Have the Labour Party ruined England

[MassiveTruck]

We haven't got as much unemployment as most of the world. One of the best manufacturing systems. Improved Welfare and working conditions. Support for the underpaid...

Are we ruined?

[arista]

"Have the New Labour Party ruined England"



Yes.

[King Gizzard]

not half as much as people have said they have.

[MassiveTruck]

not half as much as people have said they have.

I don't think they have. God it used to be uber-crap under the Tories and the changes that have been made have been huge.

OK, they have messed up in a few areas, in terms of CCTV and personal privacy and security. I don't like that but since the Tories this has been a vast vast improvement.

It was the idiotic Tories who brought forward plans to scrap tuition fees too. The cheeky gits.

[Fom]

No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)

[MassiveTruck]

No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)

I don't think there is any doubt that the Tories will come into power but they could take advantage of the situation and fill the pockets of their Banker friends in the city like they did last time.

[Fom]

No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)

I don't think there is any doubt that the Tories will come into power but they could take advantage of the situation and fill the pockets of their Banker friends in the city like they did last time.

Well we can only wait and see really, but I think they have re gained a lot of trust. Would be stupid to lose it, since it took 10 years to re gain it.

[MassiveTruck]

No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)

I don't think there is any doubt that the Tories will come into power but they could take advantage of the situation and fill the pockets of their Banker friends in the city like they did last time.

Well we can only wait and see really, but I think they have re gained a lot of trust. Would be stupid to lose it, since it took 10 years to re gain it.

I can't agree with some of their policies though. Some of the stuff they've come out with recently has felt like a slap in the face.

If things don't improve, I think they will be in and out very quickly. But I think time is on their side. Economy will get better regardless of who is in power and the winner of the next election will reap the benefits.

[arista]

No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)


Very True Fom
Well Said

[BB_Eye]

What is this Labour Party you speak of?

Oh yeah, the party that has been out of office in all but name since 1979.

Don't believe the impostors.

[Tom4784]

No party will do a good job, because they're all the same really. Labour's the best of an awful bunch.

[karezza]

The Labour Party has ruined England. The Labour Party should be wiped from the face of the Earth.

:devil:

[karezza]

The Labour Party has ruined England. The Labour Party should be wiped from the face of the Earth.

:devil:

[NettoSuperstar!]

The Labour Party spent most of their time clearing up Tory mess! Without Labour there would be no minimum wage, NHS waiting lists would be worse, No devolution, schools would be worse, the most vunerable in society would be worse off, the recession would have been a lot worse and gone on a lot longer....basically we'd be worse off under the Tories!

[NettoSuperstar!]

The Labour Party spent most of their time clearing up Tory mess! Without Labour there would be no minimum wage, NHS waiting lists would be worse, No devolution, schools would be worse, the most vunerable in society would be worse off, the recession would have been a lot worse and gone on a lot longer....basically we'd be worse off under the Tories!

[NettoSuperstar!]

No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)

Yeh they would mess up...the Tories disagreed with taking any action over the recession...ie/ bailing out banks, fiscal stimulus policies etc...they had no policies! We would be in a **** mess, theyre plans for schools are shoddy, they want to give tax relief to the rich (inheritance tax) and cut tax relief for middle income families....Fair?...No

[NettoSuperstar!]

No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)

Yeh they would mess up...the Tories disagreed with taking any action over the recession...ie/ bailing out banks, fiscal stimulus policies etc...they had no policies! We would be in a **** mess, theyre plans for schools are shoddy, they want to give tax relief to the rich (inheritance tax) and cut tax relief for middle income families....Fair?...No

[karezza]

The Labour Party has wasted billions of pounds of taxpayers money & they have taken us into two pointless wars. The Labour Party has blood on its hands.

:devil:

[Tom]

The Labour Party has wasted billions of pounds of taxpayers money & they have taken us into two pointless wars. The Labour Party has blood on its hands.

:devil:

just like the party in power before them

[karezza]

Grim Gordon Brown sold off our gold at a very cheap price - he is an imbecile.

:nono:

[Jessica.]

yes

[arsenalforever]

don't care don't live in GB:joker:

[bananarama]

No they haven't but I do believe it is time for change, the tories 10 years ago and the tories now are completely different. I highly doubt they would mess up again. I am unsure who I am supporting at the moment, usually I just go for Lib Dem (in locals) but in a general election I want to vote either Labour or Tories, depends how the next year goes. (it is a year isnt it?)


The Tories are no different than they were 25 years ago.....Those foolish enough to give them power will learn that lesson with a heavy price......

Labour may be a tired spent Government but that does not make the Cameron Blair like spin a better option.....

Britain next year will begin a new phase of political and social disaster on a scale never before......

[NettoSuperstar!]

Its funny everyone I speak to thinks the Tories will make a "change" or that they dont like Gordon and Cameron is better...never mind the bloody policies! The Tories will bring ordinary folk to their knees! The filthy rich will be the only ones to gain!

[Tom]

Its funny everyone I speak to thinks the Tories will make a "change" or that they dont like Gordon and Cameron is better...never mind the bloody policies! The Tories will bring ordinary folk to their knees! The filthy rich will be the only ones to gain!

I don't think their latest policies have done them any favours in gaining support. With still about another 8 months to go the tide can easily turn ...

[NettoSuperstar!]

Lets hope people see sense

[Tom4784]

I say give it to a party that's never had it before. Bring in some fresh faces and ideas. I'm very much against the Tories as I think they'll only advance their own agendas and cater to the rich. We need a PM that knows the average citizen well and can cater for the majority.

[arista]

I say give it to a party that's never had it before. Bring in some fresh faces and ideas. I'm very much against the Tories as I think they'll only advance their own agendas and cater to the rich. We need a PM that knows the average citizen well and can cater for the majority.


We Are All In This Together


It Is Time For Change.


Vote Conservative.

[Tom4784]

I say give it to a party that's never had it before. Bring in some fresh faces and ideas. I'm very much against the Tories as I think they'll only advance their own agendas and cater to the rich. We need a PM that knows the average citizen well and can cater for the majority.


We Are All In This Together


It Is Time For Change.


Vote Conservative.


The only change they'd implement is a change back to the dark ages.

[Chantel]

I say give it to a party that's never had it before. Bring in some fresh faces and ideas. I'm very much against the Tories as I think they'll only advance their own agendas and cater to the rich. We need a PM that knows the average citizen well and can cater for the majority.


We Are All In This Together


It Is Time For Change.


Vote Conservative.


The only change they'd implement is a change back to the dark ages.
this.

[arista]

I say give it to a party that's never had it before. Bring in some fresh faces and ideas. I'm very much against the Tories as I think they'll only advance their own agendas and cater to the rich. We need a PM that knows the average citizen well and can cater for the majority.


We Are All In This Together


It Is Time For Change.


Vote Conservative.


The only change they'd implement is a change back to the dark ages.



No you are living in the Past.
It will get better
with Corrupt New Labour Gone Forever.

[Tom4784]

Tories will never help or understand the common man though, you need a PM that knows the people not some upper class group of tits that's never known hardship.

[arista]

Tories will never help or understand the common man though, you need a PM that knows the people not some upper class group of tits that's never known hardship.


That is Not Brown.
He is a Fool.


Thats why a Younger PM
is the change we all need.
Not you though Dezzy - you are in some
kind of Gloom Vision of your very own.

[Scarlett.]

I'd rather have Labour again than Conservative

[Tom4784]

Tories will never help or understand the common man though, you need a PM that knows the people not some upper class group of tits that's never known hardship.


That is Not Brown.
He is a Fool.


Thats why a Younger PM
is the change we all need.
Not you though Dezzy - you are in some
kind of Gloom Vision of your very own.





Did I say anything about Gordon Brown? No. You know full well I want somebody brand new so your post fails. talking about vision you really need to get that selective vision sorted out.

[arista]

Well Brown is Staying.
So you vote for him.


And the Rest of us will vote Conservative.

[Tom4784]

Both this and you are pointless if you don't read people's posts Arista. I don't support Gordon Brown so stop saying I do because it's boring and repetitive now..

[arista]

Both this and you are pointless if you don't read people's posts Arista. I don't support Gordon Brown so stop saying I do because it's boring and repetitive now..


But if you Vote New Labour that is
Brown.


So you may not vote
or vote LibDem.


The point is New Labour has so much Hate
against it.
That matters.

[NettoSuperstar!]

The Conservatives want you to work for longer for the same pension....and Drs, nurses, police, firemen, social workers, teachers....You trained for **** all, they'll keep you on the same wage for aslong as they can string it out...bet theyre rubbing their hands with glee...oh and you hard working families that struggled through uni so you could build a good life for yourself and your children, no more tax credits for you, no more help with childcare for you!! nonono...Oh but you filthy rich ****ers with a large inheritance to leave your already over indulged fat kids you'll be pleased to hear they will have to pay less tax on that!

[arista]

The Conservatives want you to work for longer for the same pension....and Drs, nurses, police, firemen, social workers, teachers....You trained for **** all, they'll keep you on the same wage for aslong as they can string it out...bet theyre rubbing their hands with glee...oh and you hard working families that struggled through uni so you could build a good life for yourself and your children, no more tax credits for you, no more help with childcare for you!! nonono...Oh but you filthy rich ****ers with a large inheritance to leave your already over indulged fat kids you'll be pleased to hear they will have to pay less tax on that!






They are being Honest
Unlike Corrupt New Labour.


The Stinking Debt New Labour has left us in,
at least the Conservatives have a way out of this.



We Are All In This Together


It Is Time For Change.

[arista]

Grim Gordon Brown sold off our gold at a very cheap price - he is an imbecile.

:nono:


Bang On Right.


Brown is the Problem
Fact.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Oh great so anything you wrote in the old forum is not in the new one! Why have we got two forums?

[arista]

Conservatives 44%
Stinking New Labour 27%

From Saturdays papers
just shown on SkyNews.


Brown is Doomed
Fact

http://www.yougov.co.uk/today/




"The latest Sky News/YouGov survey of voting intentions, carried out after the Conservative leader's speech to his party in Manchester, saw a 4% jump in Tory support to 44%.
At the same time, support for Labour fell by the same amount, to 27%.
And the Lib Dems' support dropped by 1% to 17%.
Cameron made an at times emotional speech to wrap up the annual party conference season."

[andyman]

Silly Arista, so brainwashed by the spin..

And what is this change? What will the Conservatives do to lower national debt?

I ask because you're pro-Conservatives and i just want to know why that is so?..

[arista]

Silly Arista, so brainwashed by the spin..

And what is this change? What will the Conservatives do to lower national debt?

I ask because you're pro-Conservatives and i just want to know why that is so?..


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/09/article-1219396-06C4C3A5000005DC-40_634x526_popup.jpg


Andyman the Whole Nation
is backing this Change.
Of Course a few do not.

But in General
Cameron is Good News
One Eyed Scottish Brown is Bad News


Sign Of The Times

[andyman]

Arista that tells me nothing..

What would the Conservatives do to lower the nations debt if they got into power?

[arista]

It will take some years
to clear up Stinking Browns Mess.

You will find out.

[andyman]

...? Arista you don't even know.. Oh dear :-/

You're sleep walking with your vote into the valley of the unknown..

Some voters just vote over silly reasons or swept by the spin..

Plus the Conservatives are not sure over Trident.. A party that don't know, fantastic!

[arista]

It is to do with Trust

Not many trust One Eyed Scottish Brown.


No sleep walking
just common sense.

The Conservative Polls are Up
again.

[andyman]

... Trust? Small part after the election but you don't know what you're voting for :-/ hence why i say you're sleep walking with your vote.

You can't just vote for Conservatives because you dislike Gordon Brown, the whole vote is bigger than one man..

Do you really know the Conservatives course of action without the spin?

[Tom]

I bet if the results were 44% to Labour and 27% to the Tories you'd spin it by saying 56% of the country are against Labour ...

[arista]

RAF Tom
as you said it can all change,
even get worse for Stinking New Labour
is what I want,of course

[andyman]

Arista.. Check my last post, it's for youuuuuu!

[arista]

Yes Andymam Trust is the Issue for This Election.

One Eyed Scottish Brown is Not Trusted by Millions in England
and Good On the Rebulic Of Scotland
Kicking Stinking New Labour out.

[andyman]

.. And the Conservatives course of action?

[Chantel]

No-one likes Gordon Brown, but he is doing a better job than David Cameron could ever do

[andyman]

Does Arista know anything about politics? :-/

[arista]

No-one likes Gordon Brown, but he is doing a better job than David Cameron could ever do



That is silly and Un proven
you guess.


But You also know
One Eyed Scottish Brown is hated by Millions.

[Chantel]

That is silly and Un proven
you guess.


But You also know
One Eyed Scottish Brown is hated by Millions.

Well its a damn right good guess
Gordon Brown maybe hated, but the Tories are hated more

[andyman]

Arista still can't answer..

[arista]

Silly Arista, so brainwashed by the spin..




You are Silly backing a Dead Horse Brown.

[andyman]

Still no answer from Arista..

Ok it seems you know nothing but like the colour blue.. :-/

[arista]

You are living in the Past
This Conservative party has updated
and that is why so many support them now.

[Chantel]

You are living in the Past
This Conservative party has updated
and that is why so many support them now.
:joker:
Thanks for that
i needed a laugh

[andyman]

You are living in the Past
This Conservative party has updated
and that is why so many support them now... Just admit that you don't know about politics?

We need to talk about policy and not Sky TV polls!

[arista]

I know a Great Deal about Politics
but sadly you are just not into that.

[andyman]

I know a Great Deal about Politics
but sadly you are just not into that.And you show it so well..

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Oct/Week2/15403523.jpg


Stinking Corrupt New Labour.

[andyman]

Don't care about that.. That is not real politics! Ignor the spin and lets talk about what is real!

By saying "Stinking New Labour", "Time For Change" as you do, that is not politics..

Real politics is..
How can the government lower the nations debt?

How much public spending will be cut and the effect it will have on the economy?

Economics?

The defence budget and the issue over Trident?

.. I can go on.

You have to know what is behind the spin and analyse their policy.. You have to know what you're voting for and because its "Time For Change" and "Stinking New Labour"... :-/

[arista]

"The government debt is pretty bad so it looks like whichever party wins the next election will have to make cutbacks, despite what they say at their conferences, or the spin they put on it."


Posted by James
on another thread.


James Is Bang On Right.

[andyman]

We already know!

The Conservatives want more cutbacks which would result in..
*Less police and stations being closed.
*Less teachers and large class sizes.
*Huge defence cutbacks.
*National min wage being frozen for many many years.
*Rise in income tax and greater hardship for familes.

... Much more!

[MargeryFan]

Nobody ever talks about the good things labour have done.