Can you prove you exist?

[InOne]

In your mind you might be able to. But really, bet you can't.

[Niamh.]

There's no such thing as Niamh:conf:

[Tom4784]

I breathe air and I got a pulse and five working senses, I exist for I'd not have any of these otherwise.

[Wildcat!]

The fact that you ask that question, proves that you exist.

[setanta]

I doubt, therefore I am.

[InOne]

The fact that you ask that question, proves that you exist.

It really does not. How do you know I even asked it in the first place? Might be all in your mind...

[Stu]

Of course we exist, but on what level is the question. This life could be a mental projection we are sending ourselves from another plane.

[InOne]

I doubt, therefore I am.

The quote is, I think, therefore I am. :)

[LemonJam]

I've thought about this a couple of times, it's an interesting theory.

[Scarlett.]

We dont know anything, we cant prove we really 'exist' (how we comprehend it anyway)

[Stu]

I think
Please don't. It hurts too much.

[Niamh.]

lol, these types of discussion are completely endless and unresolvable lol

[Niamh.]

Of course we exist, but on what level is the question. This life could be a mental projection we are sending ourselves from another plane.


or maybe this is the Matrix! Could be though

[Wildcat!]

It really does not. How do you know I even asked it in the first place? Might be all in your mind...


LEt me give you a quote from Descates, I have studied his relativity theory, and its pretty convincing. YOu have to read it very carefully, I remember, it took me a while to even undertand what he was talking about:


"But I have convinced myself that there is absolutely nothing in the world, no sky, no earth, no minds, no bodies. Does it now follow that I too do not exist? No. If I convinced myself of something [or thought anything at all] then I certainly existed. But there is a deceiver of supreme power and cunning who is deliberately and constantly deceiving me. In that case I too undoubtedly exist, if he is deceiving me; and let him deceive me as much as he can, he will never bring it about that I am nothing so long as I think that I am something. So, after considering everything very thoroughly, I must finally conclude that the proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind. "

[Patrick]

I belive Im the only important person in this world,

I belive when I die your all ****ed,

I belive this is my TV Show and your`ll all Co Stars/Extras

[InOne]

Well you might think you are typing in this thread, but you might be part of someones dream.

[Vicky.]

Ah dont do this to me...

I sit thinking stuff like that all the time...

How am I thinking this, how does my brain work, am I real, how come my brain knows I am thinking this, are we just part of a big dream etc...it goes in circles over and over for hours, and then i feel like i am going to pass out...

[Jessica.]

But soft what light through yonder window breaks it is the east and Juliet is the sun, arise fair sun and kill the envious moon. :bigsmile: :crazy:

[Patrick]

Woo this thread is buzzin! :P

[Wildcat!]

The quote is, I think, therefore I am. :)

Actually, the basis of that theory, is the doubt.

[Scarlett.]

I love this theory

The Matrix was what put it in my head (then The Truman Show)

[InOne]

You all don't exist, you just think you do. ;)

[Ninastar]

Ah dont do this to me...

I sit thinking stuff like that all the time...

How am I thinking this, how does my brain work, am I real, how come my brain knows I am thinking this, are we just part of a big dream etc...it goes in circles over and over for hours, and then i feel like i am going to pass out...

I always do this. it scares me. it gives me this wierd feeling in my body, its kinda warm but not right. lol that makes no sence.

[setanta]

I never said it was a direct quote dufass.... no need to be like that. I studied Descartes at college and it was his doubt that gave birth to the famous quote.

[Jessica.]

In your mind you might be able to. But really, bet you can't.

Deep!

[Vicky.]

I love this theory

The Matrix was what put it in my head (then The Truman Show)

Yes, the matrix ******** my head up big style. And to be honest, it could be real :shocked:

Not quite in the sense that we can travel to earth and do all sorts of mad backflip and that, but the idea behind it could well be. And if it isnt, then it may be some day, with all this AI shite that is going on.

[Stu]

or maybe this is the Matrix! Could be though
Not the exact Matrix, but the trilogy is fantastic and raises all those sort of questions, yes.

One thing that IS fake however, and most people don't realise this, is your ego. It's just been built up over time and can be altered or removed at will. This is also where 'bad trips' come from, i.e. people who freak out on psychedelics because they come to the sudden realisation of just how subjective and temporary there current lifestyle is. Ego death was long sought after in ancient times because by removing everything you know and all your distractions you could dig right down into your inner subconscious.

[Stu]

I belive Im the only important person in this world,

I belive when I die your all ****ed,

I belive this is my TV Show and your`ll all Co Stars/Extras
I believe you are a tool.

[InOne]

I never said it was a direct quote dufass.... no need to be like that. I studied Descartes at college and it was his doubt that gave birth to the famous quote.

Sorry, you just seem to be getting more short with me these days.

[Patrick]

You all don't exist, you just think you do. ;)

There for, theres no god? No After life?
Which means, theres no world..

Which means were all screwed when we die!

Unless there is a world, but not this world!

Another world and some Legend on that world is dreaming of all us,

Which means.... Oh yeah were still all screwed when this guy wakes up from his dream

[Ninastar]

I always thing there is something on earth that can change somethine for ever, but no one has figured it out yet, and its possible no one ever will. And i always think about how it would take us 1,000,000 years to travel to another galaxy/world but I wonder if they are like 1,000,000 years ahead of us? If that makes sence

[Scarlett.]

Yes, the matrix ******** my head up big style. And to be honest, it could be real :shocked:

Not quite in the sense that we can travel to earth and do all sorts of mad backflip and that, but the idea behind it could well be. And if it isnt, then it may be some day, with all this AI shite that is going on.
Indeed, the sequels ruined it for me to an extent (still loved them though) its a very valid theory IMO

[InOne]

Well you have not proved you exist yet, just given me a load of useless quotes and opinions!!!!

[Stu]

You all don't exist, you just think you do.
Then who is thinking it?

[Scarlett.]

Then who is thinking it?
Well thats easy...US :hugesmile: everyone would be one person

[InOne]

Then who is thinking it?

Who knows? You don't.

[Niamh.]

Not the exact Matrix, but the trilogy is fantastic and raises all those sort of questions, yes.

One thing that IS fake however, and most people don't realise this, is your ego. It's just been built up over time and can be altered or removed at will. This is also where 'bad trips' come from, i.e. people who freak out on psychedelics because they come to the sudden realisation of just how subjective and temporary there current lifestyle is. Ego death was long sought after in ancient times because by removing everything you know and all your distractions you could dig right down into your inner subconscious.

I definately think there is a hell of alot more to our minds than we know about or how to use. Not sure about exact percentages but there's quite a large percentage of brains that we don't use, it has to be there for something, but what?

[Jessica.]

I used to think I was a computer game sometimes :crazy:

[InOne]

Woooooohoooooooooooo

[Vicky.]

I seriously do believe we will be at war with robots in like a million years or something, that is given that we arent all wiped out by the 'aliens' that are searching the universe for us,m the same as we are doing for them.

I mean seriously, people are obsessed with the idea of aliens, but there is bound to be something else out there, that is likely to be as obsessed with finding us, as we are with finding them, which will happen first?

[Stu]

There is a plant called Salvia Divinorum that Shamans used in ancient cultures which when smoked at a sufficient dosage, would provide psychedelic trips to such an extent in a ten minuet period that users would literally live the full, complete life of an entirely different person in an entirely different space and time. All within the confines of there mind.

Also, DMT. Over to Rogan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8

[Niamh.]

Woooooohoooooooooooo

Great conversation starter Joe:dance:

[Scarlett.]

I seriously do believe we will be at war with robots in like a million years or something, that is given that we arent all wiped out by the 'aliens' that are searching the universe for us,m the same as we are doing for them.

I mean seriously, people are obsessed with the idea of aliens, but there is bound to be something else out there, that is likely to be as obsessed with finding us, as we are with finding them, which will happen first?Well, with a McFly song apparently sent out into space...I think they might avoid us now (Sorry Nicky! :shocked:)

[Wildcat!]

I never said it was a direct quote dufass.... no need to be like that. I studied Descartes at college and it was his doubt that gave birth to the famous quote.


Exactly. HIs theory was based on doubting everything. JUst like the OP here. HE is saying that in his dreams, he has similar experiences, as when he is awake. WHich make him conclude that he cant really say for sure, if he is awake or asleep. So he doubts that anything is real. SO after thinking to himself that its possible that nothing really exists, the only think thats for sure, is the doubt in his thoughts. And those doubts and thoughts, are the only think that proves, that he really exists: Which make him conclude: I think therefore, I am.

Descartes also uses that theory to prove the existence of god. Another story.:blush:

[InOne]

Great conversation starter Joe:dance:

I plant the seed, they run away with it!

[Stu]

I seriously do believe we will be at war with robots in like a million years or something, that is given that we arent all wiped out by the 'aliens' that are searching the universe for us,m the same as we are doing for them.

I mean seriously, people are obsessed with the idea of aliens, but there is bound to be something else out there, that is likely to be as obsessed with finding us, as we are with finding them, which will happen first?
Maybe it was aliens who created us. A superrace now deceased or living in another universe who created us, left us here and let it all play out.

There is definitely something out there in the universe. It bugs me when people use science to say ''nothing can survive without water lolz''.

THAT'S THE POINT. ALIEN. NOT. LIKE. US.

Water could kill the bloody things!

[Nicky.]

I breathe air and I got a pulse and five working senses, I exist for I'd not have any of these otherwise.

What happens if you're deaf/blind etc, do you no exist if you only have 4 senses? tehehe >.<

[Vicky.]

Indeed, when you are alseep, and dreaming, you think you are awake, you get the same feelings etc. I still feel pain in my dreams, though apparently thats not possible...but yeah, when you are dreaming, you never think to yourself, I might be dreaming, you just accept that whatever is happening...is happening, if that makes sense.

This could well be a dream.

We might not even be alive yet. Maybe there is something we need to do to wake up, and this earth is just our imagination...there is something better out there.

[Stu]

What happens if you're deaf/blind etc, do you no exist if you only have 4 senses? tehehe >.<
Raises another interesting point. Many blind/deaf/both people have incredibly heightened inner sense of mind, due to being able to block off by default sensory distractions from the outside world.

Hence why people use sensory deprivation tanks when exploring such topics as this...

[Patrick]

I assume you all know of 2012, Being the end of the Mayan Calender, and people Assuming its the end of the world.

Im one of the few that belive its not the End of the world,BUT Somthing will happen that day that will change our world forever,

Like VickyJ Pointed out, there might be another type of people such as Aliens, searching for us!

They might have their own little world somewere, with their own Technology and their own version of Big Brother ..which I Would love to see..

But anyway, Maybe on 21st December 2012..These people may find us, or we may find them!

Somthing could happen on that day Good or Bad, that can change our world forever,
The end of the Mayan Calender, meaning the end of the way we think our world is today..
But infact it could just be the begining,

Like it says on the 2012 Trailer..

The End..Is just the begining

[Nicky.]

Well, with a McFly song apparently sent out into space...I think they might avoid us now (Sorry Nicky! :shocked:)

HAI! SHUT UP U!!!!!!!!1111111 :P

Nothing wrong with McFly! Tom started it all, he said he thought it would awesome for it to be played in space, sooo, we did it for him! They're all very happy about it! I don't think you will ever say a song you wrote got played out in space, will you? Nope! Xx

(ilychew)

[InOne]

HAI! SHUT UP U!!!!!!!!1111111 :P

Nothing wrong with McFly! Tom started it all, he said he thought it would awesome for it to be played in space, sooo, we did it for him! They're all very happy about it! I don't think you will ever say a song you wrote got played out in space, will you? Nope! Xx

(ilychew)


But do Mcfly really exist, or did you create them in your head. Hmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!

[Scarlett.]

HAI! SHUT UP U!!!!!!!!1111111 :P

Nothing wrong with McFly! Tom started it all, he said he thought it would awesome for it to be played in space, sooo, we did it for him! They're all very happy about it! I don't think you will ever say a song you wrote got played out in space, will you? Nope! Xx

(ilychew)
Tehehehehe :3

[Vicky.]

They might have their own little world somewere, with their own Technology and their own version of Big Brother ..which I Would love to see..
[/I]

We could BE their big brother. And that date is when the show ends. :hugesmile:

[Stu]

Indeed, when you are alseep, and dreaming, you think you are awake, you get the same feelings etc. I still feel pain in my dreams, though apparently thats not possible...but yeah, when you are dreaming, you never think to yourself, I might be dreaming, you just accept that whatever is happening...is happening, if that makes sense.

This could well be a dream.
Look up Astral Projection. You don't have to believe in Astrology or any of that nonsense but the practice itself is entirely real, but incredibly hard to pull off.

Essentially, you try and 'catch' yourself when you fall asleep, so only your body sleeps but your mind stays awake. Think the opposite of sleepwalking. In this state, you can fully, and knowingly, float about the place but most people cant will themselves past the first stage due to fear.

A common tactic is to repeat the phrase ''this is a dream'' before you sleep so that when you DO fall asleep, that is the first thing you think. Best tried when trying to get back to sleep in the morning, as opposed to sleeping for the first time at night.

If it all goes well, you will still be lying there awake, but your body will be buzzing all over [the sensation of your body sleeping, which you normally never realise as your mind sleeps too] and you can 'lift yourself' up and look down on yourself sleeping!

[Nicky.]

But do Mcfly really exist, or did you create them in your head. Hmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!

They exist :3 pwomise.

---

and dontchoo tehehehehehe me smelly bum.

[Vicky.]

I have never even heard of Astral Projection until now. Sounds very very interesting...

[InOne]

They exist :3 pwomise.

---

and dontchoo tehehehehehe me smelly bum.

So you say. But you don't really know!

[Patrick]

We could BE their big brother. And that date is when the show ends. :hugesmile:

:joker: :joker:


I accually remember watching An Episode of South Park even though they talk crap in it, they made the same point you did..

Where the Aliens have a Massive Planet and they own their own TV Channel,
They watch A Show called 'Earth' and then decide to Axe it because its getting out of hand with Wars and stuff,
Meaning the end of the world lol

[Scarlett.]

I have never even heard of Astral Projection until now. Sounds very very interesting...
indeed, I'd like to try it one time :joker:

[Niamh.]

We could BE their big brother. And that date is when the show ends. :hugesmile:


aaahhhhhhh, creepy.............................

[Stu]

I have never even heard of Astral Projection until now. Sounds very very interesting...
There is a lighter version a lot of people experience once in there lifetime called lucid dreaming, achieved through similar means. It's basically when you know you are in a dream and you can thus control it.

I find it amazing that when we sleep, we basically live this second life most people ignore.

I hope everyone here knows you actually dream EVERY night? It's only the dreams you REMEMBER that you count?

There is another world going on inside your head for a very, very large percentage of your life!

[Patrick]

Look up Astral Projection. You don't have to believe in Astrology or any of that nonsense but the practice itself is entirely real, but incredibly hard to pull off.

Essentially, you try and 'catch' yourself when you fall asleep, so only your body sleeps but your mind stays awake. Think the opposite of sleepwalking. In this state, you can fully, and knowingly, float about the place but most people cant will themselves past the first stage due to fear.

A common tactic is to repeat the phrase ''this is a dream'' before you sleep so that when you DO fall asleep, that is the first thing you think. Best tried when trying to get back to sleep in the morning, as opposed to sleeping for the first time at night.

If it all goes well, you will still be lying there awake, but your body will be buzzing all over [the sensation of your body sleeping, which you normally never realise as your mind sleeps too] and you can 'lift yourself' up and look down on yourself sleeping!

That sounds scary,

Like in Ghost Whisperer!
Omg, I keep comparing all you guys Ideas to TV Shows..

Anyway though,


Yeah I would love to try that, Im sure anyone would but it`d be to risky, I mean what if you did that and thought it was brilliant and then couldnt get back into your body..If your looking down on it,


Its almost like dieing in your sleep and looking down at your Body from a Ghost View...

[setanta]

There is a lighter version a lot of people experience once in there lifetime called lucid dreaming, achieved through similar means. It's basically when you know you are in a dream and you can thus control it.

I find it amazing that when we sleep, we basically live this second life most people ignore.

I hope everyone here knows you actually dream EVERY night? It's only the dreams you REMEMBER that you count?

There is another world going on inside your head for a very, very large percentage of your life!

Ever heard of Halotropic Breathwork Probe? Think that's how you spell it.

[Niamh.]

There is a plant called Salvia Divinorum that Shamans used in ancient cultures which when smoked at a sufficient dosage, would provide psychedelic trips to such an extent in a ten minuet period that users would literally live the full, complete life of an entirely different person in an entirely different space and time. All within the confines of there mind.

Also, DMT. Over to Rogan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8


that was really interesting!! some good points there

[Vicky.]

There is a lighter version a lot of people experience once in there lifetime called lucid dreaming, achieved through similar means. It's basically when you know you are in a dream and you can thus control it.

I find it amazing that when we sleep, we basically live this second life most people ignore.

I hope everyone here knows you actually dream EVERY night? It's only the dreams you REMEMBER that you count?

There is another world going on inside your head for a very, very large percentage of your life!

I didnt know lucid dreams actually happened...I remember watching 'vanilla sky' and wishing they could actually do something like that, which to be honest, come a few thousand years, they probably can. You dont 'die'...you just go to sleep...

That film is fecking brilliant, and very thought provoking...again, given that in theory, it could happen.

[Stu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c8an2XZ3MU

Another very good metaphor here, this time from Terrance McKenna.

If your mind is a computer, then everything you know, your culture, is just an operating system installed onto it.

McKenna is really worth checking out if your into this stuff. Also, I have the Matrix Boxset with the philosophers commentaries, because I am a gigantic nerd and stuff.

The first was definitely the better 'film' but the sequels were far more deep.

[Stacey.]

we breathee!!
or... are we just in a coma?

[Niamh.]

There is a lighter version a lot of people experience once in there lifetime called lucid dreaming, achieved through similar means. It's basically when you know you are in a dream and you can thus control it.

I find it amazing that when we sleep, we basically live this second life most people ignore.

I hope everyone here knows you actually dream EVERY night? It's only the dreams you REMEMBER that you count?

There is another world going on inside your head for a very, very large percentage of your life!

Have you ever been able to do that?

[Stu]

Omg, I keep comparing all you guys Ideas to TV Shows..

With good reason. Where do TV shows come from? Ideas! In peoples minds! :blush:

Ever heard of Halotropic Breathwork Probe? Think that's how you spell it.
Nope, but I shall look it up.

[setanta]

With good reason. Where do TV shows come from? Ideas! In peoples minds! :blush:


Nope, but I shall look it up.

Doesn't work for everybody but it's an amazing experience if your mind and body relax and you let go completely. You can experience many things without the need of drugs and the like.

[Stu]

Have you ever been able to do that?
Not full blown astral projection, but I have had lucid dreams where I controlled what happened in the dream. The difference is I knew I was in a dream, whereas with Astral Projection it feels like you are floating around in real time. Most people find it scary and can never pull it off because it feels like death. I used to try it by holding a rock over a pot in bed, so that when I would fall asleep the rock would drop and snap me into the state. I used to try it at around 6 in the morning when I was most vulnerable.

[Wildcat!]

I have been in a state of dream, when I actually consciensly knew that I was dreaming. I dont know how to explain it, but I knew I was in a dream. It has happened few times, and It was like I was watching a movie happen, with me starring in it. Just certain things happened, that made me realise I was in a dream, but I was still asleep. Its rare that it happens, but it does to me sometimes.

[Wildcat!]

Not full blown astral projection, but I have had lucid dreams where I controlled what happened in the dream. The difference is I knew I was in a dream, whereas with Astral Projection it feels like you are floating around in real time. Most people find it scary and can never pull it off because it feels like death. I used to try it by holding a rock over a pot in bed, so that when I would fall asleep the rock would drop and snap me into the state. I used to try it at around 6 in the morning when I was most vulnerable.

Exactly, what I just wrote. BUt i couldnt contol everything. Sometimes I try, and it doesnt go my way.:blush:

[Vicky.]

Doesn't work for everybody but it's an amazing experience if your mind and body relax and you let go completely. You can experience many things without the need of drugs and the like.

Talking about that...I can make myself feel high, when I havent took anything. I know the feeling because i used to take extacy when I was younger, and I can kind of recreated the feeling of 'coming up' and actually being high by thinking about it...its very strange...I actually feel off my face, very good thing to be able to do when you are having a crap night.

[Niamh.]

Not full blown astral projection, but I have had lucid dreams where I controlled what happened in the dream. The difference is I knew I was in a dream, whereas with Astral Projection it feels like you are floating around in real time. Most people find it scary and can never pull it off because it feels like death. I used to try it by holding a rock over a pot in bed, so that when I would fall asleep the rock would drop and snap me into the state. I used to try it at around 6 in the morning when I was most vulnerable.

I remember when I was younger a few weird sleep things happened to me. One night I dreamt that I was walking home down a country road, it was pitch dark and I could hear someone following me, I knew it was Satan, then I knew I was dreaming so I decided to close my eyes and curl up in a ball till I woke up but I could feel someone grab my leg and pull me a long the ground, I can't remember anything after that, it was scary :devil:

[Stu]

Exactly, what I just wrote. BUt i couldnt contol everything. Sometimes I try, and it doesnt go my way.:blush:
I know what you mean. There is a sort of halfway version of lucid dreaming where you feel like you are watching yourself in the dream from within the dream and your thinking ''gosh, no, I should not do that!'' about your 'dream self' who is about to do something incredibly stupid.

I love how downright bizarre dreams are. You could have a dream set in your own house, but the halls might be twice as long, and the floors might be a different color. It's fascinating.

[Niamh.]

I know what you mean. There is a sort of halfway version of lucid dreaming where you feel like you are watching yourself in the dream from within the dream and your thinking ''gosh, no, I should not do that!'' about your 'dream self' who is about to do something incredibly stupid.

I love how downright bizarre dreams are. You could have a dream set in your own house, but the halls might be twice as long, and the floors might be a different color. It's fascinating.

yeah dreams are strange, what exactly is there purpose I wonder

[InOne]

I think I should get an award for the best threads lol

[Vicky.]

I know what you mean. There is a sort of halfway version of lucid dreaming where you feel like you are watching yourself in the dream from within the dream and your thinking ''gosh, no, I should not do that!'' about your 'dream self' who is about to do something incredibly stupid.

I love how downright bizarre dreams are. You could have a dream set in your own house, but the halls might be twice as long, and the floors might be a different color. It's fascinating.

I have a totally different house in dreams that I remember.

Its so weird, whenever I dream Im doing something at home, its always in this same place...but I have never ever been to that place, or havent that I know of. I only know of it from my dreams.

I dream about other places that I havent been to, and people i have never met, but know well in my dreams aswell.

I dont usually have weird dreams like other people, I have ones that could actually be happening, like Im just living another life really...its crazy.

Obviously I do still get strange ones once in a while though :joker:

[Stu]

I think I should get an award for the best threads lol
How do you know the thread exists?

[Wildcat!]

I know what you mean. There is a sort of halfway version of lucid dreaming where you feel like you are watching yourself in the dream from within the dream and your thinking ''gosh, no, I should not do that!'' about your 'dream self' who is about to do something incredibly stupid.

I love how downright bizarre dreams are. You could have a dream set in your own house, but the halls might be twice as long, and the floors might be a different color. It's fascinating.


Haha lol! Thast what I mean. Sometimes I am in my house in a certain place, and when I go outside, I am in another country that I lived in.

I even got shot once, and died, but I knew I was dreaming. SO after gettting shot, its pith black, and I try to wake up. IT takes a few seconds, when I force it, and I wake up. Yeah, dreams are way bizarre. ONe o the great mysteries of humans

[Niamh.]

I have a totally different house in dreams that I remember.

Its so weird, whenever I dream Im doing something at home, its always in this same place...but I have never ever been to that place, or havent that I know of. I only know of it from my dreams.

I dream about other places that I havent been to, and people i have never met, but know well in my dreams aswell.

I dont usually have weird dreams like other people, I have ones that could actually be happening, like Im just living another life really...its crazy.

Obviously I do still get strange ones once in a while though :joker:

Unless you believe in reincarnation, could be dreaming of a past life........

[Vicky.]

Unless you believe in reincarnation, could be dreaming of a past life........

I dont believe in anything like that...but thats an interesting theory

[InOne]

How do you know the thread exists?

I do not. But seen as I type, in my mind I presume this thread exists.

[Niamh.]

I dont believe in anything like that...but thats an interesting theory

Neither do I but it's a possibility I suppose!

[Stu]

Here is another good one :

You know that feeling when you drift into sleep and fall off a cliff only to jerk awake? That's a natural instinct from our days as pre humans who lived in trees. This instinct was developed and needed to prevent our ancestors from falling off trees in there sleep and dying. And it's still with us.

[InOne]

Here is another good one :

You know that feeling when you drift into sleep and fall off a cliff only to jerk awake? That's a natural instinct from our days as pre humans who lived in trees. This instinct was developed and needed to prevent our ancestors from falling off trees in there sleep and dying. And it's still with us.

I get that lol

[Patrick]

Here is another good one :

You know that feeling when you drift into sleep and fall off a cliff only to jerk awake? That's a natural instinct from our days as pre humans who lived in trees. This instinct was developed and needed to prevent our ancestors from falling off trees in there sleep and dying. And it's still with us.

Hmm..

Yeah sort of, But I get that when Im in a situation where im gona get ran over in my dream, or Shot or somthing..

Then I sort of Jump and wake up,

Dont know if thats the same thing because I dont dream of falling of cliffs..
At least I dont think I do

[GypsyGoth]

I know I exist because I sometimes hurt.

[Stu]

I know I exist because I sometimes hurt.
Is that the title of R.E.M's next album?

[GypsyGoth]

Is that the title of R.E.M's next album?

Nope

* Murmur (1983)
* Reckoning (1984)
* Fables of the Reconstruction (1985)
* Lifes Rich Pageant (1986)
* Document (1987)
* Green (1988)
* Out of Time (1991)
* Automatic for the People (1992)
* Monster (1994)
* New Adventures in Hi-Fi (1996)
* Up (1998)
* Reveal (2001)
* Around the Sun (2004)
* Accelerate (2008)

[InOne]

You try stuggle with the fact you might be alive. But really, you are not.

[GypsyGoth]

You try stuggle with the fact you might be alive. But really, you are not.

But the dead don't dream and I do.

[Stu]

Nope

* Murmur (1983)
* Reckoning (1984)
* Fables of the Reconstruction (1985)
* Lifes Rich Pageant (1986)
* Document (1987)
* Green (1988)
* Out of Time (1991)
* Automatic for the People (1992)
* Monster (1994)
* New Adventures in Hi-Fi (1996)
* Up (1998)
* Reveal (2001)
* Around the Sun (2004)
* Accelerate (2008)
You know that was sarcasm, right?

[InOne]

But the dead don't dream and I do.

You don't know what dreams are. And you don't know what becomes of the dead.

[GypsyGoth]

You know that was sarcasm, right?

No

[GypsyGoth]

You don't know what dreams are. And you don't know what becomes of the dead.

Dreams are my mind making sense of this world. And one thing I know about the dead is that they stop being here. Their bodies become lifeless, and since I am here and have life, I guess I exist.

[InOne]

Dreams are my mind making sense of this world. And one thing I know about the dead is that they stop being here. Their bodies become lifeless, and since I am here and have life, I guess I exist.

You do not know you are alive. You might be dead.

[GypsyGoth]

You do not know you are alive. You might be dead.

:bawling:

[James]

Here is another good one :

You know that feeling when you drift into sleep and fall off a cliff only to jerk awake? That's a natural instinct from our days as pre humans who lived in trees. This instinct was developed and needed to prevent our ancestors from falling off trees in there sleep and dying. And it's still with us.

Sounds a bit like sleep paralysis when you are dozing but still awake but can't move, until you force yourself awake. The body stops itself acting out your dreams but sometimes you can't move before you are actually asleep. I have had that.

Some people think that can explain alien abduction type experiences.

[InOne]

:bawling:

:hug:

[James]

LEt me give you a quote from Descates, I have studied his relativity theory, and its pretty convincing. YOu have to read it very carefully, I remember, it took me a while to even undertand what he was talking about:


"But I have convinced myself that there is absolutely nothing in the world, no sky, no earth, no minds, no bodies. Does it now follow that I too do not exist? No. If I convinced myself of something [or thought anything at all] then I certainly existed. But there is a deceiver of supreme power and cunning who is deliberately and constantly deceiving me. In that case I too undoubtedly exist, if he is deceiving me; and let him deceive me as much as he can, he will never bring it about that I am nothing so long as I think that I am something. So, after considering everything very thoroughly, I must finally conclude that the proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind. "

If I've understood it right... that only proves to me that I exist. It doesn't prove to me that you and everything else exists. :p

[InOne]

Really you can't prove you exist unless you go by someone elses opinion of what existance actually is...

[Wildcat!]

If I've understood it right... that only proves to me that I exist. It doesn't prove to me that you and everything else exists. :p


Thats actually a good point.....:conf::conf::conf:
Let me think about it.
Actually, yeah, that is all it proves. I dont think Descartes ever claimed otherwise, so youre right.

[Stu]

Sounds a bit like sleep paralysis when you are dozing but still awake but can't move, until you force yourself awake. The body stops itself acting out your dreams but sometimes you can't move before you are actually asleep. I have had that.

Some people think that can explain alien abduction type experiences.
Yep, that's the term. That's what those strange body vibrations are.

[Vicky.]

Bump...this was very interesting, and I had to go out drinking...now I wish I hadnt, because some strange woman is in my house, asleep :shocked:

[InOne]

Bump...this was very interesting, and I had to go out drinking...now I wish I hadnt, because some strange woman is in my house, asleep :shocked:

I have been drinking all day lol get the woman told!!!!

[Niamh.]

Bump - More ideas please!!

[InOne]

People have had heart sugery have technically been dead. That is pretty trippy, how do you know you ever really woke up?

[SurferJay]

yeah no i dont exist im just a bit of your imagination tbh

[Niamh.]

People have had heart sugery have technically been dead. That is pretty trippy, how do you know you ever really woke up?

Yeah, I think it's all to do with your brain though. That seeing a light and all that is because you start to get tunnel vision when your brain is shutting down (so I've heard anyway)

[InOne]

Yeah, I think it's all to do with your brain though. That seeing a light and all that is because you start to get tunnel vision when your brain is shutting down (so I've heard anyway)

Yeah it's crazy lol as I said before, all people know is other Humans opinions on what it means to exist.

[Niamh.]

Yeah it's crazy lol as I said before, all people know is other Humans opinions on what it means to exist.

You could drive yourself mad trying to figure it out

[InOne]

You could drive yourself mad trying to figure it out

I'm already crazy anyway :D lol

[SurferJay]

because we have the ability to think then we have to exist even if we are a figment of someone else's imagination

[Niamh.]

I'm already crazy anyway :D lol

haha, no you're not Joe:joker:

[Niamh.]

What is the purpose of dreams, do you think?

[InOne]

They are sooo real sometimes, it's weird.

[Niamh.]

They are sooo real sometimes, it's weird.

I know, Is just that your brain can't switch off and it has to be doing something? but then again according to studies we only have around 6 dreams a night

[Benjamin]

This needed to be bumped and answered by the newer members of the forum. :hugesmile:

[Mystic Mock]

I know, Is just that your brain can't switch off and it has to be doing something? but then again according to studies we only have around 6 dreams a night

I have a theory that dreams are a temporary way to visit Alternate Realities.

To the OP I dont have a clue lol.

[Brother Leon]

Difficult question......


Nude photos with date & time are the only way to really prove it I think.............................I am waiting ;) :p


Ladies that is before I may be sent some naughty penis images :( :idc:

[Doogle]

I couldn't sleep and saw this, no sleep for me.

But I wonder, everyone here doubted they existed but we can't all not exist surely? I mean if none of us exist yet we all speak to each other, unless I exist and you're all just made up and don't exist. Oh god. Not even sure that made sense.

Also I LOL'd at Stu's sarcastic line to Claudia which she didn't get.

[Doogle]

Difficult question......


Nude photos with date & time are the only way to really prove it I think.............................I am waiting ;) :p


Ladies that is before I may be sent some naughty penis images :( :idc:

I'll PM Pyramid for you.

[Ramsay]

Was reading back through this earlier
It hurts my brain to even start thinking about lol

[Mystic Mock]

You all must exist otherwise wouldnt I be having you all worship me?:hugesmile:

[Glenn.]

What is the purpose of dreams, do you think?

Dreams Get Rid of Emotional Arousal

It has been agreed for some time that dreams deal with emotion. However, not all emotion causes dreaming. Only emotional arousal unexpressed while awake causes us to dream. So, for example, if you have a screaming row with your partner you are unlikely to dream about it as the emotional arousal was allowed full expression. However if you become angry with someone at work but cannot express it then this frustration will probably be played out during dreaming.

(This gives us an indication why dreams and hypnosis are interlinked.)
How Do Dreams Work?

The brain will 'flush out' emotional arousal by creating a dream of a scenario that parallels the real-life experience - a metaphor. So, the work colleague from above might be symbolised by a monster and your anger would be allowed expression as you attacked the dream creature.

If you ruminate angrily over the same issues the next day then you may well have a repetitive dream as the brain solves the same problem in the same way.

Apparently :shrug:

[Ramsay]

You all must exist otherwise wouldnt I be having you all worship me?:hugesmile:

Just had a deja vu reading your reply just here..ahhh
Deja Vu..theres another mind****!

[Mystic Mock]

I prefer my Alternate Reality theory more lol.

[Mystic Mock]

Just had a deja vu reading your reply just here..ahhh
Deja Vu..theres another mind****!

Yes,Deja Vu is a very hard subject to talk about as its hard to explain.:hugesmile:

[Doogle]

I don't know if I buy that.

When I was 4 I dreamt I went to IKEA with the Teletubbies, no joke.

That is nothing to do with me holding back emotions in real life. I just had the two things on my mind probably. I think we just dream as our minds mix all our thoughts together from the day and several dreams come from that.

[Glenn.]

Just had a deja vu reading your reply just here..ahhh
Deja Vu..theres another mind****!


The term "déjà vu" (French for "already seen", also called paramnesia) describes the experience of feeling that one has witnessed or experienced a new situation previously. The term was coined by a French psychic researcher, Émile Boirac (1851–1917) in his book L'Avenir des sciences psychiques (The Future of Psychic Sciences), which expanded upon an essay he wrote while an undergraduate French concentrator at the University of Chicago. The experience of déjà vu is usually accompanied by a compelling sense of familiarity, and also a sense of "eerieness", "strangeness", or "weirdness". The "previous" experience is most frequently attributed to a dream, although in some cases there is a firm sense that the experience "genuinely happened" in the past. Déjà vu has been described as "Remembering the future."

This just give me chills :sad:

I have déjà vu all the time. I dream things then they happen.

-is psychic- :eek:

[Doogle]

I reckon we could all be a bit psychic too but we can't prove it.

Deja vu is weird, I wonder if anyone called it anything before Émile Boirac called it déjà vu.

[Ramsay]

I think they we are constantly repeating our lives..like we die then we are born as ourselves and live our live over and over again and deja vu is like we remember stuff that has already happened to us..i thought of that baked as **** when i was like 14 so it probably makes no sense to you guys lol

[Mystic Mock]

We havent just got a God on the forum (Ukturtle) we also have a Psychic on the forum.

[Doogle]

Karl that does make sense but that sort of depresses me. It feels like I'm not making choices in life and I'm being controlled like a sim and I've tricked myself into thinking I control my actions. And the thought of living the same life over and over is horrible.

[Ramsay]

I found this ages ago and made a thread about it and its really good if you read all of it
http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

[Mystic Mock]

Karl that does make sense but that sort of depresses me. It feels like I'm not making choices in life and I'm being controlled like a sim and I've tricked myself into thinking I control my actions. And the thought of living the same life over and over is horrible.

Well one of my friends from school thinks that after we die we get reborn as different people.:shocked:

I would hate both theories though.

[Doogle]

Well one of my friends from school thinks that after we die we get reborn as different people.:shocked:

I would hate both theories though.

I sort of believe the theory that we are born as a different person after but I really hate it, you kill yourself and you have to come back again no matter what. Even if your life is wonderful and you don't realise you're constantly living different lives it's a horrible thought to me. I want to just die and have an afterlife. Perhaps we do exist but in 2 worlds as someone said earlier on. Our dream world which we live in permanently once we die, and earth when we aren't sleeping.

Or maybe we dont exist and when we die we end up in whatever we believed in. Afterlife, heaven, etc.

[Glenn.]

Its an interesting idea. Being re-born as someone else, and I can remember a show years ago, where a little boy claimed he was another person in another life.
He dreamt about a white house on the coast and it actually existed, and family members who could be accounted for with records. It was weird.


Link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209795/Reincarnated-Our-son-World-War-II-pilot-come-life.html)

Not actually the same as what I saw on TV but its the same sort of thing.

[Mystic Mock]

I found this ages ago and made a thread about it and its really good if you read all of it
http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

It sounds interesting but I dont think we are all the same person.:joker:

[Doogle]

Karl that thing you posted is amazing but I didn't like the sound of being everyone and in reality there only being 2 people. And I know it is available in loads of languages but what language is God speaking to me in? My mother tongue before I died? And why would God tell me this then rather than the other 1000000 times I've died. Unless of course he/she tells me every single time. I prefer the thought of here being more than 2 people though.

[Ramsay]

Im not saying its true i just liked the story:hugesmile:
and jesus glenn that was beyond creepy

[Mystic Mock]

Its an interesting idea. Being re-born as someone else, and I can remember a show years ago, where a little boy claimed he was another person in another life.
He dreamt about a white house on the coast and it actually existed, and family members who could be accounted for with records. It was weird.


Link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209795/Reincarnated-Our-son-World-War-II-pilot-come-life.html)

Not actually the same as what I saw on TV but its the same sort of thing.

That sounds interesting Glenn,its horrible to think that it could be the case though.

[Glenn.]

How is it horrible? Its just like recycling.

[Doogle]

Im not saying its true i just liked the story:hugesmile:
and jesus glenn that was beyond creepy

Me too I just thought parts were very depressing thoughts. It was brilliantly written though.

And yeah I read the whole thing, that's so scary.

[InOne]

God knows what I taking when I started this thread. Or did I even ever start it? Have I made TiBB and everyone on it up D: are you all just strands on my own personality?

[Glenn.]

This thread has ****ed my head up.

Do I even have a head? :eek:

[Mystic Mock]

How is it horrible? Its just like recycling.

Yes but I like how it is at the moment,I wouldnt want to be anyone else.:joker:

[swinearefine]

I remember back when I was 12 or so I had a total spiritual awakening or some sh*t and I started to wonder this and was depressed for like two weeks, but now I don't really curr.

[Glenn.]

Yes but I like how it is at the moment,I wouldnt want to be anyone else.:joker:

But you wouldn't really know.

Its not like you would keep a list of how many people you've been.

[Benjamin]

So glad I bumped this now. :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

But you wouldn't really know.

Its not like you would keep a list of how many people you've been.

True but I cant imagine having a better life than what I have got at the moment.

[Josy]

Wow this entire thread just fried my brain, i'm going to bed.

[InOne]

So glad I bumped this now. :laugh:

How did you come across it? It's from like 2 years ago lol Don't even think I could've found it

[Glenn.]

True but I cant imagine having a better life than what I have got at the moment.

But you wouldn't need to imagine, because you wouldn't know any different.

[Benjamin]

How did you come across it? It's from like 2 years ago lol Don't even think I could've found it

I was hiding some stuff in threads across the forum for The Mole. I found myself reading through this one. Then Karl said that during the task he found this thread and was also distracted by it. :hugesmile:

[InOne]

I was hiding some stuff in threads across the forum for The Mole. I found myself reading through this one. Then Karl said that during the task he found this thread and was also distracted by it. :hugesmile:

Oh right nice one.

I shall try add a more constructive post for my theory tomorrow when I'm not drunk and have figured out if I do actually exist lol

So night for now (I think)

[Benjamin]

Lol, night matey, happy hangover. :hugesmile:

[Glenn.]

I'm going to bed now. Or am I waking up? :eek:


The mind boggles. I'm gonna be thinking about this for hours :bored:

[Mystic Mock]

What a fantastic thread.

[fruit_cake]

What a fantastic thread.

I agree, it's not easy to prove it really. It reminds me of a story I heard about a man in the WTC who was on one of the floors where the plane actually hit. He apparently saw it coming and then blacked out, when he awoke ten minutes or so later, the phone was ringing. He thought to himself, is this god ringing me up to tell me I'm dead, or am I still alive!!! I can imagine after the chaos of a plane hitting the building how would you know if you were alive or dead?? Not sure if that's relevant to this thread though :idc:

[InOne]

I think that whole "did you ever really wake up" is quite scary as well. Like one long lucid dream type thing.

[Marc]

I'm not actually real..

[Stu]

When I was stoned the other night I got the idea that it would be great If we evolved to be able to photosynthesise.

So I sort of kind of solved world hunger. We shall become plants.

I then thought for awhile that the ganja's plant mind was manifesting in me. It kind of makes sense. Get me to smoke it then infiltrate me with it's plant ideals. It could be trying to preserve itself.

I'll just stop now.

[Jords]

If it was all in my imagination Id make myself hawt

[Benjamin]

When I was stoned the other night I got the idea that it would be great If we evolved to be able to photosynthesise.

So I sort of kind of solved world hunger. We shall become plants.

I then thought for awhile that the ganja's plant mind was manifesting in me. It kind of makes sense. Get me to smoke it then infiltrate me with it's plant ideals. It could be trying to preserve itself.

I'll just stop now.

:laugh:


I'm glad I read that whilst not high.

[Stu]

Sometimes sitting around with no pants on watching COPS just doesn't cut it, y'know.

[Shasown]

Some fascinating concepts in this thread.

I am real, I dont need to prove it, you all only exist in my reality.

[arista]

I breathe air and I got a pulse and five working senses, I exist for I'd not have any of these otherwise.



You Spunky Devil

[MTVN]

Cogito ergo sum :idc:

[Marc]

Does anybody else think about when we die, that might just be it. If there isn't any life after death or being reborn. That's it, you no longer get to be on the earth and your existance is no longer and will never ever (again) be.

[Harry!]

I study Philosophy AS and this is one of the key topics we study. If you look at the classic Descartes "I think, therefore I am." he is basically suggesting that because he thinks he must exist. But some would argue that is not enough to prove your existance. Just because you can "think" wouldn't mean you "exist". The idea of your brain in a jar in a laboratory miles away and you are just "there".

You can experience life through senses but because you may think a food smells nice somebody might think that is horrid. Would somebody who is colour blind experience the WHOLE world differently? Hume's missing shade of blue theory implies that sense experince may not be sufficent to understand you (or other people/things) exist.

Does a person in a coma exist? They are unable to communicate and carry out person like actions. Status of people is also very important for proving existance.

Solopsism - "buzz world".

Rationalism - is reason enough to prove of your existance. Locke's Table proves this.

I could talk about this lots.

[Niamh.]

Apparently :shrug:

Thanks Glenn :love:


This was an interesting thread Joe

[Niamh.]

Does anybody else think about when we die, that might just be it. If there isn't any life after death or being reborn. That's it, you no longer get to be on the earth and your existance is no longer and will never ever (again) be.

I think that's most likely yeah

[Josy]

I know this has moved on a bit from the dreams/sleep topic, but I'm pretty sure I have had the sleep paralysis thing happen to me a few times, always the same thing it feels as if someone is there but I can't move to turn around and see who it is, its really scary.

[CharlieO]

Nothing really exists though does it.

[Glenn.]

I know this has moved on a bit from the dreams/sleep topic, but I'm pretty sure I have had the sleep paralysis thing happen to me a few times, always the same thing it feels as if someone is there but I can't move to turn around and see who it is, its really scary.


I used to have it a lot when I was little.

It got to the stage where I knew I would be waking up soon, because a hole would open in the ground and I would have to jump down it to wake up.

And an old woman use to be lurking nearby. She was in a wheelchair, and when I see her I knew what was about to happen. I had this for years.

-has issues-

[Josy]

I used to have it a lot when I was little.

It got to the stage where I knew I would be waking up soon, because a hole would open in the ground and I would have to jump down it to wake up.

And an old woman use to be lurking nearby. She was in a wheelchair, and when I see her I knew what was about to happen. I had this for years.

-has issues-

That sounds weird, did you know the old woman or was she just in your dreams?

I have dreams were I know that I'm dreaming and try to wake myself up.

[Mystic Mock]

That sounds weird, did you know the old woman or was she just in your dreams?

I have dreams were I know that I'm dreaming and try to wake myself up.

Same here.

[Glenn.]

That sounds weird, did you know the old woman or was she just in your dreams?

I have dreams were I know that I'm dreaming and try to wake myself up.

She lived opposite us.

She scared me, probably why I dreamed about her.

[Niamh.]

I know this has moved on a bit from the dreams/sleep topic, but I'm pretty sure I have had the sleep paralysis thing happen to me a few times, always the same thing it feels as if someone is there but I can't move to turn around and see who it is, its really scary.

It happened to me a couple times as well years ago, it really freaked me out

[Josy]

It happened to me a couple times as well years ago, it really freaked me out

Yeah it's scary and you feel really panicky for a little while afterwards.

[Ammi]

Yeah it's scary and you feel really panicky for a little while afterwards.

I read somewhere that it can be a symtom of migraines, which I suffer from..it's very disturbing when it happens

[Mystic Mock]

I have never had Migraines though,thats what makes it even more weird.

Although I know you was answering Josy lol.

[Me. I Am Salman]

How about I talk to someone and I get a response :cheer2:

[Me. I Am Salman]

It happened to me a couple times as well years ago, it really freaked me out

omfg that happened to me a couple of years ago whenever i was ill :bawling:

[InOne]

How about I talk to someone and I get a response :cheer2:

You could talk to voices in your head and get a response, doesn't mean anything.

[Niamh.]

omfg that happened to me a couple of years ago whenever i was ill :bawling:

Probably hallucinating, that happens when people have fevers

[Mystic Mock]

Probably hallucinating, that happens when people have fevers

The only fever I ever had was Jedward.:hugesmile:

[Niamh.]

The only fever I ever had was Jedward.:hugesmile:

:laugh:

[fruit_cake]

if I don't exist who's eating this delicious slice of toast and honey?

[InOne]

if I don't exist who's eating this delicious slice of toast and honey?

How do you know you're actually eating it? Where is the proof apart from your own perception that it's actually there?

[fruit_cake]

I don't know, but if I eat too much I get fat and the scales tell me that I'm heavier? Isn't that proof that I'm here??

[CharlieO]

There is no proof nothing exists. Because existence is a concept we made up, so how can we be sure it is true?

[Mystic Mock]

If we dont exist though then how can we make stuff up?

[InOne]

I don't know, but if I eat too much I get fat and the scales tell me that I'm heavier? Isn't that proof that I'm here??

Still all perception :tongue:

[fruit_cake]

Still all perception :tongue:

It's a very tricky question you've given us here :conf2:

[Niamh.]

Still all perception :tongue:

I think therefore I am :idc:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Well if I don't exist then why do I want to be invisible

[InOne]

I think therefore I am :idc:

Niamh that's been said over 3 times in here :idc:

[Niamh.]

Niamh that's been said over 3 times in here :idc:

Needed to be said again obviously :idc: