Channel4 may have too change there minds now

[merv]

Why!? PRODUCT PLACEMENT, thats why.
For the first time permission as been given for Television company's to show/advertise products on British Television shows.
For years aired programs have not been allowed to, BB always puts stickers over the products, Tee Shirts slogan, Soaps show products with labels facing away from Camera.
Under new rules, if advertisers pay for the product to be shown they can now do it.
And it's worth Millions to them.
BB as the potential to be in the Big Earners making it very viable to keep it going.
Watch this space.

[Niamh.]

Really?? hhmm, If they do keep it, I hope they get some new staff in cos their ideas were shite this year

[ricky2k9]

Thats true actually, all the housemates shopping can be aired.

[karezza]

The entire Tesco shopping list could be advertised. So much air time.

[merv]

It would also mean that named items that housemates wear could be funded by companys.

[Niamh.]

It would be like the Trueman show with HMs being told to show alot of certain products etc!!! Imagine Freddie getting into the mmmmmmmm................aaahhhhhh........mmmmmmmm. ..........Radox

[Cybele]

I'm surprised this hasn't already been happening. They do it in America and in movies.

[Scarlett.]

I'm surprised this hasn't already been happening. They do it in America and in movies. The ban lift was only just announced yesterday

And yes, this may rescue BB

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.

[eye sea]

Why!? PRODUCT PLACEMENT, thats why.
For the first time permission as been given for Television company's to show/advertise products on British Television shows.
For years aired programs have not been allowed to, BB always puts stickers over the products, Tee Shirts slogan, Soaps show products with labels facing away from Camera.
Under new rules, if advertisers pay for the product to be shown they can now do it.
And it's worth Millions to them.
BB as the potential to be in the Big Earners making it very viable to keep it going.
Watch this space.

LOL. Good point there, OP!:joker:

Poor Channel 4, what idiots!:pat:

[RCW1945]

The new regulation excludes children's programmes: you decide.

[Cybele]

Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.

Not really. Considering how many US shows are watched here with high ratings, I don't see how anyone is adversely affected. So instead of seeing a can with a COLA sticker on it, we see a can of coke. Or rather than seeing a jacket or hat with tape across it, you will be able to see the Nike swoosh or whatever.

[cleaner67]

I'm surprised this hasn't already been happening. They do it in America and in movies. The ban lift was only just announced yesterday

And yes, this may rescue BB I really do hope so.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.

Not really. Considering how many US shows are watched here with high ratings, I don't see how anyone is adversely affected. So instead of seeing a can with a COLA sticker on it, we see a can of coke. Or rather than seeing a jacket or hat with tape across it, you will be able to see the Nike swoosh or whatever.

What does ratings have to do with it?

I can understand why it wouldn't be such a bad thing regarding TV shows that sensibly place products in, and yeah, its normallly clothing/drinks/food brands. Yet, I can't see how some programs wouldn't then start needing this to finance themselves (as BB is mentioned), but then when does it mean that instead of a cutaway to the garden with birds singing, it doesn't cut to a can of coke.

Do you think there is a difference between subliminal messaging and product placement.

Will the BBC be allowed to do it? What happens about the TV licence if so?

Big companies that have the money and the power can drive smaller business out with product placement as it does have an effect, is that such a good thing (especially in this country where most of the big companies aren't even domestically owned anymore) and we buy more American products and Japanese products that have the financial backing rather than the small independent ones.

Big business operate in a greedy way, why should we allow them another avenue to strangle the market place by over dominance?

[vladicus]

its a good way for bb to make money as people like to skip ads

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

its a good way for bb to make money as people like to skip ads

Yeah, but the TV companies know that people do this (as do the ad companies) wouldn't that just encourage them to blitz the programs with PP?

The American TV shows have more ad breaks to keep you watching, could this happen here as well. They don't have ad breaks between programs as thats when you might change station, but they do have more during the shows, is this the way we want British TV to go?

[Shasown]

Its not definate yet, its expected to be announced over the next week. Even if the ban is lifted for ITV etc, it will remain in place for the BBC, so no licence fee reductions - Ba****ds

It will be interesting to see how they deal with it in BB, will they allow all products to be displayed and give prominence to any that pay for placement, or do they blank out only those that havent paid? Booze would still have to be covered though especially if the medical profession force though the blanket ban on alcohol advertising.

[nut]

OP you are forgeting 1 or 2 things= C4 will not be renewing the contract with endemol end of! and no other TV station wants anything to do with Big brother, the show as come to a natural death millions have turned off advertisers have pulled out because the show is not pulling in the viewers it once use to. ask your self this? would you waste your advertising revenue on a failing show? sorry that's bad business practice - advertisers are pulling away from BB and not trying to join the show, ever since the jade and the racism row big companies have wanted nothing to do with the show virgin, O2 ect.. now its lucozade next year who will it be? the fish and chip shop down the road?

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

OP you are forgeting 1 or 2 things= C4 will not be renewing the contract with endemol end of! and no other TV station wants anything to do with Big brother, the show as come to a natural death millions have turned off advertisers have pulled out because the show is not pulling in the viewers it once use to. ask your self this? would you waste your advertising revenue on a failing show? sorry that's bad business practice - advertisers are pulling away from BB and not trying to join the show, ever since the jade and the racism row big companies have wanted nothing to do with the show virgin, O2 ect.. now its lucozade next year who will it be? the fish and chip show down the road?

Can't be the chippy, that is fatty food and so that will be bad.

You can however advertise companies that exploit cheap foriegn labour and rape the earth though....

[nut]

OP you are forgeting 1 or 2 things= C4 will not be renewing the contract with endemol end of! and no other TV station wants anything to do with Big brother, the show as come to a natural death millions have turned off advertisers have pulled out because the show is not pulling in the viewers it once use to. ask your self this? would you waste your advertising revenue on a failing show? sorry that's bad business practice - advertisers are pulling away from BB and not trying to join the show, ever since the jade and the racism row big companies have wanted nothing to do with the show virgin, O2 ect.. now its lucozade next year who will it be? the fish and chip show down the road?

Can't be the chippy, that is fatty food and so that will be bad.

You can however advertise companies that exploit cheap foriegn labour and rape the earth though....why? they show MCdonalds on adds? and IMHO Tesco would ask to make sure their brand was coverd up on BB they would not want to be associated with the show in any way just like virgin and O2 have wanted nothing to do with it.

[Scarlett.]

Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:

[nut]

Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:did they? who was that then? any links to what you say is true? that having sponsorship on programmes would destroy the world? Id love to know who said that PMSL

[eye sea]

I think it's called 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted...'.:joker:

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:

Well seeing as how sponsership is apart of commercialisation my point still stands, individual things won't but collectively they might.

Off to dinner now.

There is a huge difference between commercialisation and sponsoring a program.

[nut]

I think it's called 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted...'.:joker:???? what on earth are you on about? please explain? i have no clue what you are getting at? anyone else know? because ill be *******ed if i know what eye sea is trying to say?

[eye sea]

I think it's called 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted...'.:joker:???? what on earth are you on about? please explain? i have no clue what you are getting at? anyone else know? because ill be *******ed if i know what eye sea is trying to say?

I meant, C4 will be red-faced if they back-track on their decision to axe the show. But how they must be mad at the thought of all the lucrative advertising they will miss out on.:pat:

[Scarlett.]

Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:

Well seeing as how sponsership is apart of commercialisation my point still stands, individual things won't but collectively they might.

Off to dinner now.

There is a huge difference between commercialisation and sponsoring a program.

Sponsorship = Mini advert before programme
Product placement = In programme

Plus the adverts wont be overt, as it would make people switch off

[nut]

I think it's called 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted...'.:joker:???? what on earth are you on about? please explain? i have no clue what you are getting at? anyone else know? because ill be *******ed if i know what eye sea is trying to say?

I meant, C4 will be red-faced if they back-track on their decision to axe the show. But how they must be mad at the thought of all the lucrative advertising they will miss out on.:pat:they will not back track they want shot of it its clear as day the show is dead if it was still profitable they would keep it going showing a tin of tesco beans is not going to save the show its dead millions have truned it off advertisers dont want to touch it after the race row with jade and shilpa shetty. BB get the food from tesco and tesco would want nothing to do with BB the same way that other mutli billion £ businesses have jumped ship since jade and the racist allegations.

RIP Big brother 2000-2010

[MiuMiu]

Channel 4 aren't going to change their minds.
They made such a big del about BB ending this year. Every one of the main entertainment news outlets, from papers, to magzines, tv shows and beyond, publicised the fact that it was ending.
If they went back on their word and commissioned more BB for money they would look like fools.

BB is ending next year.
And that's it.
:xyxwave:

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:

Well seeing as how sponsership is apart of commercialisation my point still stands, individual things won't but collectively they might.

Off to dinner now.

There is a huge difference between commercialisation and sponsoring a program.

Sponsorship = Mini advert before programme
Product placement = In programme

Plus the adverts wont be overt, as it would make people switch off

Yes I know what they are thank you, but I said COMMERCIALISM not an individual subsection of it which the two things are a smaller part of.....

as such my statement stands.

Would you like to say the same thing for a third time?

Dinner was lovely - thank you for asking.

[Scarlett.]

Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:

Well seeing as how sponsership is apart of commercialisation my point still stands, individual things won't but collectively they might.

Off to dinner now.

There is a huge difference between commercialisation and sponsoring a program.

Sponsorship = Mini advert before programme
Product placement = In programme

Plus the adverts wont be overt, as it would make people switch off

Yes I know what they are thank you, but I said COMMERCIALISM not an individual subsection of it which the two things are a smaller part of.....

as such my statement stands.

Would you like to say the same thing for a third time?

Dinner was lovely - thank you for asking.



What do

Fine, we will abolish commercialism and just have the BBC, does that suit you?

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:

Well seeing as how sponsership is apart of commercialisation my point still stands, individual things won't but collectively they might.

Off to dinner now.

There is a huge difference between commercialisation and sponsoring a program.

Sponsorship = Mini advert before programme
Product placement = In programme

Plus the adverts wont be overt, as it would make people switch off

Yes I know what they are thank you, but I said COMMERCIALISM not an individual subsection of it which the two things are a smaller part of.....

as such my statement stands.

Would you like to say the same thing for a third time?

Dinner was lovely - thank you for asking.



What do

Fine, we will abolish commercialism and just have the BBC, does that suit you?

Well I thank you kindly it was Lamb chops and mint sauce it was quite nice.

Since when is commercialism just restricted to TV?

[Scarlett.]

Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:

Well seeing as how sponsership is apart of commercialisation my point still stands, individual things won't but collectively they might.

Off to dinner now.

There is a huge difference between commercialisation and sponsoring a program.

Sponsorship = Mini advert before programme
Product placement = In programme

Plus the adverts wont be overt, as it would make people switch off

Yes I know what they are thank you, but I said COMMERCIALISM not an individual subsection of it which the two things are a smaller part of.....

as such my statement stands.

Would you like to say the same thing for a third time?

Dinner was lovely - thank you for asking.



What do

Fine, we will abolish commercialism and just have the BBC, does that suit you?

Well I thank you kindly it was Lamb chops and mint sauce it was quite nice.

Since when is commercialism just restricted to TV?Fine, we abolish commercialism and you will have to kill for your lamb chops and mint sauce

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

since when does commercialism control trade?

[Shasown]

Fine, we abolish commercialism and you will have to kill for your lamb chops and mint sauce

Someone has to otherwise the lamb chops wouldnt get from field to plate, now would they? They don't just jump out of the animal into a passing vehicle straight to the butchers .

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

it can influence but not control. Should we allow giant companies (who lets face it our only interested in £££ or $$$ (dont have a Euro Button - why not?) to have this trade?

They are already the biggest lobbyests (sorry had some wine wine dinner, white, nice, and cheap from Sainsburys, try something new today). Should we allow them more control?

[Scarlett.]

since when does commercialism control trade?How have you managed to turn a thread about BB into a debate about commercialism? :conf:

Anyway, I cba, product placement is a good thing for TV, we're in a global recession, and this is very helpful to the TV buisness

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Fine, we abolish commercialism and you will have to kill for your lamb chops and mint sauce

Someone has to otherwise the lamb chops wouldnt get from field to plate, now would they? They don't just jump out of the animal into a passing vehicle straight to the butchers .

*ahem* you forgot about it being pre-packaged.

[nut]

I think it's called 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted...'.:joker:???? what on earth are you on about? please explain? i have no clue what you are getting at? anyone else know? because ill be *******ed if i know what eye sea is trying to say?

I meant, C4 will be red-faced if they back-track on their decision to axe the show. But how they must be mad at the thought of all the lucrative advertising they will miss out on.:pat:
..


it's called 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted...'.:joker:

i just had a look what the saying means and its the total oppersit to what you are saying its an 'Idiom = "trying to stop something bad happening when it has already happened and the situation cannot be changed!

C4 is not trying to put right what as gone wrong, its gone wrong already all they want now is shot of it. I think you used the saying "closing the stable door after the horse has bolted" incorrectly.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

since when does commercialism control trade?How have you managed to turn a thread about BB into a debate about commercialism? :conf:

Anyway, I cba, product placement is a good thing for TV, we're in a global recession, and this is very helpful to the TV buisness

Well seeing as how people think that this will save BB and is a good thing as such, I think it's only right that I can say why I think product placement on our screens is a bad thing - BB or not, it was not I that started the thread but I will point out a bit about it if I feel there is a point to be made by myself.

This current global recession that we are in is caused by several factors, I know of at least two business that have gone under in recent weeks (through friends and family) yet companies with stronger finances (Sainsburys, would be an example for a fact) are increasing their profits. I haven't been hit at all by this credit crunch - and you want to know the very basic reason why?

My house isn't full of pointless things that my TV/Mag/Radio told me to buy.

My clothes are clothes not labels.

My lifestyle is within my means.

I didnt run up huge credit bill by buying things that I was influenced (and yes TV does influence us, *simples*) into buying. The credit crunch has come about because people have spent too much on things they don't need, why? because if they don't have these things then there lives aren't complete.

Advertising - is it good or bad? When a company like Coke spends more on Advertising a year than some of the poorer countries GDP!

Sorry if this is a rant - but I love BB, but to save it at this cost, I'd rather die. (and sadly I think that sooner rather than later that will be it - this world can sicken me to a point before I will need to kill myself and be buried in a £1,400 box with a service that costs another £3/5000 just to burn me and eff me off.

No, businesses are great, long may they rape the planet of everything it has - including our souls.

(oh, some sauteed pots and some cauliflower - again, nice with mint sauce)

x

[andyman]

Channel 4 have said they want to buy more american programs... (cheap sh*t!)

If Channel 4 still don't want BB then surely the product placement news should get Channel 5 intrested.. But ratings are the problem.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

OI NUT!!!!! (sorry, just trying to get your attention)

I just read back this, and I noticed I missed your post about McDonalds (sorry about that) My remark about the chippy was a flippant one, as why should it be allowed if they are controlling ads for fatty foods on childrens TV, and with the current hysteria about obseity (which could be easily resolved with healthy eating and exercise) rather than blocking things out.

However I do kinda of agree with it, should things that are bad for people be banned from advertising?

Why are there tough laws blocking some adverts (such as the child/fatty foods and the smoking advert ban) be treated any differently than BP, or Texaco when they are globally damaging whereas fatty foods and fags are more personal damaging).

Why do the governments care about how we look after our lives when they are happy to start wars with other countries for mineral resources (and not just talking about current conflict in Afghan/Iraq) - hell America needs wars to advertise it latest weapons - coming to a conflict near you soon.

[InOne]

I don't agree with banning fatty or fast food ad's. I'll eat what I want, and if I die of a heart attack well there is one less cvnt in the world.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Channel 4 have said they want to buy more american programs... (cheap sh*t!)

If Channel 4 still don't want BB then surely the product placement news should get Channel 5 intrested.. But ratings are the problem.



Thats harsh, there is some very good TV from America (most of it from HBO though). I can see why C4 are heading this way, it must be a lot cheaper to buy programs (with a track record, even if it is the American audience so will differ) than spend money making their own programs.

But doesn't that meant that C4 could just turn into another Dave, or UK Gold, showing us nothing original to the station.

C4 is the best channel, it has a better outlook on things, and will show things that other channels might shy away from. Its been great at producing comedies over the years.

The entire channel seems to be taking a direction for the worse. It seems to have lost its edge that always made it C4.

[nut]

Channel 4 have said they want to buy more american programs... (cheap sh*t!)

If Channel 4 still don't want BB then surely the product placement news should get Channel 5 intrested.. But ratings are the problem.

I cant see how product placing will make any difference? they cant fill the time frame they would like with normal advertising brakes they would like, product placement is not going to save the show if they cant fill the time slots they have now.

I can tell you now if they do that it will kill the show even more than it is already i will not watch a tin of beans sitting on a shelf or a bottle of coke ect.. how many times in the 1 hour HL show are we going to see the tins of beans and bottles of coke ect.. then have 5 mins adds every 15 minutes? show will not be worth watching

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

I don't agree with banning fatty or fast food ad's. I'll eat what I want, and if I die of a heart attack well there is one less cvnt in the world.

I know its, OUR CHOICE.

Banning fatty foods on kids TV is just the lazy way of telling Parents that they should say NO to their kids about those places.

It was easier to change the law than to educate the parents.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Channel 4 have said they want to buy more american programs... (cheap sh*t!)

If Channel 4 still don't want BB then surely the product placement news should get Channel 5 intrested.. But ratings are the problem.

I cant see how product placing will make any difference? they cant fill the time frame they would like with normal advertising brakes they would like, product placement is not going to save the show if they cant fill the time slots they have now.

I can tell you now if they do that it will kill the show even more than it is already i will not watch a tin of beans sitting on a shelf or a bottle of coke ect.. how many times in the 1 hour HL show are we going to see the tins of beans and bottles of coke ect.. then have 5 mins adds every 15 minutes? show will not be worth watching


DAY 34

8:51am - Jeff looks for breakfast, he takes out the box of yummy scrummy cereal that will keep him going till after lunch

11:23 - after eating X cereal Jeff is full of beans (baked by Heinz) when doing the task and passes with ease after having a full bowl of X cereal - the other housemates fail

12:37 Jeff rests on his comfy X bed and is still full after eating x cereal

[InOne]

Channel 4 have said they want to buy more american programs... (cheap sh*t!)

If Channel 4 still don't want BB then surely the product placement news should get Channel 5 intrested.. But ratings are the problem.

I cant see how product placing will make any difference? they cant fill the time frame they would like with normal advertising brakes they would like, product placement is not going to save the show if they cant fill the time slots they have now.

I can tell you now if they do that it will kill the show even more than it is already i will not watch a tin of beans sitting on a shelf or a bottle of coke ect.. how many times in the 1 hour HL show are we going to see the tins of beans and bottles of coke ect.. then have 5 mins adds every 15 minutes? show will not be worth watching


DAY 34

8:51am - Jeff looks for breakfast, he takes out the box of yummy scrummy cereal that will keep him going till after lunch

11:23 - after eating X cereal Jeff is full of beans (baked by Heinz) when doing the task and passes with ease after having a full bowl of X cereal - the other housemates fail

12:37 Jeff rests on his comfy X bed and is still full after eating x cereal




It would be like The Truman Show where his wife is advertisng on tv, they would be holding the box up to the camera and smiling.

[nut]

Channel 4 have said they want to buy more american programs... (cheap sh*t!)

If Channel 4 still don't want BB then surely the product placement news should get Channel 5 intrested.. But ratings are the problem.

I cant see how product placing will make any difference? they cant fill the time frame they would like with normal advertising brakes they would like, product placement is not going to save the show if they cant fill the time slots they have now.

I can tell you now if they do that it will kill the show even more than it is already i will not watch a tin of beans sitting on a shelf or a bottle of coke ect.. how many times in the 1 hour HL show are we going to see the tins of beans and bottles of coke ect.. then have 5 mins adds every 15 minutes? show will not be worth watching


DAY 34

8:51am - Jeff looks for breakfast, he takes out the box of yummy scrummy cereal that will keep him going till after lunch

11:23 - after eating X cereal Jeff is full of beans (baked by Heinz) when doing the task and passes with ease after having a full bowl of X cereal - the other housemates fail

12:37 Jeff rests on his comfy X bed and is still full after eating x cereal

that would p** me right off i dont want to know about what beans they are eating the have been telling me every day and its only day 34 like ******* will i put up with that for another 59 days sorry talking about the same old sh*t they said yestarday and jeff as just wiped his arse with andrex bog roll is not what i want to see or hear about every time the narrator speaks i dont want to hear him selling me anything I hope they try to save BB not kill it even more than i can be killed FFS doing what you are saying i will turn off and i think most of the die hard fans will do the same IMHO

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

that would p** me right off i dont want to know about what beans they are eating the have been telling me every day and its only day 34 like ******* will i put up with that for another 59 days sorry talking about the same old sh*t they said yestarday and jeff as just wiped his arse with andrex bog roll is not what i want to see or hear about every time the narrator speaks i dont want to hear him selling me anything I hope they try to save BB not kill it even more than i can be killed FFS doing what you are saying i will turn off and i think most of the die hard fans will do the same IMHO[/rquote]

And BB, because of the nature and the way its shot, would be filled with PP. Just not good.

It will be bad enough in normal tv, why should BB be made worse by it (and I think its fair to say that it would be).

DAY 76

Jeff and Tanya argue about who's sheets are the whitest.

Bobs task is to decide which brand has whiter sheets.

[nut]

that would p** me right off i dont want to know about what beans they are eating the have been telling me every day and its only day 34 like ******* will i put up with that for another 59 days sorry talking about the same old sh*t they said yestarday and jeff as just wiped his arse with andrex bog roll is not what i want to see or hear about every time the narrator speaks i dont want to hear him selling me anything I hope they try to save BB not kill it even more than i can be killed FFS doing what you are saying i will turn off and i think most of the die hard fans will do the same IMHO

And BB, because of the nature and the way its shot, would be filled with PP. Just not good.

It will be bad enough in normal tv, why should BB be made worse by it (and I think its fair to say that it would be).

DAY 76

Jeff and Tanya argue about who's sheets are the whitest.

Bobs task is to decide which brand has whiter sheets.

[/rquote]exactly! if they moan they have sh** amount of viewers watching now, god help them if they try and pull that s**t! they will be lucky to get 100 people watching after all how many people sit and watch adds ? most turn over till they finish or go make a cup of tea no one watches adds = no one will watch BB

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

And BB could be one of the worst programs for it,

every appliance
every bit of furniture
every bit of bedding
every food item - would the housemates be given a brand choice in the shopping list?
C4 would get every item for free and then close up on them. After all, the companies would want airtime, and they only care about viewing figures not content.

It would be a nail in BB's coffin....

The opening sequence would be like the scene from Fight Club where everything he owns becomes a catalog item.

http://www.theanaloguerevolution.com/images/obey-consume-conform-Tee-shirt.png

[Shasown]

I am sure if the government relax the regulations banning product placement they will bring in something to ensure it isnt blatant or as in your face as you seem to think it will be.

All it should be is the fact brand names need no longer be covered and manufacturers like Kellogs could approach TV production companies and ask them to use their products as opposed to others in kitchen shots etc.

I wouldnt worry too much about it as we will have certain forum members taking the opportunity to harangue the Advertising Standards Authority as well as Ofcom and Oftel in order to ensure we dont get brainwashed by product placement.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

I am sure if the government relax the regulations banning product placement they will bring in something to ensure it isnt blatant or as in your face as you seem to think it will be.

All it should be is the fact brand names need no longer be covered and manufacturers like Kellogs could approach TV production companies and ask them to use their products as opposed to others in kitchen shots etc.

I wouldnt worry too much about it as we will have certain forum members taking the opportunity to harangue the Advertising Standards Authority as well as Ofcom and Oftel in order to ensure we dont get brainwashed by product placement.

Oh, I don't think it will be that bad at all, but its just the start. I like being able to watch a TV program without seeing brand names on everything, it was one of the good things about British programming even on the commercial channels.

People turn the adverts over for many reasons - isn't it possible that one of those reasons is they are becoming sick of the constant bombardment we are already getting?

And unfortunately companies will try underhanded tricks, what we might fine them? they get more advertisement on the news and they have already had the influence, its hardly an incentive.

Im not one to phone in and complain, but on a forum I will discuss it, especially when regarding the desperate need to hold onto this concept of a show, even thinking that it will be a good thing just to save BB?

[Shasown]

Im not one to phone in and complain, but on a forum I will discuss it, especially when regarding the desperate need to hold onto this concept of a show, even thinking that it will be a good thing just to save BB?

PMSL It wasn't you I was referring to AOAJ, with the complaints thing. And you know it :wink:

But yeah I can appreciate your points about it being the start of a slippery slope.

[nut]

I am sure if the government relax the regulations banning product placement they will bring in something to ensure it isnt blatant or as in your face as you seem to think it will be.

All it should be is the fact brand names need no longer be covered and manufacturers like Kellogs could approach TV production companies and ask them to use their products as opposed to others in kitchen shots etc.

I wouldnt worry too much about it as we will have certain forum members taking the opportunity to harangue the Advertising Standards Authority as well as Ofcom and Oftel in order to ensure we dont get brainwashed by product placement.Iv seen it done in films, but it will not work with BB no one will spend the kind of money C4 will ask to flash they'er product for a few seconds every once in a while and if they over flash products or mention them then even more people will turn off than they have done already!

time to face facts Big Brother is dead after 2010 no one wants it, all this talk about saving the program with add placing is clutching at straws not even LF will save BB The GBP dont care for the show anymore only hard core fans do and this product placing sh*t will kill most of them off.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

Im not one to phone in and complain, but on a forum I will discuss it, especially when regarding the desperate need to hold onto this concept of a show, even thinking that it will be a good thing just to save BB?

PMSL It wasn't you I was referring to AOAJ, with the complaints thing. And you know it :wink:

But yeah I can appreciate your points about it being the start of a slippery slope.

LMAO no, sorry I didn't actually know - though I should of realised.

I was just in rant mode (though I will defend what I have said).


It is a very slippery slope - these big companies have strong lobbists, they can flex their muscles too easily and get away with it (supermarkets and the cost of milk) they donate money to electoral candidates in the hope of favours later on - but they do it for both parties. Its a shame to see this come into this country.

Im too lazy to phone and complain, anyway my soapbox doesn't have a landline.

[Jords]

I dont know if its a good thing or a bad thing,
I will have to wait and see. :joker:

[ElProximo]

Why!? PRODUCT PLACEMENT, thats why.
For the first time permission as been given for Television company's to show/advertise products on British Television shows.
For years aired programs have not been allowed to, BB always puts stickers over the products, Tee Shirts slogan, Soaps show products with labels facing away from Camera.
Under new rules, if advertisers pay for the product to be shown they can now do it.
And it's worth Millions to them.
BB as the potential to be in the Big Earners making it very viable to keep it going.
Watch this space.

I'm sure someone mentioned this already but BBUSA has been doing that for many years.
Why it worked:
Guests (as they are called) having lost food challenges and eating peanut butter and jam sandwiches for a week win a McDonalds Order-in and as you can imagine are almost orgasming over how amazing and good it tastes mmmMMM!
Good.
or,
Selected Guests 2 months without television get a special 'premiere showing' of an upcoming movie on a big screen television. Not only do they scream and dance over seeing 'Cop Buddies Pt. 3' but afterwards everyone else asks them about it, talks about it, raves about it.
Good.

The bad:
Guests seen and heard loving Coke and specialty ice-creme are then talking about their herpes ointment while the other talks about how his anus was once bleeding after an older client sodomized him and another is being reported for trying to finger and creep HMs.
I suppose every sponsor who had a product placement in BBUSA 6 was absolutely horrified to associate any products with nearly anyone in that season.
Probably asked BB to put 'digital blurs' for any repeats or box-set DVDs afterwards.

Do they really want Marcus holding a big bright can of lucozade while he eats his own toenail clippings?
How about BB9 Alex threatening to shoot someone and uses her York chocolate bar as if it were the gun 'pow pow'.

I dunno.. I don't have official numbers but it sure did seem like BBUSA really dropped a lot of product placements and I can barely remember any in BB9 for example.
A 'safe' bet though is things like the biggest most beautiful plasma screen television with 'Sony' prominently featured. Its not 'personally associated' with any HM so its a safer bet.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

ElProximo - all your points sound bad though - do we need people orgasming over a crappy burger? We had that with Mohammed last year it wasn't good to see...

[ElProximo]

ElProximo - all your points sound bad though - do we need people orgasming over a crappy burger? We had that with Mohammed last year it wasn't good to see...

Heh well I know who came up with the hilarious idea of putting Mo in a room full of food to engorge his gluttony till he was sickened lol!

But yeah, when I say 'good' I mean it was good for the sponsor to see half-starved young people squealing and dancing over their cheeseburgers heh,
but,
No it wasn't fun for us the viewers and even worse is that on live-feed they would discuss wanting to get advert contracts with various sponsors.. ..and would later be seen putting on little 'skits' over the products:
The storeroom is opened and glamour-girl clone screams and bounces wildly "OH MA GAHD.. I SO LUVVVVV BREYERS ICE-CREME OH YUMMMYYY!!!!"
Then is sure to be holding the container (label facing cams) and oopsy.. dripping it down her plastic boobs and mentioning the name 4 times lol.
(I am not even exaggerating I swear it).

Another odd thing was seeing the 'McDonalds Task/Prize' and then on the next episode the video from that was then edited into an advert that ran on the program.

I dunno.. I can see them doing it for sure but it might not go over so well with the audience in the UK who has much less tolerance for that sort of thing.

[Appearance_Of_A_Junky]

ElProximo - all your points sound bad though - do we need people orgasming over a crappy burger? We had that with Mohammed last year it wasn't good to see...

Heh well I know who came up with the hilarious idea of putting Mo in a room full of food to engorge his gluttony till he was sickened lol!

But yeah, when I say 'good' I mean it was good for the sponsor to see half-starved young people squealing and dancing over their cheeseburgers heh,
but,
No it wasn't fun for us the viewers and even worse is that on live-feed they would discuss wanting to get advert contracts with various sponsors.. ..and would later be seen putting on little 'skits' over the products:
The storeroom is opened and glamour-girl clone screams and bounces wildly "OH MA GAHD.. I SO LUVVVVV BREYERS ICE-CREME OH YUMMMYYY!!!!"
Then is sure to be holding the container (label facing cams) and oopsy.. dripping it down her plastic boobs and mentioning the name 4 times lol.
(I am not even exaggerating I swear it).

Another odd thing was seeing the 'McDonalds Task/Prize' and then on the next episode the video from that was then edited into an advert that ran on the program.

I dunno.. I can see them doing it for sure but it might not go over so well with the audience in the UK who has much less tolerance for that sort of thing.


We have less tolerance now, but in a few years once we are used to it, they will be able to get more blatent than before. Everything has to start somewhere.

[merv]

Just caught up again, I doubt anyone would notice differance, it just means lables would need not be covered.
There would be no need ofdeliberate placeing of items
If anything the current system makes you more curious to what they are drinking for example.

[mike888]

You're all clutching at straws, it's not about being able to show a can of Coke sitting on the table, BB has run it's course and C4 have come to the decision they dont want to throw good money after bad when the viewing figures are declining and the people are losing interest. The only reason E4 had breaks through the night was because they were contracted to show the Lucozade add a certain number of times per hour, there were no other adverts just promos for upcoming shows. Commercial television is all about ratings, and high ratings attract advertisers. It's only common sense to see that they would rather attract high revenue advertisers rather than grab a few quid from Tesco's by not covering up the brand names on the weekly shopping list. BB is a very costly show to produce which takes up a lot of air time and requires staff to work 24/7 monitoring and editing the live feed and the highlights show. It's not cost effective anymore and that is why it's being axed and why every tv company that has been approached by Endemol has turned it down. Just accept BB11 will be the last ever and don't get false hopes up, it's far more complex than just being able to show a tin of baked beans!

[merv]

Well Mike we shall have to wait and see.
BB is still very much a big show around the world, as it runs its course? probably in the way it as been run for the last few years.
A bit like having Beans on Toast everyday, it hasn't moved much in it's portrayal of housemates, same ol mish mash.
I notice the head of Channel 4 left on Wednesday.
BB is still channel 4's biggest program, there fatted Cow if you like.
I personaly feel another Broadcaster will take the option and Endomol claim to be in talks with several company's.
Watch this space.

[BigBummer]

BB going out, product placement coming in, Andy Dun.can resigning...........

Oh and by the way.... their, not there.

[merv]

Oh and by the way.... their, not there.
Matters not,you read it:thumbs:

[merv]

"BB going out, product placement coming in, Andy Dun.can resigning""
And by the way to you Big Bummer Duncan..... not Dun.can