Muslim student ,18, banned for college as she refuses to Remove her Burkha

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/24/article-1222511-06F121B8000005DC-183_233x507.jpg
'It is my choice to wear the veil':
Shawana Bilqes refused to remove
her cover-all Islamic robes at college

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222511/Muslim-student-18-banned-college-refuses-remove-burka.html#ixzz0UrhDlPNF


This is England Not Saudi
Utter Fact.

[Wildcat!]

I think thats fair enough. Muslim women should be allowed to wear the Hijab, but this goes too far. Again, if people are allowed to wear a Burka, she could send a genious with a Burka to take exams for her. NO one would know, so really, its logical. There is always online to get diplomas these days. Even in the US. SO if she wants, she could do that.
And in most Muslim traditions, only the Hijab is required, which covers everything, but your face is completely visible.

[Wildcat!]

And OP, you show your ignorance as usual, because most women in Saudi Arabia, dress like this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nDr3jFfZVec/R8veiqVMirI/AAAAAAAAAWM/D8mVK7O7rio/s400/Hijab+15.JPG

SO your last statement, is just that: Ignorant.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/24/article-1222511-06F121B8000005DC-183_233x507.jpg
'It is my choice to wear the veil':
Shawana Bilqes refused to remove
her cover-all Islamic robes at college

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222511/Muslim-student-18-banned-college-refuses-remove-burka.html#ixzz0UrhDlPNF


This is England Not Saudi
Utter Fact.


that picture just reminds me about the postal strike

[arista]

Yes it does.

[pinkmichk]

arista you are so racist its unbelievable what you get away with
i personally think she should be allowed to wear whatever she chooses

[arista]

And OP, you show your ignorance as usual, because most women in Saudi Arabia, dress like this:
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Some may do but many Hide all there Face
This is England Not Saudi.
Still Stands.

[arista]

arista you are so racist its unbelievable what you get away with
i personally think she should be allowed to wear whatever she chooses

At a College No Way
even Wildcat agree's there.


I am No Racist.
You lack understanding here.

[Wildcat!]

arista you are so racist its unbelievable what you get away with
i personally think she should be allowed to wear whatever she chooses

Not really in this case. How can you tell, its her taking the exam? Does she not have to get her photo ID taken?
And once again, its not a requirement to cover your face in Islam, so she cant use the religious argument, only her tradition.

HEre's a pic, of women during Hajj, in Mecca, which is the holiest place in Islam:

http://www.muslimvideo.com/tv/thumb/1_25237.jpg

As you can see, women dont cover their face, and that goes for you too Arista, you can stick to your ignorant statements, but it just gives you less and less credibility.

[arista]

I stand by this
This England Not Saudi.

That is a Strict Muslim Nation that has many women with faces covered.

[Wildcat!]

That picture is in Saudi Arabia, you dumbass!!! :laugh:
You are really clueless arent you? I use to joke about it, but its actually true. LOL

[Alf]

arista you are so racist its unbelievable what you get away with
i personally think she should be allowed to wear whatever she chooses
so you think people should be allowed to wear whatever they like?

so do you think i should be allowed to walk in a bank with a balaclava on?

do you think nudist's should be allowed to wear what they want and be naked in front of children?

[Patrick]

Good well done to the college :)

[arista]

That picture is in Saudi Arabia, you dumbass!!! :laugh:
You are really clueless arent you? I use to joke about it, but its actually true. LOL

Hey Dumbass
I know that is Saudi.


But As I said it is a Strict Muslim Nation
Most women are Covered.


No need for Name calling
try to be Civil.

[Enid]

Okay, sure they should have not made her remove the veil but education > religion/culture

[Dr.Gonzo]

Ninjas :joker:

'It is my choice to wear the veil'

It is the college's choice to tell you to fu** off.

[Patrick]

Think of it this way,

If we went to school in our Uniform, but we wanted to wear Jeans,
Thats tough!

We arent allowed and if we did we would be throwen out of the school!

So why should it be diffrent with this bitch?

Serves her right for thinking she can do what she wants

[Dr.Gonzo]

Think of it this way,

If we went to school in our Uniform, but we wanted to wear Jeans,
Thats tough!

We arent allowed and if we did we would be throwen out of the school!

So why should it be diffrent with this bitch?

Serves her right for thinking she can do what she wants

Yup. What's to stop her hiding someone else in there at exam time?

[arista]

Think of it this way,

If we went to school in our Uniform, but we wanted to wear Jeans,
Thats tough!

We arent allowed and if we did we would be throwen out of the school!

So why should it be diffrent with this bitch?

Serves her right for thinking she can do what she wants

Bang On Right
Patrick.

[Tom4784]

I can see why the college refused her, you can't wear hoodies or any clothes that obscure the face in most public places so regardless of religion they couldn't allow it because it would have been hypocritical.

[Shaun]

'We'


You mean 'You.'


Nothing to say about this Topic Dezzy?

nope. we. :)

as for the topic - people are talking about the denial of civil rights and liberties that the Islam faith [or rather, some interpretations of it] imposes upon women (by choosing to wear this); but is the banning from the college not a greater abuse of civil rights?

[Tom]

Why cant she just wear the one where you can still see their face

[arista]

I can see why the college refused her, you can't wear hoodies or any clothes that obscure the face in most public places so regardless of religion they couldn't allow it because it would have been hypocritical.

Good Points Dezzy.

[Wildcat!]

nope. we. :)

as for the topic - people are talking about the denial of civil rights and liberties that the Islam faith [or rather, some interpretations of it] imposes upon women (by choosing to wear this); but is the banning from the college not a greater abuse of civil rights?


Yeah but, 1) Its not required by her religion, and 2) there is the logistic aspect of it: No one would know if its really her under that. And she has to take exams, and even to enter the buidling, you cant identify her. You have to be able to identify someone in a place like that. Even in Saudi Arabia unis, women, now, have to show their faces.

http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/2009/09/saudi-arabias-new-university-to-let-women-unveil-and-study-with-men.html

[Novo]

Why cant she just wear the one where you can still see their face

This Exactly

[setanta]

It's just a question of common sense really with regard to this girl, but what I find very interesting is how Arista will seize upon every opportunity available to him to further his cause in condemning other races or ethnic groups.

[Wildcat!]

It's just a question of common sense really with regard to this girl, but what I find very interesting is how Arista will seize upon every opportunity available to him to further his cause in condemning other races.

Amen! I really thought the biggots around here went unnoticed, but I can see now that they didnt!

[pinkmichk]

It's just a question of common sense really with regard to this girl, but what I find very interesting is how Arista will seize upon every opportunity available to him to further his cause in condemning other races or ethnic groups.

agree but with arista its not just races and ethnic groups its any minority group (prime examples are him saying the childrens presenter needs to cover up her stump and 1 eyed scottish brown to name just 2)

[arista]

agree but with arista its not just races and ethnic groups its any minority group (prime examples are him saying the childrens presenter needs to cover up her stump and 1 eyed scottish brown to name just 2)


Yes Very True
our Un Elected PM is One Eyed Scottish Brown.

[andyman]

Yes Arista is very racist, 6 months in the BH dungeon.

[atieah2009]

Oh my,my arista oh arista lol.

[arista]

No Racist , here.

[WOMBAI]

I agree - this is England, not Saudi.

We have our rules - and everyone should abide by them.

If we went to Saudi or other Muslim countries - we would be expected to abide by their rules. Can't abide double standards!

[Fom]

I don't see why she can't just take it off, if she is so offended by it then fine... don't have an education. Its simple if you want an education or any respect in this country do not cover up your face, 90% of communication is non vocal... no wonder it freaks people out if you cannot see their face.

Also this girl is so wrong bringing her religion into it, the Qur'an never mentions the use of a full body Burkha. As other muslims have told me.

[bananarama]

If she had not been brain washed from birth that she should wear such idiotic wear she wouln't be wanting to.....


Its an example of the evil damage that half baked religious teachings can do.....Groomed from child hood into the insane beliefs of elders.

I suppose if the religion said she should walk on her hands to school while chewing on a bone and it had been drummed into her from birth she would do that also......

[Vicky.]

so you think people should be allowed to wear whatever they like?

so do you think i should be allowed to walk in a bank with a balaclava on?

do you think nudist's should be allowed to wear what they want and be naked in front of children?

Well said.

If there are rules, stick to them.

And her religion doesnt even 'require' her to wear that anyway. Its what she 'wants' to wear. So I want to go to college in my underwear...am I allowed? No...

Im sure the college would have had no problem with her wearing one that showed her face, but obviously the one in the main picture cant be allowed...I mean seriously...she could easily send anyone else in to sit her exams for her or go to lessons for her etc.