Michael Jackson, true legend.

[InOne]

Whatever is said about him, he is a legend. His music is ace and half of you teens would not have your music if it was not for him.

[Iceman]

Yeah musically he was just awe inspiring...

his personal life was a mess i wouldn't even know where to begin on saying anything about it...

Anyway can't wait for this is it...:hello:

[Shaun]

<3

[Princess]

Yeah musically he was just awe inspiring...

his personal life was a mess i wouldn't even know where to begin on saying anything about it...

Anyway can't wait for this is it...:hello:

Just what I was going say. Musical legend but not legend legend.

[Lauren]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone doubt his contribution to music.

[Iceman]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone doubt his contribution to music.

Yeah ive never heard anyone talk bad about his music...

[InOne]

Yeah just a legend. Was watching the full Smooth Criminal video while posting this and just thought he is a great all around. The dancing in some of his vids is just ace. Can't knock him really.

[Lauren]

Best dancing in his vid for me is Don't Stop Til You Get Enough. Seriously, that era for MJ was amazing - that was his prime!

[InOne]

Infact to add to his greatness. The Liberian Girl video was one of the best ever. He had everyone from 80's hollywood involved, loads of stars, such a great vid the way it came together. I don't know a star who could do that now.

[InOne]

Best dancing in his vid for me is Don't Stop Til You Get Enough. Seriously, that era for MJ was amazing - that was his prime!

Smooth Criminal is the best dance vid you will ever see the 9min version.

[Iceman]

I really cant wait to see "This Is It" his beatboxing sounds hilarious!!!!!!!

Man In The Mirror Live go watch it, unblelievable!

[InOne]

I really cant wait to see "This Is It" his beatboxing sounds hilarious!!!!!!!

Man In The Mirror Live go watch it, unblelievable!


Yeah was wondering about that lol

[Iceman]

just phenomenal atmosphere

[InOne]

Well I was in a manic phase listening to him before he died lol Kept listening to Liberian Girl, the end bit just really got to me. Seems like I would not have got out of my manic phase if it was not for this song lol that is why I like him and that song. Although always liked him as a kid.

[Iceman]

Well I was in a manic phase listening to him before he died lol Kept listening to Liberian Girl, the end bit just really got to me. Seems like I would not have got out of my manic phase if it was not for this song lol that is why I like him and that song. Although always liked him as a kid.

The night he died was so surreal

2 of my mates came round and we were having a few beers talking about him (this is before he died) we were saying how we didn't think he'd do the concerts becuase he would be too sick or dead....

10 minutes later we got a text and well......

so scray that we were talking about him being dead minutes before hand...

[InOne]

Well I was in a manic phase listening to him before he died lol Kept listening to Liberian Girl, the end bit just really got to me. Seems like I would not have got out of my manic phase if it was not for this song lol that is why I like him and that song. Although always liked him as a kid.

The night he died was so surreal

2 of my mates came round and we were having a few beers talking about him (this is before he died) we were saying how we didn't think he'd do the concerts becuase he would be too sick or dead....

10 minutes later we got a text and well......

so scray that we were talking about him being dead minutes before hand...

Yeah, he is just not the sort of person you expect to die like that really :S

[Iceman]

I know it was shocking....we stayed in my house awake drinking all night watching his videos..........my dad wasnt best pleased....

[Harry!]

Madonna's VMA speech proves how much a legend he was. Always will be remembered for how inspiring he was and how much talent he had to offer. Now there is only one legend left, That is Madonna. Long live the king and queen of pop!

[NettoSuperstar!]

If only Gary Glitter had made better music eh!!:xyxwave:

http://newsarse.com/2009/07/paedophiles-to-further-careers-in-hope-of-acceptance-by-society/

[InOne]

If only Gary Glitter had made better music eh!!:xyxwave:

http://newsarse.com/2009/07/paedophiles-to-further-careers-in-hope-of-acceptance-by-society/


Come on lol Don't start all that, this thread is about the music not the man.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I liked Off the Wall and Thriller:thumbs:

[Twilight]

I still love Thriller to this day i remember singing and dancing to it when i was 4:hugesmile:

[InOne]

I think 'Give in to me' was quite underrated, even had Slash in.

[Tom]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone doubt his contribution to music.

Yeah ive never heard anyone talk bad about his music...

First time for everything then ... most of it is sh*t and I don't buy into the whole "music wouldn't be what it is" without him. He was just a cog in the Motown wheel, so many other artists that sounded a lot like him.

[M X]

My mum seen him live loads of times years ago, and said he was absolutley fantastic. I was hoping to go with my friend to see This Is It in London, next year. But, sadly obviously not. :sad:

Can't wait for the movie!
:hello:

He still is amazing.

[MrGaryy]

Madonna's VMA speech proves how much a legend he was. Always will be remembered for how inspiring he was and how much talent he had to offer. Now there is only one legend left, That is Madonna. Long live the king and queen of pop!

erm Whitney?

[Shaun]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone doubt his contribution to music.

Yeah ive never heard anyone talk bad about his music...

First time for everything then ... most of it is sh*t and I don't buy into the whole "music wouldn't be what it is" without him. He was just a cog in the Motown wheel, so many other artists that sounded a lot like him.

:rolleyes:

Thriller. Off The Wall. Bad. 3 of the best albums of all time. I...no, I don't know where to begin with that. Tom, honestly, get out.

[InOne]

Yeah he did make a massvie contribution to music. Doubt anyone will ever have that impact again.

[Tom]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone doubt his contribution to music.

Yeah ive never heard anyone talk bad about his music...

First time for everything then ... most of it is sh*t and I don't buy into the whole "music wouldn't be what it is" without him. He was just a cog in the Motown wheel, so many other artists that sounded a lot like him.

:rolleyes:

Thriller. Off The Wall. Bad. 3 of the best albums of all time. I...no, I don't know where to begin with that. Tom, honestly, get out.

I don't think ANYONE can have a revolutionary effect on music. Where I'm not denying his strong sales and that some of his songs were good, IMO most of them were rubbish. What was this amazing impact on music he was supposed to have had? Why was he so different from other people despite having a longer career than most, which might I add died on its arse by the end. Where were his fans then?

[InOne]

You do betten than MJ Tom, then you can have an opinion.

[Shaun]

Tom - look at Justin Timberlake, Usher, Ne-Yo, Chris Brown - they're all carbon copies of his dancing and music style; none of that was around before him.

The music video: Thriller. It's undeniable how much of an impact that had on the music video revolution - ever since people have been trying to make brilliant videos. The choreography was similarly influencial.

[arsenalforever]

OFF the wall and Thriller are classic's and the stuff with Jackson 5 is classic

very,thing after sucked

[InOne]

I liked, 'Give in to me' by him and Slash.

[Tom]

You do betten than MJ Tom, then you can have an opinion.

Then you can apply that to anyone, right down to one hit wonders who you can't slag off because they've done better than you

Tom - look at Justin Timberlake, Usher, Ne-Yo, Chris Brown - they're all carbon copies of his dancing and music style; none of that was around before him.

The music video: Thriller. It's undeniable how much of an impact that had on the music video revolution - ever since people have been trying to make brilliant videos. The choreography was similarly influencial.

Dancing- yeah I can see that. But not the same style as Usher etc at all. MJ was pop, they aren't. I agree that Thriller was a good music video but people were trying to make good ones before that and because it was at a time when videos had only just started it was inevitable people were going to try and make really good ones afterwards. Obviously Thriller set a benchmark but it doesn't make it revolutionary ... Where I'm not denying his influence I just think its vastly overrated and he was nowhere near as influential as a lot of people think

[Shaun]

Influence = people like JT/Chris Brown/Neyo/Usher growing up with his music and deciding that's what they want to do. What isn't influencial about that? Even they themselves cite him as a huge influence.

[Tom]

Influence = people like JT/Chris Brown/Neyo/Usher growing up with his music and deciding that's what they want to do. What isn't influencial about that? Even they themselves cite him as a huge influence.

Because they might have wanted to do that anyway by looking at other big artists that were around at that time?

[Shaun]

But they didn't - they were inspired by him. I think your hatred of him is blinding you here. Meh I'm done. He IS a massive influence on music, no question.

[Tom]

But they didn't - they were inspired by him. I think your hatred of him is blinding you here. Meh I'm done. He IS a massive influence on music, no question.

I didn't say he wasn't, its just overstated. And they will have been influenced by other artists anyway ..........

[MassiveTruck]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone doubt his contribution to music.

Yeah ive never heard anyone talk bad about his music...

I've heard loads of people doubt his music and his contribution as well.

Just melody slave are most of his songs and he's iconic due to the massive publicity campaign around the Thriller and Bad videos.

I like the songs, some of them are great but I think he's a pop icon, owing a great deal to publicity and marketing.

[MassiveTruck]

Tom - look at Justin Timberlake, Usher, Ne-Yo, Chris Brown - they're all carbon copies of his dancing and music style; none of that was around before him.

The music video: Thriller. It's undeniable how much of an impact that had on the music video revolution - ever since people have been trying to make brilliant videos. The choreography was similarly influencial.

I think all those artists were not really made because of Michael and are hardly carbon copies of his dancing or music. His music is just generic pop - be it very good pop music. Far better than what the above mentioned do.

I think the ones you mentioned are in the industry due to a demand for dance led music with lyrics that require an image to go with it. That image is a man making sexually suggestive movements while he dances which is what the people you mention do.

If the industry didn't want that then they wouldn't have a chance in the business because they're just a bunch of singers with little to no musical talent.

[alc09]

Oh shut the **** up Tom, you're talking absolute shite.

[CookieDough4000]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone doubt his contribution to music.

Yeah ive never heard anyone talk bad about his music...

First time for everything then ... most of it is sh*t and I don't buy into the whole "music wouldn't be what it is" without him. He was just a cog in the Motown wheel, so many other artists that sounded a lot like him.

:rolleyes:

Thriller. Off The Wall. Bad. 3 of the best albums of all time. I...no, I don't know where to begin with that. Tom, honestly, get out.

I don't think ANYONE can have a revolutionary effect on music. Where I'm not denying his strong sales and that some of his songs were good, IMO most of them were rubbish. What was this amazing impact on music he was supposed to have had? Why was he so different from other people despite having a longer career than most, which might I add died on its arse by the end. Where were his fans then?



Where were all his fans then? Buying all the tickets to his sell-out comeback tour? Where do you want them to be, wiping his arse? What the hell are you talking about? Who the hell are you? You began this stupid tirade with a particularly ridiculous statement, 'I don't believe any music act can be revolutionary'. What kind of a ****ing statement is that? Have you not heard of Little Richard? Elvis Presley? The Beatles?

You do betten than MJ Tom, then you can have an opinion.

Then you can apply that to anyone, right down to one hit wonders who you can't slag off because they've done better than you

Tom - look at Justin Timberlake, Usher, Ne-Yo, Chris Brown - they're all carbon copies of his dancing and music style; none of that was around before him.

The music video: Thriller. It's undeniable how much of an impact that had on the music video revolution - ever since people have been trying to make brilliant videos. The choreography was similarly influencial.

Dancing- yeah I can see that. But not the same style as Usher etc at all. MJ was pop, they aren't. I agree that Thriller was a good music video but people were trying to make good ones before that and because it was at a time when videos had only just started it was inevitable people were going to try and make really good ones afterwards. Obviously Thriller set a benchmark but it doesn't make it revolutionary ... Where I'm not denying his influence I just think its vastly overrated and he was nowhere near as influential as a lot of people think

Not the same style? Do you even know who Usher is? All these modern RnB artists are carbon copy rip-offs of Michael Jackson: the high pitched voice, the dance moves.

And you totally miss the ****ing point, people were not trying to make music videos like that before him. He was the one that turned the music video into an art form. Everybody acknowledges this. Why the hell are you trying to deny it? Are you being oppositional for its own sake? Did you have authoritarian parents? What are you going to argue next, that the earth is flat? For God's sake, stop talking ****.

Influence = people like JT/Chris Brown/Neyo/Usher growing up with his music and deciding that's what they want to do. What isn't influencial about that? Even they themselves cite him as a huge influence.

Because they might have wanted to do that anyway by looking at other big artists that were around at that time?



What a load of ****ing crap. Name one please? Pink Floyd? Queen? ABBA? Oh what's that? None of the big artists immediately before Michael Jackson were like Michael Jackson? Oh. Yeah. **** off.

[Tom]

Oh shut the **** up Tom, you're talking absolute shite.

You shut the ****** up just because someone has a different opinion to you

[Tom]

Not the same style? Do you even know who Usher is? All these modern RnB artists are carbon copy rip-offs of Michael Jackson: the high pitched voice, the dance moves.[/quote]

Michael Jackson wasn't an RnB artist and his style is completely different to Usher. OK maybe the high pitched voice but thats about where it ends, and he doesn't even use that very frequently anyway.

And you totally miss the ****ing point, people were not trying to make music videos like that before him. He was the one that turned the music video into an art form. Everybody acknowledges this. Why the hell are you trying to deny it? Are you being oppositional for its own sake? Did you have authoritarian parents? What are you going to argue next, that the earth is flat? For God's sake, stop talking ****.

Erm, yes they were. Stop talking ****. Michael's set the benchmark thats all.

Where were all his fans then? Buying all the tickets to his sell-out comeback tour? Where do you want them to be, wiping his arse? What the hell are you talking about? Who the hell are you? You began this stupid tirade with a particularly ridiculous statement, 'I don't believe any music act can be revolutionary'. What kind of a ****ing statement is that? Have you not heard of Little Richard? Elvis Presley? The Beatles?

If they were true fans they would have supported him and not have let his career die on its arse by the end. And no I don't think any act can be that revolutionary. Yes I have heard of them and whilst I'm not denying their influence (including MJ's) I think they're very overstated and nowhere near as influential as some think. At the end of the day, people are their own artists.

[quote]What a load of ****ing crap. Name one please? Pink Floyd? Queen? ABBA? Oh what's that? None of the big artists immediately before Michael Jackson were like Michael Jackson? Oh. Yeah. **** off.

Were there many acts like ABBA around before them? No. And a lot of artists around before Michael some people use as an inspiration, even going into Motown (where MJ originated from and sounded just like everyone else).

Looks like you're another one who can't accept a differing opinion so has to resort to being rude :pat:

[MassiveTruck]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone doubt his contribution to music.

Yeah ive never heard anyone talk bad about his music...

First time for everything then ... most of it is sh*t and I don't buy into the whole "music wouldn't be what it is" without him. He was just a cog in the Motown wheel, so many other artists that sounded a lot like him.

:rolleyes:

Thriller. Off The Wall. Bad. 3 of the best albums of all time. I...no, I don't know where to begin with that. Tom, honestly, get out.

I don't think ANYONE can have a revolutionary effect on music. Where I'm not denying his strong sales and that some of his songs were good, IMO most of them were rubbish. What was this amazing impact on music he was supposed to have had? Why was he so different from other people despite having a longer career than most, which might I add died on its arse by the end. Where were his fans then?



I have to agree. Since Bad, he's been fairly rubbish with the odd decent song now and again. He was like any other pop star having no real staying power unless they have scandal of some sort.

Rock stars have staying power because they are musicians inside and out while pop stars are record company fodder. Just an image.

I can't knock Michael for talent. He is a talented man but I think there are far more talented people like Michael in the music industry and outside it too. Michael was just lucky to have had the connections he had.

[Shaun]

Tom, seriously, you talk so much ****

[Tom]

Tom, seriously, you talk so much ****

Or maybe you just can't accept we don't all think the sun shines out his arse

[CookieDough4000]

Michael Jackson wasn't an RnB artist and his style is completely different to Usher. OK maybe the high pitched voice but thats about where it ends, and he doesn't even use that very frequently anyway.[/quote]

Really? You ****ing think you know more about who influenced Usher than Usher does, do you? Why don't you **** off and do some ****ing research before you start making this crappy points. How about here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson#Legacy_and_influence) for a ****ing start.

"Jackson transformed the art of the music video and paved the way for modern pop music in his own country. Jackson's work, distinctive musical sound and vocal style have influenced scores of hip hop, pop and R&B artists, including Mariah Carey,[222] Usher,[223] Britney Spears,[222] Justin Timberlake[109] and R. Kelly.[179] For much of his career, he had an "unparalleled" level of worldwide influence over the younger generation through his musical and humanitarian contributions.[224] Jackson's videos and music helped break down racial barriers when first shown on MTV, putting the relatively new channel on the map, changing its focus from rock to pop music and R&B, and therefore shaping it to what it is today. Jackson remained a staple on MTV through the 90s."

Talking out of your arse? Yeah.


Erm, yes they were. Stop talking ****. Michael's set the benchmark thats all.

Okay. Want to ****ing name one? Here's a ****ing idea for you, yeah? You stop making blanket statements and start giving proof. 'Yes there were'. You've had plenty of time to name one. Here's another chance. And you've just admitted you were talking ****, because you yourself just said 'Michael set the benchmark'. That's our whole ****ing point.


If they were true fans they would have supported him and not have let his career die on its arse by the end. And no I don't think any act can be that revolutionary. Yes I have heard of them and whilst I'm not denying their influence (including MJ's) I think they're very overstated and nowhere near as influential as some think. At the end of the day, people are their own artists.

Yeah, again, you might want to make sure you know what you're ****ing talking about before you s*** all over your own argument. Michael's last release was 'Invincible' in 2001, and what's that? It went to number one in every major country in the world and sold thirteen million copies? Oh yeah, more ****ing bullshit from you. And when the new tour was announced, what happened? Oh that's right, it ****ing sold out immediately. His fans were there for him in every way they could be. They bought his records, bought his tickets. His career didn't die, which is why he had such a ****ing huge tour coming. It was halted by the accusations against him, that is ****ing all. The last time he released an album is sold millions, the last time he announced a tour it sold out straight-a-****ing-way, in between he released nothing for the fans to support.

People are not their own ****ing artists. Everyone is influenced by those that come before them, and some influence more than others. You're saying Elvis's influence is overrated? Little Richard's? Are you ****ing serious? You think artists just wake up one morning and happen to make music that sounds just like the music of other people? You are talking such ****. Every artist acknowledges influences. Who the **** do you think you are to tell them they're wrong?

[quote]
Were there many acts like ABBA around before them? No. And a lot of artists around before Michael some people use as an inspiration, even going into Motown (where MJ originated from and sounded just like everyone else).

Looks like you're another one who can't accept a differing opinion so has to resort to being rude :pat:

Nobody has said Michael is the only influence. It's you that has decided to disagree with everyone - with the musical community, with the consensus, with MTV, and with Usher and all the other artists themselves - by saying he's overrated. You don't have a clue what you're ****ing talking about.

Looks like you're another one of those twats who thinks that 'it's my opinion' counts as a ****ing argument. Your opinion isn't worth s*** unless you can back it up reasoning and facts. You've provided ****ing neither.

[Tom]

I'm not even going to respond to any of that because you're being so rude its unreal, all I can see is ***** everywhere so I'm not even going to bother reading it, because its going to be full of attacks. Until you can learn to argue properly without resorting to such tactics and keeping calm, without getting upset that someone has a different opinion to you, then I'm not bothering.

[CookieDough4000]

I'm not even going to respond to any of that because you're being so rude its unreal, all I can see is ***** everywhere so I'm not even going to bother reading it, because its going to be full of attacks. Until you can learn to argue properly without resorting to such tactics and keeping calm, without getting upset that someone has a different opinion to you, then I'm not bothering.



Hahaha, nice excuse. You were wrong. Have the balls to admit it.

[Tom]

Nah, I'm just not going to read it because your attitude stinks and I refuse to be in an argument with someone who can't argue properly.

[CookieDough4000]

Nothing like a loser who thinks hes superior.

[MrGaryy]

i know I'll get torn to shreds by Shaun, but I agree with Tom on a lot of this. :P

[alc09]

Oh shut the **** up Tom, you're talking absolute shite.

You shut the ****** up just because someone has a different opinion to you
Nah, it's because your a clueless little boy. :thumbs:

[setanta]

I love how this forum throws up such silly threads that have no basis in fact. The reality is that Michael Jackson created a totally new brand of music that fused rock n' roll sensibilities with Motowns funk and soul, which catapulted him into the stratosphere and in doing so he became the greatest living musical icon of the last 20 odd years. Whether you like him or not, there's no denying the huge influence he's had on popular culture.

[InOne]

I love how this forum throws up such silly threads that have no basis in fact. The reality is that Michael Jackson created a totally new brand of music that fused rock n' roll sensibilities with Motowns funk and soul, which catapulted him into the stratosphere and in doing so he became the greatest living musical icon of the last 20 odd years. Whether you like him or not, there's no denying the huge influence he's had on popular culture.

These people need to get it into their heads that im always right. If I say he is a legend, he is a legend. :thumbs:

[setanta]

I love how this forum throws up such silly threads that have no basis in fact. The reality is that Michael Jackson created a totally new brand of music that fused rock n' roll sensibilities with Motowns funk and soul, which catapulted him into the stratosphere and in doing so he became the greatest living musical icon of the last 20 odd years. Whether you like him or not, there's no denying the huge influence he's had on popular culture.

These people need to get it into their heads that im always right. If I say he is a legend, he is a legend. :thumbs:

Hey, and I'm not even a particularly big fan of his - I just can recognise the huge impact he's had on popular music.

[InOne]

I love how this forum throws up such silly threads that have no basis in fact. The reality is that Michael Jackson created a totally new brand of music that fused rock n' roll sensibilities with Motowns funk and soul, which catapulted him into the stratosphere and in doing so he became the greatest living musical icon of the last 20 odd years. Whether you like him or not, there's no denying the huge influence he's had on popular culture.

These people need to get it into their heads that im always right. If I say he is a legend, he is a legend. :thumbs:

Hey, and I'm not even a particularly big fan of his - I just can recognise the huge impact he's had on popular music.

Yeah, it's hard to deny really.

[MarkWaldorf]

Wow at some people in this thread. It's called an opinion, look it up.

[Tom]

Oh shut the **** up Tom, you're talking absolute shite.

You shut the ****** up just because someone has a different opinion to you
Nah, it's because your a clueless little boy. :thumbs:

You're only showing your own cluelessness here :wink:

1) I never said he isn't a legend. He is. Fact. Whether people like it or not
2) I'm not denying his influence, it just isn't as great as people think
3) The fact I don't like most of his music is IN MY OPINION, hence not a fact, so you've got no grounds to shoot me down there

Understood?

[InOne]

Tom, if you agree all that, then what were you on about in the first place?

[setanta]

You're backtracking Tom. You disagreed about his legacy and the influence he's had on this generation, calling his music s"it and unoriginal too.

[Tom]

Tom, if you agree all that, then what were you on about in the first place?

Point number 2, which I've said more than once already in this thread.

You're backtracking Tom. You disagreed about his legacy and the influence he's had on this generation, calling his music s"it and unoriginal too.

How can I back track on something I never said? You're just jumping the gun with what I actually did say.

[setanta]

Tom, if you agree all that, then what were you on about in the first place?

Point number 2, which I've said more than once already in this thread.

You're backtracking Tom. You disagreed about his legacy and the influence he's had on this generation, calling his music s"it and unoriginal too.

How can I back track on something I never said? You're just jumping the gun with what I actually did say.

You did say it all. Read back on ur comments.

[Tom]

Tom, if you agree all that, then what were you on about in the first place?

Point number 2, which I've said more than once already in this thread.

You're backtracking Tom. You disagreed about his legacy and the influence he's had on this generation, calling his music s"it and unoriginal too.

How can I back track on something I never said? You're just jumping the gun with what I actually did say.

You did say it all. Read back on ur comments.

Perhaps you should check back through my comments. I've argued all the way through his impact/legacy isn't as great as people think it is, not that its non existent. And yes I do think some of his music is sh*t, but to reiterate thats my opinion. Am I not allowed one?

[setanta]

Tom, if you agree all that, then what were you on about in the first place?

Point number 2, which I've said more than once already in this thread.

You're backtracking Tom. You disagreed about his legacy and the influence he's had on this generation, calling his music s"it and unoriginal too.

How can I back track on something I never said? You're just jumping the gun with what I actually did say.

You did say it all. Read back on ur comments.

Perhaps you should check back through my comments. I've argued all the way through his impact/legacy isn't as great as people think it is, not that its non existent. And yes I do think some of his music is sh*t, but to reiterate thats my opinion. Am I not allowed one?

But you've denied that he's influenced other artists and you've stated that he's unoriginal and just part of the Motown machine, nothing more. You said it all. Don't mind you not liking him but give the chap a break - he created a new form of music and has countless imitators and followers.

[MassiveTruck]

You're backtracking Tom. You disagreed about his legacy and the influence he's had on this generation, calling his music s"it and unoriginal too.

But it's not his legacy is it. It's Quincy Jones I think but since Thriller he hasn't done anything as great and Bad was a very good album but not as great. I don't think he transformed anything to be sure.

I find a lot of what he did a natural progression from what was happening in New York at the time - but in this case Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones had the backing of record companies and with it, lots and lots of money as well.

Overall, you have to question Michael's input on the album too because he worked more as a performer at the time and Quincy Jones was so frustrated with him he (allegedly) beat him up to get him back in the studio.

Overall, apart from Billie Jean - the rest of the album are very good pop songs at best. The only classic on the whole album is Billie Jean which doesn't really make it a great album or iconic.

I think he had hit heights like he has by becoming a form of idol for a lot of people.

With the help of creating one of the most expensive videos of all time... he became iconic but I don't think a lot of it has to do with the music. It was hugely financed publicity campaign built on the back of the boom on Wall Street and all the money that was available at the time.

[Tom]

Tom, if you agree all that, then what were you on about in the first place?

Point number 2, which I've said more than once already in this thread.

You're backtracking Tom. You disagreed about his legacy and the influence he's had on this generation, calling his music s"it and unoriginal too.

How can I back track on something I never said? You're just jumping the gun with what I actually did say.

You did say it all. Read back on ur comments.

Perhaps you should check back through my comments. I've argued all the way through his impact/legacy isn't as great as people think it is, not that its non existent. And yes I do think some of his music is sh*t, but to reiterate thats my opinion. Am I not allowed one?

But you've denied that he's influenced other artists and you've stated that he's unoriginal and just part of the Motown machine, nothing more. You said it all. Don't mind you not liking him but give the chap a break - he created a new form of music and has countless imitators and followers.

This is the kind of view I'm arguing against. He did not create a new form of music. I never stated he was unoriginal and have not denied how he has influenced some people. but the way some people go on is as though he's god and the only person in the world to have ever influenced people. I'm simply saying his influence is overstated, how hard is that to grasp without it meaning "he isn't influential"?

And you'll find a lot of artists have countless imitators and followers, MJ isn't alone with that.

[InOne]

Well just look at the video for "Liberian Girl" nobody could get that amout of stars on a video these days. One of the best videos ever.

[MassiveTruck]

Well just look at the video for "Liberian Girl" nobody could get that amout of stars on a video these days. One of the best videos ever.

I think they could if they are paid and I would say these guys were paid and therefore were on the video.

One of the ways Michael was defined was by the big budget over the top video for a song.

[InOne]

Well just look at the video for "Liberian Girl" nobody could get that amout of stars on a video these days. One of the best videos ever.

I think they could if they are paid and I would say these guys were paid and therefore were on the video.

One of the ways Michael was defined was by the big budget over the top video for a song.

Nah, he had a lot of connections in the 80's and early 90's. It takes a lot for Spielberg to appear in a vid!

[alc09]

haha made yourself look like a bit of a twat there eh Tom, ****ing backtracking :joker:

[MassiveTruck]

Well just look at the video for "Liberian Girl" nobody could get that amout of stars on a video these days. One of the best videos ever.

I think they could if they are paid and I would say these guys were paid and therefore were on the video.

One of the ways Michael was defined was by the big budget over the top video for a song.

Nah, he had a lot of connections in the 80's and early 90's. It takes a lot for Spielberg to appear in a vid!




They all want to be paid mate.

[Tom]

haha made yourself look like a bit of a t*** there eh Tom, ****ing backtracking :joker:

nah you're the one making yourself look like a twat, I can't backtrack on things I didn't say, although I can appear to back track when you jump the gun on what I actually did say :thumbs:

[alc09]

Your clueless mate, absolutely ****ing clueless.

Oh dear, I have just noticed how many posts you have. :joker:

You must have one very, very sad life.

[Tom]

Your clueless mate, absolutely ****ing clueless.

Oh dear, I have just noticed how many posts you have. :joker:

You must have one very, very sad life.



nah you're clueless and my posts are mainly because of big threads thanks, and I'm nowhere near the top poster, I have a great life thanks :bouncy:

Looks like you're getting petty now because you've got nout else to go on :whistle:

[setanta]

You're backtracking Tom. You disagreed about his legacy and the influence he's had on this generation, calling his music s"it and unoriginal too.

But it's not his legacy is it. It's Quincy Jones I think but since Thriller he hasn't done anything as great and Bad was a very good album but not as great. I don't think he transformed anything to be sure.

I find a lot of what he did a natural progression from what was happening in New York at the time - but in this case Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones had the backing of record companies and with it, lots and lots of money as well.

Overall, you have to question Michael's input on the album too because he worked more as a performer at the time and Quincy Jones was so frustrated with him he (allegedly) beat him up to get him back in the studio.

Overall, apart from Billie Jean - the rest of the album are very good pop songs at best. The only classic on the whole album is Billie Jean which doesn't really make it a great album or iconic.

I think he had hit heights like he has by becoming a form of idol for a lot of people.

With the help of creating one of the most expensive videos of all time... he became iconic but I don't think a lot of it has to do with the music. It was hugely financed publicity campaign built on the back of the boom on Wall Street and all the money that was available at the time.



I think you're allowing your own feelings towards his music overshadow the reality of his huge contribution to music and popular culture. Sure, Quincy Jones was an incredible producer but should you discount the Beatles because of the huge impact George Martin had on them, or Elton John because of his working relationship with Bernie Taupin?

Was Quincy Jones there when Michael Jackson was first introduced to us on tv with the Jackson 5, as he strutted around with a natural magnetism and gift for performing? Watch those clips back- he was already in possession of the kinda star quality that can't be bottled up and sold off to the highest bidder. He had a God given talent that anyone who saw him perform live will testify to. Seriously, he was the next Elvis in how he captured the imaginations of the public and crossed racial barriers with his music.

[alc09]

Your clueless mate, absolutely ****ing clueless.

Oh dear, I have just noticed how many posts you have. :joker:

You must have one very, very sad life.



have a great life thanks :bouncy:


13641 posts on an internet forum based around Big Brother suggests otherwise.

:rolleyes:

[Tom]

Your clueless mate, absolutely ****ing clueless.

Oh dear, I have just noticed how many posts you have. :joker:

You must have one very, very sad life.



have a great life thanks :bouncy:


13641 posts on an internet forum based around Big Brother suggests otherwise.

:rolleyes:

As does being here for 2 years and posting in threads that don't just require one comment (ie conversation threads). check my post history and see how many posts are in either the den or the brotherhood thread ... and I'm nowhere near the top poster anyway, go and moan at people who have 18000+

[alc09]

13647 posts suggests you need to get a life. :thumbs:

Forum most active in: Big Brother 10 (2796 Posts) [20.5% of total posts]

haha grow up

[Tom]

I already have a life thanks, its you that needs to get one :thumbs:

[NettoSuperstar!]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone doubt his contribution to music.

Yeah ive never heard anyone talk bad about his music...

I've heard loads of people doubt his music and his contribution as well.

Just melody slave are most of his songs and he's iconic due to the massive publicity campaign around the Thriller and Bad videos.

I like the songs, some of them are great but I think he's a pop icon, owing a great deal to publicity and marketing.

Bang on right

[Wildcat!]

I didnt want to post on this thread, as it seems like such an obvious statement. Its like saying, the sky is blue. But some back and forth caught my eye.
I cant believe some of you guys argue the obvious known fact. Great posts for some, and kudos to giving your knowledge about MJ. But recognize when someone is arguing just for argument sake. Some people go out of their ways to disagree with everything, even if they dont really know anything about the subject. Its a game people who really have nothing better to do, play to entertain themselves. Please dont indulge them.:spin2:

Anyways, is MJ a legend? IS there any question? Did you not see the effect his passing had? There has never been anything like it. For whatever reason Michael had the ability to touch people, with his music, soul, and just by his presence. Obviously not everyone. BUt no one can touch him, when it comes to the influence he has had, and the amount of love and dedication he receives from his fans. That makes people very envious. MOst people who dislike Michael, do because they cant understand how someone can create such hysteria. So they resort in petty comments trying to deny his genious with no basis whatsoever. Let them live, the insignificant amount of those people, just confirms his stature.

Anyways, the haters will be in for a shock once again, on October 27, when the "this is it" Documentary breaks all the box office records in every country. (Mark my words, it will happen). While alive Michael was a genius. Now that he is gone, I cant even really put into words, the level of his stature.

[Wildcat!]

You're backtracking Tom. You disagreed about his legacy and the influence he's had on this generation, calling his music s"it and unoriginal too.

But it's not his legacy is it. It's Quincy Jones I think but since Thriller he hasn't done anything as great and Bad was a very good album but not as great. I don't think he transformed anything to be sure.

I find a lot of what he did a natural progression from what was happening in New York at the time - but in this case Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones had the backing of record companies and with it, lots and lots of money as well.

Overall, you have to question Michael's input on the album too because he worked more as a performer at the time and Quincy Jones was so frustrated with him he (allegedly) beat him up to get him back in the studio.

Overall, apart from Billie Jean - the rest of the album are very good pop songs at best. The only classic on the whole album is Billie Jean which doesn't really make it a great album or iconic.

I think he had hit heights like he has by becoming a form of idol for a lot of people.

With the help of creating one of the most expensive videos of all time... he became iconic but I don't think a lot of it has to do with the music. It was hugely financed publicity campaign built on the back of the boom on Wall Street and all the money that was available at the time.



Does that not say it all on how clueless some people are on this thread. Billy Jean was definitely not a great record at all!!:laugh:

Anyways, for the record, I think Michael Jackson's best album, was Dangerous. If you ask most real Michael Jackson fans, they will tell you the same. But thriller sold a lot more, and was groundbreaking. But you have to actually listen to the songs to know that. I suspect most naysayers, only know Michaels huge hits. But When you know his whole catalog, its a different story.

[Tom]

I didnt want to post on this thread, as it seems like such an obvious statement. Its like saying, the sky is blue. But some back and forth caught my eye.
I cant believe some of you guys argue the obvious known fact. Great posts for some, and kudos to giving your knowledge about MJ. But recognize when someone is arguing just for argument sake. Some people go out of their ways to disagree with everything, even if they dont really know anything about the subject. Its a game people who really have nothing better to do, play to entertain themselves. Please dont indulge them.:spin2:

Anyways, is MJ a legend? IS there any question? Did you not see the effect his passing had? There has never been anything like it. For whatever reason Michael had the ability to touch people, with his music, soul, and just by his presence. Obviously not everyone. BUt no one can touch him, when it comes to the influence he has had, and the amount of love and dedication he receives from his fans. That makes people very envious. MOst people who dislike Michael, do because they cant understand how someone can create such hysteria. So they resort in petty comments trying to deny his genious with no basis whatsoever. Let them live, the insignificant amount of those people, just confirms his stature.

Anyways, the haters will be in for a shock once again, on October 27, when the "this is it" Documentary breaks all the box office records in every country. (Mark my words, it will happen). While alive Michael was a genius. Now that he is gone, I cant even really put into words, the level of his stature.

People aren't arguing against his legacy which is undeniable, personally I'm questionning his influence, I genuinely don't believe it is not as good as people think. And MassiveTruck seems to be questionning whether he was as talented as people believe or was he just a product of clever marketing? But it will be clever marketing which will smash records as you say, it has effectively had a 4 month long promo with 3 months before that, plus his pulling power. So its not for the reasons you say people dislike him at all ... personally I dislike him because I find him incredibly overrated with a dodgy personal life. It doesn't make for a good role model imo.

[Wildcat!]

Just thought I would post this video. Its well old school from 1974. BUt it shows how ahead of his time MJ was, at 15. Some of the moves on there people started doing that in mainstrem, in the 80's. And some in the 2000 from 2:05 to like 2:10. LOL! I thought those moves were so new and cool just a few years ago.
The more I watch his old performances, the more I am amazed on his influence in modern culture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD2OsUcgb00

[MassiveTruck]

Does that not say it all on how clueless some people are on this thread. Billy Jean was definitely not a great record at all!!:laugh:

Anyways, for the record, I think Michael Jackson's best album, was Dangerous. If you ask most real Michael Jackson fans, they will tell you the same. But thriller sold a lot more, and was groundbreaking. But you have to actually listen to the songs to know that. I suspect most naysayers, only know Michaels huge hits. But When you know his whole catalog, its a different story.

Billie Jean is one of the most if not the most successful song released by Michael Jackson.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_singles_worldwide

Actually it is his most successful song. It wasn't even a title tracker like Black or White was - it was released second from Thriller.

I know all his catalogue by the way. In the grander scheme of things, he wasn't all that.

[arsenalforever]

he took drugs traffic

[Wildcat!]

Does that not say it all on how clueless some people are on this thread. Billy Jean was definitely not a great record at all!!:laugh:

Anyways, for the record, I think Michael Jackson's best album, was Dangerous. If you ask most real Michael Jackson fans, they will tell you the same. But thriller sold a lot more, and was groundbreaking. But you have to actually listen to the songs to know that. I suspect most naysayers, only know Michaels huge hits. But When you know his whole catalog, its a different story.

Billie Jean is one of the most if not the most successful song released by Michael Jackson.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_singles_worldwide

Actually it is his most successful song. It wasn't even a title tracker like Black or White was - it was released second from Thriller.

I know all his catalogue by the way. In the grander scheme of things, he wasn't all that.

LMAO, I was obviously being sarcastic. And did you just direct me to Wikipedia for some info about Michael jackson? You may need wiki, but I certainly dont in this subject.
Actually I meant Thriller the album. My point being, you made the most clueless statement I have ever seen, saying that The other songs in Thriller, apart from Billy Jean werent that great. That says it all about what you know.
Done now!:spin2:

[alc09]

Jacko is the greatest - yes he had a well...strange....personal life but when it comes to music - absolute brilliance and the best by far.

King Of Pop :thumbs: