Christian hotel owners hauled court defending beliefs discussion Muslim guest

[InOne]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214666/Christian-hotel-owners-hauled-court-defending-beliefs-discussion-Muslim-guest.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

£92 for a night?

that is shocking

[InOne]

£92 for a night?

that is shocking

These are bad times lol

[atieah2009]

Lol don't understand it.

[InOne]

Lol don't understand it.

Understand what?

[Alf]

Lol don't understand it.
it means we're not alowed to speak our minds in our own homes anymore.

[InOne]

Rubbish really. I'm glad that Muslim woman was offended.

[arista]

"A Christian couple have been charged with a criminal offence after taking part in what they regarded as a reasonable discussion about religion with guests at their hotel.
Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang were arrested after a Muslim woman complained to police that she had been offended by their comments.
They have been charged under public order laws with using ‘threatening, abusive or insulting words’ that were ‘religiously aggravated’. "

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/19/article-1214666-067CB2E9000005DC-14_468x557.jpg


Yes Stupid Owners of that Hotel.


And There is No God
anyway.

[Vicky.]

it means we're not alowed to speak our minds in our own homes anymore.

We are not allowed to do that anywhere.

Everything insults someone.

People these days need wrapped in cotton wool...seriously. Either that, or to have their ears cut off.

[InOne]

It's crazy, especially for talking about Religion.

[Vicky.]

It's crazy, especially for talking about Religion.

Religion is all BS anyways really.

Nice stories, but thats it.

And causes nothing but trouble.

[arista]

This was not in a Home
it was a Freakin' Public Hotel.

[InOne]

Religion is all BS anyways really.

Nice stories, but thats it.

And causes nothing but trouble.

Not really nice stories tbh lol Mass slayings and all that.

[Vicky.]

Not really nice stories tbh lol Mass slayings and all that.

I meant more like the bible...fairy stories. Turning water into wine and all that crap...

Never read/heard any other religious books...or whatever you call them.

[InOne]

I meant more like the bible...fairy stories. Turning water into wine and all that crap...

Never read/heard any other religious books...or whatever you call them.

Yeah I know what you mean. Religion should be at the same level as Santa and the Easter Bunny. These are bad times!

[Alf]

This was not in a Home
it was a Freakin' Public Hotel.
bed and breakfast, which i'd assume is also they're home

[Alf]

Not really nice stories tbh lol Mass slayings and all that.
not to mention the incest

[InOne]

Yep, I hope they win the court battle.

[Vicky.]

Yep, I hope they win the court battle.

I doubt it somehow, the judge will be too afraid of upsetting the muslim woman...

[InOne]

I doubt it somehow, the judge will be too afraid of upsetting the muslim woman...

Or too afraid that there will be an angry uprise from the peaceful Muslims. The Woman must have been so "hurt" and "offended".

[arista]

bed and breakfast, which i'd assume is also they're home

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/19/article-1214666-067CB441000005DC-732_468x305.jpg


Check the Link
It is a Pro Money Making Hotel.

[Alf]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/19/article-1214666-067CB441000005DC-732_468x305.jpg


Check the Link
It is a Pro Money Making Hotel.
i knew i should of put me readers on

[Tom]

So basically they were arguing over whos imaginary friend is the best? Oh dear.

[InOne]

So basically they were arguing over whos imaginary friend is the best? Oh dear.

Yup. Next they will have a Fatwah on them. Would not be suprised actually.

[Vicky.]

So basically they were arguing over whos imaginary friend is the best? Oh dear.

:laugh:

What a perfect way of putting it :D

[InOne]

It's funny. So many deluded people out there.

[atieah2009]

Since when has the Muslim person won a court battle seriously, and she is a idiot for going to court i would not give two *****. But its there fault if they knew she would slag them and be a money seeking ***** they should of just chucked her out or something end of.

[Vicky.]

Since when has the Muslim person won a court battle seriously, and she is a idiot for going to court i would not give two *****. But its there fault if they knew she would slag them and be a money seeking ***** they should of just chucked her out or something end of.

I dont know...I dont really keep up to date with court cases and such. I just assumed that in the overly-PC times we live in today, that the judge would be afraid to upset her in any way, for fear of being called racist.

[InOne]

Since when has the Muslim person won a court battle seriously, and she is a idiot for going to court i would not give two *****. But its there fault if they knew she would slag them and be a money seeking ***** they should of just chucked her out or something end of.

It is crazy really. These kind of stories keep popping up, it is not good.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Another Daily Mail biased story we're not given the full facts for! So we're all going to believe they were just having a religious discussion with no malicious intent are we?...yeh cos the Crown Prosecution take on waste of time cases all the time dont they?.I know some here will be all too willing to believe them though, especially when the victim happens to be muslim!...Yes more fuel for the fire eh?

[NettoSuperstar!]

It is crazy really. These kind of stories keep popping up, it is not good.

Yes and your all to willing to let us all know about them!

[InOne]

Yes and your all to willing to let us all know about them!

You know it! ;)

[NettoSuperstar!]

Proud to be a racist now! JeeZ

[InOne]

Proud to be a racist now! JeeZ

Islam is not a race.

[Tom4784]

It's the Daily Mail so we obviously don't know all the facts, like Netto said they wouldn't be at the crown court if that was all that happened.

[InOne]

Still one of the thing people still like to sweep under the rug.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Still one of those things people like to use to add fuel to the fire

[InOne]

Still one of those things people like to use to add fuel to the fire

Still one of those people who call people a racist without knowing what it means.

[NettoSuperstar!]

You've shown your biased prejudice enough times...

[InOne]

You've shown your biased prejudice enough times...

You have never told me how i'm racist. Get over yourself woman.

[NettoSuperstar!]

My god I've spent the last few days telling you hahahaha

[Prole]

So basically they were arguing over whos imaginary friend is the best? Oh dear.


LOL... excellent.

[InOne]

My god I've spent the last few days telling you hahahaha

Well you are wrong lol :D

[NettoSuperstar!]

Well you are wrong lol :D

How very dare you? I am never wrong!

[InOne]

How very dare you? I am never wrong!

You are a fiesty one, i'll give you that! lol

[ange7]

It's crazy, especially for talking about Religion.
"‘threatening, abusive or insulting words’

is crazy?
InOne thinks we ought to be able to threaten abuse and insult.
oh...but all you see is the religious angle and NOT the fact that people have a right to to be yelled and screamed out by a nutter racist. oh another example of "PC gone mad" hey InOne? lol. you BNP membership card just got upgraded to master troll.

[Vicky.]

InOne thinks we ought to be able to threaten abuse and insult.

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Actually, we are.

I was recieving threats from an exboyfriend and getting loads of trouble, and basically I was told nothing could be done about it. Why is this any different? How come this one case is classed as 'bad' enough for something to be done?


An arguement over religion, or death threats...which would you say is worse?

[NettoSuperstar!]

...and another thing I noticed, this "religious discussion" happened at breakfast...hmmm yes Im sure the poor woman wanted to discuss offensive remarks about her religion over her cornflakes! Also with a room full of other guests present...Im guessing those guests will be witnesses at the court case and the reason it got to court in the first place is because others can corroborate her story!!

[NettoSuperstar!]

InOne thinks we ought to be able to threaten abuse and insult.

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Actually, we are.

I was recieving threats from an exboyfriend and getting loads of trouble, and basically I was told nothing could be done about it. Why is this any different? How come this one case is classed as 'bad' enough for something to be done?


An arguement over religion, or death threats...which would you say is worse?

Sorry to hear about that, you must have got a **** officer, the police do take these things seriously generally. I support a woman who was having threatening phone calls recently from an ex and they went and warned him not to contact her again or they would prosecute. So dont let it put you off reporting it again and dont get fobbed off, they have a duty to act on what you say.

[BB_Eye]

I've had the police turn me away before when I reported a death threat, which I can only assume violates the Public Order Act... and this is the kind of rubbish they're wasting their time with?

[bananarama]

THe muslim complainer should be prosecuted for wasting police time and the destruction of fee speech.......The police should have themselves sectioned for the criminally insane for bothering with a law written by imbeciles.


What a pathetic mamby pamby country this has become.....

[WOMBAI]

Personally - I am sick to death of the over-sensitivities of some Muslim people. I think some of them just use it as an excuse to attack British culture and cause trouble.

The Muslim religion is not known for its tolerance of other cultures and their beliefs - but they expect other cultures to comply with their beliefs - even when they are on that person's territory - so to speak.

I just feel that some Muslims are very self-obsessed and try and control what others do and think. Muslims can preach hate against us on our streets in our own country - can you imagine what would happen to us - if we went to their country and did the same.

I think this country has become too tolerant of this type of thing - and more should be done to protect our own culture and beliefs in our own country.

On the whole - I believe in live and let live - but there are limits when people take advantage and abuse the system.

[InOne]

Personally - I am sick to death of the over-sensitivities of some Muslim people. I think some of them just use it as an excuse to attack British culture and cause trouble.

The Muslim religion is not known for its tolerance of other cultures and their beliefs - but they expect other cultures to comply with their beliefs - even when they are on that person's territory - so to speak.

I just feel that some Muslims are very self-obsessed and try and control what others do and think. Muslims can preach hate against us on our streets in our own country - can you imagine what would happen to us - if we went to their country and did the same.

I think this country has become too tolerant of this type of thing - and more should be done to protect our own culture and beliefs in our own country.

On the whole - I believe in live and let live - but there are limits when people take advantage and abuse the system.


This

[arista]

THe muslim complainer should be prosecuted for wasting police time and the destruction of fee speech.......The police should have themselves sectioned for the criminally insane for bothering with a law written by imbeciles.


What a pathetic mamby pamby country this has become.....


It is not The Nation
it is Some within it.

[InOne]

It is not The Nation
it is Some within it.

Imagine if stories like that made the news abroad, people would just laugh at the UK.

[arista]

Imagine if stories like that made the news abroad, people would just laugh at the UK.


They do make it Abroad
on Fox News USA.
Sky Ch. 509


But America has even worse storys.

[InOne]

They do make it Abroad
on Fox News USA.
Sky Ch. 509


But America has even worse storys.

Yes I know America does, just wish we didn't.