cos they admitted to doing it!

But the whole thing is he wasn't sure, just like he wasn't sure about Tom. He shouldn't be waffling about what such and such said unless he's 100% convinced that they had said it. Better to just warn Noirin about her behaviour rather than throwing in names.

Yes he went from being absolutely sure about things to not being sure at all. Always accusing people and making them look bad in front of everyone and then changing his tune a few seconds later.

[J-Rock]

My understanding is:

They said Noirin was jumping from group to group on LF.

Vash was trying to explain this to Noirin - and she went into a strop (which I can sort of understand as you would want to confront anyone if they'd been bitchin about you).

The 'rabbit' expression is merely a metaphor - irrelevant whether the word was used or not.

Since then, there has been speculation whether Karly et al were making 'rabbit' vs 'dinosaur' impressions. Videos and doctored evidence have been doing the rounds (e.g. Calendar on DS). This is all a red herring.

Lisa's gang continued to slate Noirin behind her back for weeks afterwards, making similar accusations, once they realised Freddie might have some support on the outside and decided to re-focus their venom elsewhere.

Anyway, rabbitgate, thanks to Vash, Noirin and Freddie became one of the classic moments of BB10!

[Shasown]

Yes he went from being absolutely sure about things to not being sure at all. Always accusing people and making them look bad in front of everyone and then changing his tune a few seconds later.



Most people would back down after being called out like that, even if they were in the right, he still insists he heard something like that, a relatively weak stance but in his eyes producing less problems than insisting karly etc had indeed said it, he is also witness less whereas the other groupbacked each other up.

Given some of the edits by BB do you think they honestly looked that hard to find it?

[MiuMiu]

I heard Sophie giving the same story of how the rabbit thing, with them thinking marcus walked like a dinosour, started loads of times on LF, so I think it true.
Karly wasn't bullsh*ting IMO.
:thumbs:

[Penelope]

When asked on the BB reunion show. Karly said she used to do the rabbit impression because Marcus looks like a dinosaur?
She was providing an explantion as to what she felt Siavash believed was an impression of a 'rabbit'. They used to do a dinosaur impression (according to Sophie) about Marcus. When Sophie told Siavash about this, he then felt silly and thought that he might have been wrong about the whole thing.

[keithafc]

Karly should just stick to stripping and get that **** out tbh.

[Penelope]

The fact is, Karly, Kris, Sophie, Lisa and Charlie DID have that name for her, it was on LF one night when they were sat at the bus stop and they were discussing how Noirin jumped from group to group like a rabbit.[/quote]
False. Typical Siavash fan (Or at the time, Karly/Lisa hater). You all say, "I'm sure that I saw it on LF ..." but infact there is no LF footage of this. There's not been one link to LF footage of this and plenty of people saying they never saw it. I haven't.

Not one geek on DS has managed to find evidence of this, yet Mr Marky and other sites have LF feed from every night. The evidence just isn't there. If it happened before LF started,we'll never know.

[quote]And why would Karly and others still be bothered if there was no truth in it anyway?

Seems like you tagged this sentence on to try and back up your claims of their convo, in the above paragraph. I've never had the impression that they were bothered. It's usually Siavash getting the heat for all of this, as most just think he's a liar and a trouble maker ... because he did these things consistently for the whole show.

And he even did this in his interview with Davina. Lying about walking to help Sophie win, lying about not asking HMs to put him up because of pride. This contradicted statements he made in the house; leaving to apologise to his gf, and not asking HMs to put him up for Marcus' sake.

The latter part (Marcus' sake) is false; because he'd have nominated David to ensure a David vs Marcus eviction (= David gone, by his estimations anyway), if that was true.

You can only lie and BS so much, until you're found out and ripped to pieces.

[Penelope]

Well if she had done nothing wrong, she would have just said that, instead of coming up with some lame excuse like the 'dinosaur' thing. Im sure if it had been me, I would just say nothing like that was ever said, if it hadnt.[/quote]
She did deny it, about 50 times in the HL episode where they were all in the bedroom.

She talked about the dinosaur impression, because based on Sophie's convo with Vash, this was the source of his confusion. Vash admitted to Sophie he may have just been wrong, upon hearing about this Dinosaur impression.

He went from 'totally sure' in his convo with Noirin, to suddenly thinking he was wrong. Funny that.

None of the people involved have denied it really
They denied it tons of times in the actual bedroom scene. LOL.

[quote]only came up with things that he could have interpreted as the rabbit thing, seems very strange if it was all just made up, dont you think?
Karly stated this dinosaur explanation to clear up exactly what Siavash had seen, and by accounts, misinterpreted as a rabbit expression. Sophie's convo with Siavash about the Dinosaur expression, seemed to clear up where Siavash got the whole thing from.

Clearly denying things, as in the bedroom scene, wasn't enough. Or maybe it was in the end, since Siavash turned out to be a consistent liar and BSer with little credibility anyway.

BTW, your suspicions and feelings, don't count as solid evidence, sorry. Especially when there's no LF footage of these magical convos that Kris/Karly had about Noirin!

[GypsyGoth]

Hi Penelope, both MissKittyFantastico and VickyJ are here from afternoon to late evening usually, if you want to debate with them or read their responses to your replies.

[Penelope]

Hi Penelope, both MissKittyFantastico and VickyJ are here from afternoon to late evening usually, if you want to debate with them or read their responses.
I don't, just correcting them on their errors as I have done above. Like LF footage that doesn't exist, or claims Karly never denied anything.

Let me make this clear ...


- There is no LF footage of Kris/Karly having this rabbit talk about Noirin at the bus stop. None, check DS out; the geeks there found nothing. Yet Mr Marky and other sites have all LF footage.

- There was however, LF footage of Sophie talking to Siavash, and saying that they did a dinosaur impression of Marcus, which indeed did look like a rabbit. Siavash then went 'Ohhhh' and admitted he may have been wrong about it all.

- The HL scene showed Karly and Kris vehemently deny that they said or gestured such things about Noirin. Siavash was confusing and unclear as to whether he heard them say it, whether he thinks that they think it, or whether he saw gestures only. Switching from one reasoning to the next. This diminishes his credibility as it appears as back-pedalling and covering up lies with more lies.

[GypsyGoth]

Hi Penelope, both MissKittyFantastico and VickyJ are here from afternoon to late evening usually, if you want to debate with them or read their responses.
I don't, just correcting them on their errors as I have done above. Like LF footage that doesn't exist, or claims Karly never denied anything.

Let me make this clear ...

Ok but it's a very Charlie way of arguing. Shout some stuff and then say I don't want to talk about it or just run into another room :tongue:

[Penelope]

Ok but it's a very Charlie way of arguing. Shout some stuff and then say I don't want to talk about it or just run into another room :tongue:
I'm not arguing or shouting. I'm correcting them on what they've stated, which was factually incorrect. I'm just tidying up the facts for other FM's to see, I don't intend to debate anything.

Until anyone puts up a video of Karly and Kris b*tching about Noirin, all claims that Siavash was right are just wishful thinking and supposition. Especially given his lies and manipulations from there onwards, even in his Live Interview with Davina.

:-)

[GypsyGoth]

I'm not arguing or shouting. I'm correcting them on what they've stated, which was factually incorrect. I'm just tidying up the facts for other FM's to see, I don't intend to debate anything.

Until anyone puts up a video of Karly and Kris b*tching about Noirin, all claims that Siavash was right are just wishful thinking and supposition. Especially given his lies and manipulations from there onwards, even in his Live Interview with Davina.

:-)

Well Penelope you are correct, saying something to someone and running away is for sure not arguing. And since you don't intend to debate I'm sure you won't even be bothered to reply to this.

Anyhoo, I'll take Siavash's word about something before I take someone who holds an inordinate amount of belief in what you call DS geeks (and by the way, just for the record: Tibb geeks>DS geeks).

Also where is your video proof of "lies and supposition" on Siavash's behalf, or is that just wishful think on your part?:wavey:

[Penelope]

Anyhoo, I'll take Siavash's word about something before I take someone who holds an inordinate amount of belief in what you call DS geeks (and by the way, just for the record: Tibb geeks>DS geeks).[/quote]
LOL, Siavash's word means absolutely nothing, he's been the notorious liar of the series. I stated above two lies he made in his interview, even making Davina say 'whatever' as a reaction. Pretty laughable.

Like I said, there's been no video found. TiBB geeks or DS geeks, nothing found. Yet there's LF footage on several sites from each day in the house.

[quote]Also where is your video proof of "lies and supposition" on Siavash's behalf, or is that just wishful think on your part?:wavey:
I stated the lies he made in his interview (as a starter) and Vash fans believing something despite no evidence of it happening, is just supposition. Siavash admitting to Sophie that he was possibly wrong about the whole thing (once she mentioned the Dinosaur explanation) shows how he wasn't going off of hard facts, only supposition; about what their gesturing was.

He even lied to Sophie when he came out of the DR after his whole farce about 'leaving', whilst ruining David's Birthday and hogging airtime in the process, selfishly. He told her that he went to see a doctor about his throat. Another lie of many.

Looks like you goaded me into debating, well done. :rolleyes:

[GypsyGoth]

Well if Siavash's word means nothing to you, why are you getting your knickers in a twist at something he said. Saying he is "the notorious liar of the series," I'm sure you'd have loads of video proof (which you seem soo fond of) to back up your claim, oh you don't or as you'll claim you can't be bother to rustle up. Hmm... could you be just a Vash hater who crawled here from another site?

The live footage seen from each day is a very small proportion of the amount that they film. So the absence of LF proof (or clips shown from the daytime recordings) does not confirm something didn't happen. If that went over your head tell me.

And the fact that you're debating here is the only lie that has been exposed. You've offered no evidence towards your claim that Siavash is dishonest.

[Penelope]

Well if Siavash's word means nothing to you, why are you getting your knickers in a twist at something he said. Saying he is "the notorious liar of the series," I'm sure you'd have loads of video proof (which you seem soo fond of) to back up your claim, oh you don't or as you'll claim you can't be bother to rustle up. Hmm... could you be just a Vash hater who crawled here from another site?[/quote]
The live final with Davina, I explained this several times already. You're not even replying to anything I said, just making sweeping statements.

The live footage seen from each day is a very small proportion of the amount that they film. So the absence of LF proof (or clips shown from the daytime recordings) does not confirm something didn't happen. If that went over your head tell me.
Well people in this thread are claiming they saw it in LF. It's not been on TV.

[quote]And the fact that you're debating here is the only lie that has been exposed. You've offered no evidence towards your claim that Siavash is dishonest.
Apart from the Live Final as I outlined several times, and the lie he told Sophie RE seeing the doctor, after coming out of the DR about wanting to leave.

You're ignoring everything I've said and making sweeping statements. If you don't want to listen, then that's your perrogative.

[Penelope]

Btw, stop goading people into arguing, then using this against them in arguments. That'a s pretty low form of 'victory'.

And stop ignoring all my statements of Siavash's lie's, then telling me that I haven't pointed out anything credible.

It's clear you were set on believing what you wanted, even though I highlighted his lies in the Live Interview and on David's B'day episode.

This is why I hate 'debating'. It's not really debating, it's just typing to a brick wall who blatantly disregards what I already said. I gave examples, then you stated I haven't ... LOL.

[GypsyGoth]

Penelope:
The live final with Davina, I explained this several times already. You're not even replying to anything I said, just making sweeping statements.
Oh look, I'm replying to stuff you say and not making sweeping statements.

Well people in this thread are claiming they saw it in LF. It's not been on TV.
Well then, if you are curious about this, why not stick around and ask the forum members about this. Instead of running off after making a few points.


Apart from the Live Final as I outlined several times, and the lie he told Sophie RE seeing the doctor, after coming out of the DR about wanting to leave.

How do you know for sure he didn't see the doctor during his time in the diary room.

Also even if he did spare Sophie the truth about him wanting to go, that hardly makes him "the liar of the series" you still have offered no proof towards your accusation.


You're ignoring everything I've said and making sweeping statements. If you don't want to listen, then that's your perrogative.

You're ignoring everything I write and making stupid claims, so I guess we're even. Also writing in bold doesn't make your point more right.

If you just want to lie, that's your prerogative.

But should you want to debate, I already told you when VickyJ and Kitty would be back here.

[GypsyGoth]

Btw, stop goading people into arguing, then using this against them in arguments. That'a s pretty low form of 'victory'.

And stop ignoring all my statements of Siavash's lie's, then telling me that I haven't pointed out anything credible.

It's clear you were set on believing what you wanted, even though I highlighted his lies in the Live Interview and on David's B'day episode.

This is why I hate 'debating'. It's not really debating, it's just typing to a brick wall who blatantly disregards what I already said. I gave examples, then you stated I haven't ... LOL.

The brick wall is you quoting people on this forum and then running off, saying you won't be around for their responces.

LOL:rolleyes:

[atieah2009]

Btw, stop goading people into arguing, then using this against them in arguments. That'a s pretty low form of 'victory'.

And stop ignoring all my statements of Siavash's lie's, then telling me that I haven't pointed out anything credible.

It's clear you were set on believing what you wanted, even though I highlighted his lies in the Live Interview and on David's B'day episode.

This is why I hate 'debating'. It's not really debating, it's just typing to a brick wall who blatantly disregards what I already said. I gave examples, then you stated I haven't ... LOL.

The brick wall is you quoting people on this forum and then running off, saying you won't be around for their responces.

LOL

this person is dixie bell check the sign in and off time how sad what kind of life is that LOL

[GypsyGoth]

Btw, stop goading people into arguing, then using this against them in arguments. That'a s pretty low form of 'victory'.

And stop ignoring all my statements of Siavash's lie's, then telling me that I haven't pointed out anything credible.

It's clear you were set on believing what you wanted, even though I highlighted his lies in the Live Interview and on David's B'day episode.

This is why I hate 'debating'. It's not really debating, it's just typing to a brick wall who blatantly disregards what I already said. I gave examples, then you stated I haven't ... LOL.

The brick wall is you quoting people on this forum and then running off, saying you won't be around for their responces.

LOL

this person is dixie bell check the sign in and off time how sad what kind of life is that LOL

Thanks atieah2009, I'm off to bed then.

[atieah2009]

tc x bye

[mother6]

Lets not forget that Siavash's lies allowed Freddie to become involved and he accused Karly and Chris of saying the same thing. The poor simpleton believed everything that Siavash said and it certainly did not do him any favours. Siavash was put in the spotlight on BBLB and he squirmed with excuses finally conceding that the others might not have said it but they were thinking it. How perceptive that man is and how gifted to be able to predict what others are thinking I believe his talents were wasted on BB.

[Penelope]

Looks like GypsyGoth wants to ignore the lies he made in his Live Interview, the Lie to Sophie about seeing the doctor rather than wanting to leave, the lie to Noirin about being 'totally sure' regarding the Rabbit incident (yet then admitting to Sophie he may have made a balls up), etc.

I stated these things several times, yet she still posts the same BS about me not backing up my accusations of Siavash being a liar.

And yet Siavash fans' best material is an imaginary LF scene that never happened, still unproven to this day. Ohhh well.

[NettoSuperstar!]

They know they were talking about her going from group to group, guilty as charged! Siavash didnt lie, he put himself up for eviction straight after! Karly wouldnt be making excuses for something that didnt happen

[Luanda]

I think a lot of the criticism of Siavash being unable to tell the truth is a lack of understanding regarding arab culture. I have worked in the Middle East many times and have a fair understanding of the culture and customs. In arab culture what we term as telling the truth is not as important as it is to us. In the UK we have almost a code of honour regarding honesty. In many countries in the world this is not so. In the Middle East one can quite easily utter untruths as long as that person does not lose face and all parties understand this. It is also very similar in Thailand where not losing face is more important than telling the truth.

This is not a judgement, just fact.

[Penelope]

They know they were talking about her going from group to group, guilty as charged! Siavash didnt lie, he put himself up for eviction straight after! Karly wouldnt be making excuses for something that didnt happen
How do you know that 'they know'? Mind Reader?

He may not have lied, just run off of a supposition that he hadn't consolidated in his mind with facts/evidence, later admitting to Sophie he could have ballsed it up, once she mentioned the dinosaur gesturing.

Putting himself up doesn't count for anything either, especially with his schemes later in the show.

EDIT: But he did lie to Noirin saying he was totally sure, and his constant 'switching' in the bedroom scene from they said it/they only think it/they gestured it does appear as backtracking and covering upp falsehoods with more falsehoods.

[NettoSuperstar!]

They know they were talking about her going from group to group, guilty as charged! Siavash didnt lie, he put himself up for eviction straight after! Karly wouldnt be making excuses for something that didnt happen
How do you know that 'they know'? Mind Reader?

He may not have lied, just run off of a supposition that he hadn't consolidated in his mind with facts/evidence, later admitting to Sophie he could have ballsed it up, once she mentioned the dinosaur gesturing.

Putting himself up doesn't count for anything either, especially with his schemes later in the show.

It was written all over the faces! (No Im a face reader)...schemes schmeems! lol

[Penelope]

It was written all over the faces! (No Im a face reader)schemes schmeems! lol
Maybe Karly's, Kris seemed totally fine. But it's clear that Siavash states things and runs of supposition, without being sure of it. The cider issue with Tom was a perfect example; he saw Tom take a can from the same table as Lisa's can, then ran off the supposition that he must have stole it.

He has a habit of doing this.

[NettoSuperstar!]

It was written all over the faces! (No Im a face reader)schemes schmeems! lol
Maybe Karly's, Kris seemed totally fine. But it's clear that Siavash states things and runs of supposition, without being sure of it. The cider issue with Tom was a perfect example; he saw Tom take a can from the same table as Lisa's can, then ran off the supposition that he must have stole it.

He has a habit of doing this.

A drunken mistake...we've all done it now c'mon!

[GypsyGoth]

Looks like GypsyGoth wants to ignore the lies he made in his Live Interview, the Lie to Sophie about seeing the doctor rather than wanting to leave, the lie to Noirin about being 'totally sure' regarding the Rabbit incident (yet then admitting to Sophie he may have made a balls up), etc.

I stated these things several times, yet she still posts the same BS about me not backing up my accusations of Siavash being a liar.

And yet Siavash fans' best material is an imaginary LF scene that never happened, still unproven to this day. Ohhh well.

Will have a look at what you are on about Penelope when I finish http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/home/t6037.gif and http://bestsmileys.com/cleaning/6.gif plus http://bestsmileys.com/cleaning/12.gif

[MissKittyFantastico]

Gypsy I'm not even bothering to debate with these people anymore because all I get is to be called a liar so it's really not worth it tbh.

I'm not the only one who saw the convo on LF, but everyone who did is biased and making up rubbish apparently so there's really no point.

BB is over now, some people just don't seem to be able to let their hatred go.

Simple as that really.

[Penelope]

Gypsy I'm not even bothering to debate with these people anymore because all I get is to be called a liar so it's really not worth it tbh.

I'm not the only one who saw the convo on LF, but everyone who did is biased and making up rubbish apparently so there's really no point.

BB is over now, some people just don't seem to be able to let their hatred go.

Simple as that really.
The convo never happened, I'm not saying this to taunt you so that you have to dig for videos on youtube etc, I wouldn't stoop that low. But at the time of rabbitgate, everyone on the forums asked for this LF vid, but there was none. And plenty of people, like me, said they never saw a thing.

And you can't deny that I'm a BB fanatic either, it's not like I'm a casual HLs-ONLY viewer. I never ever heard of rabbits or group hopping, until Siavash told Noirin. But there you go.

[Vicky.]

The convo never happened, I'm not saying this to taunt you so that you have to dig for videos on youtube etc, I wouldn't stoop that low. But at the time of rabbitgate, everyone on the forums asked for this LF vid, but there was none. And plenty of people, like me, said they never saw a thing.

And you can't deny that I'm a BB fanatic either, it's not like I'm a casual HLs-ONLY viewer. I never ever heard of rabbits or group hopping, until Siavash told Noirin. But there you go.There is not just Kitty who saw this though.

I didnt see it myself, but I know Kitty wouldnt just make something up and pass it off as truth just to win an arguement. Not like some on here.

[MissKittyFantastico]

The convo did happen.

Karly, Kris and Sophie likened Noirin to a rabbit, Charlie said she was a like a butterly, a social butterfly.

I do not make things up, I can't speak for the others who say they saw it, but I have no reason to believe they do either.

But I'm hitting my head against a brick wall again here so like I said, really no point in continuing with this.

[mrs-big]

The convo did happen.

Karly, Kris and Sophie likened Noirin to a rabbit, Charlie said she was a like a butterly, a social butterfly.

I do not make things up, I can't speak for the others who say they saw it, but I have no reason to believe they do either.

But I'm hitting my head against a brick wall again here so like I said, really no point in continuing with this.




Ohhh yeah!, i remember Charlie saying that now!!!!

:thumbs:

[shaz20]

Gypsy I'm not even bothering to debate with these people anymore because all I get is to be called a liar so it's really not worth it tbh.

I'm not the only one who saw the convo on LF, but everyone who did is biased and making up rubbish apparently so there's really no point.

BB is over now, some people just don't seem to be able to let their hatred go.

Simple as that really. I can agree with you Miss Kitty on that point. I did watch a live feed, with the Lisa group at the bus stop, where they were saying that Noirin hopped from group to group. I didn't actually hear them say " like a Rabbit" Nor can I confirm what day or night I watched this. (I dont' keep my recordings of live feed. I only know that I definately saw it and heard it.Karly Kris and Charlie were the main instigaters of this conversations. By the way I am not a Siavach fan or a Hater of any particular housemate:nono:

[setanta]

I just don't understand how this alleged conversation hasn't been aired on Big Brother or even found it's way on the web.

[GypsyGoth]

Gypsy I'm not even bothering to debate with these people anymore because all I get is to be called a liar so it's really not worth it tbh.

I'm not the only one who saw the convo on LF, but everyone who did is biased and making up rubbish apparently so there's really no point.

BB is over now, some people just don't seem to be able to let their hatred go.

Simple as that really.

You're right Kitty I'll call it quits with this thread too.

No matter how many people say they seen it Penelope, I get the feeling you won't be swayed. So this debate will infuriatingly go around in circles.

Take care.

[Vicky.]

I just don't understand how this alleged conversation hasn't been aired on Big Brother or even found it's way on the web.

Why would BB show it? Really? At the time it was just a random coversation.

You could say a lot of random conversations never made it onto the web. I just checked mrmarkys webite to see if his LF coverage goes back that far, because i would be interested in hearing this myself to be honest, but the earliest he has is day 70.

I still fail to see any reason for people to be lying about hearing it though. The same was said at DS, by a lot of people.

[setanta]

I just don't understand how this alleged conversation hasn't been aired on Big Brother or even found it's way on the web.

Why would BB show it? Really? At the time it was just a random coversation.

You could say a lot of random conversations never made it onto the web. I just checked mrmarkys webite to see if his LF coverage goes back that far, because i would be interested in hearing this myself to be honest, but the earliest he has is day 70.

I still fail to see any reason for people to be lying about hearing it though. The same was said at DS, by a lot of people.

But it was so crucial to the whole rabbitgate scenario that I find it really maddening that they didn't even air a partial clip of it. They're taping them round the clock on numerous cameras/hard drives and I can't believe that they deleted all material from that night straight away. Wouldn't they have searched through the material once the argument took place? There couldn't have been more than a day or two in it right?

[shaz20]

Sorry I haven't got a clue what night it was that I watched it. I only know that I am 50 year old sensible (sometimes) woman who loves BB, and knows what I watched and heard. I am not delusional, and certainly not a liar!

[Vicky.]

But it was so crucial to the whole rabbitgate scenario that I find it really maddening that they didn't even air a partial clip of it. They're taping them round the clock on numerous cameras/hard drives and I can't believe that they deleted all material from that night straight away. Wouldn't they have searched through the material once the argument took place? There couldn't have been more than a day or two in it right?

Yeah, but why would they show it afterwards?

The whole thing got people talking...and still has people talking, their mission accomplished.

And as I have said a lot of times before, had the misunderstanding had anything to do with charlie or any other of the golden boys/girls at that time, you can bet your ass that BBLB would have done a section on it to prove that it was a misunderstanding.

During the arguement, charlie appeared to know exactly what was being talked about, he even piped up that he had called her a social butterfly...karly meanwhile sat there looking quite sheepish for most part. And they seemed to highlight the fact that they never said rabbit. So the fact that they did not say that one word..seemed to be their get out clause, so to speak.

He was wrong to say it without having all the facts, yes. But if people say the conversation happened,in freddies words, I have no reason to doubt their honesty.

I dislike people being accused of lying, when people who cant recall/didnt see that conversation really dont know if it was said or not. I dont see why people would make it up, I really dont. Especially given that BB has ended now, and there is nothing to gain by lying about it.

[setanta]

But it was so crucial to the whole rabbitgate scenario that I find it really maddening that they didn't even air a partial clip of it. They're taping them round the clock on numerous cameras/hard drives and I can't believe that they deleted all material from that night straight away. Wouldn't they have searched through the material once the argument took place? There couldn't have been more than a day or two in it right?

Yeah, but why would they show it afterwards?

The whole thing got people talking...and still has people talking, their mission accomplished.

And as I have said a lot of times before, had the misunderstanding had anything to do with charlie or any other of the golden boys/girls at that time, you can bet your ass that BBLB would have done a section on it to prove that it was a misunderstanding.

During the arguement, charlie appeared to know exactly what was being talked about, he even piped up that he had called her a social butterfly...karly meanwhile sat there looking quite sheepish for most part. And they seemed to highlight the fact that they never said rabbit. So the fact that they did not say that one word..seemed to be their get out clause, so to speak.

He was wrong to say it without having all the facts, yes. But if people say the conversation happened,in freddies words, I have no reason to doubt their honesty.

I dislike people being accused of lying, when people who cant recall/didnt see that conversation really dont know if it was said or not. I dont see why people would make it up, I really dont. Especially given that BB has ended now, and there is nothing to gain by lying about it.

I never called anybody a liar here; just would have to see the conversation taking place myself to judge it properly. That's what's frustrating about it.

[Vicky.]

I never called anybody a liar here; just would have to see the conversation taking place myself to judge it properly. That's what's frustrating about it.

Wasnt talking about you, but a few people have accused various FMs of lying.

And I would like to see it myself, but even if I found a site with all the LF coverage...I dont think i could be bothered to watch it all just to see that.

I think I'll just take others' word for it to be honest.

[setanta]

I never called anybody a liar here; just would have to see the conversation taking place myself to judge it properly. That's what's frustrating about it.

Wasnt talking about you, but a few people have accused various FMs of lying.

And I would like to see it myself, but even if I found a site with all the LF coverage...I dont think i could be bothered to watch it all just to see that.

I think I'll just take others' word for it to be honest.

Ah you can't be doing that darling - everybody paints a different picture depending on their perspective and that's why it's dangerous to accept one viewpoint totally. We've seen that on countless occassions on the forum itself. In any case, I'm sure something was said but the actual content would have been nice to have seen. Siavash and Noirin still acted like wallies though.

[Vicky.]

Ah you can't be doing that darling - everybody paints a different picture depending on their perspective and that's why it's dangerous to accept one viewpoint totally. We've seen that on countless occassions on the forum itself. In any case, I'm sure something was said but the actual content would have been nice to have seen. Siavash and Noirin still acted like wallies though.

I can if I trust the people in question. I know Kitty doesnt need to make things up to prove a point. And I remember the message boards at DS going wild about it, hundreds of people claiming they saw the same thing, all the WHATMers saying the conversation did take place, and everyone had the same story.

I started looking throught old WHATMs there, but gave up after about 20 minutes as its trivial anyway.

[brian3]

other things

1. In what way does Marcus look like a dinosaur?

2. Is making up names for him, and laughing behind his back not just as bad as calling Norine a bunny rabbit.

[J-Rock]

other things

1. In what way does Marcus look like a dinosaur?

2. Is making up names for him, and laughing behind his back not just as bad as calling Norine a bunny rabbit.
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Dinosaur = red herring

They were talking behind Noirin's back. Vash got it right ('rabbit' was just a metaphor). They continued to bitch about Noirin.

No need for essays on it.

[u10092795]

are you people actuallybb fans. I t is blaantly obvious karly had a problem with marcus from the beginning.i thought her and kris did say it at the time but bb never found any evidence to suggest kris and karly said this.sophie did say to noirin towards the end her and karly used to do that impression because they thought marcus was like a dinosaur karly backed it p so sivash was in the wrong he also denied in the bedroom that he had said kris and kaly's name to noirin when in fact it was shown on the highlights the night after that he did say their nmaes he was a nasty liar than excuse of a man!!!

[J-Rock]

are you people actuallybb fans. I t is blaantly obvious karly had a problem with marcus from the beginning.i thought her and kris did say it at the time but bb never found any evidence to suggest kris and karly said this.sophie did say to noirin towards the end her and karly used to do that impression because they thought marcus was like a dinosaur karly backed it p so sivash was in the wrong he also denied in the bedroom that he had said kris and kaly's name to noirin when in fact it was shown on the highlights the night after that he did say their nmaes he was a nasty liar than excuse of a man!!!


Nope, no fans here. Go back to DS.

[Stovepipe]

are you people actuallybb fans. I t is blaantly obvious karly had a problem with marcus from the beginning.i thought her and kris did say it at the time but bb never found any evidence to suggest kris and karly said this.sophie did say to noirin towards the end her and karly used to do that impression because they thought marcus was like a dinosaur karly backed it p so sivash was in the wrong he also denied in the bedroom that he had said kris and kaly's name to noirin when in fact it was shown on the highlights the night after that he did say their nmaes he was a nasty liar than excuse of a man!!!

Yup. Siavash lied right to their faces and we don't need any LF for that one. Right to their faces!!

[MissKittyFantastico]

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AhmedFan why are you still being hypocritical enough to make ANOTHER account to try and dodge the bans on both your original and your Penelope account? You must think the admin on here are stupid. And the rest of us too.