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Fangz

26-07-2005, 02:29 AM

God, Kemal's an idiot.
Okay, so Kemal claims to have had...oral sex with an older male he'd never met before, in a skip. When the man had got what he wanted, he drove off, abandoning Kemal, who was only sixteen at the time.
Now, I'm somewhat doubtful over the truth of this little story, there was something about him that made me think he was lying, but whether he was or not, it doesn't matter, he's gone waaay down in my estimations.

If it's a lie:
1. Then he's probably trying to get the sympathy vote, 'oh no, a nasty man took advantage of me, pity me and keep me in!'

2. He's putting his parents through hell for no good reason.

3. He's making light of something that's actually quite serious, people DO meet horrible people over the internet, and can get taken advantage of.

If it's true:
1. Then he acted like a ****. Before anyone starts saying that I should feel sorry for him, he clearly wasn't too traumatized by the incident, because he seemed quite happy to tell the nation about the whole thing.

2. Okay, his parents accepted his sexuality, do they really need to hear this on national TV, knowing that their neighbours could be watching it?

3. He was lucky to get away with just being abandoned in the skip, the older man could have done a hell of a lot worse to him, what the ***** was Kemal thinking?

ThaGazBoi

26-07-2005, 07:12 AM

I dont know, he might be telling the truth, but he is a bit of a twat

Fangz

26-07-2005, 07:33 AM

It's just, if it really happened, would you broadcast it on TV?

ThaGazBoi

26-07-2005, 07:51 AM

dunno, who was he speaking to?

OPL73

26-07-2005, 08:11 AM

Lol I knew this would be a topic of conversation on here. Well when I first heard it I received 3 texts and 1 phone call about it last night. They were all horrified. Now my friends and family are not prudes. Far from it. One male friend felt sick at the thought and the graphic detail Kamal went into. It sounded sordid. And although he wasn't under age it made you think that he was taken advantage of in some way. Sixteen for crying out loud! Confused sexually and mentally.

Kamal, is naive. I feel sorry for his parents. Finding something like that out on National TV. If he was my son or brother I would feel let down, whether it's true or not. A stranger no less! What did he hope to achieve by this revelation? Except set a bad example for impressionable sexually confused teenagers out there, who just may surf the net for their first sexual experience.

Makosi's face said it all really when he mentioned 'swallow'. Lol. Now if she can be surprised at that then it wasn't meant for anybody's ears really, and if he had to talk about it, he should have toned it down a bit. Silly boy.

ThaGazBoi

26-07-2005, 08:12 AM

agreed. its not something you really wanna hear about on natinal tv is it

i was shocked to the core when he spoke about it \o/

Sunny_01

26-07-2005, 08:43 AM

I thought he was disgusting to be honest and far to detailed for most people I think. I think he was lying though because he became all shifty eyed when talking about it. He also initially said that he had sex with this person but when asked by Makosi he said well oral I think of that as sex! he was tripping himself up all the time the silly boy.

Feyt

26-07-2005, 09:00 AM

It was disgusting Sunny, but what I found worse was the fact that Channel 4 didn't issue some kind of warning at the end.

How many 16 year old on this forum are Kemal fans? How many chat on the net?

Now I'm not saying that ANY of the teenagers on this forum are stupid enough to meet anyone off here without someone else with them, but how many Kemal fans will see this as something *fun* to do.

Channel 4 SHOULD have given some kind of warning at the end of the show, stating that it's not a good idea to meet and have sex with anyone let alone anyone off the net.:mad::mad:

OK, rant over:laugh:

Slartibartfast

26-07-2005, 09:16 AM

I'm not totally sure, but the age of consent for gay men was only brought down to 16 around 2000 I think. What age is Kemal? Could he have committed a criminal offence? Will the cops be kicking down the doors of BB and hauling him off? (unlikely, I know!!)

It was a bit graphic what he described, but if it was legal then I have no problem with it. It's his life, if he wants to meet guys off the internet and have sex with them, then let him. Not the smartest thing to do, but he's not the only person in the world doing it!!

OPL73

26-07-2005, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by Slartibartfast
I'm not totally sure, but the age of consent for gay men was only brought down to 16 around 2000 I think. What age is Kemal? Could he have committed a criminal offence? Will the cops be kicking down the doors of BB and hauling him off? (unlikely, I know!!)

It was a bit graphic what he described, but if it was legal then I have no problem with it. It's his life, if he wants to meet guys off the internet and have sex with them, then let him. Not the smartest thing to do, but he's not the only person in the world doing it!!

True, but on national TV! Tone it down! Your parents are watching!

Slartibartfast

26-07-2005, 09:25 AM

LOL, I suppose poor Kemal's parents have had enough to deal with over the last 7/8 weeks!!

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 09:32 AM

Oh, please! So when Craig told Anthony that he'd done exactly the same thing to two total strangers, in the middle of the dancefloor, in two different clubs in the same week, that was okay? He also said, in a more recent conversation with Kemal, that he was highly promiscuous and picks up strangers several times every week.

I don't think the posts in this thread are deliberately homophobic by any means, but the double-standards are glaring. And what the hell has any of this got to do with his parents' neighbours? http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/cwm/3dlil/uhh.gif

OPL73

26-07-2005, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Oh, please! So when Craig told Anthony that he'd done exactly the same thing to two total strangers, in the middle of the dancefloor, in two different clubs in the same week, that was okay? He also said, in a more recent conversation with Kemal, that he was highly promiscuous and picks up strangers several times every week.

I don't think the posts in this thread are deliberately homophobic by any means, but the double-standards are glaring. And what the hell has any of this got to do with his parents' neighbours? http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/cwm/3dlil/uhh.gif

Fair enough but was Craig 16? There in lies the difference. I think this is what people have a problem with. Also, I don't think Craig went into such graphic detail!

Seriosuly if this was somebody related to you, would you be happy having it broadcast to millions of viewers?

And to suggest the comments on this thread are homophobic, is way off the mark. It's a discussion about the detail he went into and how old he was, not the fact that he was sexually active at 16.

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 10:13 AM

The age of consent is 16, so there is no difference whatsoever. No, you're right. Craig was actually a lot more graphic than Kemal.

That point is rather trite, don't you think? I'd feel equally uncomfortable if I was related to Sam after the speed dating task, or Makosi after the pregnancy sham, or Derek pretty much every time he spoke, etc.

Please don't misquote me in your attempts to bolster your opinion. That's not what I said at all, so I suggest you read the post once again. And if you don't think that his age at the time is relevant, then why mention it at the start of your post?

Dan_

26-07-2005, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Oh, please! So when Craig told Anthony that he'd done exactly the same thing to two total strangers, in the middle of the dancefloor, in two different clubs in the same week, that was okay? He also said, in a more recent conversation with Kemal, that he was highly promiscuous and picks up strangers several times every week.

I don't think the posts in this thread are deliberately homophobic by any means, but the double-standards are glaring. And what the hell has any of this got to do with his parents' neighbours? http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/cwm/3dlil/uhh.gif

What do you mean double standards? This is a thread about Kemal and how irresponsible it was for him to go out and have sex with a stranger off the internet.

I don't see as why Craig's sex life is being brought into it and anyway what is the difference between what Craig did by going out on the pull and having sex with 2 strangers to most people going out and having a one night stand, he knew the people he was sleeping with and he's an adult and he know's what he is doing. Anything could have happened to Kemal. Why even mention homophobia in the first place?

Fangz

26-07-2005, 10:54 AM

Okay, the 'parent's neighbours' thing is odd, gimme a break, I haven't been sleeping much lately.:hugesmile:
What I meant was, how would Kemal's parents feel hearing their son say that on TV, knowing that their neighbours, colleagues and friends, people who they see on a daily basis, could heard it all too?
I don't know why you think anything on this thread is homophobic.

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by BB fernzy

What do you mean double standards? This is a thread about Kemal and how irresponsible it was for him to go out and have sex with a stranger off the internet.

I don't see as why Craig's sex life is being brought into it and anyway what is the difference between what Craig did by going out on the pull and having sex with 2 strangers to most people going out and having a one night stand, he knew the people he was sleeping with and he's an adult and he know's what he is doing. Anything could have happened to Kemal. Why even mention homophobia in the first place?

The double-standard is that Craig mentioned, or rather bragged about, his promiscuity with strangers on a weekly basis. Kemal mentions one incident and it's put under the microscope. A stranger is a stranger, whether it be someone online or someone in a dimly-lit nightclub.

So where is the difference between the scenario you suggest here and what Kemal did (or didn't, as the case may be)? And Craig placed a lot of emphasis in the fact that he most definitely did not know these people. Anything could've happened to Craig too, or indeed anyone that picks people up in such a casual manner.

Before Saskia left, there were several very detailed discussions that were just as graphic, and perhaps even more so than what Kemal had to say. Makosi showed everyone her favourite positions in the bedroom. That's just two examples of very graphic content on BB. So why highlight what Kemal had to say, suggest that he should've toned it down, and that CH4 should've broadcast a warning? There was no fuss made on these other occasions, so why now?

Fangz

26-07-2005, 11:30 AM

This is a thread about the skip incident. This is not a thread about Craig being promiscuous. I am saying that
a) I think Kemal is lying
b) If he isn't, what a stupid thing to do.
Also, I'd like to add that oral sex in a skip seems tacky and untrue.
Also, Kemal was quite young, the man he was (supposedly) with was older.

Fangz

26-07-2005, 11:31 AM

On a different note, I loved the book you named yourself after.

Dan_

26-07-2005, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Originally posted by BB fernzy

What do you mean double standards? This is a thread about Kemal and how irresponsible it was for him to go out and have sex with a stranger off the internet.

I don't see as why Craig's sex life is being brought into it and anyway what is the difference between what Craig did by going out on the pull and having sex with 2 strangers to most people going out and having a one night stand, he knew the people he was sleeping with and he's an adult and he know's what he is doing. Anything could have happened to Kemal. Why even mention homophobia in the first place?

The double-standard is that Craig mentioned, or rather bragged about, his promiscuity with strangers on a weekly basis. Kemal mentions one incident and it's put under the microscope. A stranger is a stranger, whether it be someone online or someone in a dimly-lit nightclub.

So where is the difference between the scenario you suggest here and what Kemal did (or didn't, as the case may be)? And Craig placed a lot of emphasis in the fact that he most definitely did not know these people. Anything could've happened to Craig too, or indeed anyone that picks people up in such a casual manner.

Before Saskia left, there were several very detailed discussions that were just as graphic, and perhaps even more so than what Kemal had to say. Makosi showed everyone her favourite positions in the bedroom. That's just two examples of very graphic content on BB. So why highlight what Kemal had to say, suggest that he should've toned it down, and that CH4 should've broadcast a warning? There was no fuss made on these other occasions, so why now?

Craig is an adult, he get's chatting to people in night clubs and they both want the same thing and the person is going to be around the same age as him, it's the same if I went to a nightclub and chatted up a girl and then had a one night stand, it's normal. Kemal only chatted to a person over the internet at the age of 16 and arranged to meet them, for all he knew they could have been an old pervert who could have killed him,leaving him alone at a skip, anything could have happend he was not even an adult, it was dangerous and totally stupid and set's a totally bad example.

The difference between Makosi and saskia talking about sex and Craig talking about one night stands to kemal meeting up with someone from a gay chatroom is big.

Fangz

26-07-2005, 11:39 AM

Couldn't have put it better myself, BBfernzy!:thumbs:

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Fangz-a-Lot
This is a thread about the skip incident. This is not a thread about Craig being promiscuous. I am saying that
a) I think Kemal is lying
b) If he isn't, what a stupid thing to do.
Also, I'd like to add that oral sex in a skip seems tacky and untrue.
Also, Kemal was quite young, the man he was (supposedly) with was older.

Making reference to Craig, or indeed any other hm, is relevant. Why is Kemal's promiscuity any more sordid than anyone else's?

I would tend to agree. I think he wanted to halt Makosi's interrogation, and (although I think he may well have gone seriously overboard) he managed to do just that.

Isn't most people's first time quite cheap and sordid? I can't even begin to imagine the inner turmoil that would doubtless be coursing through a 16 year old lad's mind. And that's magnified by the fact that he would fear society's reaction too, hence the need for covert encounters. It may be a stereotype, but sadly it's true that many would indeed have had their first encounter in such a sordid location, and with an older partner, too.

I wasn't aware of the book, but I've just looked it up on Amazon. I may pick that up some time. The name comes from a song by The Cure. http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/wink/voldar02.gif

Feyt

26-07-2005, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by BB fernzy
Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Originally posted by BB fernzy

What do you mean double standards? This is a thread about Kemal and how irresponsible it was for him to go out and have sex with a stranger off the internet.

I don't see as why Craig's sex life is being brought into it and anyway what is the difference between what Craig did by going out on the pull and having sex with 2 strangers to most people going out and having a one night stand, he knew the people he was sleeping with and he's an adult and he know's what he is doing. Anything could have happened to Kemal. Why even mention homophobia in the first place?

The double-standard is that Craig mentioned, or rather bragged about, his promiscuity with strangers on a weekly basis. Kemal mentions one incident and it's put under the microscope. A stranger is a stranger, whether it be someone online or someone in a dimly-lit nightclub.

So where is the difference between the scenario you suggest here and what Kemal did (or didn't, as the case may be)? And Craig placed a lot of emphasis in the fact that he most definitely did not know these people. Anything could've happened to Craig too, or indeed anyone that picks people up in such a casual manner.

Before Saskia left, there were several very detailed discussions that were just as graphic, and perhaps even more so than what Kemal had to say. Makosi showed everyone her favourite positions in the bedroom. That's just two examples of very graphic content on BB. So why highlight what Kemal had to say, suggest that he should've toned it down, and that CH4 should've broadcast a warning? There was no fuss made on these other occasions, so why now?

Craig is an adult, he get's chatting to people in night clubs and they both want the same thing and the person is going to be around the same age as him, it's the same if I went to a nightclub and chatted up a girl and then had a one night stand, it's normal. Kemal only chatted to a person over the internet at the age of 16 and arranged to meet them, for all he knew they could have been an old pervert who could have killed him,leaving him alone at a skip, anything could have happend he was not even an adult, it was dangerous and totally stupid and set's a totally bad example.

The difference between Makosi and saskia talking about sex and Craig talking about one night stands to kemal meeting up with someone from a gay chatroom is big.

Well said BB.:hello:

Tell me Charlottesometimes, would you like YOUR 16 year old son or daughter sneaking out and having sex with someone they not only don't know but someone who could have left him for dead in that skip?

For years we tell our kids, Don't talk to strangers, don't get into strange cars....and more recently we install programs to stop our kids seeing things they shouldn't on the internet. Then a complete idiot like this is allowed to shout and brag about it.
:devil::devil::devil:

We parents have a hard enough time of keeping our kids out of trouble as it is without silly little girls like Kemal telling us how much fun it was.

Fangz

26-07-2005, 12:15 PM

I'd just like to say for the record, I'm sixteen and would NEVER do something that stupid and dangerous. I think that meeting up with someone off the Internet should only be done in a public place, in broad daylight and in plain view of other people, with a friend or someone along with you, and you should tell someone where you are.
That's if you do it at all.

OPL73

26-07-2005, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
The age of consent is 16, so there is no difference whatsoever. No, you're right. Craig was actually a lot more graphic than Kemal.

That point is rather trite, don't you think? I'd feel equally uncomfortable if I was related to Sam after the speed dating task, or Makosi after the pregnancy sham, or Derek pretty much every time he spoke, etc.

Please don't misquote me in your attempts to bolster your opinion. That's not what I said at all, so I suggest you read the post once again. And if you don't think that his age at the time is relevant, then why mention it at the start of your post?

Whoa, calm down. It's a discussion. And what's with the sly dig about bolstering my opinion? I'm wounded! Wounded! I don't need to bolster! I'm expressing an opinion (like you are), there's a difference. I also don't need to read your post again, but maybe you should read mine. My problem was the graphic detail (with his parents probably listening) and that it happened to him at such a young age.

In response to this little statement- "And if you don't think that his age at the time is relevant, then why mention it at the start of your post?"

Who said it wasn't relevant? Maybe I should have gone on to explain, that it wasn't the fact he was sexually active at 16 (which I think was a lie anyway) but the fact that he felt the need to tell millions of viewers that he was sexually active with an "older" stranger at such a young age. Broadcasting the fact that he was surfing the net, met somebody much older than he is, got into a stranger's car and allegedly had oral sex in a skip!! Where anything could have happened.

For the record I have a couple of gay friends who were sexually active around his age and probably did alot worse than Kamal, but they kept it to themselves. Why? Because they didn't want their family or friends to know about their sexual activities. That's my point.

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by BB fernzy

Craig is an adult, he get's chatting to people in night clubs and they both want the same thing and the person is going to be around the same age as him, it's the same if I went to a nightclub and chatted up a girl and then had a one night stand, it's normal. Kemal only chatted to a person over the internet at the age of 16 and arranged to meet them, for all he knew they could have been an old pervert who could have killed him,leaving him alone at a skip, anything could have happend he was not even an adult, it was dangerous and totally stupid and set's a totally bad example.

The difference between Makosi and saskia talking about sex and Craig talking about one night stands to kemal meeting up with someone from a gay chatroom is big.

How can you possibly know that the people he'd meet would be of similar age? That's just an assumption. And for all you know, the person he met could've been the same or of similar age. You're just assuming once again, because it adds a little more weight to your viewpoint. And who, exactly, is he setting a bad example to?

It's not at all. They all talked about casual encounters with strangers. It doesn't matter what gender, age or sexuality the parties concerned me be, there's just as much risk involved.

OPL73

26-07-2005, 12:34 PM

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Feyt

Tell me Charlottesometimes, would you like YOUR 16 year old son or daughter sneaking out and having sex with someone they not only don't know but someone who could have left him for dead in that skip?

For years we tell our kids, Don't talk to strangers, don't get into strange cars....and more recently we install programs to stop our kids seeing things they shouldn't on the internet. Then a complete idiot like this is allowed to shout and brag about it.
:devil::devil::devil:

We parents have a hard enough time of keeping our kids out of trouble as it is without silly little girls like Kemal telling us how much fun it was.

Kemal is male. There's quite a difference between nervous bravado and bragging. The footage was shown well after the watershed, when it is to be presumed that those likely to be in any way influenced by such content would be in bed asleep. And Channel 4 decided to broadcast the conversation, not Kemal himself.

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by OPL73
Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
The age of consent is 16, so there is no difference whatsoever. No, you're right. Craig was actually a lot more graphic than Kemal.

That point is rather trite, don't you think? I'd feel equally uncomfortable if I was related to Sam after the speed dating task, or Makosi after the pregnancy sham, or Derek pretty much every time he spoke, etc.

Please don't misquote me in your attempts to bolster your opinion. That's not what I said at all, so I suggest you read the post once again. And if you don't think that his age at the time is relevant, then why mention it at the start of your post?

And what's with the sly dig about bolstering my opinion?

Who said it wasn't relevant?

... he felt the need to tell millions of viewers that he was sexually active with an "older" stranger at such a young age.

You misquoted me. It's hardly a 'sly dig'.

You did, at the end of your post.

That would be Channel 4.

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by OPL73

Wow AndyJK you have competition. Another person who likes having the last word.

Oh dear, and there was me thinking that this was a forum! I post a legitimate comment that garners several quotes and replies. I wasn't aware I needed your consent to reply to those posts. The 'Admin' tag seems to have slipped from your profile - my sincere apologies.

OPL73

26-07-2005, 12:51 PM

The word self-opinionated springs to mind. Look it up.

OPL73

26-07-2005, 12:51 PM

PS Love the sarcasm

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by OPL73
The word self-opinionated springs to mind. Look it up.

That's actually two words. The adage 'clutching at straws' springs to mind in response. :thumbs:

OPL73

26-07-2005, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Originally posted by OPL73
The word self-opinionated springs to mind. Look it up.

That's actually two words. The adage 'clutching at straws' springs to mind in response. :thumbs:

Splitting hairs. I am responding to this banailty while at work, so I don't have time to look at my grammatical errors.

God, I think I love you. You don't stop do you?

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 01:49 PM

Actually, I'd really like to. I'm starting to feel like a Science substitute, as it goes. http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/tweetz/nod.gif

OPL73

26-07-2005, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Actually, I'd really like to. I'm starting to feel like a Science substitute, as it goes. http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/tweetz/nod.gif

Yep it's official. I'm in love with you. That last post floored me.

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 01:57 PM

Awww, well here's some grapes to speed your recovery. I know it's actually a painting of grapes, but at least they'll never spoil. :thumbs:

http://www.insideartshow.com/gallery/2004/Wilde_Susan/Grapes-in-a-basket.jpg

SMC

26-07-2005, 02:51 PM

Do we really care wether he spits or swallows? man that was rank and should of been edited out..get him out

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 02:52 PM

No probs - those are seedless grapes. :thumbs:

Kore

26-07-2005, 03:34 PM

what kemal said was not pleasant....bleugh

ThaGazBoi

26-07-2005, 03:34 PM

lol :spin2:

Dan_

26-07-2005, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Originally posted by BB fernzy

Craig is an adult, he get's chatting to people in night clubs and they both want the same thing and the person is going to be around the same age as him, it's the same if I went to a nightclub and chatted up a girl and then had a one night stand, it's normal. Kemal only chatted to a person over the internet at the age of 16 and arranged to meet them, for all he knew they could have been an old pervert who could have killed him,leaving him alone at a skip, anything could have happend he was not even an adult, it was dangerous and totally stupid and set's a totally bad example.

The difference between Makosi and saskia talking about sex and Craig talking about one night stands to kemal meeting up with someone from a gay chatroom is big.

How can you possibly know that the people he'd meet would be of similar age? That's just an assumption. And for all you know, the person he met could've been the same or of similar age. You're just assuming once again, because it adds a little more weight to your viewpoint. And who, exactly, is he setting a bad example to?

It's not at all. They all talked about casual encounters with strangers. It doesn't matter what gender, age or sexuality the parties concerned me be, there's just as much risk involved.

Craig is hardly going to go after some old bloke in a nightclub is he, people who usually frequent the type of nightclubs that Craig goes to would be of his own age. I am stating facts about the man that Kemal met and that is he was older, I don't need more weight added to my viewpoint because I am just stating the facts. Kemal is setting a bad example to impressionable young people that watch the show and who think it is right to go on internet chatrooms and then to arrange to meet these people, it's not safe and it is not the right message to send out.

What you seem to be forgetting about these so called 'casual encounters' is that Craig is an ADULT whilst Kemal was still only 16, I don't care what arguement you put across what Kemal did was foolish and very dangerous. The other housemates partners do not even come into it as far I am concerned because whilst they might be having one night stands with people they barely know they are adults and the intention is clear but in Kemal's case it was not.

It is totally ignorant to suggest that the risk is the same in all cases.

Feyt

26-07-2005, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Originally posted by Feyt

Tell me Charlottesometimes, would you like YOUR 16 year old son or daughter sneaking out and having sex with someone they not only don't know but someone who could have left him for dead in that skip?

For years we tell our kids, Don't talk to strangers, don't get into strange cars....and more recently we install programs to stop our kids seeing things they shouldn't on the internet. Then a complete idiot like this is allowed to shout and brag about it.
:devil::devil::devil:

We parents have a hard enough time of keeping our kids out of trouble as it is without silly little girls like Kemal telling us how much fun it was.

Kemal is male. There's quite a difference between nervous bravado and bragging. The footage was shown well after the watershed, when it is to be presumed that those likely to be in any way influenced by such content would be in bed asleep. And Channel 4 decided to broadcast the conversation, not Kemal himself.

Kemal is male! AND? Nervous bravado is what he probably used when he was 16, bragging(at least in this case)is what you do when you tell people about your sexual exploits. How many 15/16 do you think watch BB? Probably at least half of its viewers are teenagers. I never said Kemal broadcast the show. If you read my original post on here you will see that I said I was disgusted with Channel 4 for airing it.

ThaGazBoi

26-07-2005, 04:37 PM

:bouncy: thats true

Feyt

26-07-2005, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by BB fernzy
Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Originally posted by BB fernzy

Craig is an adult, he get's chatting to people in night clubs and they both want the same thing and the person is going to be around the same age as him, it's the same if I went to a nightclub and chatted up a girl and then had a one night stand, it's normal. Kemal only chatted to a person over the internet at the age of 16 and arranged to meet them, for all he knew they could have been an old pervert who could have killed him,leaving him alone at a skip, anything could have happend he was not even an adult, it was dangerous and totally stupid and set's a totally bad example.

The difference between Makosi and saskia talking about sex and Craig talking about one night stands to kemal meeting up with someone from a gay chatroom is big.

How can you possibly know that the people he'd meet would be of similar age? That's just an assumption. And for all you know, the person he met could've been the same or of similar age. You're just assuming once again, because it adds a little more weight to your viewpoint. And who, exactly, is he setting a bad example to?

It's not at all. They all talked about casual encounters with strangers. It doesn't matter what gender, age or sexuality the parties concerned me be, there's just as much risk involved.

Craig is hardly going to go after some old bloke in a nightclub is he, people who usually frequent the type of nightclubs that Craig goes to would be of his own age. I am stating facts about the man that Kemal met and that is he was older, I don't need more weight added to my viewpoint because I am just stating the facts. Kemal is setting a bad example to impressionable young people that watch the show and who think it is right to go on internet chatrooms and then to arrange to meet these people, it's not safe and it is not the right message to send out.

What you seem to be forgetting about these so called 'casual encounters' is that Craig is an ADULT whilst Kemal was still only 16, I don't care what arguement you put across what Kemal did was foolish and very dangerous. The other housemates partners do not even come into it as far I am concerned because whilst they might be having one night stands with people they barely know they are adults and the intention is clear but in Kemal's case it was not.

It is totally ignorant to suggest that the risk is the same in all cases.

:hello::hello:

OPL73

26-07-2005, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
No probs - those are seedless grapes. :thumbs:

Class. Even if you like the look of your own writing.

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by BB fernzy

Craig is hardly going to go after some old bloke in a nightclub is he, people who usually frequent the type of nightclubs that Craig goes to would be of his own age. I am stating facts about the man that Kemal met and that is he was older, I don't need more weight added to my viewpoint because I am just stating the facts. Kemal is setting a bad example to impressionable young people that watch the show and who think it is right to go on internet chatrooms and then to arrange to meet these people, it's not safe and it is not the right message to send out.

What you seem to be forgetting about these so called 'casual encounters' is that Craig is an ADULT whilst Kemal was still only 16, I don't care what arguement you put across what Kemal did was foolish and very dangerous. The other housemates partners do not even come into it as far I am concerned because whilst they might be having one night stands with people they barely know they are adults and the intention is clear but in Kemal's case it was not.

It is totally ignorant to suggest that the risk is the same in all cases.

Not true. I live fairly close to Garlands in Liverpool, which is one of the most popular gay clubs in England. It's won club of the year in Mixmag a few times, too. I've been there many times, and can confirm that there are plenty of people that go there that are quite a bit older than Craig. So, to follow your point through to its logical conclusion, why haven't there been any press reports about Dolcis selling out of size 8 stilettos and there being a surprising shortage in the availability of extra-long saris? If teenagers are watching BB, then their parents should be monitoring their viewing a little more closely. That's the whole point in having a watershed in the first place, and the reason why every late night BB show starts with a warning about language and nudity.

What you seem to be forgetting is that, whether his account was fantasy or not, Kemal said quite distinctly that he deliberately set out to make contact with someone with the sole intention of having just such an encounter. He wasn't 'groomed' or 'coerced' into anything. If you really think that a teenager that's sexually confused is going to listen to what Kemal said, and then think 'I'd really like to orally satisfy a man at three-o-clock in the morning, inside a skip', then email me your address - you've won this month's luxury hamper (I've already eaten the Edinburgh shortbread and Ye Olde Oak hotdog sausages though, I'm afraid).

Okay, whatever. You take the high road and I'll take the low road ... but I'll look better in a kilt than you.

Bone, meat, stripped of - rearrange to suit.

SMC

26-07-2005, 06:01 PM

im not reading these long posts but whatever, i'll agree with the person who hates Kemal

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Feyt

Kemal is male! AND? Nervous bravado is what he probably used when he was 16, bragging(at least in this case)is what you do when you tell people about your sexual exploits. How many 15/16 do you think watch BB? Probably at least half of its viewers are teenagers. I never said Kemal broadcast the show. If you read my original post on here you will see that I said I was disgusted with Channel 4 for airing it.

Make your mind up! He was a 'silly little girl' in your previous post. Not at all. He was quite clearly prepared to go to any lengths at that particular moment to shut Makosi up. He resorted to shock tactics to do it. But if you want to believe that he said that deliberately in an attempt to corrupt the nation's youth, then you're entitled to your opinion, of course. Best put padlocks on your wardrobe just incase though, huh?

OPL73

26-07-2005, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
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Not true. I live fairly close to Garlands in Liverpool, which is one of the most popular gay clubs in England. It's won club of the year in Mixmag a few times, too. I've been there many times, and can confirm that there are plenty of people that go there that are quite a bit older than Craig. So, to follow your point through to its logical conclusion, why haven't there been any press reports about Dolcis selling out of size 8 stilettos and there being a surprising shortage in the availability of extra-long saris? If teenagers are watching BB, then their parents should be monitoring their viewing a little more closely. That's the whole point in having a watershed in the first place, and the reason why every late night BB show starts with a warning about language and nudity.

What you seem to be forgetting is that, whether his account was fantasy or not, Kemal said quite distinctly that he deliberately set out to make contact with someone with the sole intention of having just such an encounter. He wasn't 'groomed' or 'coerced' into anything. If you really think that a teenager that's sexually confused is going to listen to what Kemal said, and then think 'I'd really like to orally satisfy a man at three-o-clock in the morning, inside a skip', then email me your address - you've won this month's luxury hamper (I've already eaten the Edinburgh shortbread and Ye Olde Oak hotdog sausages though, I'm afraid).

Okay, whatever. You take the high road and I'll take the low road ... but I'll look better in a kilt than you.

Bone, meat, stripped of - rearrange to suit. [/quote]

Funniest thing I have read for a while.:bigsmile: Last word again. Self opinionated just as I thought. Charlotte, you have to respect the parent's opinion on this one surely?

P.S. To follow on from your 'logical' babble. Why hasn't there been any press reports about Makosi's 'fro? Or what was the 'fro?

James

26-07-2005, 06:11 PM

There's too many posts in this thread expressing an opinion on other forum members instead of the Big Brother housemates or events in the house.

Fangz

26-07-2005, 06:14 PM

Sorry, James, it wasn't supposed to turn out like this!

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 06:15 PM

My apologies. Point taken.

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by OPL73

Funniest thing I have read for a while.:bigsmile: Last word again. Self opinionated just as I thought. Charlotte, you have to respect the parent's opinion on this one surely?

P.S. To follow on from your 'logical' babble. Why hasn't there been any press reports about Makosi's 'fro? Or what was the 'fro?

I don't think I can answer that without getting myself in trouble. The short answer would be yes, but I'll let you imagine my reservations that come with it.

I really don't know, as I tend to read newspapers whilst shopping in Tescos, rather than buy them. As long as I don't do the crosswords, they don't seem to mind too much.

OPL73

26-07-2005, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

II really don't know, as I tend to read newspapers whilst shopping in Tescos, rather than buy them. As long as I don't do the crosswords, they don't seem to mind too much. [/quote]

:bigsmile: And I thought I was the only one.

ThaGazBoi

26-07-2005, 06:35 PM

lol :thumbs:

CharlotteSometimes

26-07-2005, 06:35 PM

Wherever there's meat there's Bisto.

EDIT: Why has my post grown an 'I' in your quote?

Sunny_01

26-07-2005, 06:40 PM

Can I remind people to get back on topic please or this thread will have to be locked

Dan_

26-07-2005, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Originally posted by BB fernzy

Craig is hardly going to go after some old bloke in a nightclub is he, people who usually frequent the type of nightclubs that Craig goes to would be of his own age. I am stating facts about the man that Kemal met and that is he was older, I don't need more weight added to my viewpoint because I am just stating the facts. Kemal is setting a bad example to impressionable young people that watch the show and who think it is right to go on internet chatrooms and then to arrange to meet these people, it's not safe and it is not the right message to send out.

What you seem to be forgetting about these so called 'casual encounters' is that Craig is an ADULT whilst Kemal was still only 16, I don't care what arguement you put across what Kemal did was foolish and very dangerous. The other housemates partners do not even come into it as far I am concerned because whilst they might be having one night stands with people they barely know they are adults and the intention is clear but in Kemal's case it was not.

It is totally ignorant to suggest that the risk is the same in all cases.

Not true. I live fairly close to Garlands in Liverpool, which is one of the most popular gay clubs in England. It's won club of the year in Mixmag a few times, too. I've been there many times, and can confirm that there are plenty of people that go there that are quite a bit older than Craig. So, to follow your point through to its logical conclusion, why haven't there been any press reports about Dolcis selling out of size 8 stilettos and there being a surprising shortage in the availability of extra-long saris? If teenagers are watching BB, then their parents should be monitoring their viewing a little more closely. That's the whole point in having a watershed in the first place, and the reason why every late night BB show starts with a warning about language and nudity.

What you seem to be forgetting is that, whether his account was fantasy or not, Kemal said quite distinctly that he deliberately set out to make contact with someone with the sole intention of having just such an encounter. He wasn't 'groomed' or 'coerced' into anything. If you really think that a teenager that's sexually confused is going to listen to what Kemal said, and then think 'I'd really like to orally satisfy a man at three-o-clock in the morning, inside a skip', then email me your address - you've won this month's luxury hamper (I've already eaten the Edinburgh shortbread and Ye Olde Oak hotdog sausages though, I'm afraid).

Okay, whatever. You take the high road and I'll take the low road ... but I'll look better in a kilt than you.

Bone, meat, stripped of - rearrange to suit.

Jeez after reading all of that garbage I just about got what you're trying to say.

So what if the people that frequent this certain gayclub in Liverpool are also older men but that does not mean that Craig is going to go out with them, you seem intent on trying to justify the actions of Kemal and make comparisons with the other housemates sexual experiences but that is not really the issue here.

Kemal may well influence people he may not but the main thing is people of a certain age perhaps confused about their sexuality are easily led and he is sending out a dangerous message, teenagers may not even watch Big Brother with their parents, you do not know the thoughts of a young person confused by their sexuality and neither do I fully but people are easily influenced and it's not the way that Kemal graphically described his experience but the way that he courted it through the means of a internet chatroom.

You have turned a sensible debate about a sensitive situation into a mockery and you're ignorant stance on this imo is rather silly.