pPolice quiz Christian pensioner over gay beliefs

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/video-police-quiz-christian-pensioner-over-gay-beliefs/


Have they not got criminals, rapists, drug addicts to arrest?


and who told gay people that their view is any more valid than this lady?

[Shaun]

lmao, stupid cow.

[Crimson Dynamo]

lmao, stupid cow.

That is disrespectful. Just because she is old does not mean you can bully her.

[Shaun]

And just because she's a stupid Christian, does not mean she should interrupt gay pride marches and hand them leaflets telling them they're disgusting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And just because she's a stupid Christian, does not mean she should interrupt gay pride marches and hand them leaflets telling them they're disgusting.

Yeah, I can see your coming at this from a balanced perspective....

[Shaun]

If being homophobic would make me balanced then I'll settle for being biased ;)

[Crimson Dynamo]

If being homophobic would make me balanced then I'll settle for being biased ;)

Homophobic to you is really just anyone who does not share your views of homosexuality.

[Scarlett.]

Yeah, I can see your coming at this from a balanced perspective....
I can see you are too...your perspective is "EVERYONE WHO DOESNT FOLLOW THE RULES FROM SOME OLD PIECE OF PAPER BE DAMNED"

[Shaun]

Homophobic to you is really just anyone who does not share your views of homosexuality.

Not really. Homophobic to me would include going around a gay pride march telling marchers that their 'behaviour' is wrong.

[Ross]

stupid lady.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not really. Homophobic to me would include going around a gay pride march telling marchers that their 'behaviour' is wrong.

having seen these ridiculous show off "pride" marches I think the lady was right

she has taste:dance:

[Scarlett.]

having seen these ridiculous show off "pride" marches I think the lady was right

she has taste:dance:

*cough*

http://www.worldaccent.com/blog/images/italian_church_procession_denney.jpg

[arista]

That is disrespectful. Just because she is old does not mean you can bully her.


This is a Set Up
She did not have to go to a Gay Pride.


What a Con.

[arista]

having seen these ridiculous show off "pride" marches I think the lady was right

she has taste:dance:



She can be Right in her own Private World
but did she need to go to a Gay Pride.
NO

Its a Fecking Set Up.

[Fom]

Homophobic to you is really just anyone who does not share your views of homosexuality.

I don't really believe people should have a view on homosexuality though... homosexuality is real and unavoidable. There is no right and wrong behind it... it is just natural.

You can't really have much of an opinion on it, thats like having an opinion on should we eat or not?

[MiuMiu]

Reading the comments here left me feeling all warm inside.
Thanks peeps :D
Atleast I know now that this place isn't completely full of loons.
:lovedup:

[M X]

what a stupid little prick of a bat.

“It’s not a crime to be a Christian, but it increasingly feels like it.
“It's not a crime to be a gay person, but it increasingly feels like it.

[30stone]

She can be Right in her own Private World
but did she need to go to a Gay Pride.
NO

Its a Fecking Set Up.

That can be said for all protestors though, they are there because they are protesting.

[Ross]

I agree with Fom.

[arista]

That can be said for all protestors though, they are there because they are protesting.


Yes it is a Set up.

Hence the Video.


There is No God , anyway.

[BB_Eye]

Sounds like she was wasting police time in the first place.

[Tom4784]

What a balanced article that was! There's no smoke without fire so she must have done something wrong. I can;t really say anything that hasn''t already been said really, Fom summed up my sentiments perfectly.

[BB_Eye]

What a balanced article that was! There's no smoke without fire so she must have done something wrong. I can;t really say anything that hasn''t already been said really, Fom summed up my sentiments perfectly.

I laughed when I saw it was written by the Christian Institute. Basically, they are the equivalent to homophobia what Combat 18 are to anti-semitism.

[Sticks]

But there is also the case of a street preacher who just quoted a passage from the Bible, possibly Romans 1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201&version=NIV) and in particular versus 24 - 27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:24-27&version=NIV) which was documenting homosexual behaviour. He was arrested and charge on a similar offence.

Now this verse has been read in churches for quite some time, which has been argued to be a public place.

Are you now saying that people in church are banned from reading out Bible passages?

What about those parts of the Koran and the Torrah that speak out about homosexual behaviour.

This is a case of a letter to a council, read by only how many people?

What happened to Voltaire who is supposed to have said "I disagree entirely with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

[Niamh.]

Leather Trumpet, are you for real or do you write all these threads just to annoy people?

[Crimson Dynamo]

But there is also the case of a street preacher who just quoted a passage from the Bible, possibly Romans 1 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201&version=NIV) and in particular versus 24 - 27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:24-27&version=NIV) which was documenting homosexual behaviour. He was arrested and charge on a similar offence.

Now this verse has been read in churches for quite some time, which has been argued to be a public place.

Are you now saying that people in church are banned from reading out Bible passages?

What about those parts of the Koran and the Torrah that speak out about homosexual behaviour.

This is a case of a letter to a council, read by only how many people?

What happened to Voltaire who is supposed to have said "I disagree entirely with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

is a great post and an adult one too. Too many people on this forum cannot see beyond their own worldview and it is that which causes all the problems in this world.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Leather Trumpet, are you for real or do you write all these threads just to annoy people?

what, threads in a debating forum?

different views from your own?

nooooooooooo:shocked:

[Niamh.]

what, threads in a debating forum?

different views from your own?

nooooooooooo:shocked:

LOL, I was being serious actually, just curious is all!! Fair enough.

[Crimson Dynamo]

no problemo

[xDramatick]

Now this verse has been read in churches for quite some time, which has been argued to be a public place.

Are you now saying that people in church are banned from reading out Bible passages?

No, but reading out anti-gay passages and handing out anti-gay leaflets at a gay pride event is like me bursting into your church to criticize Jesus and the bible.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, but reading out anti-gay passages and handing out anti-gay leaflets at a gay pride event is like me bursting into your church to criticize Jesus and the bible.

not necessarily as that would be in the building but outside the church gates would be an example and I would be fairly certain that the person would not be abused.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/c4-news-calls-pauline-howes-letter-a-crime/


Outrageous.

[Stu]

She got exactly what she deserved. You don't go to a klan meeting dressed as Boy George. I agree with her right to free speech, but I also agree with what everyone else is saying here. Free speech works both ways. She was a ****ing moron, and thus she got treated like a ****ing moron.

I am sure if gay people want to be 'saved' they will find Jesus [because apparently, his lost]. They don't need a preaching to on a day that should be filled with joy and pride for them.

[Loukas]

*cough*

http://www.worldaccent.com/blog/images/italian_church_procession_denney.jpg

LMFAO!!!! Chewy you have a huge point there matey!
This woman we are talking about is a bitch! "/

[Stu]

Too many people on this forum cannot see beyond their own worldview

Christianity is a fact.

Lolz.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Calling an elderly lady a ****ing moron and a bitch because you do not agree with what she believes?


:shrug:

[Stu]

Calling an elderly lady a ****ing moron and a bitch because you do not agree with what she believes?


:shrug:
Saying homosexuals are sinners and are, in all likelihood, going to hell because they are not leading the lifestyle you want them to lead? Works both ways.

The only difference is hell is imaginary. Gay Pride parades are not. And walking through a Gay Pride parade to drag them down and preach to them is moronic. These are known as facts of life. Have fun with them.

[Niamh.]

Calling an elderly lady a ****ing moron and a bitch because you do not agree with what she believes?


:shrug:

If thats what she believes fair enough but she doesn't need to push her beliefs in other peoples faces!

She might think that being Gay is wrong so she doesn't have to be Gay but these people aren't hurting anyone by being Gay so why harass them?

[Crimson Dynamo]

If thats what she believes fair enough but she doesn't need to push her beliefs in other peoples faces!

She might think that being Gay is wrong so she doesn't have to be Gay but these people aren't hurting anyone by being Gay so why harass them?

why does anyone demonstrate?

dont gay people demonstrate?

[Loukas]

Saying homosexuals are sinners and are, in all likelihood, going to hell because they are not leading the lifestyle you want them to lead? Works both ways.

The only difference is hell is imaginary. Gay Pride parades are not. And walking through a Gay Pride parade to drag them down and preach to them is moronic.

*High F&%$ing 5*
Exactly. She has her beliefs that is fine and dandy, but gay people can't have theirs because it's 'wrong'
Did she honestly think a gay person would stop at gay pride and be like 'OMFG, YES. It's against god, quick quick, stop all of this right away!' Girl Please.

[Niamh.]

why does anyone demonstrate?

dont gay people demonstrate?

People demonstrate for all different reasons Leather Trumpet, we'd have to go through each one individually to see if we believe they are right or wrong to do so

[Stu]

dont gay people demonstrate?
Yes. BECAUSE of people like this. BECAUSE of things like this.

Knock knock, sense is outside and his getting cold.

[Crimson Dynamo]

People demonstrate for all different reasons Leather Trumpet, we'd have to go through each one individually to see if we believe they are right or wrong to do so

who is we?

do you mean legal?

what the Bible clearly says about homosexuality is not illegal

[Dr.Gonzo]

As soon as I saw this thread title, I knew I'd find lots of LeatherTrumpet goodness within.

[Stu]

who is we?

do you mean legal?

what the Bible clearly says about homosexuality is not illegal
What about stoning? :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes. BECAUSE of people like this. BECAUSE of things like this.

Knock knock, sense is outside and his getting cold.



Bingo:spin:

[Dr.Gonzo]

who is we?

do you mean legal?

what the Bible clearly says about homosexuality is not illegal

No, just ignorant.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What about stoning? :joker:

are you referring to mosaic law. perhaps you can enlighten the forum by explaining the reason for stoning in OT times with reference to mosaic law and the people bound by that?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, just ignorant.

is your opinion and that is what the debate is here.

[Dr.Gonzo]

is your opinion and that is what the debate is here.

Yes, also, the grass is green. Stop waisting bandwidth pointing out the obvious.

[Niamh.]

who is we?

do you mean legal?

what the Bible clearly says about homosexuality is not illegal

"we" as in us here debating, you asked me is everyone who demonstrates wrong, that's a ridiculous question as they are not all the same.

"We" here are talking about this particular case, "I" think she was wrong and so did the police obviously!!

Like I said she's entitled to believe whatever she wants but why force her beliefs on people who don't want it forced upon them, it doesn't seem Christian to me. If she's right and they really are wrong then why not let God judge them, she's not God so it's not her job!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes, also, the grass is green. Stop waisting bandwidth pointing out the obvious.

but it would not seem so, hence the abuse posted towards the woman by people who cannot see this point.

[Stu]

are you referring to mosaic law. perhaps you can enlighten the forum by explaining the reason for stoning in OT times with reference to mosaic law and the people bound by that?
Who knows. If I want Fantasy then Lord Of The Ring's is a much better read.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"we" as in us here debating, you asked me is everyone who demonstrates wrong, that's a ridiculous question as they are not all the same.

"We" here are talking about this particular case, "I" think she was wrong and so did the police obviously!!

Like I said she's entitled to believe whatever she wants but why force her beliefs on people who don't want it forced upon them, it doesn't seem Christian to me. If she's right and they really are wrong then why not let God judge them, she's not God so it's not her job!!

and if she and her pals held a Christian parade where they shouted quotes from the Bible from colourful floats that would be ok?

[Dr.Gonzo]

and if she and her pals held a Christian parade where they shouted quotes from the Bible from colourful floats that would be ok?


Of course. And by your standpoint it would also be ok for the gay folk to arrive in crotchless leathers with glittery dildos and glow-in-the-dark buttplugs, being disruptive and hostile :)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course. And by your standpoint it would also be ok for the gay folk to arrive in crotchless leathers with glittery dildos and glow-in-the-dark buttplugs, being disruptive and hostile :)

if they wanted to protest of course although I fear your stereotype of what gay men look like is a little homophobic

[Dr.Gonzo]

if they wanted to protest of course although I fear your stereotype of what gay men look like is a little homophobic

That isn't my stereotype at all. I was finding an extreme as a parallel to the woman the thread is centred around.

[Niamh.]

and if she and her pals held a Christian parade where they shouted quotes from the Bible from colourful floats that would be ok?

Yeah, why not! I often see people in town with microphones reading out bits from the bible, no problem!

[Sticks]

In my experience street preaching does not work, when we have done outreach we just had a stall so people could come and read material or chat with people. If someone asks about homosexuality we might just show them in the Bible, both Old and more importantly the New Testament why it declares it to be a sin.

However even such a low key explanation could be declared a "hate crime" by some who are militant about gay rights.

This is the problem we face, and ironically it is the so called liberal intelligencia that shows the most intollerance of alternative view points. We already have had one preacher arrested just for reciting certain Bible passages in the street, just because they were those passages declaring homosexual behaviour as sin. If I add to the mix, the story of a headmistriss some years ago to show how some in the Gay Rights movment went to extremism.

This was a London head teacher who was a lesbian. At that time there was an initiative to bring Shakespere to school children by a professional theatre production. The scheme was they helped the children put on their own play and then they got free tickets to see a professional show of the same play.

The play selected was Romeo and Juliet and so this headteach banned her children from taking part because the play was too hetrosexist and did not present a good protrayal of homosexual love.

That was tolerance was it not?

The headteacher at the time was widley condemned in the press and parliament. Nowadays, I would expect no editor would dare criticise her for fear of the midnight knock on the door, and being carted off to chokey for being seen as homophobic for criticising a fine upstanding woman for trying to show such tolernace and protecting her children from a DWEM*



DWEM = Dead White European Male. In the US their works were banned from being studied and the reason cited was the injustice of the slave trade???

[Niamh.]

In my experience street preaching does not work, when we have done outreach we just had a stall so people could come and read material or chat with people. If someone asks about homosexuality we might just show them in the Bible, both Old and more importantly the New Testament why it declares it to be a sin.

However even such a low key explanation could be declared a "hate crime" by some who are militant about gay rights.

This is the problem we face, and ironically it is the so called liberal intelligencia that shows the most intollerance of alternative view points. We already have had one preacher arrested just for reciting certain Bible passages in the street, just because they were those passages declaring homosexual behaviour as sin. If I add to the mix, the story of a headmistriss some years ago to show how some in the Gay Rights movment went to extremism.

This was a London head teacher who was a lesbian. At that time there was an initiative to bring Shakespere to school children by a professional theatre production. The scheme was they helped the children put on their own play and then they got free tickets to see a professional show of the same play.

The play selected was Romeo and Juliet and so this headteach banned her children from taking part because the play was too hetrosexist and did not present a good protrayal of homosexual love.

That was tolerance was it not?

The headteacher at the time was widley condemned in the press and parliament. Nowadays, I would expect no editor would dare criticise her for fear of the midnight knock on the door, and being carted off to chokey for being seen as homophobic for criticising a fine upstanding woman for trying to show such tolernace and protecting her children from a DWEM*



DWEM = Dead White European Male. In the US their works were banned from being studied and the reason cited was the injustice of the slave trade???


Sticks, If people want to believe and follow the bible I have no problem with that, that is their choice. It only becomes a problem for me when it's shoved in peoples faces who don't want it there!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sticks, If people want to believe and follow the bible I have no problem with that, that is their choice. It only becomes a problem for me when it's shoved in peoples faces who don't want it there!

like a gay pride parade do you mean?

[Niamh.]

like a gay pride parade do you mean?

How is that shoving it in peoples faces? It is for Gay people!

[Crimson Dynamo]

How is that shoving it in peoples faces? It is for Gay people!


Oh perhaps I was thinking of the big floats full of sexually provocatively dressed men hooting horns and pumping music coming down main roads then?

They must just go down the gay roads?

[Niamh.]

Oh perhaps I was thinking of the big floats full of sexually provocatively dressed men hooting horns and pumping music coming down main roads then?

They must just go down the gay roads?

Gay roads???? Maybe we should ban St. Patricks Day parades too incase people don't like Irish people??

[Crimson Dynamo]

Gay roads???? Maybe we should ban St. Patricks Day parades too incase people don't like Irish people??

finally a good idea surfaces from the mire...

[Niamh.]

finally a good idea surfaces from the mire...

Oh Christ I give up, so you hate Gays & Irish now???

[Dr.Gonzo]

One-way street?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Oh perhaps I was thinking of the big floats full of sexually provocatively dressed men hooting horns and pumping music coming down main roads then?

They must just go down the gay roads?

Lol gay roads! Theyre celebrating their own thing not going around telling people its a sin to be hetero

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lol gay roads! Theyre celebrating their own thing not going around telling people its a sin to be hetero

I dont see people whose sexual proclivity is feet making a hoo haa down shaftesbury avenue and up hill gardeners avenue

[Crimson Dynamo]

But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. ... If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

Matthew 5:44,46-47

[Dr.Gonzo]

Why do you see them as your enemies? If you don't, then why is that quote relevent, at all?

[Niamh.]

But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. ... If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

Matthew 5:44,46-47

Love your enemies?? That old lady wasn't showing much love!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why do you see them as your enemies? If you don't, then why is that quote relevent, at all?

it was for the lady in question:spin:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Love your enemies?? That old lady wasn't showing much love!!

and if you read the article not a lot was shown back to her and for me that is worse.

[Dr.Gonzo]

it was for the lady in question:spin:

Maybe she needs to learn how to love better then, eh?

[Prole]

Bigoted dinosaurs like this old woman will be extinct in a couple of generations, hopefully. She was there deliberately to provoke a reaction, and when she got a reaction she decided she didn’t like it.

[Niamh.]

and if you read the article not a lot was shown back to her and for me that is worse.

How is it worse, that "Christian lady" started it all with her hate

[NettoSuperstar!]

I dont see people whose sexual proclivity is feet making a hoo haa down shaftesbury avenue and up hill gardeners avenue

lol up hill gardeners avenue! And they would have no need to? Its the norm, heteros havent been made to feel like what they do is bad, theyve no need to fight against negative perceptions and against all this, proclaim to the world that theyre hetero and proud! lol...you are funny

[Tom]

and the police wonder why crime rates are going up when they make silly arrests like this

[arista]

and the police wonder why crime rates are going up when they make silly arrests like this


Yes Under Stinking New Labour rules this Nation is Fecked Up

[Sticks]

Sticks, If people want to believe and follow the bible I have no problem with that, that is their choice. It only becomes a problem for me when it's shoved in peoples faces who don't want it there!

Some of us have learned that that technique is not that effective anyway. I prefer soft sell over hard sell.

[Niamh.]

Some of us have learned that that technique is not that effective anyway. I prefer soft sell over hard sell.

Well I respect you for that Sticks.

[Beastie]

Sticks is a legend

[BB_Eye]

and the police wonder why crime rates are going up when they make silly arrests like this

Yes and no

Assuming her story is as innocent as it sounds (which I doubt), the most they should have done was caution her for wasting police time.