Meat is Murder?

[InOne]

I know there is sort of a similar topic about pain, but this is different. Is it right or wrong? Here is a video I came across.

Warning, people may find this upsetting or disturbing!!!


http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/meat+is+murder/video/x395lv_veganisme-meat-is-murder-the-smith_politics

[arista]

Eating Meat in Normal
Not Murder.

Killing Humans with Yank Carpet Bombs in Iraq
is what we call Murder.

[InOne]

It's not like we really need meat now though. We could live without it.

[arista]

It's not like we really need meat now though. We could live without it.


Rubbish
Eating Meat is part of the UK.


If we lived your strange way
millions would be out of work.

Real Planet Talk.

http://www.sterlingtimes.org/roast_beef1.jpg

Meat And Veg
Harmony
Commen Sense
Correct.

[InOne]

It's not like we really need meat now though. We could live without it.


Rubbish
Eating Meat is part of the UK.


If we lived your strange way
millions would be out of work.

Real Planet Talk.






Well not exactly part of the UK or everyone would eat meat. Im not talking about jobs or anything im saying do we really need it?

[arista]

[rquote=2615564&tid=1
Well not exactly part of the UK or everyone would eat meat. Im not talking about jobs or anything im saying do we really need it?


You have to talk about Jobs
or you will get a War.

Yes we Need Meat.

We need Boxing
as well.

[InOne]

[rquote=2615564&tid=1
Well not exactly part of the UK or everyone would eat meat. Im not talking about jobs or anything im saying do we really need it?


You have to talk about Jobs
or you will get a War.

Yes we Need Meat.

We need Boxing
as well.

It's just a shame we favour some Animals over others.

[arista]

It's just a shame we favour some Animals over others.


No it is Not
we have for 1000's of years.

[InOne]

It's just a shame we favour some Animals over others.


No it is Not
we have for 1000's of years.



Yes but things were alot different 1000's of years ago!

[setanta]

I agree with InOne. It's a question of ethics now.

[MassiveTruck]

I've ate all kinds of animals in my time. They could kill me too.

They also taste great.

I don't think it's murder. I think it's tasty.

[arista]

I agree with InOne. It's a question of ethics now.


Ethics
are in the Production
Free Range Meat.


Case Closed.


http://www.evansfoodhall.com/lg_images/237Roast-Beef-with-Juniper-gravy.jpg.jpg

Free Range Beef.

[InOne]

It only tastes nice when cooked and seasoned though.

[arista]

It only tastes nice when cooked and seasoned though.

Of course
you seem to go in circles.

[InOne]

It only tastes nice when cooked and seasoned though.

Of course
you seem to go in circles.

How?

[setanta]

You know, I think it should be mandatory for people to have to go to the slaughterhouse and kill their own meat. I just think that it would just be a very interesting experiment.

[arista]

You start a Thread saying it is Murder
Then say when Cooked right it is nice.


This thread should be in General Chat.


It is no longer Serious.

[InOne]

Meat today for us is about wanting not needing.

[InOne]

You start a Thread saying it is Murder
Then say when Cooked right it is nice.


This thread should be in General Chat.


It is no longer Serious.


I said it only tastes nice if cooked and seasoned, not that it tastes nice to me! Read before you type.

[arista]

You know, I think it should be mandatory for people to have to go to the slaughterhouse and kill their own meat. I just think that it would just be a very interesting experiment.

Yes I would be Down there
getting the Best Cuts for my Roast.

[InOne]

Im saying people it's not like we are hunters or anything. Meat comes in a nice little package, and you don't even know where it really came from. You have to cook it to enjoy it. You don't need it you want it.

[setanta]

You know, I think it should be mandatory for people to have to go to the slaughterhouse and kill their own meat. I just think that it would just be a very interesting experiment.

Yes I would be Down there
getting the Best Cuts for my Roast.

No, I mean you'd have to do the deed yourself, and in front of the family. Turn it into a day trip for the kids. lol. Little Joe does the skinning while you gut the thing just after air gunning it. Or maybe we'll start off slow and let you strangle a hen.

It would be interesting to see how many would actually follow through with it.

[Niamh.]

Oh God, Setanta!! I'd never be able for that!! I was a vegitarien for 3 years when I was younger, then I got drunk one night and got a chicken burger, I just love the taste of it. I try not to think about the little lambs etc.!!

[arista]

You know, I think it should be mandatory for people to have to go to the slaughterhouse and kill their own meat. I just think that it would just be a very interesting experiment.

Yes I would be Down there
getting the Best Cuts for my Roast.

No, I mean you'd have to do the deed yourself, and in front of the family. Turn it into a day trip for the kids. lol. Little Joe does the skinning while you gut the thing just after air gunning it. Or maybe we'll start off slow and let you strangle a hen.

It would be interesting to see how many would actually follow through with it.



Yes I will do the Death
and Cuts Myself.
No Problem 100%


Life In The Fast Lane.

[setanta]

Oh God, Setanta!! I'd never be able for that!! I was a vegitarien for 3 years when I was younger, then I got drunk one night and got a chicken burger, I just love the taste of it. I try not to think about the little lambs etc.!!

I think in the developed world they usually electrocute them and slit their throats, waiting for them to bleed to death or the other way is to bolt them in the skull. Apparently they're totally unconscious and don't feel a thing but sure they're hardly happy hanging upside down waiting for it and I refuse to believe that being zapped or having an object penetrate your skull doesn't sting a little.

[Ramsay]

Arista is right
It has always been the case of creatures eating the other to survive

[InOne]

Arista is right
It has always been the case of creatures eating the other to survive

We don't need meat to survive now though!

[arista]

Bolt in the head
is fast and gets the job done in a Clean Fashion.
Of Course the Animal feels it.
But we (most of The UK) are going to Eat it.


Roast Beef
is Second to None.

[Novo]

Lamb and Mint sauce

Never does me any harm

:dance:

[Princess]

You don't need meat to live,simple as. I've been a vegetarian for 6 years and I'm perfectly healthy. It is murder,they are being killed,and there is no such fecking thing as 'humanely killed',which one of you would like to be 'humanely killed' and then eaten.

It's up to people though,I don't mind people who eat meat,as long as they don't try and convince me that I should.

[Stu]

You don't need meat to live,simple as. I've been a vegetarian for 6 years and I'm perfectly healthy. It is murder,they are being killed,and there is no such fecking thing as 'humanely killed',which one of you would like to be 'humanely killed' and then eaten.

It's up to people though,I don't mind people who eat meat,as long as they try and convince me that I should.
Amen to that, sister!

People who eat meat are just ignorant. But I would not bother them and respect them if they at least owned up to there ignorance. We all have our ignorant points, some more than others.

Your killing an animal. It may be less smart than you, but it's still a fully functioning living thing. The idea that it is 'natural' to eat meat is insane also. Natural is not an argument unto itself.

It's just the willful abandonment of reason in exchange for making petty excuses in justification.

[Tom4784]

Eating meat is natural, we're built to eat them if we choose, our incisors are their to bite through meat and tough food. Humans are omnivores we can eat both greens and meat nowadays we can live healthly without one as long as vitamins and supplements are used. I personally eat meat though but I got nothing against people who don't. Just don't judge me for it.

[Scarlett.]

I support Sir. Aristabot in this argument

Meat is nice and tasty, lettuce is not

[arista]

I support Sir. Aristabot in this argument

Meat is nice and tasty, lettuce is not


Correct Meat is nice
and Veg with it
Perfect Mix, infact.

http://www.midasupload.com/users/1/roast_beef.jpg

[Stu]

Eating meat is natural, we're built to eat them if we choose, our incisors are their to bite through meat and tough food.
Congratulations, you have just described evolution.

You see, thing is, way back in ye olde times, impregnating your sister was relatively normal too.

[Scarlett.]

I support Sir. Aristabot in this argument

Meat is nice and tasty, lettuce is not


Correct Meat is nice
and Veg with it
Perfect Mix, infact.

http://www.midasupload.com/users/1/roast_beef.jpg

Agreed :thumbs:

[Novo]

Arista can i come to your place for a sunday roast?

[arista]

Arista can i come to your place for a sunday roast?


If it were possible
Yes Andy.


A Good Meal
keeps you Alive.

[Harry!]

Normal?

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_274/1212185872ZKO73Q.jpg

Normal?

http://www.foxriverwatch.com/man_eating_fish.jpg

They are both the same.

[Stu]

Normal?

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_274/1212185872ZKO73Q.jpg

Normal?

http://www.foxriverwatch.com/man_eating_fish.jpg

They are both the same.
No there not. One is a human. He cuts his hair, he buys clothes, and he practices sanitation. He can cook, farm, grow and use cutlery. He talks. Unless of course you live in a jungle swinging from tree to tree in between giving incredibly lazy arguments.

[Harry!]

Normal?

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_274/1212185872ZKO73Q.jpg

Normal?

http://www.foxriverwatch.com/man_eating_fish.jpg

They are both the same.
No there not. One is a human. He cuts his hair, he buys clothes, and he practices sanitation. He can cook, farm, grow and use cutlery. He talks. Unless of course you live in a jungle swinging from tree to tree in between giving incredibly lazy arguments.



But they are eating meat. So they are the same.

[Captain.Remy]

The Bible says we have to dominate the animals. So there we go. What is animals' aim to be honest ? To be eaten, nothing else.

[Stu]

But they are eating meat. So they are the same.
Can you tell the difference between a wild animal and a human?

The Bible says we have to dominate the animals. So there we go. What is animals' aim to be honest ? To be eaten, nothing else.
Your using the BIBLE as an argument? What about the Nazarite vow of not eating meat? What about the parts of the Bible that say the earth is flat? Do you also have seven wives? Do you stone woman who break the law ... in public?

[Harry!]

ProbeEight a human is a animal. We are also wild as well. But more of us and more adapted to life.

[Scarlett.]

Can you tell the difference between a wild animal and a human?


No difference

List of animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animal_names)

Scroll down to H

Humans are animals, end of.

[Captain.Remy]

Your using the BIBLE as an argument? What about the Nazarite vow of not eating meat? What about the parts of the Bible that say the earth is flat? Do you also have seven wives? Do you stone woman who break the law ... in public?

None of this because I don't agree with them but I agree on the animals one. Give me proof of how are animals useful. Nothing. They're here to be eaten and that's it.

[Fom]

It is just natural to eat other animals, I always class murder as killing the same species as you. Like would a Lion kill another Lion? If it does its a little weird (it does happen, maybe not that often)

I own up to the fact that when I eat a steak I don't think of an animal, I see it as a steak.

[Stu]

Can you tell the difference between a wild animal and a human?


No difference

List of animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animal_names)

Scroll down to H

Humans are animals, end of.
I think you missed the 'wild' bit in that post of mine.


Your using the BIBLE as an argument? What about the Nazarite vow of not eating meat? What about the parts of the Bible that say the earth is flat? Do you also have seven wives? Do you stone woman who break the law ... in public?

None of this because I don't agree with them but I agree on the animals one. Give me proof of how are animals useful. Nothing. They're here to be eaten and that's it.
Give me proof on how mentally disabled humans are useful. Is that really a good argument? Do cows have to play strip poker in a field for you to not eat them?

It's killing something that can think and feel emotion. And eating it. I have no problem with meat eaters as long as they are honest.

Would you kill a dog and eat it? Why not? Who cares if it is domesticated? It is still an animal! It cant do your laundry!

[Harry!]

Humans are 'wild' and there habitat is something called a 'house'.

A part of history 'de-wilding' infamosly happened in WW2 with Hitler and the Holocaust 'de-wilding' the Jews.

Dont care if 'de-wilding' isnt a word.

[Stu]

Humans are 'wild' and there habitat is something called a 'house'.
Do you run around your house in a toga smearing **** all over the walls? Are you posting here by freak chance of banging your fists on the keyboard in the right order?

[arista]

"Would you kill a dog and eat it? "


In the Western World we do not Eat Dogs or Cats.


In China they do
and do not care what anyone thinks.

[Harry!]

Humans are 'wild' and there habitat is something called a 'house'.
Do you run around your house in a toga smearing s*** all over the walls? Are you posting here by freak chance of banging your fists on the keyboard in the right order?



Was you good at biology in school by any chance.

[Fom]

Humans are 'wild' and there habitat is something called a 'house'.
Do you run around your house in a toga smearing s*** all over the walls? Are you posting here by freak chance of banging your fists on the keyboard in the right order?



He has a point, what makes us non wild? Because we live in a house? A bird lives in a house... they just call it a nest.

[Stu]

Humans are 'wild' and there habitat is something called a 'house'.
Do you run around your house in a toga smearing s*** all over the walls? Are you posting here by freak chance of banging your fists on the keyboard in the right order?



He has a point, what makes us non wild? Because we live in a house? A bird lives in a house... they just call it a nest.
We have civilization, art, culture, we spread history, we carry ourselves a certain way. We try to explain the existence we are conscious of through philosophy and religion. We have an ego and we know it, basically.

Whatever your opinions on meat, that's cool, your not jamming it down my throat so i'm not blowing a hissy fit, but we ARE civilized. We have society. Your not honestly putting up a case against that, are you?

Humans are 'wild' and there habitat is something called a 'house'.
Do you run around your house in a toga smearing s*** all over the walls? Are you posting here by freak chance of banging your fists on the keyboard in the right order?



Was you good at biology in school by any chance.
Never took it. I picked Chemistry instead for my Leaving Cert. Managed to pass it too, amazingly!

[Harry!]

Exacly. ProbeEight read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat

Read the whole page.

[Stu]

Exacly. ProbeEight read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat

Read the whole page.
Yeah. We have a habitat. So? We still have civilization. How many lions have you seen open direct debit accounts?

If you were right, and we were just instinctual animals like any other, we would not feel guilt about killing each other. And we would not take the cheap way out and wash our hands of responsibility by letting slaughterhouses do the work.

So go on. Down on your hands and knees and catch some chickens. Eat it while it still breaths. After all, we are wild.

[setanta]

If we're still wild, as some of you have suggested, then you, along with every member of your family should take part in the ancient ritual of killing these animals yourselves. Seems like a logical step to take if we're still the tribesman you claim us to be. Could you do it?

[Harry!]

Exacly. ProbeEight read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat

Read the whole page.
Yeah. We have a habitat. So?

We are 'wild' in our surrundings and other animals see us as 'wild' too. Look from more then one prespective.

[Stu]

Exacly. ProbeEight read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat

Read the whole page.
Yeah. We have a habitat. So?

We are 'wild' in our surrundings and other animals see us as 'wild' too. Look from more then one prespective.
Speak for yourself. I am perfectly fine in my surroundings. I can make tea and wash my teeth.

What has how other animals see us got to do with this? Are your family under threat from being eaten by a hungry parade of buffalo outside your front door? No. Because we have CIVILIZATION to protect ourselves.

[Stu]

Is this really happening? Am I really trying to argue this point?

[Captain.Remy]

Give me proof on how mentally disabled humans are useful. Is that really a good argument? Do cows have to play strip poker in a field for you to not eat them?

It's killing something that can think and feel emotion. And eating it. I have no problem with meat eaters as long as they are honest.

Would you kill a dog and eat it? Why not? Who cares if it is domesticated? It is still an animal! It cant do your laundry!

I don't see the link between animals and disables humans but oh well, I guess you got a weird logic.

I am an honest meat eater, it's how life goes on, Men dominate animals and that's it.

I also don't see how it's bad to eat a dog, it's an animal like another, it surely can be tasty. So is cast. I ate a lot of animals (shark, snake, ostrich...) and I couldn't see a problem with it.

[Stu]

Give me proof on how mentally disabled humans are useful. Is that really a good argument? Do cows have to play strip poker in a field for you to not eat them?

It's killing something that can think and feel emotion. And eating it. I have no problem with meat eaters as long as they are honest.

Would you kill a dog and eat it? Why not? Who cares if it is domesticated? It is still an animal! It cant do your laundry!

I don't see the link between animals and disables humans but oh well, I guess you got a weird logic.

I am an honest meat eater, it's how life goes on, Men dominate animals and that's it.

I also don't see how it's bad to eat a dog, it's an animal like another, it surely can be tasty. So is cast. I ate a lot of animals (shark, snake, ostrich...) and I couldn't see a problem with it.
I dont see the logic in it. Read what I am posting. I followed it up with ''Is that really a good argument?''. Men dominate animals and that is it? That is not an argument unto itself. We dont NEED to dominate animals and some choose not to because it hurts the animals. And I like animals thus it makes no sense to hurt them.

I applaud your honesty with relation to dogs though :thumbs:.

[Harry!]

Exacly. ProbeEight read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat

Read the whole page.
Yeah. We have a habitat. So?

We are 'wild' in our surrundings and other animals see us as 'wild' too. Look from more then one prespective.
Speak for yourself. I am perfectly fine in my surroundings. I can make tea and wash my teeth.

What has how other animals see us got to do with this? Are your family under threat from being eaten by a hungry parade of buffalo outside your front door? No. Because we have CIVILIZATION to protect ourselves.

We are the stronger animal. We have adapted and grew to become what we are today.

A bunch of rabbits and a bunch of wolfs. Which animal group has adapted to become stronger?

Stop looking at it from the human prespective and you will get a better view.

[Stu]

We are the stronger animal.
No we are not. There are hundreds of animals that would rip us to shreds faster than your brain processing ability. I thought you did biology? But we have built society to combat this. We are not the strongest. We ARE, however, the smartest. I hope.

Thus is my argument. Carte blanche. Thus is how we are different to instinctual animals. Have you caught those chickens yet? After all, wild animals catch there own food. It's nature LOLZ.

[Captain.Remy]

I dont see the logic in it. Read what I am posting. I followed it up with ''Is that really a good argument?''. Men dominate animals and that is it? That is not an argument unto itself. We dont NEED to dominate animals and some choose not to because it hurts the animals. And I like animals thus it makes no sense to hurt them.

I applaud your honesty with relation to dogs though :thumbs:.

Take the issue in the other way around...is it normal for animals to sometimes eat human beings ?
It's the law of the Jungle, the strongest and the most clever always wins, this is how we managed to be there today. No domination, no Men. Sad but true. Some have to be the weakest and some have to be the leaders.

[Harry!]

We are the stronger animal.
No we are not. There are hundreds of animals that would rip us to shreds faster than your brain processing ability. But we have built society to combat this. We are not the strongest. We ARE, however, the smartest. I hope.

Thus is my argument. Carte blanche. Thus is how we are different to instinctual animals. Have you caught those chickens yet? After all, wild animals catch there own food. It's nature LOLZ.

My argument is that we have adapted to become as we are today. Just leave it.

[Fom]

Fair counter argument, I just thought it was an interesting way to look at it :P

[Stu]

I dont see the logic in it. Read what I am posting. I followed it up with ''Is that really a good argument?''. Men dominate animals and that is it? That is not an argument unto itself. We dont NEED to dominate animals and some choose not to because it hurts the animals. And I like animals thus it makes no sense to hurt them.

I applaud your honesty with relation to dogs though :thumbs:.

Take the issue in the other way around...is it normal for animals to sometimes eat human beings ?
It's the law of the Jungle, the strongest and the most clever always wins, this is how we managed to be there today. No domination, no Men. Sad but true. Some have to be the weakest and some have to be the leaders.
Is it normal for animals to eat humans? Good question. It is neither normal nor not normal, because in the animals mind, they cant THINK about it. They cant THINK of the consequences of killing another living thing. We can. And these days we dont need to do it, but we do out of ignorance because it is tasty. Thats basically it.

We are the stronger animal.
No we are not. There are hundreds of animals that would rip us to shreds faster than your brain processing ability. But we have built society to combat this. We are not the strongest. We ARE, however, the smartest. I hope.

Thus is my argument. Carte blanche. Thus is how we are different to instinctual animals. Have you caught those chickens yet? After all, wild animals catch there own food. It's nature LOLZ.

My argument is that we have adapted to become as we are today. Just leave it.
Thats not an argument. Thats just a fact. We call it time. Your argument was we are not civilized, we are wild.

Wild animals catch there own food. THATS nature. Now hunt some dinner.

[Harry!]

Well what do you think farms are for? For fun. No the farmers 'catch' our food and we prepare it.

[Captain.Remy]

Is it normal for animals to eat humans? Good question. It is neither normal nor not normal, because in the animals mind, they cant THINK about it. They cant THINK of the consequences of killing another living thing. We can. And these days we dont need to do it, but we do out of ignorance because it is tasty. Thats basically it.

If I had the choice between eating a horse steak (typically French I know lol) or getting swallowed by an Anaconda, trust me I'd take the horse.
I couldn't live without meat.
Also I'd like to point out that if eating meat is murder then we would all be locked in prison right now. It's not because societes got used to do it so it became normal to do it.
We, humans, were the smartest before being the strongest. We may not have been the strongest ones in the past (no guns...) but by outsmarting the animals, we managed to be the strongest ones.

[Scarlett.]

http://bakechickenleg.com/images/chicken-quarter.jpg

nom.

[Stu]

Is it normal for animals to eat humans? Good question. It is neither normal nor not normal, because in the animals mind, they cant THINK about it. They cant THINK of the consequences of killing another living thing. We can. And these days we dont need to do it, but we do out of ignorance because it is tasty. Thats basically it.

If I had the choice between eating a horse steak (typically French I know lol) or getting swallowed by an Anaconda, trust me I'd take the horse.
I couldn't live without meat.
Also I'd like to point out that if eating meat is murder then we would all be locked in prison right now. It's not because societes got used to do it so it became normal to do it.
We, humans, were the smartest before being the strongest. We may not have been the strongest ones in the past (no guns...) but by outsmarting the animals, we managed to be the strongest ones.
It's still killing lol. Prison has nothing to do with something. You kill an animal, it dies. Thats killing.

We outsmarted the animals, your right. And we are very smart and very advanced now, so why do we still eat meat? Because it tastes good! Thats all I want people to admit! It's not nature anymore. Cheetah's dont battery farm Gazelles!

Well what do you think farms are for? For fun. No the farmers 'catch' our food and we prepare it.
Exactly. Thus, we have civilization, and are not wild. You proved my own argument for me.

Although I never knew farmers caught cows. Where can you get nets that big?

[InOne]

These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.

[InOne]

These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.

[Harry!]

No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.

[Harry!]

No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.

[Scarlett.]

These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite

[Scarlett.]

These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite

[Princess]

These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite

OI Quorn is delicious! Some of it has to be drowned in ketchup tbh,but most of it is delish.

[Princess]

These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite

OI Quorn is delicious! Some of it has to be drowned in ketchup tbh,but most of it is delish.

[Stu]

No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.

[Stu]

No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.

[Scarlett.]

These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite

OI Quorn is delicious! Some of it has to be drowned in ketchup tbh,but most of it is delish.lol I dont like it personally, although I did have some Quorn mince meat in a Chilli Con Carne, I admit, I couldnt tell the difference there :bigsmile:

[Scarlett.]

These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite

OI Quorn is delicious! Some of it has to be drowned in ketchup tbh,but most of it is delish.lol I dont like it personally, although I did have some Quorn mince meat in a Chilli Con Carne, I admit, I couldnt tell the difference there :bigsmile:

[Harry!]

No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.

Because we have developed techniques to prepare food. We can still be eaten. Therefore we are wild. We can become battery chickens (humans) if was possible that another species evolved to become better then us. New word for you. Evolution.

[Harry!]

No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.

Because we have developed techniques to prepare food. We can still be eaten. Therefore we are wild. We can become battery chickens (humans) if was possible that another species evolved to become better then us. New word for you. Evolution.

[Stu]

No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.

Because we have developed techniques to prepare food. We can still be eaten. Therefore we are wild. We can become battery chickens (humans) if was possible that another species evolved to become better then us. New word for you. Evolution.
Yes, but that has not happened. New word for you : reality. Your using other animals evolving to become smarter than us as a genuine argument? Have you any idea how long evolution of that magnitude would take? Billions of years. And would it suddenly make it right for us to be killed and eaten then if there was something smarter than us? You essentially just created another argument against yourself.

We can still be eaten, therefore we are wild? That's not an argument. Thats a fallacious statement. Your not in any severe risk of being eaten unless you venture outside of the CIVILIZED SOCIETY we have built to PROTECT OURSELVES from such things. Because we are smart. Because we are not wild and instinctual.

[Stu]

No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.

Because we have developed techniques to prepare food. We can still be eaten. Therefore we are wild. We can become battery chickens (humans) if was possible that another species evolved to become better then us. New word for you. Evolution.
Yes, but that has not happened. New word for you : reality. Your using other animals evolving to become smarter than us as a genuine argument? Have you any idea how long evolution of that magnitude would take? Billions of years. And would it suddenly make it right for us to be killed and eaten then if there was something smarter than us? You essentially just created another argument against yourself.

We can still be eaten, therefore we are wild? That's not an argument. Thats a fallacious statement. Your not in any severe risk of being eaten unless you venture outside of the CIVILIZED SOCIETY we have built to PROTECT OURSELVES from such things. Because we are smart. Because we are not wild and instinctual.

[Harry!]

No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.

Because we have developed techniques to prepare food. We can still be eaten. Therefore we are wild. We can become battery chickens (humans) if was possible that another species evolved to become better then us. New word for you. Evolution.
Yes, but that has not happened. New word for you : reality. Your using other animals evolving to become smarter than us as a genuine argument? Have you any idea how long evolution of that magnitude would take? Billions of years. And would it suddenly make it right for us to be killed and eaten then if there was something smarter than us? You essentially just created another argument against yourself.

We can still be eaten, therefore we are wild? That's not an argument. Thats a fallacious statement. Your not in any severe risk of being eaten unless you venture outside of the CIVILIZED SOCIETY we have built to PROTECT OURSELVES from such things. Because we are smart. Because we are not wild and instinctual.

What about people in Africa? In there contry do they stand greatar risk because of the animals who live there?

You are thinking too much about the UK and what the UK enviroment holds. Of corse no creatures can kill us here but others sure can in other countrys.

Just stop twittering on please about CIVILIZED SOCIETY . As I have said we are wild and if in a different country can be more at danger from attack.

[Harry!]

No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.

Because we have developed techniques to prepare food. We can still be eaten. Therefore we are wild. We can become battery chickens (humans) if was possible that another species evolved to become better then us. New word for you. Evolution.
Yes, but that has not happened. New word for you : reality. Your using other animals evolving to become smarter than us as a genuine argument? Have you any idea how long evolution of that magnitude would take? Billions of years. And would it suddenly make it right for us to be killed and eaten then if there was something smarter than us? You essentially just created another argument against yourself.

We can still be eaten, therefore we are wild? That's not an argument. Thats a fallacious statement. Your not in any severe risk of being eaten unless you venture outside of the CIVILIZED SOCIETY we have built to PROTECT OURSELVES from such things. Because we are smart. Because we are not wild and instinctual.

What about people in Africa? In there contry do they stand greatar risk because of the animals who live there?

You are thinking too much about the UK and what the UK enviroment holds. Of corse no creatures can kill us here but others sure can in other countrys.

Just stop twittering on please about CIVILIZED SOCIETY . As I have said we are wild and if in a different country can be more at danger from attack.

[Stu]

There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.

[Stu]

There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.

[Scarlett.]

There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?

http://fundwhat.com/__oneclick_uploads/2008/10/sudan1_470x350.jpg

No, thought not

[Scarlett.]

There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?

http://fundwhat.com/__oneclick_uploads/2008/10/sudan1_470x350.jpg

No, thought not

[Harry!]

Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.

[Harry!]

Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.

[Stu]

There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?


No, thought not
Do they form the majority of the make up of the world we live in?

No. Thought not. In fact, it is a damn shame and a tragedy that as a civilized society there is still so much poverty and inequality. Plus I ALREADY alluded to tribal existence.

*sigh*

[Stu]

There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?


No, thought not
Do they form the majority of the make up of the world we live in?

No. Thought not. In fact, it is a damn shame and a tragedy that as a civilized society there is still so much poverty and inequality. Plus I ALREADY alluded to tribal existence.

*sigh*

[Stu]

Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.
No, therefore we do NOT have wild traits. We have law. And technology.

Your arguing FOR me at this stage. WILD ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY.

[Stu]

Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.
No, therefore we do NOT have wild traits. We have law. And technology.

Your arguing FOR me at this stage. WILD ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY.

[Scarlett.]

There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?


No, thought not
Do they form the majority of the make up of the world we live in?

No. Thought not. Plus I ALREADY alluded to tribal existence.

*sigh*

Here is the picture that didnt appear
http://fundwhat.com/__oneclick_uploads/2008/10/sudan1_470x350.jpg

They make up a fair chunk of Africa which is a large continent

[Scarlett.]

There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?


No, thought not
Do they form the majority of the make up of the world we live in?

No. Thought not. Plus I ALREADY alluded to tribal existence.

*sigh*

Here is the picture that didnt appear
http://fundwhat.com/__oneclick_uploads/2008/10/sudan1_470x350.jpg

They make up a fair chunk of Africa which is a large continent

[Harry!]

Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.
No, therefore we do NOT have wild traits. We have law. And technology.

Your arguing FOR me at this stage. WILD ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY.

But they could. They use techniques in the wild like technology we use. They have given us ideas. We could give them ideas too.

[Harry!]

Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.
No, therefore we do NOT have wild traits. We have law. And technology.

Your arguing FOR me at this stage. WILD ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY.

But they could. They use techniques in the wild like technology we use. They have given us ideas. We could give them ideas too.

[Stu]

There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?


No, thought not
Do they form the majority of the make up of the world we live in?

No. Thought not. Plus I ALREADY alluded to tribal existence.

*sigh*

Here is the picture that didnt appear
http://fundwhat.com/__oneclick_uploads/2008/10/sudan1_470x350.jpg

They make up a fair chunk of Africa which is a large continent
I already saw the picture. We all saw it.

They make up a fair chunk of Africa, yes, but small in relation to the rest of the world. They are poor, unfortunately. Victims of there condition. Not sure have you realized this, but it takes money to start a chicken plant.

The argument is totally meaningless.

[Stu]

There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?


No, thought not
Do they form the majority of the make up of the world we live in?

No. Thought not. Plus I ALREADY alluded to tribal existence.

*sigh*

Here is the picture that didnt appear
http://fundwhat.com/__oneclick_uploads/2008/10/sudan1_470x350.jpg

They make up a fair chunk of Africa which is a large continent
I already saw the picture. We all saw it.

They make up a fair chunk of Africa, yes, but small in relation to the rest of the world. They are poor, unfortunately. Victims of there condition. Not sure have you realized this, but it takes money to start a chicken plant.

The argument is totally meaningless.

[Stu]

Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.
No, therefore we do NOT have wild traits. We have law. And technology.

Your arguing FOR me at this stage. WILD ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY.

But they could. They use techniques in the wild like technology we use. They have given us ideas. We could give them ideas too.
No. Abstract point. Bears are not going to set up a judicial system anytime soon. Nor are they going to build slaughterhouses sometime within the next millenia.

But we have these things. Because we are not wild. Your delving into fantasy at this stage.

[Stu]

Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.
No, therefore we do NOT have wild traits. We have law. And technology.

Your arguing FOR me at this stage. WILD ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY.

But they could. They use techniques in the wild like technology we use. They have given us ideas. We could give them ideas too.
No. Abstract point. Bears are not going to set up a judicial system anytime soon. Nor are they going to build slaughterhouses sometime within the next millenia.

But we have these things. Because we are not wild. Your delving into fantasy at this stage.

[Harry!]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is why this thread was created.

[Harry!]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is why this thread was created.

[Princess]

These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite

OI Quorn is delicious! Some of it has to be drowned in ketchup tbh,but most of it is delish.lol I dont like it personally, although I did have some Quorn mince meat in a Chilli Con Carne, I admit, I couldnt tell the difference there :bigsmile:

Ummm chilli con carne<3

[Princess]

These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite

OI Quorn is delicious! Some of it has to be drowned in ketchup tbh,but most of it is delish.lol I dont like it personally, although I did have some Quorn mince meat in a Chilli Con Carne, I admit, I couldnt tell the difference there :bigsmile:

Ummm chilli con carne<3

[Stu]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is why this thread was created.
This thread was created to pose the question of eating meat. You are posing a different question. You are saying we are wild. This is wrong. We are not. There is no opinion in fact. I have already proved to you how we are not wild. In fact, I cant believe I have to. I am thinking you just have nothing else to argue hence why you made that post, to try and salvage something.

[Stu]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is why this thread was created.
This thread was created to pose the question of eating meat. You are posing a different question. You are saying we are wild. This is wrong. We are not. There is no opinion in fact. I have already proved to you how we are not wild. In fact, I cant believe I have to. I am thinking you just have nothing else to argue hence why you made that post, to try and salvage something.

[InOne]

Let's pose another question then. Do you think the vid in the OP should be shown to kids?? Or what age do you think? Should we shelter them from where their meat comes from?

[InOne]

Let's pose another question then. Do you think the vid in the OP should be shown to kids?? Or what age do you think? Should we shelter them from where their meat comes from?

[30stone]

Why now should we not eat meat?


Either way i can't do it, I drop weight extremely quickly as it is without meat id look terrible wouldnt be able to gain too much size or muscle.

Tuna
Chicken
Mince

Are very important.

Ohhh and even my cat can tell the difference between Quorn and meat.

Quorn has less protein :nono:

[30stone]

Why now should we not eat meat?


Either way i can't do it, I drop weight extremely quickly as it is without meat id look terrible wouldnt be able to gain too much size or muscle.

Tuna
Chicken
Mince

Are very important.

Ohhh and even my cat can tell the difference between Quorn and meat.

Quorn has less protein :nono:

[Princess]

Why now should we not eat meat?


Either way i can't do it, I drop weight extremely quickly as it is without meat id look terrible wouldnt be able to gain too much size or muscle.

Tuna
Chicken
Mince

Are very important.

Ohhh and even my cat can tell the difference between Quorn and meat.

Quorn has less protein :nono:

:conf: No it doesn't Quorn has the exact same amount of protein as meat does,I remember doing it in Home Ec.

[Princess]

Why now should we not eat meat?


Either way i can't do it, I drop weight extremely quickly as it is without meat id look terrible wouldnt be able to gain too much size or muscle.

Tuna
Chicken
Mince

Are very important.

Ohhh and even my cat can tell the difference between Quorn and meat.

Quorn has less protein :nono:

:conf: No it doesn't Quorn has the exact same amount of protein as meat does,I remember doing it in Home Ec.

[Fom]

Quorn is decent, but its not meat. Im picky with food and I can just tell, there is that after taste which isnt satisfying. Plus they don't make quorn steaks haha, and if they did it wouldn't have that lovely stringy falling apart texture.

Some people need to get a grip and realise there are other opinions in the world other than yours, some people like meat and some people aren't upset at the fact it came from a living thing. Get over it. It is not murder because if it was murder everyone would be locked up... its a fact of life that we eat meat, it is natural to us... always has been and always will be. Our body requires meat to survive, obviously now with quorn and other stuff it is made possible to not need meat... but without technology you would be unhealthy not eating it.

My reason for eating meat? I really enjoy it, there is nothing more I enjoy than meat, steak, chicken, fish, lamb, pork... I like it all. If I enjoy it then I am going to do it... it is a free country.

[Fom]

Quorn is decent, but its not meat. Im picky with food and I can just tell, there is that after taste which isnt satisfying. Plus they don't make quorn steaks haha, and if they did it wouldn't have that lovely stringy falling apart texture.

Some people need to get a grip and realise there are other opinions in the world other than yours, some people like meat and some people aren't upset at the fact it came from a living thing. Get over it. It is not murder because if it was murder everyone would be locked up... its a fact of life that we eat meat, it is natural to us... always has been and always will be. Our body requires meat to survive, obviously now with quorn and other stuff it is made possible to not need meat... but without technology you would be unhealthy not eating it.

My reason for eating meat? I really enjoy it, there is nothing more I enjoy than meat, steak, chicken, fish, lamb, pork... I like it all. If I enjoy it then I am going to do it... it is a free country.

[Princess]

Fom,Quorn do like EVERYTHING,steaks and all. But I've been told the only things that taste like meat are the mince and the chicken burgers. I don't remember what meat tastes like. As I said before I don't mind people eating meat as long as they don't think I should. It's a nice idea that everyone could be veggie but it's never gonna happen so no point trying to convince everyone to do it :P

[Princess]

Fom,Quorn do like EVERYTHING,steaks and all. But I've been told the only things that taste like meat are the mince and the chicken burgers. I don't remember what meat tastes like. As I said before I don't mind people eating meat as long as they don't think I should. It's a nice idea that everyone could be veggie but it's never gonna happen so no point trying to convince everyone to do it :P

[Fom]

Fom,Quorn do like EVERYTHING,steaks and all. But I've been told the only things that taste like meat are the mince and the chicken burgers. I don't remember what meat tastes like. As I said before I don't mind people eating meat as long as they don't think I should. It's a nice idea that everyone could be veggie but it's never gonna happen so no point trying to convince everyone to do it :P

Haha, I have had quorn mince before... it was alright. You could tell that it was getting there, but me being a weirdo could just tell, there was that slight thing missing. But if you have forgot what meat tastes like then I can understand how much you think it tastes like meat because its close. I am exactly the same as you, I have nothing against vegetarians as long as people don't throw it on me :)
I even want to try out being a vegetarian just as an experience, I could never do it because I love meat. But I still want to try it for a bit!

[Fom]

Fom,Quorn do like EVERYTHING,steaks and all. But I've been told the only things that taste like meat are the mince and the chicken burgers. I don't remember what meat tastes like. As I said before I don't mind people eating meat as long as they don't think I should. It's a nice idea that everyone could be veggie but it's never gonna happen so no point trying to convince everyone to do it :P

Haha, I have had quorn mince before... it was alright. You could tell that it was getting there, but me being a weirdo could just tell, there was that slight thing missing. But if you have forgot what meat tastes like then I can understand how much you think it tastes like meat because its close. I am exactly the same as you, I have nothing against vegetarians as long as people don't throw it on me :)
I even want to try out being a vegetarian just as an experience, I could never do it because I love meat. But I still want to try it for a bit!

[Princess]

Fom,Quorn do like EVERYTHING,steaks and all. But I've been told the only things that taste like meat are the mince and the chicken burgers. I don't remember what meat tastes like. As I said before I don't mind people eating meat as long as they don't think I should. It's a nice idea that everyone could be veggie but it's never gonna happen so no point trying to convince everyone to do it :P

Haha, I have had quorn mince before... it was alright. You could tell that it was getting there, but me being a weirdo could just tell, there was that slight thing missing. But if you have forgot what meat tastes like then I can understand how much you think it tastes like meat because its close. I am exactly the same as you, I have nothing against vegetarians as long as people don't throw it on me :)
I even want to try out being a vegetarian just as an experience, I could never do it because I love meat. But I still want to try it for a bit!

Woo for us being sensible :tongue: You should,just for a go. A lot of people are silly though and go cold turkey(lol),I gave up a different meat every few weeks to phase it out,so it took me a good few months to become a veggie which was kinda easier for me.

[Princess]

Fom,Quorn do like EVERYTHING,steaks and all. But I've been told the only things that taste like meat are the mince and the chicken burgers. I don't remember what meat tastes like. As I said before I don't mind people eating meat as long as they don't think I should. It's a nice idea that everyone could be veggie but it's never gonna happen so no point trying to convince everyone to do it :P

Haha, I have had quorn mince before... it was alright. You could tell that it was getting there, but me being a weirdo could just tell, there was that slight thing missing. But if you have forgot what meat tastes like then I can understand how much you think it tastes like meat because its close. I am exactly the same as you, I have nothing against vegetarians as long as people don't throw it on me :)
I even want to try out being a vegetarian just as an experience, I could never do it because I love meat. But I still want to try it for a bit!

Woo for us being sensible :tongue: You should,just for a go. A lot of people are silly though and go cold turkey(lol),I gave up a different meat every few weeks to phase it out,so it took me a good few months to become a veggie which was kinda easier for me.

[Fom]

If I did do it, it would only be for about a month. Try out quorn, get lots of vegetables in... eat lots of cheese :P

[Fom]

If I did do it, it would only be for about a month. Try out quorn, get lots of vegetables in... eat lots of cheese :P

[Princess]

Ummmm cheese<3. I live on cheese,Quorn and carbs. For a veggie,I actually hardly eat any vegetables! I adore fruit though.

[Princess]

Ummmm cheese<3. I live on cheese,Quorn and carbs. For a veggie,I actually hardly eat any vegetables! I adore fruit though.

[Harry!]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is why this thread was created.
This thread was created to pose the question of eating meat. You are posing a different question. You are saying we are wild. This is wrong. We are not. There is no opinion in fact. I have already proved to you how we are not wild. In fact, I cant believe I have to. I am thinking you just have nothing else to argue hence why you made that post, to try and salvage something.

I said that we are wild and we can eat meat.

[Harry!]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is why this thread was created.
This thread was created to pose the question of eating meat. You are posing a different question. You are saying we are wild. This is wrong. We are not. There is no opinion in fact. I have already proved to you how we are not wild. In fact, I cant believe I have to. I am thinking you just have nothing else to argue hence why you made that post, to try and salvage something.

I said that we are wild and we can eat meat.

[Stu]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is why this thread was created.
This thread was created to pose the question of eating meat. You are posing a different question. You are saying we are wild. This is wrong. We are not. There is no opinion in fact. I have already proved to you how we are not wild. In fact, I cant believe I have to. I am thinking you just have nothing else to argue hence why you made that post, to try and salvage something.

I said that we are wild and we can eat meat.
Yes. I know. And then I gave you all the arguments and evidence to suggest we are not wild. Which we are not. Now your just going in circles. You don't have an argument. We are not wild. The proof is both in front of you and under your fingers, as well as everything I have stated.

[Stu]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is why this thread was created.
This thread was created to pose the question of eating meat. You are posing a different question. You are saying we are wild. This is wrong. We are not. There is no opinion in fact. I have already proved to you how we are not wild. In fact, I cant believe I have to. I am thinking you just have nothing else to argue hence why you made that post, to try and salvage something.

I said that we are wild and we can eat meat.
Yes. I know. And then I gave you all the arguments and evidence to suggest we are not wild. Which we are not. Now your just going in circles. You don't have an argument. We are not wild. The proof is both in front of you and under your fingers, as well as everything I have stated.

[Stu]

Why now should we not eat meat?


Either way i can't do it, I drop weight extremely quickly as it is without meat id look terrible wouldnt be able to gain too much size or muscle.

Tuna
Chicken
Mince

Are very important.

Ohhh and even my cat can tell the difference between Quorn and meat.

Quorn has less protein :nono:
Some of us care more about other animals dying than how big our muscles are, I am guessing? :rolleyes:

[Stu]

Why now should we not eat meat?


Either way i can't do it, I drop weight extremely quickly as it is without meat id look terrible wouldnt be able to gain too much size or muscle.

Tuna
Chicken
Mince

Are very important.

Ohhh and even my cat can tell the difference between Quorn and meat.

Quorn has less protein :nono:
Some of us care more about other animals dying than how big our muscles are, I am guessing? :rolleyes:

[Harry!]

We ARE wild! we are free to roam about and do what ever we please.

We are not locked up into farms and and zoos so therefore we are wild.

[Harry!]

We ARE wild! we are free to roam about and do what ever we please.

We are not locked up into farms and and zoos so therefore we are wild.

[Stu]

We ARE wild! we are free to roam about and do what ever we please.

We are not locked up into farms and and zoos so therefore we are wild.
No. What you are describing is called freedom. Being wild is functioning entirely self sufficient on a system of instincts.

Did you catch your dinner today? No. Society provided it for your. Your argument is incredibly weak. It's blatantly obvious. We are not wild.

[Tom]

yes but bacon butties make it worth it

[MassiveTruck]

yes but bacon butties make it worth it


I was going to say the same.

It is murder.

[Vicky.]

• noun 1 the unlawful premeditated killing of one person by another.

Nope...not murder...

[Enid]

Meat is not murder! Meat is delicious!

I love animals... but they taste so good.

Seriously though, I've seen what goes on in these battery farms and it's sickening. That's why I only ever try to eat free-range.

[Prole]

I think you'll find it's the lionesses who do the hunting while the males lay around on the Serengeti scratching themselves. Sounds about right...

Humans are onmivores. We're built to eat meat, but we don't have to support cruelty. I eat meat but make sure it's locally produced, sympathetically reared and humanely slaughtered. I never eat cheap, 'factory farmed' products and I don't eat eggs produced in batteries. It costs slightly more, I think eating meat from an animal that has been treated well tastes different. We have freedom of choice and we can choose not to support an industry that promotes suffering.

[Dr.Gonzo]

I don't know how we can see this as a serious subject when every day we're drowning in the filth and depravity that people do to people. Stop the bombings, the rape, the murder, the genocide, and all the other **** that we've become so accustomed to that doesn't even make us flinch anymore when we hear about it, then start helping Percy Pig.

[InOne]

I don't know how we can see this as a serious subject when every day we're drowning in the filth and depravity that people do to people. Stop the bombings, the rape, the murder, the genocide, and all the other **** that we've become so accustomed to that doesn't even make us flinch anymore when we hear about it, then start helping Percy Pig.

Some people, you will find, take it VERY seriously.

[Crimson Dynamo]

if you were brought up a veg and no meat was available to you and you had no idea we eat animals do you think we would crave meat or look at the cat in a funny way?

genuine question

[Dr.Gonzo]

Some people, you will find, take it VERY seriously.

These people 'I find' need to sort their priorities.

[Stu]

I don't know how we can see this as a serious subject when every day we're drowning in the filth and depravity that people do to people. Stop the bombings, the rape, the murder, the genocide, and all the other **** that we've become so accustomed to that doesn't even make us flinch anymore when we hear about it, then start helping Percy Pig.
What a moronic argument. In that case why are you on TiBB? Get out there and help the unfortunate! Why do we watch TV? Lets scrap that! Why the we have ANY debates whatsoever in out society? Scrap all of them! Scrap space exploration! Scrap everything!

People want to be vegetarian. It does not mean helping humanity is going to stop dead in it's tracks. It hardly takes much effort. You just ... don't eat meat.

[Patrick]

It is murder, and people who say it isnt "Its Tasty" are horrible people!

I eat Meat because I`ve always ate it and it would be hard not to..
Not because its Tasty because there is Nicer foods..

But because its hard to go a week without looking at meat or having Meat in a day, We have Meat in our Lunch Sandwiches and stuff like that,

So its hard not too..


But to the people who say Its Nice and Not Wrong, They wouldnt be sayen that if they were a cow or a Pig about to be MURDERED

[Shaun]

*prepares for backlash*

i really don't care. humans = superior. ktx.

[Patrick]

*prepares for backlash*

i really don't care. humans = superior. ktx.

:shocked:
:joker:
I hope one day you are turned into a Pig and are moments away from being turned into Bacon!

Then you`ll see how cruel it is!

lol

[Dr.Gonzo]

What a moronic argument. In that case why are you on TiBB? Get out there and help the unfortunate! Why do we watch TV? Lets scrap that! Why the we have ANY debates whatsoever in out society? Scrap all of them! Scrap space exploration! Scrap everything!

People want to be vegetarian. It does not mean helping humanity is going to stop dead in it's tracks. It hardly takes much effort. You just ... don't eat meat.

I am now going to log off and save the world, because ProbeEight Crankypants says so. It wasn't an argument. It's my opinion that there are more pressing matters needing to be dealed with before we start thinking of the furry ones' feelings. If people want to be vegetarian, that's fine. It is their choice. It's everyone else's choice to eat deliciously charred flesh. Vegetarians should make peace with that and not scream murder.

[bronaaaa]

That video :(

[Stu]

I am now going to log off and save the world, because ProbeEight Crankypants says so. It wasn't an argument. It's my opinion that there are more pressing matters needing to be dealed with before we start thinking of the furry ones' feelings. If people want to be vegetarian, that's fine. It is their choice. It's everyone else's choice to eat deliciously charred flesh. Vegetarians should make peace with that and not scream murder.
But it's an opinion that makes very little sense. What has being vegetarian got to do with not saving humanity? Because in that case, my argument was spot on. After all, posting on TiBB is not helping humanity either. Neither is most of the other things we do during the day. So to say there are more pressing issues than vegetarianism is a bit of a non entity, don't you think? Do you think every vegetarian on the planet spends all day screaming murder at a wall instead of going to work and having showers?

[Dr.Gonzo]

But it's an opinion that makes very little sense. What has being vegetarian got to do with not saving humanity? Because in that case, my argument was spot on. After all, posting on TiBB is not helping humanity either. Neither is most of the other things we do during the day. So to say there are more pressing issues than vegetarianism is a bit of a non entity, don't you think? Do you think every vegetarian on the planet spends all day screaming murder at a wall instead of going to work and having showers?

There's a difference in what we're talking about. Being vegetarian is a choice people make, and it's fine. It's the 'meat is murder' rant I have a problem with, where people can't be happy with the choices they make and shove their beliefs down my meat-filled mouth. Just like Christianity.

[Stephanie]

meat = <3

[Enid]

It is murder, and people who say it isnt "Its Tasty" are horrible people!

I eat Meat because I`ve always ate it and it would be hard not to..
Not because its Tasty because there is Nicer foods..

But because its hard to go a week without looking at meat or having Meat in a day, We have Meat in our Lunch Sandwiches and stuff like that,

So its hard not too..


But to the people who say Its Nice and Not Wrong, They wouldnt be sayen that if they were a cow or a Pig about to be MURDERED
You are an absolute moron. You eat meat so don't preach to us that think meat is tasty. If you feel you HAVE to eat meat because it's "everywhere" then you're worse than those who choose to eat it.

It isn't murder. We're designed to eat meat and have been doing so since we've been put on this planet.

[arista]

http://lh4.ggpht.com/mann.jill/SD0vgHUys8I/AAAAAAAAAIs/n-5rzJEkIyk/rbyp.jpg

Roast Beef Dinner
Meat and Veg part of every health day food
Utter Fact.

[Stu]

Utter fact? I dont think anybody is denying meat is healthy, Arista, it is. Some people just dont want to eat it. Now your just as bad as the meat is murder people.

[Nurse57]

Humans are not wild.

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[Nurse57]

Try this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQbW5ww1mCo

[atieah2009]

I honestly think at this day and age its not a must need, but honestly who cares? we need them we are all selfish. What we should care about is innocent people dieing then we can care about animals,aliens and on and on.

[atieah2009]

Oh wait i just watched the way they died that is horrific and ****ing sad. At least Religious people or people who actually gave a **** would not kill them that way, that video is just showing how people are killing animals nower days.

Sign of the animal times.

[KKBL]

I have absolutely no problem with people who eat meat,I just hate how some people defend it by saying "its so tasty" or "we need it".
& I'm sure people saying "humans > animals" wouldn't be so smug if aliens came along and ate us claiming "aliens > humans".

[Vicky.]

I have absolutely no problem with people who eat meat,I just hate how some people defend it by saying "its so tasty" or "we need it".


I dont see why people feel the need to explain why they eat meat.

And why is 'its tasty' not a valid reason?

We shouldnt have to 'defend' why we eat it...

[KKBL]

I dont see why people feel the need to explain why they eat meat.

And why is 'its tasty' not a valid reason?

We shouldnt have to 'defend' why we eat it...

I'm not saying that people should or need to defend why they eat meat.But if you are going to bother defending it, then saying "its tasy" is just pathetic in my opinion. Its like randomly killing a cat thats comes into your backyard and defending it by saying "it was fun".

[Vicky.]

I'm not saying that people should or need to defend why they eat meat.But if you are going to bother defending it, then saying "its tasy" is just pathetic in my opinion. Its like randomly killing a cat thats comes into your backyard and defending it by saying "it was fun".

Well i think it being tasty is a very valid reason to eat it.

And its not defending...its just giving a reason why I do.

Though I dont like seeing what they animals go through...but i like meat, and thats it.

[orlanda]

Meat is Murder. Not just of animals who fight the knife as any human would fight the knife, but of ourselves and of the planet.
Many of the world's leading climate change scientists agree farming of meat animals contributes to one third of the world's greenhouse gasses. Most deforestation occurs to find more land for meat production. There are many websites which will show how much water is used to produce 1 kilo of meat or milk. It's beyond belief we humans allow our own destruction when it is so easily avoided. I stopped eating meat after watching the DVD Earthlings. I was appalled. I never even thought of animals and I called myself an animal lover. I was a total hypocrite.
As someone in the medical field and with several science degrees to my name I've read many studies which link animal and dairy products to cancer and heart disease. It is the major cause. In Australia the Heart Foundation is now recommending no meat on tv commercials. Only the marketing hype of the meat and dairy industry keeps alive the myth that meat and milk are healthy.
Violence to animals is linked in many studies to violence to people. I found it easy to stop eating meat. Every vegan I've met said it was easy to stop. We now have Animal Law in our Universities, the next step in ending their abuse. Acting kindly to animals instead of butchering them and abusing them in every way humans know how will be the start of a kinder world. If we can care for creatures that are so alien to us, we begin the journey to caring about those who are not so different. Many of the foremost advocates for animals were also advocating for the end of abuse to humans.
Only non-compassionate, non-caring humans or the truly ignorant and apathetic could eat meat. The information is so widely available now there is no excuse to remain ignorant and to choose not to care.
A hundred years ago slavery of negroes was acceptable. Less than 50 years ago child abuse was acceptable. Women's rights were non existent. Animal rights is the next great social justice movement. The fact that meat farming and dairy farming are so closely linked to climate change is a godsend for animals. In the current environmental awareness climate, and the awareness of cancer causes and causes of obesity and other diseases such as diabetes, animals might finally get the break they need to break the cycle of animal holocaust. Stop the animal holocaust. Go Veg. Stop the horror in which every meat eater and milk drinker is complicit.

[30stone]

Should stop all other animals killing eachother to? Lions shouldn't kill buffalo etc etc..


We are omnivores, we have always eaten meat and always will..

[Nurse57]

To the people who say people who eat meat should have to kill the animal.

I think you should grow your own veg. But then, why bother when there are people on the other side of the world caught in the poverty trap who will grow it for you. It doesn't matter if they can hardly feed themselves because all the land is turned over to food production for us. Well, as long as you don't think about it.

You can make your own clothes too, but that would put that 7 year old child who works 16 hours a day, 7 days a week for a few dollar a week out of work. Mind, if they wern't working then they may be able to get an education to help escape that pityful life, and we can't have that as we would have to pay more in the shops.

Oh, and while you are at it you can decomission you own old electrical goods using dangerous chemicals and acids to get to the small amount of silver and the like. For you efforts you will get paid just enough to feed your family and your life expectancy halved. Your water supply and land that your family rely on will all so become toxic.


Now, tell me I should not use a farmer and butcher to get my meat and should do it myself.

[InOne]

Sorry to bump an old topic, but bored.

I think if we allow religion into the serious debates section this should be. Sometimes the way humans act i'd rather save animals over them, at least they're innocent. I do eat meat, but I do also believe I could live without mean, possibly one day, who knows...

As long as it's a humane way of killing them I don't really mind, but then again, we don't know how they really die, but I guess free range it sort of a step forward, shame it's more expensive.

[ILoveTRW]

Vegetarians piss me off

just get a life

[Tom]

Vegetarianism I can understand but Vegans baffle me.

Chickens NEED to lay eggs, cows NEED to be milked etc

Oh and vegetarians that eat fish are laughable

[LemonJam]

Vegetarians piss me off

just get a life

Says a real world obsessive.

[ILoveTRW]

Says a real world obsessive.

no, says the person with a brain

[LemonJam]

no, says the person with a brain

Which is why Einstein was a vegetarian.

[InOne]

Vegetarians piss me off

just get a life

What do you mean by get a life?

[ILoveTRW]

What do you mean by get a life?

why waste your life not eating meat

i couldnt live with out meat

oh and my new user name will be ILoveMeat in a month or so, when Fresh Meat comes back

[InOne]

why waste your life not eating meat

i couldnt live with out meat

oh and my new user name will be ILoveMeat in a month or so, when Fresh Meat comes back

You could live without meat.

[ILoveTRW]

no, i have it with every dinner

[Maia]

I am a proud vegetarian, but I don't look down on those who prefer to eat meat. Although my sister would definitely classify it as "murder" :laugh:

[InOne]

Yes, but if you really had to, you could live with out. You want it, don't need it.

[ILoveTRW]

i would consider suicide if i wasn't allowed another bacon butty

have you ever tried meat?

[InOne]

i would consider suicide if i wasn't allowed another bacon butty

have you ever tried meat?

Who ever said I was veggie?

[ILoveTRW]

Who ever said I was veggie?

just got the impression you was

[InOne]

just got the impression you was

You need to learn to think outside the box.

[Princess]

Vegetarianism I can understand but Vegans baffle me.

Chickens NEED to lay eggs, cows NEED to be milked etc

Oh and vegetarians that eat fish are laughable

THIS! Omg the amount of people who ask me if I eat fish and then go 'Oh but I thought vegetarians ate fish?' Yeah the hyprocite ones. Drives me mad.

[InOne]

THIS! Omg the amount of people who ask me if I eat fish and then go 'Oh but I thought vegetarians ate fish?' Yeah the hyprocite ones. Drives me mad.

There is those people who do it to look 'indie' or 'trendy' like "Ohhhhh I like the smiths i'm veggie like Morrissey hehe" They annoy me most, I don't mind if people have a passion for it, that's good.

[Vicky.]

THIS! Omg the amount of people who ask me if I eat fish and then go 'Oh but I thought vegetarians ate fish?' Yeah the hyprocite ones. Drives me mad.

Yeah, never quite understood it to be honest.

And vegans...dont even get me started...

I have a mate who is a vegan, and when she came to mine once, I was eating bacon and eggs...I didnt know she was coming...she glared at my plate, we had a massive arguement and it turned out she was pissed that I would eat meat in her company...I told her to get a life, but then it turned out that the fact that I also had eggs made it worse...bizzare...

I got annoyed that she kicked off about what I eat though, its nowt to do with her, so next time I knew she was coming, I put a huge beef joint in about 2 hours before so it was in the middle of cooking when she got here :D

[Princess]

Yeah, never quite understood it to be honest.

And vegans...dont even get me started...

I have a mate who is a vegan, and when she came to mine once, I was eating bacon and eggs...I didnt know she was coming...she glared at my plate, we had a massive arguement and it turned out she was pissed that I would eat meat in her company...I told her to get a life, but then it turned out that the fact that I also had eggs made it worse...bizzare...

I got annoyed that she kicked off about what I eat though, its nowt to do with her, so next time I knew she was coming, I put a huge beef joint in about 2 hours before so it was in the middle of cooking when she got here :D

Oh that's ridiculous. Vegetarians need to get used to people eating meat around them. I never argue with people about it,it's just stupid. It's my principles,not their's. LOL at you putting the beef in :laugh:

[Vicky.]

LOL at you putting the beef in :laugh:

I had to :)

Hate being told what to do.

I mean, I respect her decisions...she should be the same with me.

[Tom]

I had to :)

Hate being told what to do.

I mean, I respect her decisions...she should be the same with me.

You should've left the beef on the side until she arrived, made sure she seen it all raw and put it in the oven in front of her :joker:

[Stu]

Vegetarianism I can understand but Vegans baffle me.

Chickens NEED to lay eggs, cows NEED to be milked etc

Oh and vegetarians that eat fish are laughable
They are pescetarians [or Lazy Vegetarians]. And to be honest, I can kind of see where they are getting there logic from. Chickens, pigs & cows posess some degree of cognitive qualities and charm whereas fish just muck about aimlessly in there thousands like blown up bits of bacteria.

And remember - not all of these guys give a **** about the ethics. Many pescetarians are only so for the health benefits [red meat containing high amounts of saturated fat whereas fish are a great source of omega 3 etc].

[Princess]

They are pescetarians [or Lazy Vegetarians]. And to be honest, I can kind of see where they are getting there logic from. Chickens, pigs & cows posess some degree of cognitive qualities and charm whereas fish just muck about aimlessly in there thousands like blown up bits of bacteria.

And remember - not all of these guys give a **** about the ethics. Many pescetarians are only so for the health benefits [red meat containing high amounts of saturated fat whereas fish are a great source of omega 3 etc].

LOL at lazy vegetarians! I don't mind people who eat fish who only veggies for health reasons,cos that's totally different. I hate people who think they're a vegetarian and then eats fish.

[Stu]

LOL at lazy vegetarians! I don't mind people who eat fish who only veggies for health reasons,cos that's totally different. I hate people who think they're a vegetarian and then eats fish.
Aye, they need proper termage. And veggies who see 'no biggie' with stuff like pepperoni on pizzas. Still meat, like.

[Princess]

Aye, they need proper termage. And veggies who see 'no biggie' with stuff like pepperoni on pizzas. Still meat, like.

I know someone who was a veggie who are fish,and her mum made her eat chicken and sometimes she had pork,wtf!!!! Twats they are. I havn't eaten meat in like 6 and a half years,no Haribo or anything. I have a veggie friend who won't sit on leather which is a bit extreme,lol!

[spitfire]

Yes meat is murder because animals should have rights,too.

[Stu]

Yes meat is murder because animals should have rights,too.
You make it sound so depressingly political. Some of us would just rather not see animals die. Most people would be upset at the sight of battery farms and processing plants. But that's forgotten with the way it just get's straight to the supermarket and into your hands. It's a cheap way of dodging responsibility. I don't want to eat anything I myself would not be capable of killing.

[InOne]

I'd like to be a veggie, but would not want to be one for the sake of it if you get me. I'd want to really believe in it.