Now you cant call a black person a chocolate Hobnob!

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223457/HobNobgate-This-really-takes-biscuit---BBC-thought-police-tried-cover-gentle-quip.html


fear of blame, fear of blame, fear of blame.

[arsenalforever]

you can't call a black person anythign anymore can you:hugesmile:

[Dr.Gonzo]

you can't call a black person anythign anymore can you:hugesmile:

No, you just have to say, 'Ay, you!'

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I mean I wouldn't be offended if someone called me a Jersey Cream lol

[Dr.Gonzo]

Yeah, I mean I wouldn't be offended if someone called me a Jersey Cream lol

It's hardly surprising though, is it. You can't have blackboards, there was talk about changing the black ball in snooker. I'm sure the ******* who run with this **** are forgetting that black is a colour for other things, not just skin.

It's disgusting, if you think enough about it. Do you think there'd be a massive uproar if a black person called an anglo 'whitey'? No.

[Niamh.]

It's hardly surprising though, is it. You can't have blackboards, there was talk about changing the black ball in snooker. I'm sure the ******* who run with this **** are forgetting that black is a colour for other things, not just skin.

It's disgusting, if you think enough about it. Do you think there'd be a massive uproar if a black person called an anglo 'whitey'? No.

My kids have White Boards in school now, I think I'll complain .................:joker::joker:

[Enid]

Ugh I hate **** like this.

I shouldn't have to ****ing tip toe around every black person I see. If someone is racist there is nothing anyone can do to change that state of mind. So **** off with this PC ****, PLEASE!

[*mazedsalv**]

Are you kidding? So anything black is banned now?? LMAO :D

If someone called me a Vanilla Milkshake or a Custard Cream i would laugh.

We might as well ban black pens too! (ongoing joke with me and my black friend, we just joke at the fact that you cant say anything without getting in trouble for being racist) :D

[30stone]

Im not surprised if you were saying it to someone they arent likely to be happy about it..

Like some dont like the term mixed race..

But im sure they would prefer that to, "oy choclate hobnob over here"

[arsenalforever]

Im not surprised if you were saying it to someone they arent likely to be happy about it..

Like some dont like the term mixed race..

But im sure they would prefer that to, "oy choclate hobnob over here"

Hobnob thats the first time i've heard that one

[Enid]

I would like a chocolate hobnob. They sound tasty.

[Dr.Gonzo]

And if anything, this PC bollocks has worked against itself. I mean, isn't the point of antiracism to treat all as equal? Not make it hard to communicate because you have to call them 'African American Non Colour Golden Cow King Awesome of Spectacular Land'. That isn't equal. It's making a needless show of people who are wanting to be treated just like Milky Joe on the corner.

[arsenalforever]

I would like a chocolate hobnob. They sound tasty.

they do but i only have plain ones right now

[30stone]

Dont like hobnobs much, my nan makes much better biscuits :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

if the term used is in a derisory intention then it is bad, if it is not as in this case then there is no issue.

The real issue here is that various 30 something white producers at the bbc (where most of the black people drive cars and clean) became worried they would get the blame if a Jan Moir "hate-feck" internet blame-a-thon occurred.

[Enid]

'African American Non Colour Golden Cow King Awesome of Spectacular Land'
Hahahah

I'll try calling a black person... ahem... I mean an African American Non Colour Golden Cow King Awesome of Spectacular Land that, and let you know what happens!

[*mazedsalv**]

I would like a chocolate hobnob. They sound tasty.

I have them in my cupboard.

[Enid]

i have them in my cupboard.
Racist!!

[arsenalforever]

I have them in my cupboard.

get 'em out and share 'em:joker:

[Dr.Gonzo]

I have them in my cupboard.

Now that's racist. They had more room at the back of the bus!

[Enid]

Now that's racist. They had more room at the back of the bus!
You're awful. :D

[arsenalforever]

Now that's racist. They had more room at the back of the bus!

:joker: not very dr Gonzo of you

[*mazedsalv**]

Im sorry :(
I am ashamed of my racism.

I didnt mean my cupboard, i meant my white cupboard.

[Wildcat!]

Why would you want to call a black person that in the first place is my question. I am sorry some of you that the world actually is intolerant of open racism, but you wil just have to deal, or just be openly racist, plain and simple. At least people will know what kind of person you are.

And by the way if someone ever called me that to my face, I would have to open up a can of whoop ass!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why would you want to call a black person that in the first place is my question. I am sorry some of you that the world actually is intolerant of open racism, but you wil just have to deal, or just be openly racist, plain and simple. At least people will know what ind of person you are.

And by the way if someone ever called me that to my face, I would have to open up a can of whoop ass!!

i give you Michael jackson

rest

case

[Wildcat!]

Now that's racist. They had more room at the back of the bus!

Yeah! thats really funny, and clever! :rolleyes:

[Enid]

Oh c'mon! Get a sense of humour. You put a real downer on things you know. :P

[arsenalforever]

Oh c'mon! Get a sense of humour. You put a real downer on things you know. :P

i think he's black:hugesmile:

[*mazedsalv**]

The fact that we are laughing is that this has gone too far.

Most of the time, white people are the ones called "white trash" and "white bred" but apparently this doesnt matter.

But lets just say, a black man punches a white man... thats just an attack.
A white man punches a black man.... thats a racist attack.

[Enid]

I can imagine some people will get a little too sensitive and this thread will be closed.. as always.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Yeah! thats really funny, and clever! :rolleyes:

Get a grip, will you please? You know, when a subject is taboo, that gives said subject power. It makes an issue out of something that should no longer have any power or hold. Sorry if I'm too open for you about this, but I firmly believe that if there's an :elephant: in the room, you should name the *******er, take the piss, and watch the fat **** starve.

[arsenalforever]

I can imagine some people will get a little too sensitive and this thread will be closed.. as always.

the people with no life you mean

[Crimson Dynamo]

can you still get Gypsy creams?

[Enid]

Yes, precisely.

I never take **** like this seriously. That's why I laugh and joke about it, and if that offends people, well, that is not my problem.

[Wildcat!]

Oh c'mon! Get a sense of humour. You put a real downer on things you know. :P

Well you know what, I am not laughing! ANd I will gladly put a damper on this!
Carry on if you enjoy it, and find it funny. Its a free country.
Like I said, the devil you know, is much better than the devil you dont.
With that,let me leave yall to it.

[Novo]

The Wildcat has been let of the lead

[arsenalforever]

Well you know what, I am not laughing! ANd I will gladly put a damper on this!
Carry on if you enjoy it, and find it funny. Its a free country.
Like I said, the devil you know, is much better than the devil you dont.

go take a chill pill:hugesmile:

[Enid]

Well you know what, I am not laughing! ANd I will gladly put a damper on this!
Carry on if you enjoy it, and find it funny. Its a free country.
Like I said, the devil you know, is much better than the devil you dont.
With that,let me leave yall to it.
So you think banning anything that could be misconstrued, and not necessarily racist, AS racist is a good thing?

I laugh at this because I am not racist and because it is one step too far. As I said before, if someone is racist they will continue being racist. This is not dealing with the underlying issue. Paper over the cracks.

[Crimson Dynamo]

everyone does know that Andrew neil made a basic observation comparison and that was all

right?

[Wildcat!]

So you think banning anything that could be misconstrued, and not necessarily racist, AS racist is a good thing?

I laugh at this because I am not racist and because it is one step too far. As I said before, if someone is racist they will continue being racist. This is not dealing with the underlying issue. Paper over the cracks.


Yes I do. If it offends one person, I dont think it should be allowed on a public network.
But personally, I gladly welcome people making such remarks, or laughing at it. To me, they are just words, they dont affect me. BUt at least they let me know about the person. As long as I am not discriminated against, as long as I am not denied opportunities, as long as violence is not involved, its just fine with me. Let them all stand up, and show themselves, so I can promptly avoid them in the future.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes I do. If it offends one person, I dont think it should be allowed on a public network.
But personally, I gladly welcome people making such remarks, or laughing at it. To me, they are just words, they dont affect me. BUt at least they let me know about the person. As long as I am not discriminated against, as long as I am not denied opportunities, as long as violence is not involved, its just fine with me. Let them all stand up, and show themselves, so I can promptly avoid them in the future.

sorry buy you clearly have no idea about broadcasting and viewing numbers

if you stuck to that mantra all we would watch was our reflections in a blank screen.

[Niamh.]

Yes I do. If it offends one person, I dont think it should be allowed on a public network.
But personally, I gladly welcome people making such remarks, or laughing at it. To me, they are just words, they dont affect me. BUt at least they let me know about the person. As long as I am not discriminated against, as long as I am not denied opportunities, as long as violence is not involved, its just fine with me. Let them all stand up, and show themselves, so I can promptly avoid them in the future.

The point is though, why would balck people find it offensive? I wouldn't find offensive if someone called me milky bar or whatever cos I am white, so what!!

[Dr.Gonzo]

The point is though, why would balck people find it offensive? I wouldn't find offensive if someone called me milky bar or whatever cos I am white, so what!!

It's the PC people pandering them that does it. It's similar to kids, when they fall and you shower them in hugs and kisses and they start crying, yet if you don't make a fuss out of it they carry on without a second thought, no tears and no fuss.

[Niamh.]

It's the PC people pandering them that does it. It's similar to kids, when they fall and you shower them in hugs and kisses and they start crying, yet if you don't make a fuss out of it they carry on without a second thought, no tears and no fuss.

yeah, good point.

[Wildcat!]

The point is though, why would balck people find it offensive? I wouldn't find offensive if someone called me milky bar or whatever cos I am white, so what!!

The point is, just because you dont find it offensive, doesnt mean someone else will not.

It's the PC people pandering them that does it. It's similar to kids, when they fall and you shower them in hugs and kisses and they start crying, yet if you don't make a fuss out of it they carry on without a second thought, no tears and no fuss.


We are not kids!!

[Chantel]

Why would you call them a hobnob anyway :S

[Tom]

I would like a chocolate hobnob to dip into my 'tea without milk'

POINTLESS. Would anyone here be offended if someone called them a custard cream?

[Dr.Gonzo]

We are not kids!!

Never said you were. Read my post again if you don't understand it. And by saying this, I by no means mean that you won't understand it because you're black. I just mean read my post again.

[Beastie]

lol a chocolate hob nob is a bit random! I always thought if I was in the bb8 house I would say to charley "hello charley and the chocolate factory" but in a fun way.. mainly because her name is charley.. similar to "charlie" but then theres the "chocolate" part..

Yeah white people get called racists but black people have insulted white people?

ahh I dont know.. I dont know what is "crossing the line" but Im not racist anyway so im not worried.

However this has been a good intelligent read this thread.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It referred to Gordon Brown not wanting to reveal his fave chocolate biscuit. this show in question was a politics show and was making light of that fact.

[Beastie]

I think chocolate hob nobs taste better than the plain ones but I prefer other biscuits..

[Wildcat!]

Never said you were. Read my post again if you don't understand it. And by saying this, I by no means mean that you won't understand it because you're black. I just mean read my post again.

I understand your post perfectly well. My point was, that its not about people being offended, because hte PC world makes a big deal out of it, people are offended, because they are offended, plain and simple. And its weird to say, "youre not really offended. Youre just crying because its made a big deal of".

Thats why I said, we are not kids.

[Dr.Gonzo]

I think chocolate hob nobs taste better than the plain ones but I prefer other biscuits..

I prefer fruit and nut biscuits, but I have nothing against crazy people.

[Dr.Gonzo]

I understand your post perfectly well. My point was, that its not about people being offended, because hte PC world makes a big deal out of it, people are offended, because they are offended, plain and simple. And its weird to say, "youre not really offended. Youre just crying because its made a big deal of".

Thats why I said, we are not kids.

Well now you've gone and done it. I'm offended that you're offended about my joke that wasn't supposed to offend anyone.

/stalemate

[Niamh.]

I understand your post perfectly well. My point was, that its not about people being offended, because hte PC world makes a big deal out of it, people are offended, because they are offended, plain and simple. And its weird to say, "youre not really offended. Youre just crying because its made a big deal of".

Thats why I said, we are not kids.

Well, I've never called anyone black, white or purple any biscuit of any discription, I was simply saying I, personnally would not find it offensive if someone called me one and also how is being compared to a biscuit racist?

[Beastie]

I suppose if people feel offended then their feelings should be taken seriously first..

however the racist issue.. the main thing that pisses me off is why one rule for black people and yet the rules are stricter for white people..

times have changed since the 60's.. we live in a cosmopolitain country now.. there are more black people, people from difference backgrounds, countries, etc, with english not being the first language. I mean pretty soon, I bet in about 50 years time there will probably be as many black people in this country as white people!

Anyway the bottom line is, same rules should apply for both white and black people.

[Scarlett.]

Doesnt really bother me, I dont ever feel the need to call black people "chocolate hobnobs" anyway

[Wildcat!]

Let me just put my last point on this thread. You cant think for people. YOu cant say well you shouldnt be offended, because that wouldn't offend me.
Now I am black, and I say, that offends me. Take it how you will.
Accept the fact, and then act accordingly. One or the other. either Carry on making those remarks, because you dont care, which is fair enough. At least I respect people being real, and I would know what kind of person you are. Or stop doing it, because you realized, it offended someone. Plain, and simple.

[Tom]

Why does it offend you though? Would you get offended if someone called you a bourbon?

[Dr.Gonzo]

Let me just put my last point on this thread. You cant think for people. YOu cant say well you shouldnt be offended, because that wouldn't offend me.
Now I am black, and I say, that offends me. Take it how you will.
Accept the fact, and then act accordingly. One or the other. either Carry on making those remarks, because you dont care, which is fair enough. At least I respect people being real, and I would know what kind of person you are. Or stop doing it, because you realized, it offended someone. Plain, and simple.

Look, we all have our crosses to bare. The happiest we can ever expect to be is if we meet halfway. I'll try not to offend, if you try to understand that some things that do offend you are not meant to and are just sore subjects for you that not everyone knows about. Benefit of the doubt is needed. We all can't be perfect all of the time, and slack should be given in both directions for this to work.

[Crimson Dynamo]

or if you asked a homeless person of they wanted shortbread?

that could offend

[Beastie]

or if you asked a homeless person of they wanted shortbread?

That could offend

lol

[Niamh.]

Let me just put my last point on this thread. You cant think for people. YOu cant say well you shouldnt be offended, because that wouldn't offend me.
Now I am black, and I say, that offends me. Take it how you will.
Accept the fact, and then act accordingly. One or the other. either Carry on making those remarks, because you dont care, which is fair enough. At least I respect people being real, and I would know what kind of person you are. Or stop doing it, because you realized, it offended someone. Plain, and simple.

I understand what you're saying but at the same time If people were to stop saying anything that offended even one person then there would be nothing at all shown on the TV anymore. Nobody would be able to have debates here anymore because they always offend someone etc. etc.

[Wildcat!]

I just remembered something, so I thought I would share. When I first moved to the US, I was like 14. And where I am from in Senegal, people arent sel conscious about their weight. IN fact a lot of them enjoy being overweight.
BUt one day, this girl I use to hang out with, she is not fat or anything, as a matter of fact, I thought she was hot. Anyways, she was going to town eating some chips. SO I made the remark, "wow dude, slow down with them chips". ANd next thing I know, she is sobbing, being consoled by one of her friends, who knew me very well. And she let her know, I didnt mean it that way.
I had no idea what the hell I did wrong. BUt then the other girl told me, she is self conscious about her weight etc....
Ever since then, I have never made any kind of remark like that to anyone, even if its innocent, I am always aware of it, in the back of my head.

[Niamh.]

I just remembered something, so I thought I would share. When I first moved to the US, I was like 14. And where I am from in Senegal, people arent sel conscious about their weight. IN fact a lot of them enjoy being overweight.
BUt one day, this girl I use to hang out with, she is not fat or anything, as a matter of fact, I thought she was hot. Anyways, she was going to town eating some chips. SO I made the remark, "wow dude, slow down with them chips". ANd next thing I know, she is sobbing, being consoled by one of her friends, who knew me very well. And she let her know, I didnt mean it that way.
I had no idea what the hell I did wrong. BUt then the other girl told me, she is self conscious about her weight etc....
Ever since then, I have never made any kind of remark like that to anyone, even if its innocent, I am always aware of it, in the back of my head.

As I said I understand all that but some people are always going to find somethings offensive and others won't but we'd all have to pretty much shut up all of the time to make sure we don't ever offend anyone!

[Stephanie]

i want to be a biscuit wtf.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just remembered something, so I thought I would share. When I first moved to the US, I was like 14. And where I am from in Senegal, people arent sel conscious about their weight. IN fact a lot of them enjoy being overweight.
BUt one day, this girl I use to hang out with, she is not fat or anything, as a matter of fact, I thought she was hot. Anyways, she was going to town eating some chips. SO I made the remark, "wow dude, slow down with them chips". ANd next thing I know, she is sobbing, being consoled by one of her friends, who knew me very well. And she let her know, I didnt mean it that way.
I had no idea what the hell I did wrong. BUt then the other girl told me, she is self conscious about her weight etc....
Ever since then, I have never made any kind of remark like that to anyone, even if its innocent, I am always aware of it, in the back of my head.

I would be careful about changing your behaviour everytime you meet a weirdo.

dont go to Falkirk, for example

[Wildcat!]

I would be careful about changing your behaviour everytime you meet a weirdo.

dont go to Falkirk, for example


I didn't consider her a weirdo. I understoond perfectly why she was upset, after it was explained to me. Its just a different culture than what I was used to.

[Dr.Gonzo]

i want to be a biscuit wtf.

Rich Tea or Jammy Dodger?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I didn't consider her a weirdo. I understoond perfectly why she was upset, after it was explained to me. Its just a different culture than what I was used to.

what you said to her is not cultural. She has been poorly brought to think that being remotely called glutinous (even though she is clearly in her mind not so) is so bad as to render tears.

I would imagine she perhaps had underlying health issues but again it was nowt to do with what you said.

[Niamh.]

I didn't consider her a weirdo. I understoond perfectly why she was upset, after it was explained to me. Its just a different culture than what I was used to.

It's the same as making a comment about suicide and offending someone because their brother committed suicide, should we then never mention suicide?

Or making a comment about anorexia and offending someone cos their sister died of anorexia, should we then never mention anorexia?

[Shaun]

Why the hell would anyone call a black person a chocolate hobnob anyway?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why the hell would anyone call a black person a chocolate hobnob anyway?

read the article and all will be revealed

[Niamh.]

read the article and all will be revealed

I only glanced through it earlier but I read it properly there, how come no one said anything about him calling the white person a custard cream?????

[Crimson Dynamo]

I only glanced through it earlier but I read it properly there, how come no one said anything about him calling the white person a custard cream?????

especially as it is rhyming slang for a wet dream

[Niamh.]

especially as it is rhyming slang for a wet dream

lol, then it would be a compliment though hehe:joker:

[Tom]

I only glanced through it earlier but I read it properly there, how come no one said anything about him calling the white person a custard cream?????

you can't be racist to a white person in the eyes of the Daily Mail

[Niamh.]

you can't be racist to a white person in the eyes of the Daily Mail

That explains it then!

[Crimson Dynamo]

what is worse these days racism or homophobia?

As the uk population is around 1 % gay and 10 % not white I suspect that by being racist and not homophobic you are in danger or not persecuting a minority?

[Niamh.]

what is worse these days racism or homophobia?

As the uk population is around 1 % gay and 10 % not white I suspect that by being racist and not homophobic you are in danger or not persecuting a minority?

Being racist and being homophobic are both as bad as eachother imo

[Crimson Dynamo]

Being racist and being homophobic are both as bad as eachother imo

is there a league table?

what about disabled folks, they must be up there?

[Niamh.]

is there a league table?

what about disabled folks, they must be up there?

lol, I doubt there is a league table leather Trumpet but hating a person for the colour of their skin or who they choose to sleep with or for being disabled or all equally stupid reasons if you ask me!

[Crimson Dynamo]

is the fact that homophobia also covers lesbians as well sexist?

[Alf]

mmmmmmmmm biscotti

[Niamh.]

is the fact that homophobia also covers lesbians as well sexist?

Is the fact that female Doctors are also called Doctors sexist eh no. Lesbians are also called homosexual

[arista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223457/HobNobgate-This-really-takes-biscuit---BBC-thought-police-tried-cover-gentle-quip.html


fear of blame, fear of blame, fear of blame.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/28/article-1223457-06FC79C2000005DC-394_634x295.jpg


This is Not a Important at all
a late night show, that did this for PR.

His New Wig fits well
on Old Andrew.

[arista]

you can't be racist to a white person in the eyes of the Daily Mail


DJ Tom

This was also on Ch4 News today.


You lack understanding if you think it is just one paper.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is the fact that female Doctors are also called Doctors sexist eh no. Lesbians are also called homosexual

haha woman doctors

like that would happen

[Wildcat!]

Is the fact that female Doctors are also called Doctors sexist eh no. Lesbians are also called homosexual

Doctor is not a gender thing. Its a profession, just like engineer, lawyer, president, or prime minister.

[Niamh.]

Doctor is not a gender thing. Its a profession, just like engineer, lawyer, president, or prime minister.

My point was that homosexual is used for both male & female just like hetrosexual is

[Niamh.]

haha woman doctors

like that would happen

:joker:

[Scarlett.]

Doctor is not a gender thing. Its a profession, just like engineer, lawyer, president, or prime minister.
What about Nurses? Nurse traditionally means female, though there are millions of male nurses out there :3

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think we have now established that calling someone homophobic is actually sexist

[Mrluvaluva]

15 people with too much time on their hands.

[Tom]

Doctor is not a gender thing. Its a profession, just like engineer, lawyer, president, or prime minister.

It isn't always a profession, sometimes its when you've studied something up to a certain level and it becomes a title like Mr, Mrs etc. Plus female doctors are called Doctoress's

[Twilight]

I dont ever feel the need to call black people a "chocolate hobnob" anyway Lol.
But i find it annoying that If a black man Calls a white man "white trash" nothing gets said. Because imo racistism works both ways.

[Stephanie]

i'm going to call someone a chocolate hobnob now

[30stone]

Doesnt really bother me, I dont ever feel the need to call black people "chocolate hobnobs" anyway

LOL

Same, any type of race its not one of my usual ones..

[NettoSuperstar!]

Oh dear what world is it when we cant call a spade a spade?? we cant single out and ridicule people based on their race!?! Its PC gone mad!! (please note the heavy use of sarcasm in this post)

[NettoSuperstar!]

...and the same old loop arguments reappear! Fact is white people havent been adversly affected by discrimination and prejudice (being the majority group) in the real world so they are less likely to be offended by someone picking on them because of their race. If white people were a minority and people were constantly pointing out their colour it would soon become offensive, believe me!

[Crimson Dynamo]

...and the same old loop arguments reappear! Fact is white people havent been adversly affected by discrimination and prejudice (being the majority group) in the real world so they are less going to be offended by someone picking on them because of their race. If white people were a minority and people were constantly pointing out their colour it would soon become offensive, believe me!

for some reason the above statement, a simple truth, is one of the hardest things about race that people in the UK can grasp!:shocked:

[NettoSuperstar!]

for some reason the above statement, a simple truth, is one of the hardest things about race that people in the UK can grasp!:shocked:

U mean Cant grasp?

[Crimson Dynamo]

U mean Cant grasp?

both

some cant crasp the fact and also it is a hard one, it seems, to grasp as in it takes a long time to master

[Niamh.]

...and the same old loop arguments reappear! Fact is white people havent been adversly affected by discrimination and prejudice (being the majority group) in the real world so they are less likely to be offended by someone picking on them because of their race. If white people were a minority and people were constantly pointing out their colour it would soon become offensive, believe me!

I know what your saying Netto but in this case I don't think it should applie as in the same breathe the guy made a similar comment to the white person.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I know what your saying Netto but in this case I don't think it should applie as in the same breathe the guy made a similar comment to the white person.

Probably to cover up his huge gaffe! I dont think he intended to offend but I didnt see the comment...I just dont think its right to think its ok to go round calling people silly names based on the colour of their skin (without challenge) which people seem to think it is. And always comparing it to if someone is picked out cos of their white skin as if its the same when it isnt...I was really commenting on what the TIBB mob have said not the incident itself...breathe lol

[Niamh.]

Probably to cover up his huge gaffe! I dont think he intended to offend but I didnt see the comment...I just dont think its right to think its ok to go round calling people silly names based on the colour of their skin (without challenge) which people seem to think it is. And always comparing it to if someone is picked out cos of their white skin as if its the same when it isnt...I was really commenting on what the TIBB mob have said not the incident itself...breathe lol

lol, ok, point taken, I can only speak for myself here, the only time anyone ever commented on my skin colour was years ago when I was living in London. The area where I lived had mostly Indian/Pakistani people living in it and one night when I was walking home from the Tube station, a gang of fellas starting shouting at me to come over, I kept walking and they shouted out "Stupid ****ing White bitch", the stupid ****ing bitch bit bothered me cos I don't think I'm any of those thing but I am white so why would it bother me being called white?

[NettoSuperstar!]

lol, ok, point taken, I can only speak for myself here, the only time anyone ever commented on my skin colour was years ago when I was living in London. The area where I lived had mostly Indian/Pakistani people living in it and one night when I was walking home from the Tube station, a gang of fellas starting shouting at me to come over, I kept walking and they shouted out "Stupid ****ing White bitch", the stupid ****ing bitch bit bothered me cos I don't think I'm any of those thing but I am white so why would it bother me being called white?

Yeh but did the "white" bitch bother you really, or was it the fact they were a bunch of nob heads to you?

[Niamh.]

Yeh but did the "white" bitch bother you really, or was it the fact they were a bunch of nob heads to you?

As I said I am white so, no, being called white didn't bother me , though It was meant like I'm a stupid bitch because I'm white and yeah they definately were a bunch of knob heads!!

[Harry!]

Good program to watch
On Channel 4
How Racist Are You
On soon.

[Vicky.]

Tbh that article is proof(as if we needed any more) or the ridiculously PC world we live in now.

That comment was made about BOTH races, he made the same kind of joke about the white person AT THE SAME TIME. Not as an afterthought to try and sort his 'mistake' out, was in the same sentence for crying out loud.

''Here we have our very own chocolate HobNob and custard cream - Diane Abbott and Michael Portillo.''

Not like he said we have our very own chocolate biscuit...stops to think...Oh, AND custard cream.

Pathetic really that 15 people took time to complain over something so trivial.

[Wildcat!]

Oh dear what world is it when we cant call a spade a spade?? we cant single out and ridicule people based on their race!?! Its PC gone mad!! (please note the heavy use of sarcasm in this post)

...and the same old loop arguments reappear! Fact is white people havent been adversly affected by discrimination and prejudice (being the majority group) in the real world so they are less likely to be offended by someone picking on them because of their race. If white people were a minority and people were constantly pointing out their colour it would soon become offensive, believe me!


The wise one, has spoken again! :)

[Prole]

I'm sure Diane Abbott wasn't offended any more than Michael Portillo was. It was a light-hearted comment, not meant to be offensive. If it had been meant in an offensive way then it would have been different.

I find that it's mostly left-wing, middle-class, touchy-feely white people who get a bit hysterical and stir up a racial hornets' nests like this.

While we're talking about discrimination, I'd just like to mention the white lower-working class, or "unter-class" as they have been referred to in the press. They have no special funding, They have no 'inclusion centres' or a board set up to ensure they are not disciminated against and they do not benefit from positive discrimination. No one cares whether or not they are "under-represented" in a particular area of industry and the chattering classes do not get outraged on their behalf. And they are the people that the BNP are currently targetting for membership.

[BB_Eye]

Lets not jump to conclusions. The people who complained might very well have been black and who are we to decide what is and isn't offensive unless we genuinely know how it feels?

It's all too telling how affronted many white people feel at the suggestion that anything could be deemed racist or that racism even exists.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I'm sure Diane Abbott wasn't offended any more than Michael Portillo was. It was a light-hearted comment, not meant to be offensive. If it had been meant in an offensive way then it would have been different.

I find that it's mostly left-wing, middle-class, touchy-feely white people who get a bit hysterical and stir up a racial hornets' nests like this.

While we're talking about discrimination, I'd just like to mention the white lower-working class, or "unter-class" as they have been referred to in the press. They have no special funding, They have no 'inclusion centres' or a board set up to ensure they are not disciminated against and they do not benefit from positive discrimination. No one cares whether or not they are "under-represented" in a particular area of industry and the chattering classes do not get outraged on their behalf. And they are the people that the BNP are currently targetting for membership.

There are sure start centres in all local deprived areas, inclusion workers in schools/colleges and schemes designed to give people a better start and opportunities (things I never had and some of my family make the cast of Shameless look tame!), I think your right there should be more done but its not like they are overlooked completely and its not like there should be one without the other. This particular incident was a storm in a teacup Im sure but it amazes me how people jump to the conclusion that the world has gone PC mad, its not, and you cant say anything nowadays blah blah blah! A few people complained and its not worth even giving the story the time of day, its bull but the Mail love to pick the few incidents where they can try and prove that we've all gone pc mad!

[NettoSuperstar!]

The wise one, has spoken again! :)

I cringe sometimes mate!

[WOMBAI]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223457/HobNobgate-This-really-takes-biscuit---BBC-thought-police-tried-cover-gentle-quip.html


fear of blame, fear of blame, fear of blame.

What a strange thread - why would anyone want to call someone that anyway. It is just being provocative.

[Prole]

Lets not jump to conclusions. The people who complained might very well have been black and who are we to decide what is and isn't offensive unless we genuinely know how it feels?

It's all too telling how affronted many white people feel at the suggestion that anything could be deemed racist or that racism even exists.

Your own particular conclusion is that you know what race I am from my post, and that I have never been disciminated against.

[Jack_]

Um, I think I'm missing the point here.

Calling a black person a chocolate hobnob is exactly the same as calling them black. So i.e racist...am I not right?

[Dr.Gonzo]

Um, I think I'm missing the point here.

Calling a black person a chocolate hobnob is exactly the same as calling them black. So i.e racist...am I not right?

You just called them black. :conf:

Can you see it? At the beginning of your post?

Why is calling them black racist? They are black, or a shade or two lighter. I'm a white man. I work with a black man.

In perfect harmony :dance:

[Niamh.]

You just called them black. :conf:

Can you see it? At the beginning of your post?

Why is calling them black racist? They are black, or a shade or two lighter. I'm a white man. I work with a black man.

In perfect harmony :dance:

Exactely, why is calling a black person black racist??

[Dr.Gonzo]

Exactely, why is calling a black person black racist??


Because people don't think before they type. :spin:

[AfroMullet]

And by the way if someone ever called me that to my face, I would have to open up a can of whoop ass!!

For real.

I dont mind being called a "black man" in an non racist way for thats what i am, but i dont see why my race should define me.

And to the white people sayin there not offended by being called Whitey Etc, its because the history is different, over the years your acestors didnt expirience what ours did, so we have different mentalitys towards it, in my opinion.

[InOne]

Some African tribes sold their own off as slaves.

[AfroMullet]

Yeah the inbuilt greed and selfishness in all of us + Currancey = Disaster.

[InOne]

What is your view on Blacks calling eachother N-i-g-g-e-r?

[AfroMullet]

We say it all the time, seriously, i dont think if we're all together, a minute goes by without it being said. Sometimes a whole sentance can be replaced by "*****" and were all know what was meant, its like;

"Did you get her number?"
"*****............"

Meaning yes, its all in the tone.

White people cant say it though LOL.

[InOne]

We say it all the time, seriously, i dont think if we're all together, a minute goes by without it being said. Sometimes a whole sentance can be replaced by "*****" and were all know what was meant, its like;

"Did you get her number?"
"*****............"

Meaning yes, its all in the tone.

White people cant say it though LOL.

Eminem can ;)

[Braden]

oh god.

[AfroMullet]

No he cant LOL.

[InOne]

No he cant LOL.

Do you not think it is a dishonor to your ancestors that were called the N word then beaten to death?

[AfroMullet]

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Thats one way to look at it, another is to say we took the word and made it ours so you cant abuse us with it anymore, something like a "trophy" so to speak.

[WOMBAI]

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Thats one way to look at it, another is to say we took the word and made it ours so you cant abuse us with it anymore, something like a "trophy" so to speak.

Do we have to be subjected to his ugly mug every time we open a thread!

[30stone]

WoW.
So some old people complained about a show. As they always do.

Its typical of a show like this and its somthing being made of nothing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If only the people who complain would realise that real change starts with yourself

[Stu]

We say it all the time, seriously, i dont think if we're all together, a minute goes by without it being said. Sometimes a whole sentance can be replaced by "*****" and were all know what was meant, its like;

"Did you get her number?"
"*****............"

Meaning yes, its all in the tone.

White people cant say it though LOL.
Why not? I don't see the problem if they are using it in a joking, whimsical way like blacks do. After all, it WAS the blacks who 'brought it back' as it were and made it a cool, visible word to use. Then they get offended when anybody BUT them uses it?

EDITED

[Niamh.]

For real.

I dont mind being called a "black man" in an non racist way for thats what i am, but i dont see why my race should define me.

And to the white people sayin there not offended by being called Whitey Etc, its because the history is different, over the years your acestors didnt expirience what ours did, so we have different mentalitys towards it, in my opinion.

My ancestors may not have had problems over being white but they certainly did because they were Irish!!

[30stone]

why not? I don't see the problem if they are using it in a joking, whimsical way like blacks do. After all, it was the blacks who 'brought it back' as it were and made it a cool, visible word to use. Then they get offended when anybody but them uses it?

EDITED

lolol!!!!

[AfroMullet]

Why not? I don't see the problem if they are using it in a joking, whimsical way like blacks do. After all, it WAS the blacks who 'brought it back' as it were and made it a cool, visible word to use. Then they get offended when anybody BUT them uses it?

EDITED

See, now right there is the problem. There aint no "*******" here.

[Niamh.]

See, now right there is the problem. There aint no "*******" here.

I can honestly say I've never used that word to anyone ever!

[Dr.Gonzo]

I can honestly say I've never used that word to anyone ever!

Me too.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Why would you want to call a black person that in the first place is my question. I am sorry some of you that the world actually is intolerant of open racism, but you wil just have to deal, or just be openly racist, plain and simple. At least people will know what kind of person you are.

And by the way if someone ever called me that to my face, I would have to open up a can of whoop ass!!

Thank you. A lot of ignorance is being displayed in this thread. Sad.

[BBUK4LYFE]

For real.

I dont mind being called a "black man" in an non racist way for thats what i am, but i dont see why my race should define me.

And to the white people sayin there not offended by being called Whitey Etc, its because the history is different, over the years your acestors didnt expirience what ours did, so we have different mentalitys towards it, in my opinion.

Excellent post. :thumbs:

[BBUK4LYFE]

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What the ****?

[BBUK4LYFE]

See, now right there is the problem. There aint no "*******" here.

Whats so effing crazy is that a mod found that funny.

Again what the ****?

[AfroMullet]

For real, it should have been deleted...

[Jessica.]

My ancestors may not have had problems over being white but they certainly did because they were Irish!!

Agreed.

[BBUK4LYFE]

For real, it should have been deleted...
Thats why I love the internet. They wouldn't dare say anything like that in front of a black person's face in real life.

[30stone]

Thats why I love the internet. They wouldn't dare say anything like that in front of a black person's face in real life.

The funny thing is, i do, not often but sometimes. So do my friends, couple of black friends that have a laugh with it instead of calling eachother it and gettng pissed when we say it, they just have a laugh they know there is no hate in it.


Delted it for those who do find it offensive.

[InOne]

You call eachother ****** and all that, yet we are constantly are reminded of slavery and made to feel bad for something our ancestors did 100's of years ago.

[Niamh.]

You call eachother ****** and all that, yet we are constantly are reminded of slavery and made to feel bad for something our ancestors did 100's of years ago.

speak for yourself, my ancestors didn't have slaves!

[InOne]

speak for yourself, my ancestors didn't have slaves!

I'm talking about blacks lol and we probably should not get into the Irish and British history lol

[BBUK4LYFE]

You call eachother ****** and all that, yet we are constantly are reminded of slavery and made to feel bad for something our ancestors did 100's of years ago.

Who the **** says "******"?

Only racist people say "******". Get your facts straight.

[BBUK4LYFE]

The funny thing is, i do, not often but sometimes. So do my friends, couple of black friends that have a laugh with it instead of calling eachother it and gettng pissed when we say it, they just have a laugh they know there is no hate in it.


Delted it for those who do find it offensive.

Do you say "******" or "*****"?

[30stone]

Do you say "******" or "*****"?


I don't know there to be a clear difference lol?
But we say in jest usually with some humour to our voices.

they give as good back have a laugh insulting white people and that, its funny.

[InOne]

Who the **** says "******"?

Only racist people say "******". Get your facts straight.

Well it obviously depends on your accent too.

[BBUK4LYFE]

I don't know there to be a clear difference lol?

****** is a derogatory and racist word, no ifs or buts.

***** is mostly used in the same way that you would use the word "homie" or "bro".

You are definitely using the word "******", by the scenario that you give.

[30stone]

Not really as we are using it as a joke.
Friends have no problems at all with it though.
I dont see a problem with it.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Not really as we are using it as a joke.
Friends have no problems at all with it though.
I dont see a problem with it.

Yeah, I understand what you are saying.

[30stone]

Yeah like im not intending to be harmful to anyone or offend anyone, firends are cool with it, and obviously its not done in like a public place its done in one of my other mates house usually.

[Niamh.]

I'm talking about blacks lol and we probably should not get into the Irish and British history lol

That's a whole other kettle of fish lol:joker:

[AfroMullet]

I dont think white people should say "*****" and definatly not "******". White people shouldnt say it full stop, even as a joke, i dont see anything funny about it.

"If you let a whiteboy call you one then you's a dumb *****".

Only a house ***** would let a white person call them one and be fine with it/find it funny.

[arista]

I dont think white people should say "*****" and definatly not "******". White people shouldnt say it full stop, even as a joke, i dont see anything funny about it.

"If you let a whiteboy call you one then you's a dumb *****".

Only a house ***** would let a white person call them one and be fine with it/find it funny.


Us White Folks do not use the N.
word.


In America a few in Hollywood have and it destroyed their future.

Life In The Fast Lane

[Tom]

I dont think white people should say "*****" and definatly not "******". White people shouldnt say it full stop, even as a joke, i dont see anything funny about it.

"If you let a whiteboy call you one then you's a dumb *****".

Only a house ***** would let a white person call them one and be fine with it/find it funny.

Do you think black people should say it though? Otherwise its just double standards

[InOne]

Do you think black people should say it though? Otherwise its just double standards

Apparently it's ok for them, their 'trophy' as someone put it. It's like **** calling eachother ****'s (which they do) and if we say it, it's racist.

[AfroMullet]

Trophy was the wrong word to use, its like say your stabbing me, then i take the knife off you, i can stab who ever i want, but you cant stab me anymore....

Thats also a bad explanation, its hard to explain, but bottom line, we can say it, you cant.

[Tom]

Trophy was the wrong word to use, its like say your stabbing me, then i take the knife off you, i can stab who ever i want, but you cant stab me anymore....

Thats also a bad explanation, its hard to explain, but bottom line, we can say it, you cant.

Then ironically thats racist in itself. If skin colour isn't a problem, why is it one rule for one and another rule for others?

[Ninastar]

What is a hobnob anyway? It sounds awful. Who would even say it anyway? Espesially someone black?

[AfroMullet]

Then ironically thats racist in itself. If skin colour isn't a problem, why is it one rule for one and another rule for others?

We was slaves for 400 years. Your peoples got 400 years of free work, we got a word, you got the better deal out of this LOL.

Its the history, i dont expect you or any other white person to understand, you cant, its impossible.

[InOne]

We was slaves for 400 years. Your peoples got 400 years of free work, we got a word, you got the better deal out of this LOL.

Its the history, i dont expect you or any other white person to understand, you cant, its impossible.

You were never a slave, you don't know what it's like. So really, you can't understand either.

[InOne]

What is a hobnob anyway? It sounds awful. Who would even say it anyway? Espesially someone black?

http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/media/plainchochobnobs.jpg

[AfroMullet]

Obviously i wasnt, but thats still our ancestors, so theres still that connection.

Plus, even today, if you believe were equal, your crazy, racism and forms of slavery is still live.

Anyhow, this is going no where, lets leave it, im just going to end up disliking people. End of the day, in my opinion, if your white, and you say "******" or "*****", no matter the context, your racist, even if your not a hateful racist, your still racism.

[Tom]

We was slaves for 400 years. Your peoples got 400 years of free work, we got a word, you got the better deal out of this LOL.

Its the history, i dont expect you or any other white person to understand, you cant, its impossible.

So? You personally wasn't a slave. The bottom line is racism is discrimination against other groups of people. So why discriminate against another race by saying one race can use a word because they were associated more heavily with it? In theory, why is that any different to black people not being allowed to sit down on buses?

If the shoe was on the other foot it would definitely be racist.

[Tom]

Obviously i wasnt, but thats still our ancestors, so theres still that connection.

Plus, even today, if you believe were equal, your crazy, racism and forms of slavery is still live.

Anyhow, this is going no where, lets leave it, im just going to end up disliking people. End of the day, in my opinion, if your white, and you say "******" or "*****", no matter the context, your racist, even if your not a hateful racist, your still racism.

Right, so if racism is alive then surely you'd want it to stop, especially as a black person? So why are you racist, no matter what the context, for saying it if you're white when you can when you're black? If its all about equality then perhaps you should re-evaluate that. Is a white person racist for saying it in the EXACT same way and context as a black person?

[Ninastar]

http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/media/plainchochobnobs.jpg

Lmao oh right. Sorry but who would call someone a bisciut

[zotler.]

Maybe a little off topic, but there was something about this earlier on in the thread. But why do some men (in general) tend to say "I'm homophobic" and when asked "Why?" they answer "Well I find gay men disgusting.. But lesbians are hot" :|

[BBUK4LYFE]

I dont think white people should say "*****" and definatly not "******". White people shouldnt say it full stop, even as a joke, i dont see anything funny about it.

"If you let a whiteboy call you one then you's a dumb *****".

Only a house ***** would let a white person call them one and be fine with it/find it funny.
I agree.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Then ironically thats racist in itself. If skin colour isn't a problem, why is it one rule for one and another rule for others?
History shows that white people used the word to be hateful. Thats why its unacceptable for them to use it. Why would a white person want to use it anyway?

I don't think anyone should use any form of the N word anyway.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Us White Folks do not use the N.
word.

You are wrong. A lot of white people use the word. I'd even go as far and say that majority of them use all versions of N the word. Especially the people in the South. That area in the US is infested with racist people.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Trophy was the wrong word to use, its like say your stabbing me, then i take the knife off you, i can stab who ever i want, but you cant stab me anymore....

Thats also a bad explanation, its hard to explain, but bottom line, we can say it, you cant.

I know what you mean, its like reclaiming the word, its not gonna be the offensive term it was once used for, its yours not theirs...

[NettoSuperstar!]

So? You personally wasn't a slave. The bottom line is racism is discrimination against other groups of people. So why discriminate against another race by saying one race can use a word because they were associated more heavily with it? In theory, why is that any different to black people not being allowed to sit down on buses?

If the shoe was on the other foot it would definitely be racist.

Yeh but discrimination has a more powerful and detrimental affect when its minority groups that are being discriminated against and the word was used offensively by white people for a long time, why would any black person be comfortable with it now, its crazy to think they should be?

[setanta]

Yeh but discrimination has a more powerful and detrimental affect when its minority groups that are being discriminated against and the word was used offensively by white people for a long time, why would any black person be comfortable with it now, its crazy to think they should be?

Well said. This is a ridiculous thread to begin with, where certain peoples lack of understanding is so evident. That word has a weight of history and connotation associated with it that means it shouldn't be used by anyone else. I feel the same way about the word Paddy - to a lesser extent- as it was used to discriminate against us in our history, and would probably lose the head if it were used on me by anyone other than a fellow Irish person.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Yeh but discrimination has a more powerful and detrimental affect when its minority groups that are being discriminated against and the word was used offensively by white people for a long time, why would any black person be comfortable with it now, its crazy to think they should be?

It is an offensive word. And it is crazy to think that black people would be comfortable with it, let alone use it in each other's company.

[WOMBAI]

Maybe a little off topic, but there was something about this earlier on in the thread. But why do some men (in general) tend to say "I'm homophobic" and when asked "Why?" they answer "Well I find gay men disgusting.. But lesbians are hot" :|

Always thought that was pathetic - a complete cop-out!

[NettoSuperstar!]

It is an offensive word. And it is crazy to think that black people would be comfortable with it, let alone use it in each other's company.

Like the guy said hes claiming that word, its not a weapon for racists anymore, its his.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Well said. This is a ridiculous thread to begin with, where certain peoples lack of understanding is so evident. That word has a weight of history and connotation associated with it that means it shouldn't be used by anyone else. I feel the same way about the word Paddy - to a lesser extent- as it was used to discriminate against us in our history, and would probably lose the head if it were used on me by anyone other than a fellow Irish person.

Cheers man. The lack of understanding saddens me, why arent they teaching this **** in schools? I had the benefit of growing up in one of the most diverse cities in the UK, a family that taught me discrimination is wrong etc, not everyone has that. It should be a major part of the national curriculum from an early age.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Yeh but discrimination has a more powerful and detrimental affect when its minority groups that are being discriminated against and the word was used offensively by white people for a long time, why would any black person be comfortable with it now, its crazy to think they should be?

Great post.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Well said. This is a ridiculous thread to begin with, where certain peoples lack of understanding is so evident. That word has a weight of history and connotation associated with it that means it shouldn't be used by anyone else. I feel the same way about the word Paddy - to a lesser extent- as it was used to discriminate against us in our history, and would probably lose the head if it were used on me by anyone other than a fellow Irish person.
Excellent post. :thumbs:

[NettoSuperstar!]

:thumbs:Tanks

[Tom]

History shows that white people used the word to be hateful. Thats why its unacceptable for them to use it. Why would a white person want to use it anyway?

I don't think anyone should use any form of the N word anyway.

So why is it unacceptable for white people to use it, but to some people it is acceptable for black people to use it? Surely if it was that hateful they'd want to rid of the word completely?

Yeh but discrimination has a more powerful and detrimental affect when its minority groups that are being discriminated against and the word was used offensively by white people for a long time, why would any black person be comfortable with it now, its crazy to think they should be?

Whilst what you're saying is true, the point I'm trying to get across is a word is either offensive or it isn't. If certain groups can use a word, then why can't all groups? Black people forget about the historical context when they use it in a friendly way, so why is it double standards when they can't forget about historical context if a white person is to use it in a friendly way?

[NettoSuperstar!]

So why is it unacceptable for white people to use it, but to some people it is acceptable for black people to use it? Surely if it was that hateful they'd want to rid of the word completely?



Whilst what you're saying is true, the point I'm trying to get across is a word is either offensive or it isn't. If certain groups can use a word, then why can't all groups? Black people forget about the historical context when they use it in a friendly way, so why is it double standards when they can't forget about historical context if a white person is to use it in a friendly way?

Well because the groups using the word arent using it offensively for one and that they can be sure of. But its a difficult one to grasp I'll grant you that. I guess its like taking a word that caused offence and humiliation and turning it on its head, its fighting back and not letting it beat you. Its like if a gay guy calls another gay guy a big "****" in a jokey ironic way, its flippin the negative use of it and taking the hurt and offence out of it. I spose in a way we should be celebrating the fact that young white people see that word as a street term and dont really understand the offence it can cause, but that doesnt disregard it still does offend and I guess it'll be a long time before the negative associations are fully eradicated like

[AfroMullet]

Ayeeeee, NettoSuperstar! my new favourite member.

[Tom]

Well because the groups using the word arent using it offensively for one and that they can be sure of. But its a difficult one to grasp I'll grant you that. I guess its like taking a word that caused offence and humiliation and turning it on its head, its fighting back and not letting it beat you. Its like if a gay guy calls another gay guy a big "****" in a jokey ironic way, its flippin the negative use of it and taking the hurt and offence out of it. I spose in a way we should be celebrating the fact that young white people see that word as a street term and dont really understand the offence it can cause, but that doesnt disregard it still does offend and I guess it'll be a long time before the negative associations are fully eradicated like

But what if a white person isn't using it offensively?

[InOne]

St Netto only listens to herself. Dodges questions and the truth many times.

[Wildcat!]

Well because the groups using the word arent using it offensively for one and that they can be sure of. But its a difficult one to grasp I'll grant you that. I guess its like taking a word that caused offence and humiliation and turning it on its head, its fighting back and not letting it beat you. Its like if a gay guy calls another gay guy a big "****" in a jokey ironic way, its flippin the negative use of it and taking the hurt and offence out of it. I spose in a way we should be celebrating the fact that young white people see that word as a street term and dont really understand the offence it can cause, but that doesnt disregard it still does offend and I guess it'll be a long time before the negative associations are fully eradicated like


YOu will wxplain it over and over again, until red in the face. THose who insist on wanting to use the word, will pretend they dont understand what youre talking about (they understand perfectly well).
A racist, is a racist. Its the one kind of people, that you cannot change. They are who they are. Especially the adult once.
There is really no thousand way of saying the same thing over and over again. Thats why Ive given up. :)

[*mazedsalv**]

The world is complex, all need to be said. There is problems going round all the time.

If only this whole racism issue stops being an issue thats one less thing to worry about in the world.

Cant everyone go around being black or white and just be proud of it?
I for one would laugh at the fact at being called something to do with my skin colour (food wise), everyone should be allowed to take the mick out of themselves, but words that shouldnt be used are the normaly N word and all that.

A black mate called my white mate "White Trash" surely thats the same thing as a white person calling a black person the N word?

[Tom]

YOu will wxplain it over and over again, until red in the face. THose who insist on wanting to use the word, will pretend they dont understand what youre talking about (they understand perfectly well).
A racist, is a racist. Its the one kind of people, that you cannot change. They are who they are. Especially the adult once.
There is really no thousand way of saying the same thing over and over again. Thats why Ive given up. :)

I don't want to use the word, I can't stand it to the point where I won't even type it let alone say it, but I think its double standards if its fine for a black person to say it in a non-offensive way but if a white person uses it in the exact same context, they're racist. Its double standards and as I've already said, ironically racist.

If black people genuinely find it that offensive, then why is it acceptable to use it in a different form?

[BBUK4LYFE]

The world is complex, all need to be said. There is problems going round all the time.

If only this whole racism issue stops being an issue thats one less thing to worry about in the world.

Cant everyone go around being black or white and just be proud of it?
I for one would laugh at the fact at being called something to do with my skin colour (food wise), everyone should be allowed to take the mick out of themselves, but words that shouldnt be used are the normaly N word and all that.

A black mate called my white mate "White Trash" surely thats the same thing as a white person calling a black person the N word?

:sleep:

[BBUK4LYFE]

YOu will wxplain it over and over again, until red in the face. THose who insist on wanting to use the word, will pretend they dont understand what youre talking about (they understand perfectly well).
A racist, is a racist. Its the one kind of people, that you cannot change. They are who they are. Especially the adult once.
There is really no thousand way of saying the same thing over and over again. Thats why Ive given up. :)

Basically this.

[NettoSuperstar!]

St Netto only listens to herself. Dodges questions and the truth many times.

Nah thats your game mate, I speak the rational truth

[NettoSuperstar!]

YOu will wxplain it over and over again, until red in the face. THose who insist on wanting to use the word, will pretend they dont understand what youre talking about (they understand perfectly well).
A racist, is a racist. Its the one kind of people, that you cannot change. They are who they are. Especially the adult once.
There is really no thousand way of saying the same thing over and over again. Thats why Ive given up. :)

Yeh Im fast joining you mate! Still makes me sad everytime I read stuff tho

[InOne]

Nah thats your game mate, I speak the rational truth

I really don't think so. You seem to live in your own little bubble.

[Niamh.]

There's a big difference between calling someone a Chocolate Hobnob and calling someone a ******

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's a big difference between calling someone a Chocolate Hobnob and calling someone a ******

and there is a difference in intent and aim

[NettoSuperstar!]

I really don't think so. You seem to live in your own little bubble.

Well if you call rational, researched and thought through living in a bubble, then yeh I must be...as compared to the masses of sun educated insane

[InOne]

Well if you call rational, researched and thought through living in a bubble, then yeh I must be...as compared to the masses of sun educated insane

You are not rational though are you, you are very one sided and do not take into account other opinions.

[NettoSuperstar!]

You are not rational though are you, you are very one sided and do not take into account other opinions.

I dont take into account irrational, prejudiced opinions no

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Was the mp offeened by the remark?

[InOne]

I dont take into account irrational, prejudiced opinions no

You don't take into account ANY opinions apart from your own. You just think you're right and everyone else is wrong.

[NettoSuperstar!]

You don't take into account ANY opinions apart from your own. You just think you're right and everyone else is wrong.

No mate, I listen to people who are rational and thoughtful, even when I dont agree with everything they say. But when people are being irrational and their opinions are spreading hate and fear then I have no time for them no.

[InOne]

No mate, I listen to people who are rational and thoughtful, even when I dont agree with everything they say. But when people are being irrational and their opinions are spreading hate and fear then I have no time for them no.

How do I spread hate and fear? That is taking it a bit far. I have a problems with Religion, not the people. Yes the people make up the Religion and they will follow it but most are ok (yes, even muslims). I am not irrational, hateful or racist, but seems you have already made your mind up and I doubt it will change.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Well when I can be arsed I'll trawl through some of yours and trumpet dudes comments (among others) lol, theres been some corkers

[InOne]

Well when I can be arsed I'll trawl through some of yours and trumpet dudes comments (among others) lol, theres been some corkers

You don't have to go to the trouble for me dear. But if you really want to, go ahead.

[setanta]

You don't have to go to the trouble for me dear. But if you really want to, go ahead.

In all fairness though, you have come out with a few doozies in your time.... sometimes I don't know if they're genuine or just posted to illicit a strong reaction from others. It's fun, have to say that.

[InOne]

In all fairness though, you have come out with a few doozies in your time.... sometimes I don't know if they're genuine or just posted to illicit a strong reaction from others. It's fun, have to say that.

Probably, I do get a bit lairy, but I have not been racist. People seem to plant it on anyone too easily these days.

[BB_Eye]

The title of this thread is clearly intentional irony... I hope.