50 Reasons why religion sucks!

[InOne]

Bored.

1) There are too many religions, how does a believer know he picked the right one?
2) Offers religious people the wrong understanding of the world they live in
3) Has caused many wars
4) Further separates and classifies people
5) Full of contradictions
6) No proof other than the inability to disprove
7) Does not agree with science
8) Disrespects the hard work of the scientific community
9) Religious claims have yet to have scientific backing
10) People do not need religion to have morals (ex: learn to respect others, not kill or steal)
11) Waste of time
12) Waste of money
13) Waste of space
14) Wasted of lives
15) All Temples would be better off being shelter for poor people
16) Religion unites people for the wrong reasons
17) Leaders often times use religion to bring their people to their sides
18) Most religions are outdated and lack any historical backing
19) No scientific or supernatural occurrences have been discovered yet
20) Religions change and evolve overtime depending on the general populations beliefs
21) Does not explain life before life
22) No way to know what comes after death
23) Easily accepted by naïve people
24) Religions do not respect each other
25) Religion does not make people more comfortable
26) Religions are corrupt in many levels
27) Though different in names, most major religions are all similar, somewhat proving that they really come from the same source
28) If god knows the future then there is no free will
29) Has caused hate crimes
30) Heavily religious countries have not shown to be “better” off
31) Discriminates against free thinkers
32) Discriminates against harmless people with different beliefs and sexual orientations
33) Can give probable cause for anyone to do anything “I slit her throat because god told me to”
34) Many animals have been killed due to religious sacrifices
35) Does not disprove atheism legitimately
36) Operates on scaring believers by using places like hell and eternal punishment to keep them in line
37) Many people have been killed due to religious sacrifices
38) Religions are taught in schools as fact
39) Many children are raised religious at a young age without a choice to reason and choose what they want to believe
40) Prayers have yet to have been proven to be effective
41) No “miracles” have been documented
42) Religion does not offer a valid explanation of the world around us
43) Religion confuses people
44) Some religions do not allow its believers to question their faith
45) Religion requires blind faith
46) Religion is not the cause for technological advancements, in fact, it only slows it down
47) Older religions have trouble accounting for new scientific discoveries that directly contracting the religion
48) God has yet to show up and give us an update on wtf is going on
49) Things such as guardian angels, reincarnation, resurrection have yet to have been proven or witnessed
50) Even the most religious people tend to mourn and fear death, despite the fact that heaven appears to be a very nice place – contradiction?

[Christina]

Ah well i'm still religious lol.

[King Gizzard]

Me too.

[InOne]

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[Enid]

I completely agree!

Science > religion

[InOne]

I completely agree!

Science > religion

:thumbs:

[Twilight]

Idiocy.

Are you saying someones a idiot just because they don't agree?

[Christina]

Idiocy.

We're all entitled to a beleif.

[Twilight]

We're all entitled to a beleif.

Removed

[Enid]

Are you saying someones a idiot just because they don't agree?
Nope. Not for disagreeing, but for believing in something that does not exist!

[CaraRawr]

Ah well i'm still religious lol.

this.

[InOne]

We're all entitled to a beleif.

If you believe in idiocy, that is fair enough...

[InOne]

Are you saying someones a idiot just because they don't agree?

If someone deludes themself in idiocy, are they not an idiot?

[Tom]

Nope. Not for disagreeing, but for believing in something that does not exist!

you mean like science once said the world was flat, and theories change all the time?

[Christina]

If you believe in idiocy, that is fair enough...

No Christianity actually..

[InOne]

No Christianity actually..

Would you care to explain the trinity dear...

[InOne]

you mean like science once said the world was flat, and theories change all the time?

Science does not claim to have the truth, it flourishes is ignorance, that is the brilliance of it...

[Enid]

Science didn't have the technology nor means to determine what shape the world was.

Look how far it's come though. We live by it and science proves no god or higher entity exists. I have yet to be given solid proof that it does in fact exist. Instead I get all this jargon about the bible and a banana.

Why are so many people blindly following religion without question?

[InOne]

this.

How religious?

[Princess]

I completely agree!

Science > religion

Argeed!

[Tom]

Science does not claim to have the truth, it flourishes is ignorance, that is the brilliance of it...

The definition of science is '[U] (knowledge from) the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical world, especially by watching, measuring and doing experiments, and the development of theories to describe the results of these activities'.

Science didn't have the technology nor means to determine what shape the world was.

Look how far it's come though. We live by it and science proves no god or higher entity exists. I have yet to be given solid proof that it does in fact exist. Instead I get all this jargon about the bible and a banana.

Why are so many people blindly following religion without question?

Science doesn't prove anything. If anything its events which defy science that either a) make a mockery of science or b) prove there could be something else.

You could ask that question about science, why are so many people blindly following it without question? It has been wrong in the past, it will almost certainly be wrong today or in the future.

I'm not arguing against it btw, just a counter balance argument against what you're saying. I keep an open mind.

[InOne]

The definition of science is '[U] (knowledge from) the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical world, especially by watching, measuring and doing experiments, and the development of theories to describe the results of these activities'.



Science doesn't prove anything. If anything its events which defy science that either a) make a mockery of science or b) prove there could be something else.

You could ask that question about science, why are so many people blindly following it without question? It has been wrong in the past, it will almost certainly be wrong today or in the future.

I'm not arguing against it btw, just a counter balance argument against what you're saying. I keep an open mind.

But we are not really even talking about Creation here, it's just Religion. People don't blindly follow Science really, come on. Do you not believe in Evolution?

[Ninastar]

I am like ross in friends. I cant understand how someone cant beleive that evelution didnt happen.

[InOne]

Also, Science is logical, theories are based on facts. Religion just claims truth without explaining anything.

[Princess]

I am like ross in friends. I cant understand how someone cant beleive that evelution didnt happen.

*is happening,lol. It's a constant thing happening.

Same though,like evolution has been proven,what has religion got,a couple of big books?

[Tom]

But we are not really even talking about Creation here, it's just Religion. People don't blindly follow Science really, come on. Do you not believe in Evolution?

I'm not talking about creation either. and I do think people blindly follow science, and probably I'm one of them. I believe in evolution but if I'm being completely honest I do think there is something else. Whether god or not I don't really care, but just some unexplainable things lead me to that. I think the bible is about as real as Harry Potter

[Braden]

51.it's boring (no offense)

[InOne]

I'm not talking about creation either. and I do think people blindly follow science, and probably I'm one of them. I believe in evolution but if I'm being completely honest I do think there is something else. Whether god or not I don't really care, but just some unexplainable things lead me to that. I think the bible is about as real as Harry Potter

Yeah, the bible is quite a good read, but should not be taken seriously.

[Ninastar]

*is happening,lol. It's a constant thing happening.

Same though,like evolution has been proven,what has religion got,a couple of big books?

Exactly
Its been proven that god doesnt exist aswell.

[Enid]

Evolution vs Creation.

"Creationism refers to the religious belief[1] that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe were created in some form by a supernatural being or beings, commonly a single deity."

"In biology, evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms from one generation to the next."

Now which seems more logical? To the religious, really? Do you really believe some god or deity created the earth? Don't kid yourself!

[InOne]

51.it's boring (no offense)

:joker:

[Shaun]

I find religion irrelevant. It's a pointless cause of arguments and debate, noone will ever know the answer [but the side most likely to find out is science ;)] and it just plays a very insignificant part in my life.

[InOne]

People have this absurd idea that religion actually deserves respect...

[Tom]

Exactly
Its been proven that god doesnt exist aswell.

It hasn't

Evolution vs Creation.

"Creationism refers to the religious belief[1] that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe were created in some form by a supernatural being or beings, commonly a single deity."

"In biology, evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms from one generation to the next."

Now which seems more logical? To the religious, really? Do you really believe some god or deity created the earth? Don't kid yourself!

I don't get that either, christians blab on about how its symbolic then change their argument to say a god must have had to 'help' the big bang because one minute change and it wouldn't have happened. And then the really religious try and say dinosaurs never existed and bones were planted by god to trick us. But after they've said how its all symbolic ... they'll take parts literally. Can't have it both ways :nono:

[Ninastar]

It hasn't



I don't get that either, christians blab on about how its symbolic then change their argument to say a god must have had to 'help' the big bang because one minute change and it wouldn't have happened. And then the really religious try and say dinosaurs never existed and bones were planted by god to trick us. But after they've said how its all symbolic ... they'll take parts literally. Can't have it both ways :nono:
Oh right. I am sure that i have seen it somewhere.

[InOne]

I know what you mean. Some Christians don't even believe in creation. :S

[Christina]

Fair enough.. yes we all have different arguments in this subject. Some beleive it some don't. But just a question.. if people don't beleive in religion why does everyone seem to celebrate xmas? Is that not one of the biggest events which Christians beleive in/made happen? Not saying you can't.. i just somtimes wonder why.

[Enid]

Do you think we all love xmas because it celebrates the birth of christ?

Naah. Presents!

[Shaun]

Christmas, for me, is a time to spend time with friends with family, exchange presents, gorge and watch good movies.

Couldn't give a **** about that Jesus bloke.

[InOne]

Fair enough.. yes we all have different arguments in this subject. Some beleive it some don't. But just a question.. if people don't beleive in religion why does every celebrate xmas? Is that not one of the biggest events which Christians beleive in? Not saying you can't.. i just somtimes wonder why.

Let's face it, Christmas is about kids and Santa these days, not the birth of Jesus. Plus Christmas is a mix of Paganism anyway.

[Tom]

Oh right. I am sure that i have seen it somewhere.

You can't prove a negative

I know what you mean. Some Christians don't even believe in creation. :S

to be fair it isn't just christians who don't believe in creation. It is possible the world has always been here, we just can't process that thought because we're used to everything having a start. The world works in mysterious ways ...

[Enid]

Fair enough.. yes we all have different arguments in this subject. Some beleive it some don't. But just a question.. if people don't beleive in religion why does everyone seem to celebrate xmas? Is that not one of the biggest events which Christians beleive in/made happen? Not saying you can't.. i just somtimes wonder why.
Okay, your argument is pretty weak though. Why are you religious? Why do you believe god exists? Have you really thought about it?

[Christina]

Do you think we all love xmas because it celebrates the birth of christ?

Naah. Presents!

Of course.

But still it was bascially made because of christianity. People have no trouble celebrating xmas.

[Tom]

Its hypocritical but I do it anyway, its just the secular culture

[InOne]

You can't prove a negative



to be fair it isn't just christians who don't believe in creation. It is possible the world has always been here, we just can't process that thought because we're used to everything having a start. The world works in mysterious ways ...

Yeah but the Bible is about Creation, if they can't believe everything in their own holy book, how can they even call themself a Christian at all?

[Christina]

Okay, your argument is pretty weak though. Why are you religious? Why do you believe god exists? Have you really thought about it?

I didn't say for a fact God exists. I said i BELEIVE God exists. I am entitled to a beleif no matter how 'idiotic' it may be.

[InOne]

I didn't say for a fact God exists. I said i BELEIVE God exists. I am entitled to a beleif no matter how 'idiotic' it may be.

What makes you believe though? Do you believe the Bible is literal?

[Enid]

Of course.

But still it was bascially made because of christianity. People have no trouble celebrating xmas.
That's because it's tradition. Jews do not celebrate xmas, btw.

[Ninastar]

Christmas, for me, is a time to spend time with friends with family, exchange presents, gorge and watch good movies.

Couldn't give a **** about that Jesus bloke.

Agreed! <3

[Enid]

I didn't say for a fact God exists. I said i BELEIVE God exists. I am entitled to a beleif no matter how 'idiotic' it may be.
But you must think he exists if you believe it to be truth? :conf:

[Christina]

What makes you believe though? Do you believe the Bible is literal?

I've been bought up in a religious family. I just find it hard to beleive some of the things scientists have said. Of course i've questioned my religion.. i think everyone does. And there's no point in explaining what makes me beleive because i think only people who do beleive will understand where i'm coming from. It gives me comfort in beleiving there is a God.. and i found it pretty rude that i get called an idiot because of what i choose to beleive in.

[Twilight]

FFS it called a different opinion people! If Christina believes in it let her shes hardly hurting anyone believing in it is she?

[Christina]

But you must think he exists if you believe it to be truth? :conf:

Yeah i do beleive. But i'm not saying i am right to beleive this. Not everyone is wrong/right.

[InOne]

I've been bought up in a religious family. I just find it hard to beleive some of the things scientists have said. Of course i've questioned my religion.. i think everyone does. And there's no point in explaining what makes me beleive because i think only people who do beleive will understand where i'm coming from. It gives me comfort in beleiving there is a God.. and i found it pretty rude that i get called an idiot because of what i choose to beleive in.

You find it hard to believe in some things the scientists have said? What about the things the bible says????????

[InOne]

FFS it called a different opinion people! If Christina believes in it let her shes hardly hurting anyone believing in it is she?

Shush.

[Christina]

FFS it called a different opinion people! If Christina believes in it let her shes hardly hurting anyone believing in it is she?Thanks lol. Everyone's allowed an opinion :)

[Enid]

FFS it called a different opinion people! If Christina believes in it let her shes hardly hurting anyone believing in it is she?
No ****. It's called DEBATE!

[Twilight]

Thanks lol. Everyone's allowed an opinion :)

Your welcome:)

[Christina]

You find it hard to believe in some things the scientists have said? What about the things the bible says???????? I did say i have questioned my religion aswell. Works both ways.

Anyways i'm not here to argue with you i'm stating an opinion in which i have. I'm allowed, you're allowed, everyone is allowed. :xyxwave:

[Enid]

So what things have you found hard to believe?

Tbh I find it hard to believe that god created the world in 7 days. I mean, even Superman couldn't do that and he's real!!

[Alf]

would you believe me if i told you i was the son of god?

if not why do you believe others that tell you they are?

[InOne]

I did say i have questioned my religion aswell. Works both ways.

Anyways i'm not here to argue with you i'm stating an opinion in which i have. I'm allowed, you're allowed, everyone is allowed. :xyxwave:

Only asking you questions. Sorry for making you think too hard.

[Twilight]

No ****. It's called DEBATE!

No it called you and inone teaming up on girl just because she believes in god kay..

[InOne]

No it called you and inone teaming up on girl just because she believes in god kay..

Twilight, go troll some other thread.

[Enid]

Not at all. She's the only one backing up her beliefs (which I credit her for). If there were other religious people here I'd be questioning them too. This is what debate is! Move along now...

[Tom]

But you must think he exists if you believe it to be truth? :conf:

You can't objectively say he exists/he doesn't exist. There is no proof either way, so its just down to a belief.

[Enid]

You can't objectively say he exists/he doesn't exist. There is no proof either way, so its just down to a belief.
But Christina said, she never said god existed but that she believed he existed. Surely if you believe something to be real, whether it is in fact true or not is irrelevant?

[Niamh.]

Great points Joe, I agree 100%

[InOne]

Great points Joe, I agree 100%

Ty Niamh, you know I only speak the truth! :D

[Tom]

But Christina said, she never said god existed but that she believed he existed. Surely if you believe something to be real, whether it is in fact true or not is irrelevant?

Because shes stating her opinion, she doesn't know god exists (shes said that in this thread, saying she has questioned it) but she believes he exists, just like you don't believe he exists, but you don't know that for fact. There is a difference. Its an opinion.

[Enid]

But I do not live my life based on a set of rules believing in something that may or may not exist.

[InOne]

I think Santa is more possible and more Charismatic. Yahweh and Allah. :yuk:

[Tom]

Enid you believe god doesn't exist and you believe science is right don't you? Plus you must believe in all your morals etc. Your entire thought process is based on belief.

[Twilight]

But I do not live my life based on a set of rules believing in something that may or may not exist.She never said she was living her life based on a set of rules.

[Alf]

Because shes stating her opinion, she doesn't know god exists (shes said that in this thread, saying she has questioned it) but she believes he exists, just like you don't believe he exists, but you don't know that for fact. There is a difference. Its an opinion.
thats like saying
i believe there's a half man half dog, you cant prove me wrong, you dont know for a fact

[Enid]

She never said she was living her life based on a set of rules.
I'm on about Christians that DO.

[InOne]

It's not hard to refute relgious logic. Who designed the designer? If their logic is that we were created then surely God must have been created too?

[InOne]

I'm on about Christians that DO.

No point really wasting your time with that one lol

[Alf]

It's not hard to refute relgious logic. Who designed the designer? If their logic is that we were created then surely God must have been created too?
he was by normal people in ancient times probably egyption

[Enid]

Enid you believe god doesn't exist and you believe science is right don't you? Plus you must believe in all your morals etc. Your entire thought process is based on belief.
But... Science does exist!

My morals don't boil down to faith. It's called Determinism.

[Tom]

thats like saying
i believe there's a half man half dog, you cant prove me wrong, you dont know for a fact

http://dogsarethecoolest.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/humandog.jpg

[Alf]

http://dogsarethecoolest.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/humandog.jpg
i knew i was right

[InOne]

he was by normal people in ancient times probably egyption

Yes, he was very convinient for them back in those days.

[Tom]

But... Science does exist!

My morals don't boil down to faith. It's called Determinism.

It doesn't make it right though. Religion also exists remember.

And if you're deterministic, does that mean you personally believe in fate to an extent?

[GypsyGoth]

What is determinism?

[Enid]

It doesn't make it right though. Religion also exists remember.

And if you're deterministic, does that mean you personally believe in fate to an extent?
Nah, not fate as such. But more so that none of our decisions are ultimately our choice. Whether that's down to genes or past experiences, etc.

[Tom]

What is determinism?

The belief that every event leads to another bigger event. Kind of like Final Destination (e.g. the woman puts the tea towel over the knives, then falls, needs the tea towel for something, the knives fall and then she dies)

Then 3 main arguments about it, whether we're fully controlled by someone/something else, if we have a set route but still make decisions or if we're completely free to do what we want. Its all about free will and such.

[GypsyGoth]

Thanks, it sounds interesting.

[Enid]

Another example. I turn on the TV and see some rice pudding, the next day I subconsciously buy some ingredients to make some rice pudding but accidentally burn it. Years later, I am in a restaurant and given a choice of desert. Rice pudding or treacle cake. I choose treacle cake because of my bad experience with rice pudding.

[bronaaaa]

Bored.

39) Many children are raised religious at a young age without a choice to reason and choose what they want to believe

My parents raised me as Christian and I've to go to church until I leave home. I hardly believe any of it tbh..

[InOne]

My parents raised me as Christian and I've to go to church until I leave home. I hardly believe any of it tbh..

Damn not good :S. Well at least you have your own mind and choose to actually think about your beliefs. :thumbs:

[Enid]

Forced to be something you're not....:bored:

[InOne]

Would not think that nowdays, even in N.Ireland!

[Niamh.]

I find religions interesting, crazy but interesting!

[InOne]

I find religions interesting, crazy but interesting!

Yeah I quite like watching the docs and stuff.

[bronaaaa]

Damn not good :S. Well at least you have your own mind and choose to actually think about your beliefs. :thumbs:
I know =S
To be honest, the more I learnt about it through school etc. the more far fetched and hard to believe it came. It's a catholic school and everything lol
Forced to be something you're not....:bored:

:/ Aww what

[Niamh.]

Yeah I quite like watching the docs and stuff.

to be honest I think people need to believe in something more or else, what's the point in living??? I wish there was something but it's highly unlikely

[InOne]

to be honest I think people need to believe in something more or else, what's the point in living??? I wish there was something but it's highly unlikely

I think people need to believe in something more as such. They should learn to live life to the full and realise how lucky they are to actually be here.

[InOne]

I know =S
To be honest, the more I learnt about it through school etc. the more far fetched and hard to believe it came. It's a catholic school and everything lol


:/ Aww what


Ahhh those damn catholic schools lol!!! Always good to be out the Catholic system.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I did thw whole Catholic school bit, what a load of ****!!

[Ninastar]

My parents raised me as Christian and I've to go to church until I leave home. I hardly believe any of it tbh..

Sorry if im being nosy, you dont have to answer but do your parents know you dont like it and what do they say?

[InOne]

Nuns are the cruelest women on the planet!!!! They are not all happy like in the movies lol

[Niamh.]

Nuns are the cruelest women on the planet!!!! They are not all happy like in the movies lol

lol, so true, I had nuns teaching me in primary school:devil:

[arista]

There Is No God.

[Niamh.]

There Is No God.

You're probably right

[Wildcat!]

The most narrow minded people in the world, are atheist. ANd they dont even realise it.

[InOne]

The most narrow minded people in the world, are atheist. ANd they dont even realise it.

Nah I think it's the other way round. Come back when you can form an argument. :xyxwave:

[Vicky.]

There Is No God.

My thoughts exactly.

[InOne]

My thoughts exactly.

Why was I warned Vicky?

[bronaaaa]

Sorry if im being nosy, you dont have to answer but do your parents know you dont like it and what do they say?

Lol your alright
Yep they do, they say as long as I live under their roof I'll be going to church and I can do whatever I want when I leave, but they got me baptised and its their duty to take me to mass every week etc.
I don't think they relise I actually don't believe in it a while lot though, they just think I don't like going because its boring :rolleyes:

[Enid]

The most narrow minded people in the world, are atheist. ANd they dont even realise it.
Mind elaborating on that one?

[Wildcat!]

Nope. Not for disagreeing, but for believing in something that does not exist!


That is the arrogant narrow minded view of the world, an atheist has.
An atheist by definition doesnt believe in god, because they cant see it. They dont have the ability to expand their minds into something they cant see. Faith is something a narrow minded individual cant possess.
A religious person, who really believes, has the ability to believe in the unknown, which makes them broadminded, and humble. the opposite. SO there are those 2 kinds of people in the world.:blush:

[InOne]

Believing in God should be classed as a delusion.

[Wildcat!]

Mind elaborating on that one?

Sorry I just diD! Nice of you to ask though.:hugesmile:

[InOne]

Sorry I just diD! Nice of you to ask though.:hugesmile:

You don't really make much sense though do you...

[Enid]

That is the arrogant narrow minded view of the world, an atheist has.
An atheist by definition doesnt believe in god, because they cant see it. They dont have the ability to expand their minds into something they cant see. Faith is something a narrow minded individual cant possess.
A religious person, who really believes, has the ability to believe in the unknown, which makes them broadminded, and humble. the opposite. SO there are those 2 kinds of people in the world.:blush:
ROFL. I'm arrogant because I require proof of existance? Well I'd rather be arrogant than ignorant I suppose.

[Wildcat!]

You don't really make much sense though do you...


Yeah errrm, sorry, but you should probably ignore my posts. I dont really communicate with baiters. Once you are able to not insult people, maybe then I will. Try elsewhere

But either way, I didnt expect you to make sense of it.
Bye bye now.

[InOne]

http://restrainedfreedom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/atheism_motivational_poster_29.jpg

[Wildcat!]

ROFL. I'm arrogant because I require proof of existance? Well I'd rather be arrogant than ignorant I suppose.

No its not really that which makes it arrogant. Its the fact that you are calling the religious person, ignorant, and stupid. That shows how narrow minded you are. And its a trait most atheist have. Imo, they arent able to reach the depth required to fathom that it could be true.

[InOne]

Theists have blind faith and Muslims and Christians believe anyone who does not follow their Religion is going to hell hmmmm great....

Theists are scared of people with a mind...

We are not all sheep...

[Enid]

You could say it's narrow-minded to blindly follow a religion because someone told you to, rather than question it and consider other life choices.

Is it ironic that religious extremists are the most hateful and arrogant people I've met?

[InOne]

Sometimes talking to Theists is like talking to a brick wall.

[Wildcat!]

You could say it's narrow-minded to blindly follow a religion because someone told you to, rather than question it and consider other life choices.

Is it ironic that religious extremists are the most hateful and arrogant people I've met?


The fact that you assume because someone told me to, is where you first go wrong. I know a lot o people who chose their religion. IN fact, it is safe to say that the person who was not born in a religion, and just picked it up, is the most enlightened. And even if you were born into it, all religions preach free will. You dont have to stay if you dont believe in it. If you read scriptures, you will know that most of them state that some people will never believe in god.

As for religious extremists, there are always individuals who use scriptures to their advantage. Doesnt me the whole religion is wrong.
ANd basically saying that anyone who believe in god is an idiot, you are proclaiming that the majority of the world are idiots. NOw thats quite a statement dont you think.

ANd for the arrogance bit, imo, thats untrue. MOst religious people, who truly believe in their faaith, are the most humble, non materialistic people in the world. ANd arrogance is the last thing a real religious person would be.

My point is, you can be atheist all you want, but I would be more sympathetic to you if you actually had an opne mind. BEcause, as it is, you dont. And if you think about it, you realise it.

[InOne]

The fact that you assume because someone told me to, is where you first go wrong. I know a lot o people who chose their religion. And even if you were born into it, all religions preach free will. You dont have to stay if you dont believe in it. If you read scriptures, you will know that most of them state that some people will never believe in god.

As for religious extremists, there are always individuals who use scriptures to their advantage. Doesnt me the whole religion is wrong.
ANd basically saying that anyone who believe in god is an idiot, you are proclaiming that the majority of the world are idiots. NOw thats quite a statement dont you think.

ANd for the arrogance bit, imo, thats untrue. MOst religious people, who truly believe in their faaith, are the most humble, non materialistic people in the world. ANd arrogance is the last thing a real religious person would be.

My point is, you can be atheist all you want, but I would be more sympathetic to you if you actually had an opne mind. BEcause, as it is, you dont. And if you think about it, you realise it.


Why would opening our minds lead to god?

[Tom]

Both atheists and religious people are closed minded. Its people who fall in the middle who are the only open minded ones.

[Enid]

The fact that you assume because someone told me to, is where you first go wrong. I know a lot o people who chose their religion. And even if you were born into it, all religions preach free will. You dont have to stay if you dont believe in it. If you read scriptures, you will know that most of them state that some people will never believe in god.

As for religious extremists, there are always individuals who use scriptures to their advantage. Doesnt me the whole religion is wrong.
ANd basically saying that anyone who believe in god is an idiot, you are proclaiming that the majority of the world are idiots. NOw thats quite a statement dont you think.

ANd for the arrogance bit, imo, thats untrue. MOst religious people, who truly believe in their faaith, are the most humble, non materialistic people in the world. ANd arrogance is the last thing a real religious person would be.

My point is, you can be atheist all you want, but I would be more sympathetic to you if you actually had an opne mind. BEcause, as it is, you dont. And if you think about it, you realise it.
Preaching free will? That's funny. Do you not have rules and guidelines to abide by? There is no free will in religion!

You are living your life by the book. Time to broaden your horizons.

Oh and I do believe the majority of the population are idiots, but that's not down to religion.

[Tom]

^ Theres no free will in life.

[Vicky.]

Why was I warned Vicky?

Repeatedly insulting people.

Did it not tell you in a PM?

[InOne]

Repeatedly insulting people.

Did it not tell you in a PM?

You put Idiocy. Which is a word, not an insult...

[Wildcat!]

Preaching free will? That's funny. Do you not have rules and guidelines to abide by? There is no free will in religion!

You are living your life by the book. Time to broaden your horizons.

Oh and I do believe the majority of the population are idiots, but that's not down to religion.


Well there you go then. But anyways, nice reading your views!

[Vicky.]

You put Idiocy. Which is a word, not an insult...

I dont quite understand that then.

It was your general attitude at the start of this thread.

Was just a warning to chill out a bit. You got no penalty points or anything.

[InOne]

I dont quite understand that then.

It was your general attitude at the start of this thread.

Was just a warning to chill out a bit. You got no penalty points or anything.

Hmmm ok then.

[Enid]

^ Theres no free will in life.
Sure, but Gordon Brown is fact.

God is fiction!

[InOne]

God is about as real as Mr.Blobby

[Enid]

God is about as real as Mr.Blobby
At least Mr.Blobby is on TV. God has never made any appearances!

[bettiepage]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/group.php?groupid=18

[InOne]

At least Mr.Blobby is on TV. God has never made any appearances!

Yeah, God has been a no show quite a few times lol

[InOne]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/group.php?groupid=18

I highly highly doubt that is serious lol

[InOne]

Let people believe what they want to believe without calling them 'idiots'. Its their choice. thanks

As I said before, if you believe in idiocy you are an...

[Enid]

As I said before, if you believe in idiocy you are an...
Shhh!

[InOne]

Shhh!

:D lol can't help it sometimes. But I didn't actually say it!

[Vicky.]

:D lol can't help it sometimes. But I didn't actually say it!

Try and help it...

[InOne]

Try and help it...

Ok Vicky, I think that Hexxagon championship has gone to your head!!! ;)

[Tom]

Sure, but Gordon Brown is fact.

God is fiction!

Yep because Gordon Brown made most laws didn't he? Oh wait no, the bible gave us the vast majority.

[Vicky.]

Ok Vicky, I think that Hexxagon championship has gone to your head!!! ;)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[InOne]

Yep because Gordon Brown made most laws didn't he? Oh wait no, the bible gave us the vast majority.

Have you read The God Delusion? Dawkins gives a good argument that we don't get our morals from scripture.

[InOne]

Bored and found this little gem. Such idiocy :bored:

[Shasown]

Theists have blind faith and Muslims and Christians believe anyone who does not follow their Religion is going to hell hmmmm great....
Theists are scared of people with a mind...

We are not all sheep...

Thats not even near the truth, before you start ripping into something its best to educate yourself to the subject matter you wish to rip apart. Can save a lot of embaressment.

[InOne]

Thats not even near the truth, before you start ripping into something its best to educate yourself to the subject matter you wish to rip apart. Can save a lot of embaressment.

That is true...

[Shasown]

That is true...

That is quite an open statement, to what are you referring?

[InOne]

That is quite an open statement, to what are you referring?

Well, I think it depends on what sect of Christianity really. There is so many it is hard to keep up.

[Shasown]

Well, I think it depends on what sect of Christianity really. There is so many it is hard to keep up.

Most factions of the Christian Faith do not believe in non believers being sent straight to 'hell', nor does most schools of Islam.

In the Christian faith believing in Jesus and living your life according to his teaching will get you into heaven, not knowing of him and living a good life will also get you into heaven.

In Islam there is heaven and hell (Jannah which has 8 levels and Jahannam has 5), both have different levels, after death and before the Judgement Day the person will stay at a level suitable for their beliefs and the way they live their lives. After Judgement you go to heaven or hell.

If you think about it, both religions have a fair, just and loving God as their head, sending people to hell for not having had the opportunity to learn about Jesus/Allah isnt exactly fair or just is it?. Though some preachers/mullahs etc would have people believe otherwise. Thats mainly to get people into their particular belief system.

[InOne]

Most factions of the Christian Faith do not believe in non believers being sent straight to 'hell', nor does most schools of Islam.

In the Christian faith believing in Jesus and living your life according to his teaching will get you into heaven, not knowing of him and living a good life will also get you into heaven.

In Islam there is heaven and hell (Jannah which has 8 levels and Jahannam has 5), both have different levels, after death and before the Judgement Day the person will stay at a level suitable for their beliefs and the way they live their lives. After Judgement you go to heaven or hell.

If you think about it, both religions have a fair, just and loving God as their head, sending people to hell for not having had the opportunity to learn about Jesus/Allah isnt exactly fair or just is it?. Though some preachers/mullahs etc would have people believe otherwise. Thats mainly to get people into their particular belief system.


All that is well and good in text. But it's not how the Priests and Imams preach it is it. Come on...

[Shasown]

All that is well and good in text. But it's not how the Priests and Imams preach it is it. Come on...

Thats priests and mullahs isnt it? Perhaps they will be the ones going to hell because of their hell and damnation preaching. There might be a few surprises at the End of Days.

Simply going to church/the mosque, and praying doesnt guarentee anyone entry into heaven. In both religions its how 'God' views how people have lived their lives.

[InOne]

What are we even on a about? God, hell and heaven don't exist. They all prech shyte which a lot of people seem to eat up. If people are good people because they are religious fair enough. But I don't need a religion or a God to be a good person.

[Shasown]

What are we even on a about? God, hell and heaven don't exist. They all prech shyte which a lot of people seem to eat up. If people are good people because they are religious fair enough. But I don't need a religion or a God to be a good person.

A valid point but insulting people by saying someone is being idiotic by believing in God isnt exactly winning the religious over is it? If they want to hedge their bets and ensure a ride on the "Glory train to heaven" thats up to them really.

[InOne]

A valid point but insulting people by saying someone is being idiotic by believing in God isnt exactly winning the religious over is it? If they want to hedge their bets and ensure a ride on the "Glory train to heaven" thats up to them really.

Yep, but aggressive atheism is quite new. They have had that attitude for years.